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@Djo
I find it odd that you suddenly find a reason for Sylver being killed and flipping blue so quickly. I believe this indicates that you were thinking about it beforehand.
It's also odd that specifically Sylver, the one who was tunneling you so hard late d1, is found dead.
On October 28 2012 09:31 Djodref wrote:
By the way, if mafia is blue sniping, I would think that they have nobody on their ass right now.
An attempt to divert attention away from yourself.
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I have a few minutes so here are my reads:
Djo is scum or SK - I am sure of it. I have little reason to vote anyone else at this point
Dandel is leaning scummy for me; he completely avoided one of my questions:
On October 27 2012 01:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@ Dandel
What's all this stuff about you being confused and unsure? Yeah, the thread is jampacked with goodies concerning multiple participants, but that's to be expected. Don't try to play the "confused" card. It's almost as bad as the "noobie-card"
I find this especially odd since you've advocated against using the noobie card, then proceed to use the confused card which is just as bad.
Rad is leaning town for me. Although that association case between me + Kush bore no merit at all.
Debears. Hard to tell. Pretty null, especially since we haven't heard from him in a while.
Nackhtogger. He's afk.
Roco. He's afk.
Inig. He has a few walls of text that are exactly that: Walls of text. A little scumhunting here or there but I don't see a reason that I should consider town as of yet.
Alsn. I see his case on Dandel. I agree that he looks fairly scummy at this point. But I'm sticking by my Djo lynch unless someone can seriously convince me otherwise.
I'm very interested in hearing from the two lurkers, Inig, and Debears on their thoughts on everyone including myself but especially Djo/Dandel.
To get this out of the way:
##Vote: Djodref
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On October 28 2012 23:57 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 23:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:I have a few minutes so here are my reads: Djo is scum or SK - I am sure of it. I have little reason to vote anyone else at this pointDandel is leaning scummy for me; he completely avoided one of my questions: On October 27 2012 01:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@ Dandel
What's all this stuff about you being confused and unsure? Yeah, the thread is jampacked with goodies concerning multiple participants, but that's to be expected. Don't try to play the "confused" card. It's almost as bad as the "noobie-card"
I find this especially odd since you've advocated against using the noobie card, then proceed to use the confused card which is just as bad. Rad is leaning town for me. Although that association case between me + Kush bore no merit at all. Debears. Hard to tell. Pretty null, especially since we haven't heard from him in a while. Nackhtogger. He's afk. Roco. He's afk. Inig. He has a few walls of text that are exactly that: Walls of text. A little scumhunting here or there but I don't see a reason that I should consider town as of yet. Alsn. I see his case on Dandel. I agree that he looks fairly scummy at this point. But I'm sticking by my Djo lynch unless someone can seriously convince me otherwise. I'm very interested in hearing from the two lurkers, Inig, and Debears on their thoughts on everyone including myself but especially Djo/Dandel. To get this out of the way: ##Vote: Djodref @ CheeseYou cannot accuse me of being an SK. Don't you remember that you have used my slip in your case against me ? I should have more information than you in this game. The SK had no access to the info that daoud was scum. You are going back on my scumlist, Mr.Cheese. Also I found it strange that you have made no comments on my defense against your case. You sure are not open to change your mind about me.
I have you pinned as scum right now. You are anything but town. In the off chance that you aren't scum, you are the SK. The word "Maybe" was in order in my post. That being said, I read your regards on my case on you; and I'll address them at a later time (preparing for hurricane Sandy here, east coast ftl).
@Dandel
You are completely cracking under pressure right now, and walking a fine line. I suggest you stop flaming and produce something coherent. A case on your best scum read, perhaps. You aren't doing anything constructive.
My vote is for Djodref, but if you continue this scummy behavior I'd consider switching it to you. As bad as I wan't Djo lynched, recent events are showing you as very red.
I really hope lurkers show up to provide some insight.
