EPTOn October 27 2012 09:10 kushm4sta wrote:
sighhh he should have claimed.
sighhh he should have claimed.
He wasn't around anyway to do so :/
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On October 27 2012 09:43 debears wrote: Very impressive guys We lynch the fucking jailkeeper, and all I see is "he should of claimed" and "hrm". What the hell? This isn't suspicious as hell. Inig was at the top of the vote column and then suddenly this dauod lynch gains momentum for reasons that differed slightly from Inig's case? Not only that, he wasn't there to defend himself and NO ONE ELSE WAS DEFENDING HIM FFS. How is that not a sign of town???? WHY THE FUCK WOULD MAFIA BUS SOMEONE LIKE HIM WHEN INIG WAS THE LEADING VOTE GETTER. Is it not telling how suddenly momentum on Dauod came about? Inig comes in and says some stuff and everyone goes "oh he's noob town obviously". Just awesome. double FOS Inig I'm going to fucking cool off so I don't shoot myself. I'll look over the thead and figure this out FOS anyone who voted for Inig I'm having trouble understanding what you're saying. Could you slow down and post more a little more coherently? | ||
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On October 27 2012 20:50 kushm4sta wrote: @djo america was still sleeping. chill out. ^ This On October 27 2012 17:53 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese At this point, were you considering that daoud and Inig were better candidate than me ? You have been suspecting me for quite a long time D1 and you suddenly prefer to lynch daoud because some replacement came in and told you he was scummy ? You alsmost didn't consider him at all until that point yet you have no problem with lynching him instead of your top scumread (which was me) ? I'm pretty surprised that you didn't try to push my lynch. Pushing your lynch at that point would have been wasted effort. It wasn't long before lynch when I got home, and I was the only one still with a vote on you. You even said so yourself. Everyone else was piled on top of Inig and Da0ud. I was put in a position where deciding whether Inig/Da0ud was the best candidate for lynch. I looked over both filters and some of the cases, and concluded that my scumread was way stronger on Da0ud than Inig. That being said, you were my best scum read at the time; but there was no chance of you being lynched. On October 27 2012 22:06 kushm4sta wrote: Someone give me a meta read on debears. Is he usually this angry and rambunctious? I don't know his meta but it seems kind of fake to me. And also his little stunt in the pony thread could be something to try to convince people following that thread that he is town. (I actually did this when I got mafia several games ago) @Kush In reading the last newbie game (You know the one), Debears was all over the place in terms of reads as a townie. Some players even thought that all of his different cases were an attempt to "derail the thread" and "promote chaos". In d1, I'd say that's fairly consistent with his meta. This recent nonsensical outburst, however, leaves me with some ill feelings. It seems uncharacteristic, but whether this comes as a response to genuine anger or not is unknown. I'm curious to see his explanation. In terms of the pony thread, I'd say leave it alone. It bears no effect on this game. | ||
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On October 27 2012 23:19 Djodref wrote: "That being said, you were my best scum read at the time; but there was no chance of you being lynched." @ Cheese Here is a quote from you. As you can see, I was a little more than your best scumread. Nevertheless, you gave little to no protest about lynching daoud or ini over me. Big scumtell in my book. Have a look at debears reactions when people started to vote daoud. He was trying to push his case until the end.This commitment is a big towntell. Where was your reaction when you came back to thhe tread and realized that a lynch on me was "not possible" ? No protest, no comments about other people being stupid or whatever, not trying to push my lynch. And you proceeding to compare the percentage daoud and Ini were giving for their townread on me to decide who to lynch between the two... do you have any comments to do on this ? FoS Cheese I appreciate your comment, Djodref. A lynch on you was "not possible" so close to the deadline when I returned (~45-30mins before lynch). I did want to get you lynched, but convincing everyone in such a time frame was not possible with everyone on Da0ud/inig. In my vote post of Da0ud I stated clearly that I still considered you highly suspicious, but I had to decide if Da0ud or Inig was a better case. What use is protesting everyone else, "calling them stupid" as you suggest, and pushing my case on you? That is simply advocating chaos in my book, and it's not my way of thinking; I will not flame the entire town for considering two other options than what I would rather pursue so close to deadline. My efforts were best spent deciding who was scummier. Pushing you till the end, and not weighing in on the debate at hand was illogical. This being said, you are still my biggest scumread and my FoS from d1 still applies to you. | ||
