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vaderseven
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On October 20 2012 11:49 Hapahauli wrote: Any experience playing mafia beyond GSL I? Also, describe yourself so we may form a scumhunting team of super-friends! Also also, respond to mundane policy talk plz: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376602¤tpage=2#25 That goes for you too Kei =D I have played over 50 forum games of mafia over the past 10 years... on SomethingAwful.net, TL, solidstatesquad, aaroninjapan, ddrstl, and a few other places. I am pretty much the best mafia player to ever walk the planet minus my efforts in GSL I. Policy lynch for a hammer is so situational I don't understand why you would think its a good call from the get go to just declare it. I think a better idea is to make it clear that if you hammer someone you WILL be held responsible for doing so. A hammer is NOT just some other random vote. | ||
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vaderseven
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On TL, I have rolled scum 3 times. Two games ended in a draw. One game ended as a 3rd party Cult Victory (with me as a recruited cultist). That means I have the weirdness of having been scum 3 times, never having lost as scum, and never having won as scum. | ||
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On October 20 2012 10:09 DarthPunk wrote: Every scum is going to claim green. If I ask role instead of alignment he can't fake claim later. Really you stand by that? You don't care about the alignment someone claims (and why should you at this stage of day 1, it would be joke posts at best)... and you want to peg someone on either claiming their role or lieing about in thread. When asked to explain it you don't fall back on 'jokepost lol' and instead give us this line about setting someone up to be caught in a lie? I r confused. Thats like too scummy in a bad way to be possibly true. I have to write it off as just stupid. | ||
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On October 20 2012 12:21 DarthPunk wrote: It was some small amount of pressure early. No blue is going to claim. No scum is going to claim. Sounds like an amazing plan right there! | ||
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vaderseven
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Thats such a "duh" that I am pretty sure anyone trying to think about your statement would have come to that conclusion. | ||
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vaderseven
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+ Show Spoiler + AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH OMGOMGOMG MVP GOGOGOGO WIN IT FOR THE PROGAMERS. Life = Cheesier for sure. Everyone that is town should be rooting for mvp right now! | ||
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Reread me from any game on this forum and you will note huge day 1 waiting by me followed by a huge ramp up in eagerness to post. I always feel in the dark day 1 and the added info every day adds makes me confident in posting. I dont know what else you guys want me to add.... i dont believe in meta so i am not gonna be likehat guy posted this knd of joke so hes scum... t | ||
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On October 22 2012 11:00 iamperfection wrote: I cant believe if you have read the thread like you said you had you cant come up with anything besides draz a little scummy You now move from my scum category to super scum category. come back like hapa said with something or don't come back at all. You are grasping at straws. I read the thread on my phone and its day 1 and you think what I have posted the past like hour males me super scum? | ||
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Keirath- Very neutral or careful play. Somewhat defensive. Makes a solid lil case on zboson. Neutral to town read for now. Hapahauli- Dear lord hates lurkers ol. I dont like pushing so fast for a hammer... ill forgive that cuz of my obv involvement in that situation. Do stop thinking active=town and vice versa though. I have seen many town loses get attributed to that thinking. I like how you say your vote and threat towards me of hammer is more just to pressure to vote. Thats good play. Overall very neutral read. Btw, i do appoligize for having a few days o hellish work there but I am used to day 1 being a meh so I figured come in all guns firing next week... whatever. I like the no deadline for this speficic circumstance. More filter reading to come, gotta go on sales floor for a few hours first... be back in lime 2-4 hours. | ||
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gl town | ||
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vaderseven
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See you all in post game, was fun glgl DEAD POST | ||
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Sorry if it seemed like a ploy, but I can post circumstancial proof that I trully had a surprise like 2 days of WTF level at work. http://forum.solidstatesquad.com/index.php?showtopic=8059&viewmember=671&st=120 That's part of a filter in another forum mafia game I am playing in. Notice how I am super active... then have 0 posts Oct 20-22nd. That's cuz I directed every spare second of time I had on those games to this game (granted, I didn't have many spare seconds). Question @ Z-Boson: Did you hammer me in part out of a self preservation? I was thinking you were scum because I had dropped hints at a case I was making on pen/papper and getting ready to post when I got home to a comp and you hammered. I took that as a scum tell but, as has been suggested by others to me, it might be a town type self preservation motivation (self preservation is not a auto scum tell in other words). From the obs quick topic, shortly after I was lynched- My picks for most likely scum at top to most likely town at bottom: z-boson marvellosity (was kinda uncertain till his vote on me) Draz austin iamperfection Hapahauli Keirathi DarthPunk I feel like the scum team WAY overextended themselves when they voted for me. At the point where I was hammered, I became extremely confident that 2 out of Draz, Marv, Z-Boson were scum. I thought Draz and Marv were incredibly scummy in their behavior especially concerning my lynch and that the hammer by Z-Boson was just bad. Iamperfection played a fairly decent game as scum through day 1 but still had that vote on me which was just wasteful imo. Might be personal bias there though. As to the WHY I went inactive- Im a assitant manager at a very small retail store that normally has 5 total employees including me and my manager. 2 of our employees walked out because another was fired. We went from 5 down to 2 employees in a matter of about 2 minutes lol. The plus side is I now have so much overtime on my next paycheck that I dunno what to do with it. | ||