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On October 28 2012 10:15 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 08:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:MY OPINION ON DJODREF
A compilation of quotes, and reasons why I believe he is guilty By: Mr. Cheesecake _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ The Scumslip+ Show Spoiler +On October 25 2012 18:25 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 18:09 da0ud wrote:On October 25 2012 17:52 Djodref wrote:
I'm insisting on this because it was not my mentality at all at the beginning of NMMXVIII, you case see this in my quotes in debear previous posts. I want the "scared" newbies (like daoud) to boost their confidence and go scumhunt. I am not scared anymore... And I will hunt you down this time if I have to  daoudGood ! I'm not planning on defending you this game so I expect you to do your job as town What's your take on the Rad-debears argument by the way? Here is the infamous scumslip by Djo, he refers to Da0ud explicitly as town (who we now know IS town). There is little to say here: How does Djo know Da0ud is town? He doesn't even have a reason to think he's town. He even votes for Da0ud which I will address later. Furthermore, Djo provides us with the weakest defense for a scumslip ever: On October 25 2012 18:40 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 18:30 da0ud wrote:
EBWOP : How would you already know I am town ? I don't know already if you are town or not. I've spoken too fast because I was thinking of our last game where you were town. It was a slip, but not a scumslip Regarding Roco, I understand your hunch but he reminds me your first weird posts last game. He is suspicious but he doesn't deserve red bold font yet imo ^^ All he says is "Not a scumslip, please move along" and plays it off like no big deal with a characteristic smiley and ^^. This explanation is nowhere near adequate enough to address the issue.
Also I would like you to check my filter of my last game where I was mafia and find a slip in my filter. There is none because I have really paid attention to what I post. It's not the case in this game.“Are you Mafia?" Question+ Show Spoiler +On October 25 2012 18:31 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 17:57 Roco69 wrote:
@djodref
To keep it simple, "lurker policy on D1" seems to be a well known and basic strategy so I will do the exact opposite,=>so I will never be suspected.
@RocoI have more questions for you. Why do you want to never be suspected ? Are you mafia ? I first picked up on this in my original FoS post. Why would you ask someone explicitly if they are mafia? What is even the PURPOSE of this? Is he attempting to arouse suspicion for Roco? On October 26 2012 01:12 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2012 01:00 sylverfyre wrote:
And Djo, you claim "no i asked him two questions" when both questions are basically the same.
debears case against Rad is developing interestingly, but Rad has a point - why are you trying so hard to save the lurkers? @sylverI'm sorry but not wanting to look suspicious is totally natural from a townie, especially from a total newbie. Adding the second question was only to make him uncomfortable if he was mafia. How on God's green Earth would asking someone if they are mafia make them uncomfortable? All a scum player would need to rebuke it is: No. There is zero town motivation for asking someone if they are mafia.
Anyway, I wanted to pressure him, it was also sarcastic. Being called mafia in plain sight makes you feel uncomfortable regardless of how easy you can brush it off.His Questions about Inig+ Show Spoiler +It is obvious from the very beginning that Djo is suspicious of Ini. He asks everyone about what they think of him. Firstly: Why would Djo care what anyone else thinks? If his scum read were strong enough, he'd have the confidence (there's that word again...) to make a case without input from a third party. Secondly: He sometimes asks these questions in context of something else, as if to brush off some accusation against him. On October 25 2012 18:51 Djodref wrote:
@daoud
What do you think about Ini ? On October 25 2012 23:21 Djodref wrote:
@debears
If you are around, I would like to know what do you think about Inig first posts. On October 26 2012 01:21 Djodref wrote:
I don't think that debears is advocating chaos. In my point of view, he is certainly promoting discussion. We could as well being still discussing policy lynches if he wasn't here. And please remind that it's quite easy for mafia to avoid a policy lynch.
By the way, do you believe that we can lynch a scum on D1 ?
What do you think of Inig ? He throws out two questions, one of them being about inig. What does Inig have anything to do with the discussion at hand? The only reason I can see for it is an attempt to derail the thread into something about Inig. On October 26 2012 08:25 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2012 02:40 Alsn wrote:
My reasons for thinking Djodref is slightly scummy so far is that he is asking a lot of questions. That in itself isn't particularly scummy(in fact, done right it's pro-town as it pressures people into sharing their opinions and such).
The problem I have with it so far is that you keep asking people to answer you, yet your own statements so far amount to picking on the people who are being lurky(Ini, Roco) while at the same time criticising Rad for supporting lurker policy lynch?! This makes no sense to me. This in combination with the slip leads me to believe that you are trying to make yourself look good by being active. I can definitely see the possibility of there being town motivations for your actions so far, but I'd just like to point out that I have my eye on you.
