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On November 04 2012 02:01 risk.nuke wrote: I don't post that during night unless I think I'm going to die or is vastly dissatisfied with the town. Okay risk, it is day. Can you share your reads? Yes you can, come on now. | ||
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On November 04 2012 21:10 Acrofales wrote: You should probably bother to read the thread if you think that that is the reason I am voting for Prom. How many mafia are there? | ||
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On November 04 2012 21:18 Acrofales wrote: Matt for being a veteran and quite a few people having a green read on him.Zealos I am unsure about. Maybe someone got a whiff of blue on him. Your and risk's jailer theory makes sense. Zealos could have jailed me given his posting this game. He could also have jailed you, in the hope of preventing a mafia hit. Matt doesn't seem like he would rb either one of us, so that was probably scum whiffing blue, probably because of kush's inane mechanics posts. This follows my thoughts pretty closely. Care to respond to all of my posts directed at you over the last 24 hours ane tell me if you still think I'm scum and why you do or do not think that. I've been in this game longer than prp was now, include anything about my posts in your case. | ||
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On November 04 2012 21:22 kushm4sta wrote: you are Marvin acme vt? you didn't say role there. because that looks like a scum name. you aren't hearing my non flavor ideas because I don't have any. Not scum. | ||
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Acro: I ask again, how many mafia are there? Kush: go scum hunt. No more flavour for you. | ||
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On November 04 2012 21:31 Acrofales wrote: 2 or 3, see http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9++ We have any of the situations with 3 or less Ts: 1-shot rb means at least two Bs and I presume mdics became jailers in Bugs' setup. Two NKs adds either an SK or a vig, so that is the scenarios with 3 or less Ts. That also means: stop fucking claiming VT. so that two or three number seems a little vague. You seemed so confidant when you talked about my 'scumbuddy' (singular). Know something you aren't telling us? | ||
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On November 04 2012 21:42 risk.nuke wrote: Lets take a step back at day 1 before idiocy occurred. Prplhz Prplhz was almost set to be lynched and rightfully so. The pressure gets to much for him and he replaces out. Also a scumtrait any day of the weak. Promethelax Promethelax haven't done nearly as much as he is trying to take credit for. And while he claims to have pushed candidates. He's not pushed anyone with a chance of actually dying which to me is the same as nothing. The post I dislike the most. Situation: Muso is going to die, not lynching him would be amazing idiocy. In this post Prom tries to make himself look townie by being opposed to a townie-lynch (that will happen anyway). However that doesn't make any sense because the townie thing to do is to kill muso, So what prom is doing is superdumb or Scum trying to gain towncred by being opposed to a townie lynch that will happen anyway. Additionally he claims Mattchew is scum with the worst claimed read of the century. There is no way on heaven or earth I can believe that is his legit read. I don't buy his roleblock claim. I don't think scum would have roleblocked him and I don't Mattchew would use his 1-shot roleblock. I'm pretty sure we can't have another roleblocker because if I remember correctly another roleblock point would upgrade the 1-shot roleblocker to regular roleblocker. It's a very convenient claim that doesn't make sense. Alas I think he's lying his pants of. ##vote: Promethelax You were in LC too, remember how bad it was sitting there with one lynch candidate getting nowhere and having no one post reads or even participate? Yeah, me too. I wanted to make sure there was some discussion as I didn't get enough of a scum read off of Muso to be okay blindly lynching him. If I was scum I would have sheeped onto the easy lynch. Not fight it and push other candidates, even consolidating on another candidate to try to push the lynch to a guy who was way scummier than Muso. I was aware that whatever Mus flipped it could be used to push me and the next lynch if he is red I was defending him and trying to keep one of/my scumbuddy from being lynched. If he was green I was trying to gain town cred. I'd have gone for the easy lynch. You can vote me but when I flip green you'll have to notice that I was one of the most townie players in the game. What have I claimed to be doing that isn't true? Please, show me where I have mislead anyone into thinking I have done more than I have. | ||
