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On November 02 2012 23:21 Zealos wrote:

What?!?! Is this for real? You want all vt's to claim??
This is a seriously dodgy post lol.

On November 03 2012 15:40 DarthPunk wrote:
Welp. Muso got himself lynched by fake claiming for no fucking reason then playing dumb and then not playing dumb. All in all he played pretty dumb.

I am super hungover and TL went down Whilst I caught up. But I have a few reads.

Despite prplz looking scummy to many, It is my policy to judge replacement on their actions and not those of their predecessor. And prome has been very pro town IMO. Obviously I am worried as I heard that in his newbie scum game he looked very pro town also.

I am concerned at acro tunnelling prom despite prom looking very townie to me. And the fact that it is based on a few bad posts from prplz irks me.

My biggest scum reads from my cursory glance of the thread are Drazak and release. I plan to go into filters and take a look around presently.

If anyone has any questions for me or would like my perspective on anything feel free to ask. I currently don't have the grasp on this game that I would usually like so some discussion would be rewarding I feel.

OK that's it. Im going do more reading in between LOL games.

On November 03 2012 06:07 drazak wrote:
risk.nuke has not a lot to go on in his filter, and every single one of his comments is 1 line and most of them are fluffy. I think this is even worse than my posts have been. I find him 2nd scummiest after muso.

On November 03 2012 23:14 kushm4sta wrote:
@risk your entire filter is 1 liners, many of which are just general statements about the game of mafia.





Thanks for sharing your mafia aphorisms with us, but it's not really helpful.

On November 04 2012 01:27 drazak wrote:


I think Kush just didn't think Acro was town at the time, so he's like, "why the fuck are you fake claiming and then saying you fake claimed and then still claim town?" I think it was just incredulity. This just comes from watching a lot of kush's game though and knowing how his troll mind works.

On November 04 2012 01:36 Acrofales wrote:

I somehow doubt mafia will shoot you, but you never know. How about you give out some reads. You haven't given out any in like... 40 hours.

You were critical of prplhz before the crazyness happened, but never switched off Muso. You haven't given out reads on anybody else since. How about you start.

On November 03 2012 02:11 Promethelax wrote:
Muso: care to give us any history of your Mafia play ever or should I assume you are another 4f smurf(which is the assumption I am playing under)?

I think Muso is a bad lynch today but probably an excellent Vig shot. I hope the vig(s) are taking him into consideration. The reason I think he is a bad lynch is that he is too easy to jump on and Scum have a good way to hide their votes by sheeping all of town. I want a lynch that has some controversy so that everyone actually has to take a stand, without that we won't gain anything from d1. I want a case from every player in the game on someone before the lynch goes through.

Townies: get your opinions out there, with that the scum will not be able to hide in the shadows.

IN this vein I think that Matt is scum, he is playing in a way which obscures the goals of town and allows confusion into the thread. He is dropping his reads without iving any explanation and he is trying to get us to lynch Newbies for newbie mistakes. Scum.

## Vote: Matt

On November 04 2012 22:03 drazak wrote:
so... we've got an sk for sure? No way that was a vig shot or something?

Hey kush, why did you bluehunt so hard, I'm not cool with that.

On November 04 2012 21:54 Promethelax wrote:
Oh, Risk, do you really think that prp is that weak a scum player? Is he the sort of guy you see running away from pressure? That seems blatantly false, he is a good player and I don't see him doing that. If you don;t have some way to prove that he is a 'weak player' I will be moving you towards the scum side of the bracket for twisting information in an attempt to lynch me.

On November 04 2012 21:50 Promethelax wrote:


You were in LC too, remember how bad it was sitting there with one lynch candidate getting nowhere and having no one post reads or even participate? Yeah, me too. I wanted to make sure there was some discussion as I didn't get enough of a scum read off of Muso to be okay blindly lynching him. If I was scum I would have sheeped onto the easy lynch. Not fight it and push other candidates, even consolidating on another candidate to try to push the lynch to a guy who was way scummier than Muso.

I was aware that whatever Mus flipped it could be used to push me and the next lynch if he is red I was defending him and trying to keep one of/my scumbuddy from being lynched. If he was green I was trying to gain town cred. I'd have gone for the easy lynch.

You can vote me but when I flip green you'll have to notice that I was one of the most townie players in the game.

What have I claimed to be doing that isn't true? Please, show me where I have mislead anyone into thinking I have done more than I have.

On November 04 2012 22:12 Promethelax wrote:


weird. Never seen the connection. Mt first newbie two guys replaced out and both were townie, LC we had a 1-1 replacement. I have not seen this pattern.

Please post the reads you said you wouldn't post at night. Is your shoddy case on me all you've got?