So, with that in mind, FoS Djodref.
I'll see if I can't take a look at some of the other things said so far before I go to bed but if not, I'll do it first thing tomorrow as I will have a lot more time then. @AlsnI would expect more from you than an half-assed FoS on me 
What do you think about Inig ? He completely brushes off the FoS from Alsn and asks about Inig instead. On October 26 2012 10:15 Djodref wrote:
Honestly, I don't really care if Alsn has a FoS on me if it is for the reasons he has stated in his post. I know he is totally able to come at me with something more consistent if he really thinks I'm scum. Right now, I think his reasons are poor and I'm more interested in his opinion about Ini. AGAIN, brushing off the FoS from Alsn, in favor of pursing interests of Ini. These questions are nothing more than attempts to deflect discussion, away from him or otherwise, onto something else. On October 26 2012 01:31 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2012 01:24 debears wrote:On October 26 2012 01:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
@debears
You've used the word confidence an excessive amount of times. When someone mentioned day 1 policy lynches you immediately dismissed the idea. In fact, whenever anyone suggested something you turned it down, pushing your idea of "if you have a read, push it hard"
Policy lynching on day 1 exists for a reason. Lurkers hurt the town, whether they are mafia or town. If no one takes action mafia will win. Town needs to be organized and decisive, yet you are suggesting to basically follow your gut and push hard.
You follow that up by voting for Rad WAAAAAAY too early in the day.
You are advocating chaos.
If something is fishy, or a comment seems off, make a read or ask a question about it, but big bold statements like "be confident guys!!!" don't actually mean anything.
##FoS debears Do you see the contradiction in that statment clarity/ You want town to be decisive, yet when I am (by pursuing a scumread) you FOS me for it? Are you reading the damn thread? The confidence thing isn't my only contribution. Figure it out Ugh Djo Y u answering questions addressed to me??? I'm still feeling bad for tunneling until death last game I even didn't have the balls to state that I had changed my mind about you at the end. As I feel some townie vibes from you in this game, I thought I could at least defend you this one time. debears <3 This is an outright appeal to emotion. He's feeling bad about last game, sure. Why bring it up? It bears no significance to anything in the thread other than making us feel bad for him. He even gives Debears a <3... really? On October 27 2012 08:56 Djodref wrote:
## Vote daoud
Because his involvement in this game has not been great so far... Please note that this is the entire vote post. This is 100% completely contradictory to everything Djo has previously said / advocated about Inig. He had a case on Inig, he was always asking those questions about him. Inig was, apparently, his biggest scum read. Why the sudden 180 degree turn and vote for Da0ud? It makes no sense whatsoever, and his explanation for dropping the vote was "I'm really starting to doubt myself about Inig's case..." and his reason for voting Da0ud is: "his involvement hasn't been great." Hardly enough to justify a revote.
Regarding daoud, I did not want to lynch him. My vote on daoud was just to avoid a modkill...+ Show Spoiler +On October 27 2012 08:00 Djodref wrote:
@ Cheese
What the fuck are you doing with your vote still on my back ?
Come in the thread and choose who you want to lynch today between daoud and Ini. Tell us your reasons about it ! Here he advocates that I choose a side on the Da0ud-Inig debate, which I eventually did once I returned. Also: why is he so paranoid about my vote on him? On October 27 2012 17:53 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 08:20 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Okay I just got back, and will be here pre and post lynch.
My thoughts on the current state of affairs. It seems the lynch is in favor of Inig, but Da0ud following close behind. My vote on Djo is obviously not doing any good. I still consider him suspicious, and he is by no means off the hook. My efforts right now are better spent deciding who is a better lynch candidate: Da0ud or Inig.
/snip
@ CheeseAt this point, were you considering that daoud and Inig were better candidate than me ? You have been suspecting me for quite a long time D1 and you suddenly prefer to lynch daoud because some replacement came in and told you he was scummy ? You alsmost didn't consider him at all until that point yet you have no problem with lynching him instead of your top scumread (which was me) ? I'm pretty surprised that you didn't try to push my lynch. This post contradicts the previous. He explicitly TOLD me to weigh in on the debate and cast my vote for one of the others. Why the heck is he calling me out for it? Is this not what he asked for from me? On October 27 2012 23:19 Djodref wrote:
As you can see, I was a little more than your best scumread. Nevertheless, you gave little to no protest about lynching daoud or ini over me. Big scumtell in my book.
