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OH THANK GOD I'M ON THIS LIST.
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Fuck it. I was going to post in haiku to emulate my hero foolishness, but that's way too much work. glhf, everyone.
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I'm pretty happy lynching Keirathi right now. He's putting way too much effort into scumhunting on Day 1 to build up towncred. Looking through previous filters when there's been, what, twenty posts in this game? No, that's not something that townies do. I vote we lynch him today, and mementoss tomorrow. WHO'S WITH ME.
##vote keirathi
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So, hiro, whatchoo think's going on in this here thread?
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Alright, Hiro, so who do you think we should be lynching today? So far, all you've done in this game is setup speculation (a big no-no), and what else?
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Hiro goes on my town list because no anti-town faction would be dumb enough to say that.
Still wanna lynch Keirathi.
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Something's off about austin's play this game. I dunno what. I can't put my finger on it, and I have no idea why. I think I'm going to read a few of his previous games.
I'm still happy trying to lynch Keirathi today. After his initial case on Mattchew, he's done more or less no analysis this game. If looking through austin's previous games doesn't yield anything interesting, I might spend a bit more time staring at Keirathi's filter and write up my thoughts on it.
IMP doesn't read like scum to me at a moment. I didn't see anything substantial in the cases presented in the thread to change my mind on that at the moment.
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Dude, austin is a Nigerian prince. I had no idea. My apologies, your highness.
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Why is everyone ignoring mementoss this game? Hrmmmm... Interesting. I'll add him to my list of people I'm going to have to look into.
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JH, why are you spending so much time defending yourself instead of just hunting for scum? And austin, why are you taking part of this conversation? I'm trying to figure out what the two of you are actually talking about, and I can't figure it out.
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@Keir: I'll give you something to argue about as soon as I'm done writing it. Still convinced Nisani is scum?
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On October 02 2012 06:11 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 06:09 ghost_403 wrote:
@Keir: I'll give you something to argue about as soon as I'm done writing it. Still convinced Nisani is scum? I wouldn't say that I'm convinced that he is scum. But yes, he is the person I feel strongest about. His posts regarding me reek of someone with extra information.
You're one of one person currently on that vote, best of my knowledge. If you're so convinced he's scum, why aren't you pushing for it in the thread?
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I don't think that Keirathi is town this game, and right now, it boils down to two reasons. One, he's not scumhunting properly. Two, he doesn't care if his scum read gets lynched.
On October 02 2012 00:53 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 06:54 Nisani201 wrote:On October 01 2012 06:25 Keirathi wrote:
As a bonus answer, Nisani is the other person (besides ghost) that I am particularly interested in right now. I feel like him jumping in to defend me against Drazerk because I was a "newbie" was taking advantage of an easy situation.
I recently played a game on another forum where I was pushed hard throughout the entire game because I made a small "newbie mistake" at the beginning. This game seems very similar and I don't want us to make the same mistake. Not sure what to think of ghost, I think it's pretty stupid for anyone to vote Kei. I'm also not sure why drazerk took his vote off kei, since it doesn't look like anything really changed his mind. I also think that Mementoss's "analysis" post was really stupid. It was a bad case on austin and the other half was him calling people town. He's on my radar but I'm still more confident in Drazerk. Can we talk more about this guy? 1) Jumps in to white-knight the "newbie". Such an easy thing for scum to do, especially on day 1 in a relatively inactive game. Admittedly, a townie could do that too, but I find it hard to believe that a townie would have that strong of a conviction that I was town making a "newbie mistake" rather than a scum making a dumb one. 2) "I think its pretty stupid for anyone to vote Keir, but why did drazerk unvote Keir?" Can anyone explain that logic? If its dumb for someone to vote me, why is it also dumb for someone with their vote on me to unvote me?
On October 02 2012 01:35 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways, I still want to lynch either Nisani or ghost.
I am loathe to give ghost a free pass for such atrocious reasoning, and then complete inactivity. He hasn't even attempted to explain himself, and I have trouble trying to conjecture a townie reasoning for it. My gut still says he is a VI-type role though, and it would make his play perfectly understandable.
Nisani on the otherhand, I can definitely believe is scum. His posts just reek of knowing my alignment beforehand.