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vaderseven
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Something that reads like this: Day 1 has begun. With 22 players alive, it takes 12 votes to hammer and 8 votes to make someone a candidate for deadline lynch. Hammer Activation: 23 Hours, 45 Minutes (Thursday, September 27th at 11:59 PM Eastern) Deadline: 3 Days, 23 Hours, 45 Minutes (Sunday, September 30th at 11:59 PM Eastern) The way you did it can make for the game to lack that feeling of OMG we must get some shit done NOW. I do like how it makes each vote have a different weight though. Normal simple majority lynch makes it way to easy to hide in a bandwagon imo. | ||
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On October 25 2012 14:31 Hapahauli wrote: @ Prom Oh we had a long conversation over IRC about this an hour ago. Basically there were too many obvious townies. Drazak medic-slipped (like a baws), I was confirmed town, Austin was really strongly townie, and Kei probably as well. The only viable mislynch option that iamperfection had was DarthPunk... MAYBE Z-Boson, and DP was strongly town to everyone in the game pretty early. Z-Boson as well to several players. In addition, everyone was pretty much suspicious of iamp, and after his posting on page 53, I was going to insta-vote him if I survived the NK. Z-Boson should have been pushed by the scum team imo day 2. I think that TL mafia forum, because it normally doesn't use hammers, lacks the like horrified OMG (!!!!!) level reaction that a sub optimal hammer vote deserves. Take this game, if I was scum and Z-Boson hammered when I was claiming to have more to say about every player in the game... you should have let me say more and more so that my flip would provide way more inforamation about relationships between a scum player (me in this example) and the other players. If I was town, like I was, you should give a player more time to post information because he might have some eye opening case or fact to point out. You should also NEVER hammer in a game that lacks a deadline before the player in question is at least given a chance to claim. What if I had been the doctor and I had not claimed yet because the last time I looked at the thread I had only 3 votes on me. When I checked back later (only about 6 hours) I was dead. That is a very risky move there. 99% of the games I have played in use hammer + deadline and these things are accepted as like commandments. | ||
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On October 25 2012 14:42 Hapahauli wrote: ^ Yeah that probably would have been the best play in hindsight. Alot of it was marv just getting unlucky though - making a case on two blues. that after his approach to day 1 was a really tough spot to be in. I personally don't agree with the self hammer but I can also see the gambit that was being attempted. Just not something I would do or want a scum team mate to do. | ||
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I like the interplay of the 4 setups. Alot! I love the way the boxer role fits in. | ||
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vaderseven- I will eat both of my nuts on camera and post it on youtube if both scum weren't voting for me. | ||
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On October 25 2012 14:54 Hapahauli wrote: Oh huh that's a really interesting system v7. I'll have to give that a thought. I would insta /in any game on TL that used that system. I like the player skill level on TL but hate the standard rules here. One other rule I hate about big games on TL (didnt effect this game obv) is the scum kill point system. Everywhere else I play the scum get 1 kill per night. Thats it. Doesnt matter if its 22 player game with 5 scum or 7 player game with 2 scum or whatever. 1 scum team = 1 kill. It makes roles like SK more scarey or a 2nd night kill more a point of interest (was it a one time night action, is there a sk, is there a weirdness going on like a 2nd scum team, etc). It also makes it so that the game feels more stable from a VT perspective. /soapbox on mafia rules | ||
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vaderseven
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On October 25 2012 14:56 Hapahauli wrote: I think my balls dropped like 5 feet when marv self-hammered. I thought he just got sick of the game as town. Even had this fail-gif prepared: + Show Spoiler + Having played alot of hammer games, I knew exactly how marv was going to flip the second I saw it happen. Marv has played enough games to think of small advantages and there is small advantages to scum self hammer (stops conversation for 1) and huge disadvantages to town self hammer. You can make a very good argument that town self hammering is actually playing vs your win condition (especially with this setup of no deadline). | ||
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##vote VaderSeven Conversation helps no wolf. I think that sums that up hugely well. | ||
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On October 26 2012 06:28 Blazinghand wrote: In my experience in instant lynch games, scum typically try very hard to avoid being the hammering vote. They're usually in the middle of the wagon. Of course, as soon as I say that it becomes less true, but it still applies. Hammering is usually not something you want to do as scum. Even done well, you naturally stick out in people's minds as the hammerer. Just because a guy hammers a townie doesn't make him scum. A good and powerful scum move can be to be that leader that is discussing things and leading things. You can reach a point where its like close to deadline anyways and then drop the hammer in a way that seems to be agreed upon. At that point its just wifom to judge that hammer and you have to find other facts to support a case against that hammerer. @ Zbo- I understand the mindset you had when you hammered me, just realize that feeling inpatient in a game with no deadline might be a mind set that benefits scum way more than town. Hammer should make the town patient as fuck in all cases. Putting someone at -1 hammer can be dangerous even. The extreme case is when scum have a read or found a crumb and decide to sac a player to hammer a player that might be a power role. I also found it very scummy how you hammered me and made a very weak case around it. You would have been better off saying, "Fuck this guy, he has had enough time ##vote vaderseven." The way you did it seemed very contrived to me and because of that you became the #1 scum suspect on my list. Town players only hammer with strong good reasons. Hence why it can be so awesome if you are scum and you pull off a good hammer. Its like an amazing play to gain town cred... if you can pull it off. | ||
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