And here Djo is trying to further his case about my vote of Da0ud. There is a portion after the lynch where I try to explain to him that my biggest scumread was still on him. That pursuing his case at the time would have produced nothing; that I voted for Da0ud because he looked scummier than Inig; Check either of our filters about it. (page 38ish of the thread). He seems sour that I have a scumread / FoS on him and a vote most of the day. This entire ploy to discredit me is baseless, and likely an attempt to thwart my future attempts at scum hunting him. Admittedly some of it is defense, his filter is huge and he's talking on absolutely every page. The thread doesn't need to know every thought that pops in your head. A large majority is just casual conversation without his own input on certain subjects. Is this an attempt to bury logical arguements? He's trying to post a lot to seem like he's contributing, but I find most of his questions/concerns pointless. Take the "scumtell on Kush" post. I don't think anyone in the thread thought it was a scumtell, but he made a fuss over it. Look at who Djodref has suspicions (FoS's) on. Me and Sylverfyre. I oppose him, and Sylverfyre has tunneled him hard. His best scum reads are on people that find him highly suspicious! What does this say? He's scared. He's scared and replying by digging up any dirt he can on us.
After synthesizing all of what you have posted Djo, the jig is up. You are SCUM I'm going to start my day by addressing this case. First things first, even if your case is not bad, the conclusion is wrong. I'm town so I would like you to be as objective as possible when you read my answers. Please find my defense in bold font in the spoiler.
I find your points difficult to address, mainly because it's a case of opinion versus opinion. I think it was a scumslip, you say it's not. You say asking scum if they are mafia produces pressure, I don't think so. I still think that Debears thing was an appeal to emotion; but I suppose I can see where you're coming from on that point.
I really want other people to take a look at this case and speak their minds.
My big issue comes with the section "Djo's attempt to discredit me". You play it off as scumhunting. Perhaps. But I implore everyone: Look at the first and second posts in that section
First post: "Get your vote off me, and weigh in on Da0ud or Inig!"
Second post: "Why did you switch your vote? Suspicious."
First post: "What the hell are you doing with your vote still on me?
Second post: "Wow, I'm surprised you didn't push your case on me."
Everyone, look at those two posts and tell me it isn't the scummiest / most hypocritical thing you've ever seen.
Also, you fail to address my "final note" in which your only FoS's are on people who find you suspicious / were tunneling you. One person, of whom, is now dead.
I'm still pinning you as scum.
Dandel, at this point, is looking likely.
I'm also looking into some of Inig's posts: I'm finding that he's very "blendy" in this entire thread.
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Before I get into Inig's filter, I want to take the opportunity to mention that I might lose power due to the incoming storm. If this happens, I'll obviously not be able to post for a period of time. Last hurricane we had on the east coast (Irene) I lost power for a week. I think it might be a day or two this time.
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@ Dandel
On October 28 2012 23:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@ Dandel
What's all this stuff about you being confused and unsure? Yeah, the thread is jampacked with goodies concerning multiple participants, but that's to be expected. Don't try to play the "confused" card. It's almost as bad as the "noobie-card"
I also want an answer to this question you so conveniently avoided. Why playing the confused card? I thought you were against the noobie card, which is basically the same?
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@Rad
Your claim is interesting, and plausible. My only concern is that you could be SK claiming Vigi. However, I think your reasoning for shooting Kush makes sense considering your "double-FoS" on him.
I'm interested on what you have to say concerning my case on Djo / on Djo in general. Nobody else has given their strong thoughts on the Djodref case with the exception of himself.
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On October 29 2012 01:38 Djodref wrote:@ CheeseRegarding the part where I'm trying to discredit you. I just find it awkward that you are listening to you top scumread when he calls you to change your vote from him to choose between two other guys you haven't been looking into. I agree that I don't look consistent on this myself. Anyway, I understand that you have enough reasons to believe that I am scum. It's regrettable that you are wrong so I think that's the best for both of us is to not waste too much time on this. I'm very curious to see who is going to be your next target. Please surprise me Could I ask you what do you think of Nackht ?
