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austinmcc
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On October 18 2012 03:37 thrawn2112 wrote: because I don't think that scum austin would defend scum da0 so hard @austin that is a very believable response Mostly because it's real... Un-theme the game. D1 those votes were useful as a tool we don't usually have in a normal game, they're EXTRA good if you put them to work. | ||
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austinmcc
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On October 18 2012 03:59 Mementoss wrote: @austin before you go put your list in the thread please. No one has any idea of your opinions basically other than me being scum That is untrue. I have opinions on da0ud and hopeless1der at least that are clear, I think i've been clear with my thoughts on HiroPro as well. I will do some listing, but ... the list is stupid. We need to lynch 1 scum. We win the game when we lynch scum, and we get NOTHING for putting everyone in order of towniest to scummiest. Look at what listing did earlier today, people are changing their lists, getting called out for changing lists, blah blah blah. The lists and how they change are easy pickings for the thread to get full of crap. Thrawn, I need to finish something up quick for work and then I'll post on djodref. | ||
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His D1 stuff on Hopeless1der and ON is kind of wonky. He wants ON to go through R2 against hiro, but Hopeless1der is Djodref's top scumread so he wants Hopeless1der to go through to R4 in the Hopeless/ON bracket. On October 12 2012 11:33 Djodref wrote: @Hopeless You are my top scumread at the moment so I want to go full force against you. As I might no be able to vote on the last round, I don't mind to spend all my votes on you this round. I'll come up with a case against within 10 hours. ON is a scummy lurker but, in my opinion, he is more lurky than scummy. And you are still scummier than him  However, his only previous comments on them don't exactly give me the feeling that hopeless is numbah wan scum:+ Show Spoiler + On October 12 2012 00:38 Djodref wrote: Day 1 Round 2 Preview Hopeless/Thrawn It's kind of night and day. Thrawn is active in the thread, gives good contributions and points out what is weird in other players posts. So far I have a slight town read on him. I would expect very good reasons for anyone wanting him to advance. Hopeless on the opposite has almost contributed nothing. He also seems strangely obsessed with people being around at deadline or not. Which is even stranger when you consider that it seems ok for him to unvote everything without warning just before the deadline. I'll develop later on Hopeless, hopefully with some insight from his side, but I would go as far as saying that he is my top scumread at the moment. Prediction: Hopeless advances to the Ro4 3-0 On October 12 2012 00:52 Djodref wrote: @Hopeless You are saying that crazy things happen during the few hours before the deadline yet you have removed your votes at the end of the round one. I find it paradoxal because, in my opinion, the way you can protect ourselves from crazy things to happen is too stick with our votes. Unvoting at last minute is giving more opportunity for MUs to be won be the dark horse. Last round, OriginalName could have reversed some MUs because you gave him room to do it. I can see town and mafia motivations for keeping 10 votes so I'll pass you that. I can see town and mafia motivations for knowing the schedule of the player so I'll pass you that. But I don't like the way you unvoted at all and I don't explain myself the aforementioned paradox. Could you please explain yourself? And last but not least, we don't have any trace of your voting intentions in the recap at the end of the round. It really looks like you don't want to play cards on the table. On October 12 2012 10:56 Djodref wrote: Just a quick post about the people who are going to advance:
It's not scummy in and of itself...but given that the hopeless/ON matchup is something I want to keep at the front of my head, the fact that it doesn't quite seem like hopeless, based on those comments, would be a #1 scumread, gives a bad vibe. However, he drops a case 7 hours later explaining himself a little further. His reaction to an ON/Sandroba finals, and Hopeless being saved + not voting Djodref is...odd? + Show Spoiler + On October 13 2012 12:53 Djodref wrote: Morning everybody ! I'm just waking up and I have a serious hangover right now. Reading the thread has made my head exploding even more... I didn't expect this at all. I was thinking that Hopeless was going to OMGus vote me and that I would end up in the final (that was another reason for me to spend all my votes at this time but I didn't want to say it at that time). @Hopeless Why are you doing this to me ? I'm going to lose my sanity sailing the dark seas of the WIFOM again... Seriously, if you are town, you are just confusing everybody with your "plan" I need more time to process everything. I'll be around for a while and I'll give my thoughts about today's lynch and hopefully more. On October 13 2012 15:09 Djodref wrote: First of all, I'm disappointed that Hopeless did not advance to the final. Right now, I would like him to be