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Also as much as Kussh needs to stop posting about flavour you need to stop posting about Kush posting about flavour. The whole second page of your filter is you telling him off. Give me some analysis and lay off the telling Kush what to do. That is a losing battle. pre-post edit: fuba, you'd do best looking at me and acro. We're probably the biggest conflict right now and I want everyone to have clearly stated reads on us both with some reasons so that no one can coast. Thank you. | ||
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How is it that you have such a town read on me when literally no one else in this game does (or has stated it). | ||
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On November 04 2012 22:05 drazak wrote: Prom, I said you were probably town. oh, I missed that. Fuck me then. Never mind DP. Who do you , Draz, think is scum and why? | ||
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On November 04 2012 22:09 risk.nuke wrote: We could have a vig, Zealos looks like a vig shot but it's unlikely since we already have two flipped blues. Scum does this so often it's bizarre. When I first started playing I thought replacements likely took over bored townies. The truth is the bored townies and even busy townies most often just lurk. Mafia who feel the pressure is to much or for another reason feel they aren't doing well feel they are letting their failing their team so they replace out. weird. Never seen the connection. Mt first newbie two guys replaced out and both were townie, LC we had a 1-1 replacement. I have not seen this pattern. Please post the reads you said you wouldn't post at night. Is your shoddy case on me all you've got? | ||
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On November 04 2012 22:20 risk.nuke wrote: You can't compare Muso with a week of confirmed mafia to lynch. But thanks for the comparison. Now you've admitted knowing killing Muso was the right thing to do. @DP: Bending my words is not wise with me, last warning you'll get. He didn't have a read I disagreed with. He had a godawful read that didn't make sense. I don't care if you were to dumb to see why Mattchew had acted distinctly townie. He wasn't your best scumread and you weren't calling him scum for incredibly poor reasons. If we had a dt check on prplhz you wouldn't just say. Oh well, new guy lets disregard it. His lynch felt the same way there was a role based reason so vote him (his claim) and everyone was on board. It was too easy, there was no counter wagon even though the guy counter claiming him was also fake claiming. That felt pretty fishy to me and worth trying to create an actual dichotomy in the voting. Since you seem to think that I am as dumb as a couple of rocks trying to fuck could you maybe give me some hints as to why Matt was 'obviously' townie. It wasn't obvious to me (though I think I'm 100% for reading Matt wrong in games with him, in MTG I thought he was town and in LC I was calling him out as scum; same thing here). Acro: why do you ignore everything directed from me to you? If you are town you lose out on making one of your scum reads have to be more involved in the thread. Just ignoring me gives me a good reason to get mad and stop trying to play and start getting emotional. If you are town there is nothing to lose from answering my questions instead of ignoring them. If I am town or if I am mafia a town you would do better for talking to me. | ||
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Your case is shoddy though, it is based on 1) prp asking for a replacement 2) one post of mine which was in a huge pile which as a whole stated why I was opposed to one lynch and preferred another and 3) twisting my words and actions. You make muso being lynched a foregone conclusion and yet there was a part of the day where he had 6 votes, I had 3 and Draz had 3. That was not a 100% situation and during that time I tried to push people off of muso and onto Draz. | ||
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Night/morning all. Talk to you when I wake up. The newbies in XXX are producing more content than we are. Hopeless this is looking at you/ | ||
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On November 04 2012 22:55 DarthPunk wrote: I am not buddying you. I know your town meta. And this game you are coming off strongly town to me. I am frankly astounded others can't/choose not to see it. I don;t give a fuck what you think of me to be honest. I don't want to mislynch. I think we will mislynch an active townie if we lynch you so i want to stop that. This feels a tad too defensive from DP. Can anyone who is better with reading emotions tell me if this feels forced to you? It does to me but I have never been able to successfully make a read based on that, some input would be nice. On Risk, Hopeless was saying that I was angry at him + Show Spoiler + On November 05 2012 01:33 Hopeless1der wrote: My activity is bad and I should feel bad. Reading Prom, Acro and risk.nuke's filters first, as they're being angry with one another. Additionally Hopeless: calling myself town isn't only part of my scum meta, it is also in my town meta. Go look at my other newbie game where I was green, I got mislynched because of calling myself town. Also, though this shouldn't convince you the way I am saying I am town is much different in this game. I know you've read XIX since you were in it. And I also know that because I am aware of this it doesn't do anything for me but what I was saying there was "I am town and..." what I am saying in this game is "I know my alignment and I know these other things, based on those things as a whole blah blah blah" I wasn't loving the release case until he proved his active lurking right there. That certainty brought him up the scum list. I'm going to think about this one some more. On November 05 2012 01:57 kushm4sta wrote: acro is really mason. prome is a power role. Those are my recent conclusions. Kush is mad at mafia and should feel bad, that is my recent conclusion. Bud, since you are as close to confirmed as we've got right now you need to pull it together. Giving out town/blue reads is the single worst thing you can do in this game. Get out, scum hunt and help us. You have the wonderful situation where you won't be pushed, now use that to help town. | ||
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On November 05 2012 04:47 Release wrote: Passive lurking. I didn't make posts, you knew i was lurking, i'll even state that: I was lurking. Are you trying to say that you were not active lurking? Even though you replied to that post in less than ten minutes when before that you hadn't posted in about 20 hours. That seems highly unlikely. Who do you feel is scummiest now? Still me? If so, why? and if not, why? | ||
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Sorry about my activity in the last few days, this is the busiest part of my week. between Release/Kush/Drax I'd still prefer a Draz lynch. I'm not lynching a green check in mylo. That is retarded. Release has been pouring his heart into the thread and while there are a few things I find scummy in his play (pushing a green check at mylo/making full connection theories based on no flips/active lurking). Does no one else think it is scummy that Acro referred to my singular 'scum buddy'? I keep going back to that and every time it reads as scummy to me. He is putting in the most effort of anyone in the game though. Which makes me hesitant to lynch him. Those who feel that me claiming RB'd is strange could you explain to me what I would gain as scum by doing that? There is no motivation I can see to claiming it as scum after two (2!) townie players with RB powers flipped. That probably means that one of them saw me as scum but it is always beneficial to town to have 100% of the information which is why I provided it. I see that fuba hasn't posted in ten hours after his "I'll be back in max four hours" post. Come post you reads man. You know better. Thrawn: who else we you considering checking and why did you settle on Kush? | ||
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Looking back at my history I finally found the game he was in with me, NMM XXIII, in that game (both iterations of it, one in which he was scum and the other he was town) he played an active and interested game. He says now that there are always people defending him based on his scummy meta but I don't find that to be accurate. In NMM XXIII he did not appear scummy and played as if he cared. His behavior this game has been totally different and anti-town, while I don't know if Kush, Draz or Release can play a better game I am confidant that Fuba can. I was planning on putting a pressure vote on him to post his reads when I last posted but edited it out before I posted becasue I didn't feel that there was a real case on him. Now that I have looked back at him I am placing a real vote, no pressure intended, just looking at scum. ## Vote: Fuba Along with the meta case I would like to provide a filter case: On November 02 2012 02:59 mkfuba07 wrote: Hi all! I forgot this was starting, and I just caught up. About Release: I don't think he's scum. He seems too involved and sincere to be scum. He might not say the best things at all times, but so far I have a slight town read on him. In any case, we seem to have moved passed him for the most part today. As for Muso and Acrofales... this is an awkward situation. If there's only one mason pair (which looks to be most likely), I'm inclined to believe Acrofales over Muso. I find it more likely that Muso fakeclaimed mason before there were any claims, than Acrofales fakeclaiming mason after there was already a claim. ##Vote Muso This is on page 11, where both Acro and Muso had claimed but well before we knew that either had fake claimed. What we see is that