In regards to the bold: I wasn't listening to you; I chose between Da0ud and Inig because it was the logical thing to do. I didn't see your post till after the lynch, and I found it extremely awkward about your contradiction at a later time.
You keep saying you're town, and I find it very difficult to believe. I'm sticking to my guns on this case, and I'm going to do my damnest to not let you slip away.
What do I think of Nackht? "Lol" That pretty much sums up the case I can put against him.
Dandel is leaning scummy but I'm interested to hear his defense. I'm concerned about Inig at this time because of Semi-lurking / Blending and I'm going to look into him further.
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When I made that post I was 95% sure you were scum, 5% SK. With the vig claim, I'm damn near 100% sure of you being scum.
"Maybe" = perhaps, having the slight possibility of being the SK
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Apologies for the discrepancy, I see how or implies 50-50. But my read on you has, and will remain, scum.
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On October 29 2012 02:09 Djodref wrote:
Off to bed
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Here's my promised snippet on Inig
One thing I find odd about Inig. Some of his posts are complete walls; walls of speculation and theory that don't really contribute. Look at this post:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 28 2012 02:48 Inigmaticalism wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 01:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On October 28 2012 01:02 Djodref wrote:On October 28 2012 00:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On October 28 2012 00:52 Djodref wrote:On October 27 2012 23:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On October 27 2012 23:23 Djodref wrote:On October 27 2012 21:52 kushm4sta wrote:
I know he's playing in the game and so am I... the game hasn't started yet though. He needed a fresh breath of pony mafia air because of the depressing shit that happened in this thread.
Djo I have not really put a lot of time into reading the thread and looking at filters, but my primary suspect just from preliminary observations is you.
I think your indecision at lynch time is a huge scumtell. It seems like you know that both of them were going to be town and wanted to gain town points by opposing both lynches. If you were town, and you really thought that none of them were scum, you would have tried to push someone who you actually thought was scum. But you did nothing except ask sylver endless questions with really no point to them. @ Kushscumslip much ? How is that a scumslip, Djo? @ Kush It seems like you know that both of them were going to be town and wanted to gain town points by opposing both lynches.You could have reproached to have known daoud's alignment. But it looks like that you know Ini's alignment. I think I see what you mean now, but he's explaining what he believes is your thought process / motivation, not his own. I can't really claim that to be a scumslip. @ Cheesetownie post: it seems like you knew that both of them would flip town and blabla scumslip post: It seems like you know that both of them were going to be town and blabla But I would agree that it is not a big scumtelll. @EveryoneWhat are your thoughts on this "scumtell". I really can't see it being one. To me (and from what I have actually read) this seems to be the biggest scum-slip so far in the game (regardless of whether it is or isnt). I think this because we do not know anyone's alignments, especially day 1, and kush assumes the case that djo knows I am town, and by doing so indirectly himself as well. And I just got done typing a wifom kind of argument that I love making so much so I deleted it. Granted I find it a bigger slip simply because I know I am town. I have already said how I thought that kush obviously knows what he was doing, and saying something like this from this type of player does not feel like an oversight, and despite me claiming and them having town reads on me you still wouldnt know for certain. This combined with these other cases being brought against him I feel all hold at least a little weight and have me feeling utterly wary of kush, especially his arrogant 'yeah, funny/dumb cases' as his defense. I would like more defenses with less mocking/anger in them, but if that if your playstyle so be it. -Also kush telling of debears talking in other threads and PMs and whatnot up-front seems to discredit debears and give kush credibility by being the 'good guy' and bringing info to the thread. It could be used in a case against debears, for example, but kush just puts it out there. I think the motive seems more about gaining more power and discrediting debears rather than really trying to inform the thread. I think town has very little to gain by knowing this knowledge because it can be taken out of context and any number of ways, and kiush should have just pmed host and be done with it. Now, it could have been a 'what if' or a 'next-step' mindset. Granted some reasons why kush could have had the mindset to say he knows and says djo knows Im town: Ive claimed, kush had town reads on me, djo had changed to more town reads on me, so the setting assumed I was town. The problem I have with calling it a true scum-slip is that kush is in the best position to get lynched because of the mislynch on da0ud, making arguments easier and seemingly hold more power. Added to the