On November 04 2012 22:30 Promethelax wrote:
Risk, Having your other, lesser, scum reads in the thread provides townies with something which they can hold you to. If you are town this doesn't affect you and if you are mafia it hinders you. Net gain for town. This isn't about what you will gain from it, it is about what town will gain.

Your case is shoddy though, it is based on
1) prp asking for a replacement
2) one post of mine which was in a huge pile which as a whole stated why I was opposed to one lynch and preferred another
and
3) twisting my words and actions.

You make muso being lynched a foregone conclusion and yet there was a part of the day where he had 6 votes, I had 3 and Draz had 3. That was not a 100% situation and during that time I tried to push people off of muso and onto Draz.

You make muso being lynched a foregone conclusion and yet there was a part of the day where he had 6 votes, I had 3 and Draz had 3. That was not a 100% situation and during that time I tried to push people off of muso and onto Draz.

On November 04 2012 23:00 DarthPunk wrote:


I am not bending your words. Get off your damn high horse. His 'god awful read that didn't make sense' is something you disagreed with. Reads are subjective. They are not objective. If they were they would be called mod confirmed alignments.

Having a read that you cannot fathom is not necessarily alignment indicative. And just because you feel (correctly or incorrectly) that your read on matt was so much more valid than others does not mean those with a conflicting view are scum.

If you think Prom is scum. There will be other things. And if there are I will view them on their merits. But a weird roleblock claim and a scum read on matt does not convince me.

On November 05 2012 21:45 drazak wrote:
Sorry, I was sick all weekend, what did you guys want me to do?

On November 06 2012 05:46 DarthPunk wrote:

I have not been Invisible. I am astounded I am being called a lurker by risk even though I have a larger filter than him. The fact of the matter is I am asleep Whilst you guys are around generally. Even now I had to get up early and set an alarm to be here before lynch. And the amount of content produced whilst I am away leaves me very little to work with when I am the only one in the thread. I have been staying up till past 1 am most nights to catxh people on US time. So I resent being called invisible whilst actually putting in effort to be around.

I have not been indesicive. Quiet the opposite. I have very firm opinions about things. I want to lynch draz. I don't want to lynch prome. I wanted to lynch release and now I don't. Hardly indesicive. IN fact a quick read of my filter would put that 'claim' to rest.

And I have not fucking sheeped. I made a case on draz which I feel is good. Hardly sheeping. I went against the prevailing sentiment of the thread and defended my strong town read. Not sheeping at all.


It is almost if you just pulled a list of generic scummy terms out of your arse even though they did not apply to me.

Also. I woke up early after going to bed late to be here for this deadline. So I resent people saying I have put little effort in.

Anyway. I am here. My case on draz has largely been ignored. I am willing to consolidate and not willing to no lynch. I don;t want to lynch prome but could lynch anyone else.

On November 06 2012 05:54 Acrofales wrote:

Yes.
And the improbability of a vig shooting Zealos.

On November 06 2012 06:00 Acrofales wrote:

I didn't have a scumread on him. That is actually a giant towntell on Zealos, as I mentioned in my nightpost. I needed more to get him out of null, but was hardly surprised by him flipping town (although I was surprised by him being killed. All he had in his filter was a wish for Prome and Kush to die).

On November 06 2012 06:05 Promethelax wrote:


He said that he does think it was Mafia KP. He thought that Matt was the SK.

On November 06 2012 06:10 Promethelax wrote:


What are your thoughts on today's lynch? Where will your vote be and why?

On November 06 2012 06:31 Promethelax wrote:


You (risk)
Me (prome)
Thrawn
Acro
DP
Kush
Draz

that is enough to lynch. Don't give up now.

On November 06 2012 06:43 mkfuba07 wrote:
I've been here the whole time. I take a while to read and write. Not sure if I've mentioned that

On November 06 2012 07:42 Hopeless1der wrote:
Well shit. Are people really just sheeping Acro's case or did the hatred for lurkers skyrocket after the way the day went? For the record, I was in meetings all afternoon. I also can't believe Prom just isn't running with this.

##Unvote
##Vote: No-Lynch

On November 07 2012 03:36 Promethelax wrote:
I see you got the same feeling from that question as I did Risk. God, that is what makes seeing you as scum so hard but you aren't really contributing. Can I expect a dawn post from you with reads in it?

On November 08 2012 03:27 kushm4sta wrote:
also i want prome and acro to claim

On November 08 2012 04:08 Acrofales wrote:
I'm still in the process of elimination, but my town list corresponds quite a bit to Kush's. I have Kush down as scum or town, unlikely SK.

In any case, I don't see how we can get around flipping Drazak. He has pretty much claimed scum. The few theories I have left for solving this game revolve around his flip. If he's goon or roleblocker, I feel Kush is town. If he flips framer, then Kush is a likely scum candidate. If he flips town then my world is rocked, but even then I feel town wins this game.