lynched, at least for the confusion he is putting me through. Unfortunately, this is not going to happen today... I want him to flip so I definitively know if he is town or scum because it is going to bother me for a while. Last game I've been through a lot of WIFOM shit (thank you Kush by the way) and the result was me tunneling the town MVP for almost all game. I don't want this to happen again and I'll try to look for other players for a while. Hopeless explanations make me seriously doubting on my case against him (plus I've said myself that obvious scum is usually town, it might apply here again) but I cannot see him as town yet. Hopeless, I got my eyes on you <3 ! But whatever. So far that's just weird stuff, not quite scummy. His later explanation is again WEIRD but not SCUMMY. + Show Spoiler + On October 15 2012 12:04 Djodref wrote: Ok, I've just caught up with the thread now. First of all, I would like to address your concerns regarding my votes again Hopeless at round 3, when ON was facing him. I understand that they put me at a bad position right now. At the time when I've have dumped all my votes on him, I was pretty sure he was a mafia player. In my eyes, he was the scummiest but we didn't know yet that he was playing that way on purpose (regardless of his possible alignment). As I explained earlier, I was expecting him to dump all his 9 votes on me in response (in a total mafia OMGUS way) so I believed the chances were very high to have a Hopeless/Djodref final. I thought the mafia would take this final because I don't look so good and it's easier to push a mislynch on a newbie. I was all-in and I wanted Hopeless to be lynched even if it was by risking me to be in the final. So I went out quite satisfied with my move but when I finally emerged from my drunken sleep, I was very surprised to read Hopeless answer to my case. I would have expect anything but him giving me a town read. I've spent a lot of time thinking why a scum Hopeless would do that. Before going totally nuts, I've decided to stop WIFOMing myself and to reserve my judgement for later. I'm at work right now and I don't have time to elaborate so much but I would prefer prplhz to explode with the Hot Potatoe today. I was already suspicious of prplhz before all the Sandroba vote thing but it strongly confirms it. I'm not totally sold on Daoud yet. I've had a newb townie read on him until R3. His defense is very bad but he has been consistent with his read on Sandroba. Also I don't see his last scummate (prplhz?) let him post or vote like he did. Like ... that's my D1 read on him. He started off scummy to me because of...him accusing hiropro and someone else. I wrote about it, I voted him in the R1 matchup, etc. But all this stuff was just kind of odd. When I look his filter over, I notice...a lot of nothing? He talks a lot about hopeless, a lot about da0ud, and when he needs to have a scumread he has one. He'll explain scumreads somewhat, but he doesn't feel all that ENGAGED in scumhunting. Prplhz might be scum for this, hiropro might be scum for this, done. Back to just commenting on things, never really PUSHING. Back to giving advice to da0ud, not PUSHING his scumreads. But he does return to them, give more thoughts on why prplhz is scum, give thoughts on hiro/mementoss not posting enough, discuss how he reads ET and I, blah blah blah. There's almost a dichotomy in his filter. There are big posts with reads, and he spells out more or less why he has them. Then there are some one-liner-y answers to people, questions to people, etc. When I make that comment, I pause, because I feel like that's something that SHOULD be scummy. It should say "This guy isn't scumhunting, he just makes a reads post once in a while, and him making reads is a different style of post than the rest of his posting --> i.e. he's playing the game in some posts, and posting reads in others." But it doesn't. I have a gut read on that as town and I don't really know why. Overall...I'm mildly townie on him. Gut read. I don't know why I dropped the scumread on his first post, exactly. I don't know why I'm not reading what feels like two different djodrefs (the guy who is usually posting and the guy who is giving out reads) as not scummy. But I'm not. I don't know why I'm not reading the votes on hopeless in R3 as not super scummy, because out of all the voting stuff D1, the matchup that most likely dropped scum in our laps is that hopeless/ON matchup (Note: Again, mementoss said he'd put votes on hopeless, but wasn't going to because hopeless was winning). | ||
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austinmcc
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1. Mementoss 2-7. Dudes 8. Me Thinking over mementoss's recent posts. Will reread games where I've accused him as town, as well as his scum games. If nobody is really screaming scum, then it feels likely likely that either Djoref or kush is scum for the R3 votes on hopeless1der vs. ON. Again though, mementoss fits the bill there because he says he would drop votes except the matchup's already going the way he wants it to. Not scummy on da0ud today. But he needs to keep contributing. Either there will be helpful stuff there OR he'll slip up. HiroPro replacing out leaves me with him feeling townie early on, and I'm interested in seeing what a fresh pair of eyes does with the thread. Still believe we have night actors. No way are kita/jingle being super sneaky in constantly saying "actionS" and "all actions" if nobody is taking night actions. Stay hidden. | ||