Fub is voting based on the fake claim of muso. As was everyone, note though that his reason is completely comprised of that one facet of muso's play. On November 02 2012 10:50 mkfuba07 wrote: 1) So your claim is that you were hoping the scum would assume you're telling the truth, and hoping the real masons, if they even existed, would know you're not a newbie scum. Even though you made it clear that you are a new player... What was your ultimate goal? 2) It's blatantly obvious why scum would claim mason (though risky in the event of another mason team actually existing). It's much less obvious why a townie would do so. I want to see what the "point of the gambit" was, but the way it stands, all you did is force one of our masons to claim. I... don't know what to think about this. It feels like a really noobish mistake that either town or scum could make. I see more motivation for scum, but for some reason I think he's more likely to be town... ##Unvote Muso I don't really know who I want to lynch after him, though. I'll give more thought to it when I get home later. And now that it is confirmed that Muso fake claimed (the reason that Fuba voted him) Fuba unvotes him. There is literally no reason for town to change their read at this point, nothing about the situation has changed in Fuba's mind. Muso had fake claimed when Fuba first posted and he had Fake claimed when Fuba next posted, how did this change from a scum read to a town read? And, to the sentence I highlighted we see that Fuba has left himself totally open to vote switch back onto Muso to make this mislynch happen. On November 03 2012 06:01 mkfuba07 wrote: What if Drazak is lying about his name now that you've made it clear that you think all VTs have non-character names? I'm TNT. See, I can do it too. + Show Spoiler + Yes, this is a lie. On November 03 2012 06:31 mkfuba07 wrote: Ah, I see... That makes sense. Thx kush and drazak. I'm feeling less and less sure of a drazak lynch since he's returned... And as much as I hate to admit it, kush's flavor theory is swaying me a bit. However, I don't know who I would vote for out of everyone else in the game. I think I'm being too liberal with town reads this game... In any case, it looks like muso is likely going to be lynched with or without me, and drazak is less and less likely to be lynched. ##Unvote ##Vote Muso Ahhh, yet another wishy-washy D1 vote for fuba... Your flavour theory is bunk and I am showing how bunk it is by saying that I am town. No, wait, I take it back, the lynch is close, haha lols totally swayed by it. Also don't mind how scummy I look, I always look scummy d1. ...sure. Fuba follows this up with an out for the rest of the day until the lynch On November 03 2012 06:32 mkfuba07 wrote: Also, I'm heading to a meeting now. I may be able to get on for 10 minutes or so before the lynch, but don't count on that too much. and after that gives a town read on a player who is under a lot of pressure and could easily be a vig shot that night (me), if you assume that I am town this looks weird. While I think that I have been playing townie the most vocal players in this game disagree. I have a hard time seeing fuba having his own very different read when he jumped into this game late (see his first post) and had to leave well before lynch (see the last post I quoted). He also manages to give a very light town read on prp's play in the same place he gives me a by before jumping thread. On November 03 2012 06:33 mkfuba07 wrote: I actually have town vibes from Prome. I also never felt too convinced of prplhz's scumminess. Really gotta go now~ I don't get how anyone did not see the scummyness in prp's play. As Marv said, in Your Clothes Give Them to Me, prp always seems scummy d1. Next we get Fuba's return to thread: On November 04 2012 22:01 mkfuba07 wrote: Hi all. I'm terrible at hopping back into the thread. Is there anything in particular that you'd like me to comment on? If not I'll probably end up solo-analyzing filters and talking myself in circles, which doesn't help anyone XD guys, I'm a newb, I'm bad, help me. Giving himself excuses and outs. This whole filter is scummy. After all this Fuba posts a whishy washy list in which everyone is called slightly town or he has a town read on, now though he agrees with Thrawn about Release. Remember when Fuba found Draz scummy enough to unvote Muso and vote draz? Yeah, neither does Fuba he hasn't managed to address his read on Draz again this cycle. Fuba is scum. TL:DR Fuba gives himself outs so that he doesn't have to post reads, unvotes Muso for the same reason he voted Muso and drops his scum read on Draz without any of his problems with Draz being addressed. Mkfuba is Scum and I will be voting for and pushing him today. Acro, since you are the only other active player I'd love your input (though I'm still not convinced that you are town). | ||
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