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How is that a scumslip, Djo? | ||
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On October 27 2012 23:57 debears wrote: Agreed. Guys listen to me and Kush on this one I'm very much inclined to agree on this point. Until we have a red flip, theorizing scumteams is pointless. | ||
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On October 28 2012 00:02 kushm4sta wrote: Also thanks for all your shitty suspicion.I hope it keeps me from getting nk. Didn't Kush make this exact statement in the previous newbie game where he was scum? Here it is: Oh, I found it. On September 28 2012 09:40 kushm4sta wrote: thank you now I won't be nk | ||
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I'll be honest, I don't like his play. I read somewhere that he had a "scummy meta", but it just seems arrogant to me. However, The FoS's against him are based heavily on meta in general and I find him difficult to read as of yet. @Debears On October 27 2012 23:55 debears wrote: Kush is attacking people who he wants to and selectively using meta when it furthers his agenda. That, my friends, is a scumtell. What exactly in your opinion is Kush's agenda right now? | ||
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But what exactly is he trying to accomplish if his agenda is mafia-orientated? Single people out? | ||
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On October 28 2012 00:34 debears wrote: Cheese, What kind of townie has an agenda? You don't know what anyone else is, so how can you plan to lynch people? How can you know who to push for sure? A towns course of action is to find and unveil the scummiest person--of course town cannot know for sure who to push. In terms of Kush, he is calling you out because he thinks you have conflicting meta. Are you saying it's scummy to do so? Perhaps I don't completely understand your FoS post about the entire meta arguement. | ||
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On October 28 2012 00:47 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese I think you should have made this kind of explanation at that time. Didn't you feel a little frustrated ? Of course I was frustrated. I come back to the thread and votes are stacked high on two other people. But is it really constructive to moan and groan about it? No. As I stated, energy was rather spent contributing to the lynch at hand. If you think crowding the thread with "My god people, why do we have these guys up for lynch?" is a better alternative, then you are sadly mistake. | ||
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On October 28 2012 00:52 Djodref wrote: @ Kush It seems like you know that both of them were going to be town and wanted to gain town points by opposing both lynches. You could have reproached to have known daoud's alignment. But it looks like that you know Ini's alignment. I think I see what you mean now, but he's explaining what he believes is your thought process / motivation, not his own. I can't really claim that to be a scumslip. | ||
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On October 28 2012 01:02 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese townie post: it seems like you knew that both of them would flip town and blabla scumslip post: It seems like you know that both of them were going to be town and blabla But I would agree that it is not a big scumtelll. @Everyone What are your thoughts on this "scumtell". I really can't see it being one. | ||
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On October 28 2012 01:55 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese Well, if you really think that the two other people are less worth a lynch than your top scumread (which what your case I think, given the poor interest you had in daoud before you decided to lynch him), I think it is your responsibility as town to stand up and push your lynch. I'm sorry but I'm thinking that you are the one mistaken here. No matter how late it is in the thread, you should try to push your top scumread. Otherwise, mafia is just going to push the townies everyday. You're kidding me. How would pushing my case on you with less than an hour to go result in getting you lynched? I would have to persuade, what, 6 people in that time frame? Many of who weren't there at the time. I would rather give my opinion on the two people that are dividing the town and ensure that the scummiest get lynched. In reference to the bold section, don't be a hypocrite. Your top scumread was Inig for the entiriety of d1, then out of nowhere you vote Da0ud, with little to no explanation. Also, who else would mafia push? Also, I'll be posting my case on you later, likely after daybreak. | ||