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On October 18 2012 05:54 Hopeless1der wrote: da0ud did the same thing mmt did with the R3 votes, and the way he did it seemed far more scummy to me. For the record I haven't given your most recent case on MMT a proper read and probably wont until I get home from work...so not until 4-6ish hours from now. da0ud's just not on my list of suspects right now. | ||
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On October 18 2012 06:00 kushm4sta wrote: @austin What would they say if there was only 1 night action? "Send your night action?" They are trying to not give it away. Your read on memetoss is suffering from serious confirmation bias. It's not right that you only have 1 real scum read, and then me and djo for some votes r3 d1. In other news, you are looking scummier and scummier: You admit to thinking memetoss is scum in EVERY game you play with him, yet you don't even consider the possibility this game that you are wrong about him. Well you consider it, perhaps, but not enough for you to have other scumreads. I would think as town you would realize your inherent confirmation bias on memetoss and move on to other suspects. @town Does austin usually tunnel this hard? He wasn't doing this in liquid city. @austin why are you even bringing up power roles again? I did not think mementoss was scum in Liquid City. I did not think mementoss was scum in Aperture 2 (Or, to be more specific, I would not have thought so IF I were town that game) In Rockband I thought he was scum. In LVII I didn't, but I think he replaced in after I was dead. In PTP3 I was convinced he was town. So actually, scratch that. I swear there was another game where I thought he was scum but I can't find it going through recent filters. GOOD NEWS EVERYONE! I DON'T think mementoss is scummy in every game I play with him. Just had a string of games (I SWEAR THERE'S ANOTHER ONE BESIDES ROCKBAND) where I think he's scum, and then faked a case on him in Aperture 2. | ||
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On October 18 2012 06:08 kushm4sta wrote: @austin you have several walls of text on memetoss and is the totality of your other scum reads. I heard I have a scumread on mementoss. That's more a general comment to others, and something to keep in mind. | ||
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On October 18 2012 06:11 kushm4sta wrote: So this was a lie or what? As far as I know, that's actually a lie. I swear there's another game where I accuse him of being scummy, but it turns out when I go look through them that I'm not always scummy on him. | ||
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On August 26 2012 03:16 austinmcc wrote: Almost 100% convinced that Mementoss is town based on one thing he said, and I seem to have good luck when I get that feeling. On August 29 2012 03:20 austinmcc wrote: Jingle, for what it's worth, I'm really not finding mementoss scummy. On August 29 2012 04:19 austinmcc wrote: In fact Dirk, after continuing to look over the last couple pages, I'm finding all the major commenters right now townie? Or at least not scum, I guess we could have some third parties still. Everyone seems to be struggling to pin down exactly what's happened, which feels relatively townie. In most cases, each person is trying to get information to help answer some question (what happened to last night's KP, etc.), and those feel like townie objectives to me as well. Because I'm reading both the questions and the answers sought as townie things, I'm not currently finding mementoss, JH, or you (to a lesser extent, because I still don't have a perfect grasp of the early stuff I missed and I know you were involved there). I actually never find you scummy that game. | ||
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In LVII you replaced in after I was dead. In PTP3 I was explicitly townie on you, always. In Liquid City I found something in your filter weird, but never put together a full read on you either way. | ||
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austinmcc
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On October 18 2012 06:18 kushm4sta wrote: it takes me to orgasm 1-3 thrawn djodref austin ( in no order) 4-7 dont give a shit Okay, as long as the answer wasn't "AUSTIN SCUMZZZZZZZ" I'm fine with that. If I lie about always finding mementoss scummy, then I'm lying to weaken my own case, which...I wouldn't do as scum (or as town, my badz). Just happened to misremember, it seems we both do. | ||
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On October 18 2012 06:23 kushm4sta wrote: Last question austin (I don't want to thrawn you to death): How sure are you that memetoss is scum? I would expect you to be pretty close to 100% since you are so single mindedly tunneling him. I am pretty darn sure. I am more sure on him than anyone else in this game. It would make no sense for me to tunnel him if I weren't more sure on him than anyone else. I think if you look at everything I've been writing, I'm focused on mementoss as a scum read, but the entirety of my posts is not "Lynch mementoss." There are other reads there, and if you look at some of the questions that I've asked to some players, you should be able to see where my mind is on other things. Don't think I'm only looking at one player, that actually isn't the case, but the playerbase has been a bit disorganized today in terms of listmaking and listshifting. More so than under circumstances, I feel the need to be very focused in my accusations and scumreads in order to get the person lynched that I believe to be scum. | ||