##vote: Nisani201
I just talked to Keir about this, and he says he's pretty confident that Nisani is scum. Kind of weird considering that he's given so little reasoning for his vote. Let's take a moment to compare and contrast this to his initial vote on Mattchew:
On September 30 2012 11:21 Keirathi wrote:So lets get this game really started: MattchewI'm sure he has some town games somewhere in his filter, but every game I've seen him play in recent memory he's been scum (I Can't Believe Its Not Themed, DBZ, LVII). So what has he done this game? Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 08:35 Mattchew wrote:
Alright lets do this leeerrroooyy...
anyway i am town and actually intend to put a lot of effort and thought into this game.
I feel that the only person I havent played with(?) or atleast recognize them is crossfire99.
I will be reading up on him(her?) game history now Claimed town. Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 09:30 Mattchew wrote:
I finished reading crossfire and eating dinner
someone that has played in the past aperture game, what was crucial to town winning?
Made sure we knew that he was town again. Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 09:33 Mattchew wrote:
also i will be away from my computer for around 45 minutes. lets get discussion started?
any thoughts to possible scum/town breakdowns? 10/3 9/4 9/2/2? Started some pointless setup talk that hasn't actually generated useful discussion. I don't see any way that speculating on scum team/third party numbers is working towards finding scum. It's just bullshit to fill up the thread, and everyone regardless of alignment can reasonably comment on it. So yea, I'm thinking Mattchew rolled scum yet again. ##Vote: Mattchew
This is his post in Mattchew. Here, he's taken the time to go back through Mattchew's previous games, and looked at what he had to say Day 1, accused him of setup discussion, and applied some pressure on him. At least that's what I'm assuming he was trying to do. He's put some time and effort into this case, which is funny, because he immediately throws it out the window.
Why on earth would Keirathi put time and effort into a case against mattchew, then immediately abandon it for another lackluster case? Why wouldn't a town Keirathi, at the very least, spend a minute or two looking through Nisani's previous games if he's so convinced he's scum? There's a clear disparity between the amount of effort he's put in on the first and on the second, and I can't see Keirathi doing that as town.
I'm also really upset with dialogs like this:
On October 02 2012 06:09 ghost_403 wrote:
@Keir: I'll give you something to argue about as soon as I'm done writing it. Still convinced Nisani is scum?
On October 02 2012 06:11 Keirathi wrote:
I wouldn't say that I'm convinced that he is scum. But yes, he is the person I feel strongest about. His posts regarding me reek of someone with extra information.
On October 02 2012 06:15 ghost_403 wrote:
You're one of one person currently on that vote, best of my knowledge. If you're so convinced he's scum, why aren't you pushing for it in the thread?
On October 02 2012 06:19 Keirathi wrote:
What else can I say? I voted for him, and tried to get people to read why and comment on it, but I was just ignored. Everyone is just giving him a null read (or maybe slightly scummy, but not enough to vote). So I settled for talking about the other ongoing cases and deciding if I find someone scummier than Nisani. I haven't yet.
On October 02 2012 06:23 Keirathi wrote:
EBWOP: What I mean is, the case isn't gaining traction, and I don't think I have enough to convince anyone off of their null reads to vote for him. He has very little in the way of content for people to analyze. Its getting down to crunch time and we're going to have to consolidate onto someone at some point. Last I looked, there were literally votes on 8 out of the 13 players. Continuing to push someone that isn't going to get lynched is useless.
I really don't like the logic that he presents here in this conversation. Two things in particular: one he's given himself a free pass to not scumhunt because he's given a few reads, and second, he's all but abandoned the one scum read he does have. If Keirathi is town, why isn't he fighting for his lynch? Why isn't he upset that no one is listening to him? Why isn't he being aggressive and pushing his reads?
The answer that I come up with to explain this is that Keirathi is not town. It explains why he put in effort into analyzing before the game really began (to avoid lying about it later), why he's voting a weak read at the moment, and why he doesn't care that his scum read isn't getting lynched.
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@nisani: Then why did he put more time in it than the case against you, which is something that he said on this page is real?
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Pictured above: ghost_403 running around with his hair on fire, which is incidentally what he's been doing for the last two days.
Should be around later tonight to actually play some mafia. brb
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I'm really sorry I've been so busy, I fully intend to catch up tomorrow. Items on the agenda include
- Decide if Nisani is really scum: I'm hesitant to say yes, at the moment, as Nisani is someone who I feel is easy to mislynch. Most of my time tomorrow will be spent analyzing his play and reading the cases against him.