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On October 28 2012 04:30 Rad wrote: It WAS the sole reason. You wanted to obs, then you backed out because you wanted to get a chance to play with mr cheesecake. What would you say? Anything to make him talk. He was being hilarious pre-game and you wanted more, so you dropped obs for the CHANCE to play with him. Why have absolutely no communication with him when that's the main reason you're in this game? Could it be because you're talking to him behind the scenes? FoS Mr. Cheesecake Double FoS Kush Is this a scumteam association case based on pre-game banter? How does pre-game stuff have any relevance to this at all? | ||
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MY OPINION ON DJODREF A compilation of quotes, and reasons why I believe he is guilty By: Mr. Cheesecake _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ The Scumslip + Show Spoiler + On October 25 2012 18:25 Djodref wrote: Here is the infamous scumslip by Djo, he refers to Da0ud explicitly as town (who we now know IS town). There is little to say here: How does Djo know Da0ud is town? He doesn't even have a reason to think he's town. He even votes for Da0ud which I will address later.daoud Good ! I'm not planning on defending you this game so I expect you to do your job as town  What's your take on the Rad-debears argument by the way? Furthermore, Djo provides us with the weakest defense for a scumslip ever: On October 25 2012 18:40 Djodref wrote: I don't know already if you are town or not. I've spoken too fast because I was thinking of our last game where you were town. It was a slip, but not a scumslip Regarding Roco, I understand your hunch but he reminds me your first weird posts last game. He is suspicious but he doesn't deserve red bold font yet imo ^^ All he says is "Not a scumslip, please move along" and plays it off like no big deal with a characteristic smiley and ^^. This explanation is nowhere near adequate enough to address the issue. “Are you Mafia?" Question + Show Spoiler + On October 25 2012 18:31 Djodref wrote: @Roco I have more questions for you. Why do you want to never be suspected ? Are you mafia ? I first picked up on this in my original FoS post. Why would you ask someone explicitly if they are mafia? What is even the PURPOSE of this? Is he attempting to arouse suspicion for Roco? On October 26 2012 01:12 Djodref wrote: How on God's green Earth would asking someone if they are mafia make them uncomfortable? All a scum player would need to rebuke it is: No. There is zero town motivation for asking someone if they are mafia.@sylver I'm sorry but not wanting to look suspicious is totally natural from a townie, especially from a total newbie. Adding the second question was only to make him uncomfortable if he was mafia. His Questions about Inig + Show Spoiler + It is obvious from the very beginning that Djo is suspicious of Ini. He asks everyone about what they think of him. Firstly: Why would Djo care what anyone else thinks? If his scum read were strong enough, he'd have the confidence (there's that word again...) to make a case without input from a third party. Secondly: He sometimes asks these questions in context of something else, as if to brush off some accusation against him. On October 25 2012 18:51 Djodref wrote: @daoud What do you think about Ini ? On October 25 2012 23:21 Djodref wrote: @debears If you are around, I would like to know what do you think about Inig first posts. On October 26 2012 01:21 Djodref wrote: I don't think that debears is advocating chaos. In my point of view, he is certainly promoting discussion. We could as well being still discussing policy lynches if he wasn't here. And please remind that it's quite easy for mafia to avoid a policy lynch. By the way, do you believe that we can lynch a scum on D1 ? What do you think of Inig ? He throws out two questions, one of them being about inig. What does Inig have anything to do with the discussion at hand? The only reason I can see for it is an attempt to derail the thread into something about Inig. On October 26 2012 08:25 Djodref wrote: @Alsn I would expect more from you than an half-assed FoS on me  What do you think about Inig ? He completely brushes off the FoS from Alsn and asks about Inig