fact that my own scum-read wants to off kush now has me mimicking djos feelings on kush (see above post). I need moooooore from kush to solve this, and before I would vote for him. @Djo The longer time goes on, you are slowly losing town credibility with me. Your contribution is high, and frankly this is becoming your game because your posting like a 1/3+ of the posts lol (and have a 10 page filter). For simply this reason I want you still alive because you are so active. Ive liked your recent contributions though, so I just want more solid content from you, rather than being so all over the place. Thats the other thing. Because you are so 'everywhere' but havent ever had really strong opinions on things (besides me for most of day1) it makes your 'unsure trying to be safe townie' look change to a 'careful mafia' look the longer time goes on. Ignore the pokes at you that lack real substance and give us more cases to discuss rather than your play. Your case against me was good, it got me to shape up and post better. And I like this discussion between cheese if it will get deeper. @Mr cheese. Kinda the same read I have with djo. The longer time goes on the more it seems like you are being super neutral/safe. Nothing you post has an edge to it, which while it is a quality I admire, it makes it difficult to really confirm anything with you, which leads to greater suspicions. The only real scum-hunting cases you have had are against da0ud and djo. I thought your arguments against da0ud were good because they were true, da0ud was acting scummy. So dont feel bad about it, keep going on the case with djo and see it you can get anything new. I would really like more so I can solidify my ideas about djo.
I honestly find it difficult to comprehend everything he's saying in the first three paragraphs. It's a lot of speculation and "I think's" that don't reveal anything. He's not being strong in his wording. (I.E He is doing this, this is what's happening).The wall of text sure looks like he's contributing... The two @'s on the bottom reveal that he's null/town on me and null/scummy on Djo. Nothing really strong of opinion.
+ Show Spoiler +On October 28 2012 08:22 Inigmaticalism wrote:@Rad As I said I am utterly wary about kush. And I already posted about him posting about debears pm and about his town knowledge assumption. Here is what I learned reading kush's filter. Until the most recent posts where he has given short descriptions on multiple people, kush has been clear and focused. Case on da0ud, nothing else, takes a stance on me and consistently, in his own words "soft defends" me. And since then has appeared fairly helpful but has mostly been defending himself. This is interesting though. Day1 he explains he does not want to lynch Djo, even though he thinks he looks scummy, giving room to see what he will do (and prods Djo to do so). After Djo appears wishy-washy in the lynch Djo becomes kush's next top scum read. Logical follow-through. And then this and then another post right after Show nested quote +On October 28 2012 02:32 kushm4sta wrote:Djo is #1 acting like my lynch is a certainty when it's definitely not. I have a lot of time to show you guys I am town and I will. #2 Covering his ass if I get mislynched. Yet again. I already told you I will make the case on you at the end of n1. You can defend yourself d2. And you are telling vig to shoot me?? Seriously?? Because I pushed a mislynch d1.. lol that happens almost every game. And it was way better than you who was just liek damn guys I dont know who to lynch TT On October 28 2012 01:43 Djodref wrote:Also if anyone has some questions regarding my case, it might be a good time to discuss about it now So if you have some points against me that you feel that I didn't correctly addressed, I have a feeling that you guys are considering defense as important as scumhunting so I'm willing to defend myself as much as I can now. @ KushI'm not totally sold on you being scum right now: there is still a possibility for you to be town in my opinion. @ everyoneI would recommend everyone to be wary because it could be very easy for mafia to mislynch Kush right now if he is town. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. I was mafia in my last game and we benefited from the greatest mislynch ever on D2 because nobody took the time to think about the lynch twice. So once again focused. He says he will bring a case against Djo tonight, and I am interested in reading it combined with Mr CCs promised case. I thought kush was just throwing Djo out there but then found this last post I quoted. Conclusion: Kush is a strange new piece of food that Ive never tired before, and Im keeping it at arms length because I dont know if its poisonous or not. The only way to find out is to ask questions, but it seems kush it getting enough heat so Ill only join in if I find anything (besides what I have found) useful. It seems to me that if nothing drastic changes (day post doesnt change much, not really any new cases) kush will be lynched tomorrow based on the overall opinions in the thread. It is my goal for Day 2 to find at least 1 good scum case because I dont think a kush lynch is optimal right now because I feel I do not know enough, and frankly the recent cases against him arent very strong. spcifically @Rad: if you can explain what we could possibly gain from knowing kush was lying about not recognizing debears I would become more interested in the answer. Kush did pretty much talk to debears most on Day 1 after all.
