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##vote keirathi | ||
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Still wanna lynch Keirathi. | ||
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I'm still happy trying to lynch Keirathi today. After his initial case on Mattchew, he's done more or less no analysis this game. If looking through austin's previous games doesn't yield anything interesting, I might spend a bit more time staring at Keirathi's filter and write up my thoughts on it. IMP doesn't read like scum to me at a moment. I didn't see anything substantial in the cases presented in the thread to change my mind on that at the moment. | ||
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On October 02 2012 06:11 Keirathi wrote: I wouldn't say that I'm convinced that he is scum. But yes, he is the person I feel strongest about. His posts regarding me reek of someone with extra information. You're one of one person currently on that vote, best of my knowledge. If you're so convinced he's scum, why aren't you pushing for it in the thread? | ||
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On October 02 2012 00:53 Keirathi wrote: Can we talk more about this guy? 1) Jumps in to white-knight the "newbie". Such an easy thing for scum to do, especially on day 1 in a relatively inactive game. Admittedly, a townie could do that too, but I find it hard to believe that a townie would have that strong of a conviction that I was town making a "newbie mistake" rather than a scum making a dumb one. 2) "I think its pretty stupid for anyone to vote Keir, but why did drazerk unvote Keir?" Can anyone explain that logic? If its dumb for someone to vote me, why is it also dumb for someone with their vote on me to unvote me? On October 02 2012 01:35 Keirathi wrote: Anyways, I still want to lynch either Nisani or ghost. I am loathe to give ghost a free pass for such atrocious reasoning, and then complete inactivity. He hasn't even attempted to explain himself, and I have trouble trying to conjecture a townie reasoning for it. My gut still says he is a VI-type role though, and it would make his play perfectly understandable. Nisani on the otherhand, I can definitely believe is scum. His posts just reek of knowing my alignment beforehand. ##vote: Nisani201 I just talked to Keir about this, and he says he's pretty confident that Nisani is scum. Kind of weird considering that he's given so little reasoning for his vote. Let's take a moment to compare and contrast this to his initial vote on Mattchew: On September 30 2012 11:21 Keirathi wrote: So lets get this game really started: Mattchew I'm sure he has some town games somewhere in his filter, but every game I've seen him play in recent memory he's been scum (I Can't Believe Its Not Themed, DBZ, LVII). So what has he done this game? Claimed town. Made sure we knew that he was town again. Started some pointless setup talk that hasn't actually generated useful discussion. I don't see any way that speculating on scum team/third party numbers is working towards finding scum. It's just bullshit to fill up the thread, and everyone regardless of alignment can reasonably comment on it. So yea, I'm thinking Mattchew rolled scum yet again. ##Vote: Mattchew This is his post in Mattchew. Here, he's taken the time to go back through Mattchew's previous games, and looked at what he had to say Day 1, accused him of setup discussion, and applied some pressure on him. At least that's what I'm assuming he was trying to do. He's put some time and effort into this case, which is funny, because he immediately throws it out the window. Why on earth would Keirathi put time and effort into a case against mattchew, then immediately abandon it for another lackluster case? Why wouldn't a town Keirathi, at the very least, spend a minute or two looking through Nisani's previous games if he's so convinced he's scum? There's a clear disparity between the amount of effort he's put in on the first and on the second, and I can't see Keirathi doing that as town. I'm also really upset with dialogs like this: On October 02 2012 06:09 ghost_403 wrote: @Keir: I'll give you something to argue about as soon as I'm done writing it. Still convinced Nisani is scum? On October 02 2012 06:11 Keirathi wrote: I wouldn't say that I'm convinced that he is scum. But yes, he is the person I feel strongest about. His posts regarding me reek of someone with extra information. On October 02 2012 06:15 ghost_403 wrote: You're one of one person currently on that vote, best of my knowledge. If you're so convinced he's scum, why aren't you pushing for it in the thread? On October 02 2012 06:19 Keirathi wrote: What else can I say? I voted for him, and tried to get people to read why and comment on it, but I was just ignored. Everyone is just giving him a null read (or maybe slightly scummy, but not enough to vote). So I settled for talking about the other ongoing cases and deciding if I find someone scummier than Nisani. I haven't yet. On October 02 2012 06:23 Keirathi wrote: EBWOP: What I mean is, the case isn't gaining traction, and I don't think I have enough to convince anyone off of their null reads to vote for him. He has very little in the way of content for people to analyze. Its