Oh, and fuck you risk: I don't claim to people I think have a good chance of being scum.

On November 08 2012 04:55 kushm4sta wrote:
Risk why dont you claim first if you want a massclaim

On November 08 2012 08:19 Acrofales wrote:
Yo Kush, what do you think of the newly claimed roles?

I have a sneaking suspicion it's Innocent Wabbit. It just feels more bugsy.

Yo risk, are you scum?

On November 08 2012 21:08 Acrofales wrote:

Just the general impression I get of Bugs' sense of humor after multiple games and conversations. Bugs likes a good troll. Making Innocent Wabbit a scum role is trolly.

I see you dodged the question, though...

On November 08 2012 21:33 risk.nuke wrote:

I'm not scum. You on the other hand probably are.

On November 08 2012 21:36 risk.nuke wrote:

SK, not mafia.

On November 09 2012 08:07 Acrofales wrote:
Yo risk, you here?

On November 09 2012 15:39 thrawn2112 wrote:
If I had to guess at an sk? idk, I haven't been thinking about setup stuff. The entire day of roleblocking speculation was extremely boring and I don't care about that part of the thread too much. Sk could probably be anyone I think is town. Once we have a smaller pool of players and more flips I think we'll have an easy job of sorting out what is going on with the night actions. If I had to guess... release maybe? (just because he claimed roleblock, and it would makes sense with how much guilt he's shown all game.) So... mafia if you aren't release, shoot release pls he's the sk i promise

/posting pants

On November 09 2012 19:17 DarthPunk wrote:


I find it interesting that as soon as a good deal of suspicion is levelled your way you suddenly are worried about whom the serial killer may be.

On November 10 2012 22:35 kushm4sta wrote:

Do you understand acro's logic case on why prome can't be scum?

On November 11 2012 00:19 risk.nuke wrote:

I've either missed it or misunderstood it. Please point it out to me. I'm home now btw. If there is a summary already about all acounted and claimed nightactions day 2 please let me know otherwise I'm going to try to puzzle it together now.

On November 10 2012 19:41 Promethelax wrote:
I was RB'd
Risk: your head is certainly on the chopping block today. Who do you think should be under the axe instead of you and why?

On November 11 2012 02:24 thrawn2112 wrote:


darthpunk claimed the d2 roleblock on kush

On November 11 2012 02:28 risk.nuke wrote:

what?

On November 11 2012 02:58 thrawn2112 wrote:


why couldn't it be mkfuba as mafia roleblocker? not sure how you're singling out dp over fuba

On November 11 2012 03:11 thrawn2112 wrote:
I still don't get it. Why couldn't I take that sentence and insert dp instead?

"Because darthpunk have been roleblocking at the same time as the scum roleblocker did making him the scum roleblocker an impossible scenario."

On November 11 2012 11:46 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah i'd like to know as well

@risk your best bet is to make a case on someone that doesn't include setup speculation. or if it does include setup speculation it better be a damning case.

On November 12 2012 00:36 DarthPunk wrote:

C9++

DDDD = 2 Doctors + 1-Shot Doctor
BB = Roleblocker + 1-Shot Roleblocker
C = 1-Shot Cop

This setup is a valid c9++ setup. We are using a modified version of this. That is all we know. We have no idea how it was modified. They may be a framers, Their may be an extra goon. There may be a scum roleblocker. I don't know. What I do know is that the claims we have are in line with C9++ and therefore I do not want to go around lynching every blue claim just for claiming blue.

There are other ways in which to find scum. Scum hunting for example. Something which you have done little of. All you have done is tunnelled prom for shit reasons for which I called you out on day one. And then burst into activity when you are set to be lynched.

There is a massive case on you which you have not adequately addressed. All you have done is speculated on the set-up in order to stave off your lynch.

I welcome a case against me that does not include set up speculation. But I feel that I deserve more than your rants that I must be fake claiming when that is clearly untrue. And a simple google search would have told you as much.

On November 20 2012 23:29 Acrofales wrote:

Well, that seems more the problem of Muso's claim, and town's unfamiliarity with his gambit in general than my counterclaim. Would you have killed muso at night if his claim had gone uncontested? Do you think we would have gotten a scumlynch D1, or a more informative wagon, if I had not counterclaimed? There was some suspicion on Drazak, but I feel scum could easily have pushed the D1 lynch to Release or Kush (although of course nobody knows what D1 would've looked like if I hadn't counterclaimed).

In other words: if nobody had contested the mason claim, would his gambit have had the desired effect? From your qt it is clear you didn't shoot Mattchew because you thought he was blue, but rather because you were afraid of a veteran player like him.

Which reminds me: risk, why did you shoot Zealos. It seems a strange choice for an SK to off. Were you worried about protection on the more vocal players? Or were you trying not to weaken town too much?