instead. On October 26 2012 10:15 Djodref wrote: AGAIN, brushing off the FoS from Alsn, in favor of pursing interests of Ini.Honestly, I don't really care if Alsn has a FoS on me if it is for the reasons he has stated in his post. I know he is totally able to come at me with something more consistent if he really thinks I'm scum. Right now, I think his reasons are poor and I'm more interested in his opinion about Ini. These questions are nothing more than attempts to deflect discussion, away from him or otherwise, onto something else. An Appeal to Emotion + Show Spoiler + On October 26 2012 01:31 Djodref wrote: I'm still feeling bad for tunneling until death last game I even didn't have the balls to state that I had changed my mind about you at the end. As I feel some townie vibes from you in this game, I thought I could at least defend you this one time. debears <3 This is an outright appeal to emotion. He's feeling bad about last game, sure. Why bring it up? It bears no significance to anything in the thread other than making us feel bad for him. He even gives Debears a <3... really? 180 on Inig + Show Spoiler + On October 27 2012 08:56 Djodref wrote: Please note that this is the entire vote post.## Vote daoud Because his involvement in this game has not been great so far... This is 100% completely contradictory to everything Djo has previously said / advocated about Inig. He had a case on Inig, he was always asking those questions about him. Inig was, apparently, his biggest scum read. Why the sudden 180 degree turn and vote for Da0ud? It makes no sense whatsoever, and his explanation for dropping the vote was "I'm really starting to doubt myself about Inig's case..." and his reason for voting Da0ud is: "his involvement hasn't been great." Hardly enough to justify a revote. Djo's attempt to discredit me + Show Spoiler + On October 27 2012 08:00 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese What the fuck are you doing with your vote still on my back ? Come in the thread and choose who you want to lynch today between daoud and Ini. Tell us your reasons about it ! Here he advocates that I choose a side on the Da0ud-Inig debate, which I eventually did once I returned. Also: why is he so paranoid about my vote on him? On October 27 2012 17:53 Djodref wrote: @ Cheese At this point, were you considering that daoud and Inig were better candidate than me ? You have been suspecting me for quite a long time D1 and you suddenly prefer to lynch daoud because some replacement came in and told you he was scummy ? You alsmost didn't consider him at all until that point yet you have no problem with lynching him instead of your top scumread (which was me) ? I'm pretty surprised that you didn't try to push my lynch. This post contradicts the previous. He explicitly TOLD me to weigh in on the debate and cast my vote for one of the others. Why the heck is he calling me out for it? Is this not what he asked for from me? On October 27 2012 23:19 Djodref wrote: As you can see, I was a little more than your best scumread. Nevertheless, you gave little to no protest about lynching daoud or ini over me. Big scumtell in my book. And here Djo is trying to further his case about my vote of Da0ud. There is a portion after the lynch where I try to explain to him that my biggest scumread was still on him. That pursuing his case at the time would have produced nothing; that I voted for Da0ud because he looked scummier than Inig; Check either of our filters about it. (page 38ish of the thread). He seems sour that I have a scumread / FoS on him and a vote most of the day. This entire ploy to discredit me is baseless, and likely an attempt to thwart my future attempts at scum hunting him. General Thread Clutter (my opinion) + Show Spoiler + Admittedly some of it is defense, his filter is huge and he's talking on absolutely every page. The thread doesn't need to know every thought that pops in your head. A large majority is just casual conversation without his own input on certain subjects. Is this an attempt to bury logical arguements? He's trying to post a lot to seem like he's contributing, but I find most of his questions/concerns pointless. Take the "scumtell on Kush" post. I don't think anyone in the thread thought it was a scumtell, but he made a fuss over it. A Final Note + Show Spoiler + Look at who Djodref has suspicions (FoS's) on. Me and Sylverfyre. I oppose him, and Sylverfyre has tunneled him hard. His best scum reads are on people that find him highly suspicious! What does this say? He's scared. He's scared and replying by digging up any dirt he can on us. After synthesizing all of what you have posted Djo, the jig is up. You are SCUM | ||
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