This seems more like a summary of recent events than any real input whatsoever. All he says is: "I'm wary of him [Kush], but I do not know enough".
It could just be bad town play, but these posts, in addition to a lack of scumhunting, don't seem like an actual contribution at all.
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I misread both of the posts at first, not just the second one. He is very confusing in his reasons and wording much the same. As I said they were very wall-of-texty to me, almost to the point where I wanted to go TL;DR.
And me too, I really want him to come out of hiding and tell us his opinions on recent occurrences.
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@Debears
Why is my percentage post in a case about Djodref?
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On October 29 2012 03:51 debears wrote:Djo's approach on Dau0dDespite Djo's suspicions on Inig and Sylver, he ends up voting Dau0d. Why? Lets see Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 08:56 Djodref wrote:
## Vote daoud
Because his involvement in this game has not been great so far... Not the greatest reasoning. He does provide some reasoning right after though. Show nested quote +On October 27 2012 08:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On October 27 2012 08:46 debears wrote:
Bad word choice on my part. Bad = weak in my post.
And the same points on inig and dauod.
1) semi lurker
2) town reads/ percent town reads
3) generally blending in
Give me Allow me to ameliorate for you, sir. 1.) Inig was a semi lurker to begin with. As of late, he has been posting more and with greater content. Da0ud, on the other hand, has contributed much less and is still lurking. 2.) Let's look at both of their percentage town reads. Inigs:On October 26 2012 16:17 Inigmaticalism wrote:
I would label Djo as like 70% town. Hes been consistent and contributing. I think hes gone after me too long to be mafia. He has talked an awful lot though. Its probably more likely, with all his questions and style of scumhunting, thats hes a vigi or SK or something like that, seeing who he can get lynched (who he thinks is scum if hes vigi, etc), and then who he cant hes found his night targets. Just a thought.
Da0ud's:On October 26 2012 22:41 da0ud wrote:
Talking about smileyDjo he has put a lot of pressure on people. Asking open questions etc. For having played a game with him where he played to nice lovable newbie card, I believe he is trying to step up and actually be a leader for town. I put him 90% town.
Inig has more reason for considering Djo town, and puts it at 70% (leaning town). He says he's been consistent, obviously posting alot, and going after him of all people. He likes this, and even offers some counter-roles that he could be instead of mafia. Da0ud on the other hand only says "hey, he's asking questions, must be 90% (almost definitely town)" I find Da0uds reasons for thinking Djo town less plausible than Inigs, and he almost considers him town. 3.) Inig has been more distinguished in asking questions / contributing. His theory on Dandel is intriguing and unique, and something I may want to follow up on in the future. His vote of imcasey and Dandel is anything BUT blending in. Notice his reasoning. It's literally almost the same for Inig. Yet, he feels that Inig was "more distinguished in asking questions/contributing". I don't get it. Also, he didn't think Dau0d's meta was different than Dau0d's town game when he posted this earlier.
The second post is my post, not Djo's. Why is it in there? I'll gladly reiterate my reasoning behind my vote on Da0ud over Inig if you wish.
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@Debears
You say that "The Common Fallacy" of this game is that activity = town. Are you considering at least one of the lurkers to be mafia at this point? (Considering Inig to be a lurker, in this case)
Also, on an unrelated note, am I the only one that finds it ironic that the replacement of the lurker is also a lurker? Lurkception.
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I somewhat agree with that theory, and it's easy to confirm simply because he is not a consistent poster. It could be IRL issues (did he mention any? I can't recall) or, perhaps, active lurking? Is there anything to suggest that? I'll look more into it later.
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Hey guys, I just got back and reading over the thread. Seems like a lot of people are considering a Dandel lynch. At this point, with no defense from him, I'm definitely considering switching my vote. I really want to see if Dandel can provide an adequate explanation. That said, Djodref is still my top scum read until I can get a chance to read Dandel's eventual rebuttal.
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