getting down to crunch time and we're going to have to consolidate onto someone at some point. Last I looked, there were literally votes on 8 out of the 13 players. Continuing to push someone that isn't going to get lynched is useless. I really don't like the logic that he presents here in this conversation. Two things in particular: one he's given himself a free pass to not scumhunt because he's given a few reads, and second, he's all but abandoned the one scum read he does have. If Keirathi is town, why isn't he fighting for his lynch? Why isn't he upset that no one is listening to him? Why isn't he being aggressive and pushing his reads? The answer that I come up with to explain this is that Keirathi is not town. It explains why he put in effort into analyzing before the game really began (to avoid lying about it later), why he's voting a weak read at the moment, and why he doesn't care that his scum read isn't getting lynched. | ||
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Pictured above: ghost_403 running around with his hair on fire, which is incidentally what he's been doing for the last two days. Should be around later tonight to actually play some mafia. brb | ||
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On October 04 2012 11:06 ghost_403 wrote: I'm really sorry I've been so busy, I fully intend to catch up tomorrow. Items on the agenda include
Alright, off to Nisani's filter. If I don't think Nisani is scum, I'll be voting S+B, because I don't think enough people will vote Keirathi today. | ||
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##vote strongandbig at least for the time being. | ||
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On October 06 2012 05:10 gonzaw wrote: Yeah, it's possible. However, if there was 1 KP that got to S&B. someone must have shot it. If the guy that shot it was town, he'd have claimed, therefore it's either scum or SK KP (basically anti-town KP). Drazerk claimed that KP and nobody cc'ed, so it at least proves Drazerk shot him (whether as town, scum or SK). You may be right about the targets though, maybe a town bus driver bussed S&B with a pro-town townie and scum/SK Drazerk shot S&B instead of his intended target. Yeah, we might leave that out until we have more claims or knowledge of night actions. However, if no town night action interfered with the kill, I think it's highly likely that if Drazerk is scum his shot was on the target he intended. It could be the same for 3rd party Drazerk, but maybe scum bussed S&B with someone and Drazerk didn't know. This response is so wrong there's no justification for it from a town point of view. Let's take a moment to examine what was said here:
There are reasons why unclaimed shots might have been from someone in the town. For example, Lord Kanti's KP from Aperture Mafia. Based on the flips that have already occured this game, I don't think that it's irrational to assume that a role with KP doesn't have some other stuff associated with it. The fact that Draz didn't immediately claim his shot doesn't imply that he's scum. That second part about the busdriver is (a) wrong and (b) blue fishing. In the event of a busdriver, 98% of the time, the person performing the action isn't notified of a bussing. Therefore, Draz would not know that he had bussed, and wouldn't have known to claim that he shot S+B. And why on earth are you implying that there's a town busdriver to begin with? Why do you keep fishing for blues? As town, you should know better than to spout off stuff like this. You would have taken a step back and realized that this post doesn't accomplish anything other than create more chaos while people discuss why you are completely wrong. Town gonzaw is better than this. | ||
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If it wasn't, answer the question, draz. | ||
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Only thing I came away with was he claimed vig back on Day 2. One shot vanilla vig. | ||
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I don't know and I don't care about the rolls and the lore in the game. Aperture 1 was won by Foolishness pretty much saying "I don't care about the lore/roles/what'sgoingoninthethread. Let's find us some scum." Do that. Do you think he's scum based on what he did in this game. | ||
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Your theory based on me wanting to get S+B lynched over Nisani, assuming that I thought S+B was actually RS at the time is slightly better, from my point of view, but wrong. Town credit would be less useful than keeping the other scum faction alive in that scenario. At that point in the game, the town didn't know that there was a second scum faction. But eliminating the RS too fast, the BS would be at a disadvantage. Unless they had a lot of stored KP or something, and could just nuke the town to victory. It's a possibility, but unlikely. Given what's happened in the game, I would argue that as BS, it would be in my best interest to lynch town in that situation. As far as reads, I'm not happy about it, but I think that you and S+B are town. If you both are scum, I'll give you guys the win for outing yourselves that way. My hat to you. I buy Draz's claim for the time being. He's nuts, for sure, but his claim makes sense in a Draz-ish sort of way. JH has been kind of worthless all game. I'm too lazy to really look into him at the moment, but he's giving off so BS vibes. I doubt anyone would listen, so I would rather focus my energies on the group that I will present next. BELIEVING THIS TO BE TRUE, that means that there are two red scum and one black scum in the following group:
HiroPro has been pretty much useless all game long. I'll give him BS status for the time being. Looking back at the voting patterns, mattchew was the primary mover behind the IMP lynch, which means that he has to be either BS or town. Since I think HP is BS, that means that mattchew has to be town, which only leaves austinmcc and mattchew remaining. tl;dr
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Still think Gonzaw is scum. I'm going to finish up my analysis of Gonzaw's voting Day 1, then eat dinner. brb | ||
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What's the important thing that happened the first day? We lynched scum. Not only did we lynch scum, we lynched the mafia godfather JOAT. That's a hell of a catch on our part: there's no reason for the scum to bandwagon such a powerful player on Day 1. So what was the sequence of events that lead up to the lynching of our dearly departed friend iamperfection? First person to vote IMP is gonzaw. Linky. Why? + Show Spoiler + Anyways, the people that I'm actually interested in seemed to have disappeared. Oh well. Anyways.....tomorrow I have a test, then I have to go to uni so I won't be home in nearly all day, so I don't know if I'll be around for the deadline (don't really know when it is). Just in case I miss it I'll make a placeholder vote on iamperfection: ##Vote: iamperfection Next guy to vote IMP is Mementoss. He comes into the thread, and does a quick analysis based on the meta of IMP, and decides to vote him accordingly. Linky Next page, IMP posts, and gonzaw quickly rebuttals his post, kind of funny since gonzaw thinks he's scum. Then, out of nowhere, Gonzaw retracts his vote. He gives as much reason for the retraction as he does for his first vote. Apparently, the fact that I remind IMP of Palmar from Rockband is enough of a reason for Gonzaw to know that he's not scum anymore, and push JH. linky Then, mattchew rides in on his golden stallion: linky. He gives some actual analysis, and it's off to the races. Of note: austinmcc explicitly says he's not voting IMP. HiroPro comes in and makes it three votes on IMP. linky Finally, XFire makes it four votes for the lynch of IMP. linky Ghost, you're a blubbering mad man. You're probably right, and I don't care. I think that Gonzaw pushed his scum buddy Day 1 when he made a crappy vote, pulled his vote after it started gaining traction, then abandoned thread when it started to look like his scum buddy going down. It makes sense, it's not a bad move to make as scum. When you combine that with the fact that Gonzaw has spent most of the thread mudslinging and whining instead of scumhunting, and the fact that he's frequently and repeated suggested and pushed massclaims when we really don't know anything about the game setup, I think it all points to scum. Unfortunately, I'm too lazy/hungry to post all of that stuff. ##vote gonzaw | ||
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On October 10 2012 04:42 austinmcc wrote: Oh ghoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooost. Would you like to claim? If everyone is being truthful, you used something on HiroPro N2. And HiroPro redirected to Gonzaw N2, so barring funny business, your action should have actually ... taken place on Gonzaw? HiroPro/Gonzaw, do either of you know how the tracking would come out in that situation? Someone is lying, I checked Draz Night 2. Roleclaim coming up in a bit. | ||
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Or HiroPro is lying. All I know is this: my DT check reads "Keirathi is town", not "your check came back town". | ||
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##vote gonzaw | ||
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I figured it out, neither of us are lying. I swapped with HiroPro Night 2 and checked drazerk. Since he got lynched, my check falls to the next person on the list, Keirathi. I didn't action Night 3. | ||
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That's all I know. Either Mattchew is lying about the bus, or the bus doesn't go through because my action is passive or something. My PM says that I check Keirathi Night 3. I'm assuming that in the event of a bus, it would have read that I checked HiroPro instead. Let me check. | ||
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G. | ||
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Also, BS basically lost N2 with the loss of our KP. JH and I had no way to win past that point. And I should have been lynched D4 when I claimed a green check on JH while pushing him as BS on D3. I was sure that was going to be the end of me, but it looks like everyone lynched me because I wasn't around. Sorry I didn't have more time to put into this game, guys. Huge thanks to Grey and Hassy for hosting! Had a blast. | ||
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