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On October 18 2012 06:29 kushm4sta wrote: Yeah it makes sense. You are definitely more knowledgeable about his scum meta and town meta than me. But disregarding meta, I think it is a very attractive option for scum to pick a believable tunnel target. It gives them a really safe and easy way to produce content and look town. It gives them an excuse for being apathetic towards voting (well my tunnel target isn't up for lynch so I dont care). That is somewhat true. I have seen scum drop votes on players who aren't really legitimate lynch candidates and walk away, or just halfheartedly push those targets. This is not that, however. Sandroba found mementoss scummy as of his last comment on him. ET did as well. Thrawn notes that if I'm town, then I have good, real points on mementoss. da0ud also wrote a case on mementoss. You can say that's just a "believable tunnel target," but at some point it looks like a "believable tunnel target" because the guy looks scummy. Nor would I characterize my play concerning mementoss as "apathetic." You think I don't care who gets lynched? You think I don't care if mementoss gets lynched? | ||
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(1) Why sandroba N1? (2) Why ET N2? (3) Do those NKs tell you anything about the identities of the remaining mafia? (4) Mementoss or Mementoss or Mementoss? | ||
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On October 18 2012 06:38 kushm4sta wrote: VE I would like your thoughts on the following: (1) Who is scum? @austin: I didn't say you were apathetic. I said tunneling allows scum to be apathetic about OTHER suspects, which you are. bunch of peeps: da0ud scum da0ud scum da0ud scum. austinmcc: here is why I don't think da0ud is scum. kush: On October 17 2012 06:00 kushm4sta wrote: damn austin your posts always convince me. He does seem quite town from those quotes. I guess thinking prpl was town was a coincidence. Right off the top of my head I KNOW that I've posted on other suspects, and other subjects. I know that you know this, because you specifically interacted with me about da0ud and found my posts convincing. I'm unsure yet whether you're trying to discredit me or actually think that I haven't been involved in other discussions, despite...having discussions with me. [spoilers]There may be some subjects about which I am apathetic (listmaking) but, beyond mementoss, I've been pretty clearly concerned with: da0ud why those NKs the R3 ON/hopeless1der matchup[/spoiler] | ||
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On October 18 2012 06:47 Mementoss wrote: holy fuck man are you this wifom every game? THIS is the weakest part of your case BY FAR, actually it adds nothing, it takes away from your case on me, why are you referencing it. Do you not realize im a night 3 kill almost every game? I'm not referencing the NKs to get his thoughts on you. I'm asking him about the NKs to get his thoughts on them, so that I can get thoughts on VE. Those are to help me read him, same way asking ET questions about the NKs was to help me read ET. | ||
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On October 18 2012 06:51 Mementoss wrote: also austin you realized you were set to be lynch before I decided to go back and read aperature I'm pretty sure I'm right up there. That does not concern me, at least not right now. | ||
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On October 18 2012 07:35 Mementoss wrote: Why would I go through the effort of using your meta to figure our your crazy tunneling alignment as scum, if I could just lynch you and get you off my back. I'm not convinced I would have ended up being lynched. For anyone keeping track, townie mementoss makes cases, like the one on djoref. Townie mementoss doesn't do nothing. A mementoss who only starts looking townie after getting called out by multiple players and tunneled by one is less likely to be ACTUAL town than one who starts off looking like townie mementoss from D1. | ||
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On October 18 2012 08:04 Mementoss wrote: Wait, why the fuck haven't you made your list yet? Or ever answered my question about your #2 read? Holding your list is super anti-town Put one down now. You can change it later. Holding it only shows your trying to fuck with the end results. Why is holding one's list anti-town? Mine most likely looks something like this, but I'm not entirely sure and I'd like to see VE in here and get some thoughts from him/on him. You Potentially kush given recent developments? hiro/VE(?) / djoref thrawn/hopeless da0ud me But, seriously, why is holding one's list anti-town? I find it interesting you'd say that. | ||
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