- Figure out what's going on with S+B: Seriously, what's going on there.
- Try and understand what XFire has been spending so much time in thread defending me: I'm grateful, but I don't get it.
- Continue to push Keirathi: Tunnel vision, engage!
Might scratch the last point, but the rest of them need to be evaluated.
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Alright, all caught up.
On October 04 2012 11:06 ghost_403 wrote:I'm really sorry I've been so busy, I fully intend to catch up tomorrow. Items on the agenda include - Decide if Nisani is really scum: I'm hesitant to say yes, at the moment, as Nisani is someone who I feel is easy to mislynch. Most of my time tomorrow will be spent analyzing his play and reading the cases against him.
- Figure out what's going on with S+B: Seriously, what's going on there.
- Try and understand what XFire has been spending so much time in thread defending me: I'm grateful, but I don't get it.
- Continue to push Keirathi: Tunnel vision, engage!
Might scratch the last point, but the rest of them need to be evaluated.
- Just reading the thread, I'm not convinced he's scum. I still have to go back and read through his filter, but it just feels like a bad lynch to me. Mind you, there can't be too much counterpressure against his lynch, simply due to the fact that there aren't enough scum left to protect him. Even so, I feel like the scum are just pushing an easy mislynch.
- I think it was Gonzaw who postulated (big word!) that S+B is legitimately busy, but I don't buy it. People who are legitimately busy leave the thread for long periods of time, then try their best to make legitimate contributions to the thread when they come back. I simply haven't seen that in S+B. Instead, he comes back to the thread and continues to tunnel Drazerk. Even so, as scum, it seems like it should be easier for him to fake contributions if he really was scum. Huh. That might actually point to neutral third party: anti-town behavior without anyone helping him out. Interesting thought.
- On my first read, I took XFire's posting to be buddying, which in retrospect, I don't think it was. It looks more just like he was trying to figure out exactly what was happening in thread. Since he wasn't buddying, now he's my buddy <3
- Still don't like Keirathi, and it's because of stuff like this:
On October 02 2012 07:47 Keirathi wrote:
So lets get down to the current candidates:
iamperfection
I've said it many times. His demeanor is entirely different than his scum demeanor, and almost exactly the same as his townie demeanor. Yes, its a meta read, but one I'm comfortable not voting today.
His lurking I don't find particularly scummy either, because he has 3 games going at the same time and is posting about the same amount in all of them.
Drazerk
Null, maybe leaning slightly town, because of his interactions with me earlier in the game. He had ample opportunity to push me if he was scum, but instead carried on a conversation explaining his thought process. I don't like his interactions with S&B, because they feel full of confirmation bias from a past dispute, which has pulled him back down closer to null.
And obviously I'm not going to be voting for myself. I've tried to be open with my thought processes and stayed active when it would have been much easier to lurk along with most of the town. I just flat-out don't have anyone that I have a strong enough scumread and enough supporting evidence of the read to push a lynch on. If you want to lynch me for being indecisive, then there's not really much I can do about that. I've been trying to engage people and gather their reactions and give opinions, but I can't magically make up a case.
So honestly I think there's a good chance that the top 3 candidates are all town and scum is having a hay-day.
I like how three posts later, he's all like
On October 03 2012 11:57 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 11:38 gonzaw wrote:
-He's "null" on perfection and spouts some wishywashy stuff about him and puts the usual "I want him to post more reads, I'll wait for him" scum tactic scum always use with their buddies (I should know of I always use it).
Oh really? Interesting... Show nested quote +Gonzaw wrote:
just in case I miss it I'll make a placeholder vote on iamperfection:
##Vote: iamperfection
I don't have a strong read on him at all, but after rereading it's the strongest one I have.
None of his posts seemed to contribute at all, and even his ghost vote seemed "easy" to latch on. He doesn't have anything else to go on, so it's a safe bet I think.
Others I could have placed a vote on would be JingleHell, Mementos or Nisani, but I'm not sure at all about them. I really need to see how they will act towards contributing and towards the lynch, right now they seem passive, lurky and nothing else (I'd consider keeping austin/ghost/others alive until I get more info on them)
But considering nobody else has done anything in the last hours (in terms of contributing to the lynch, or discussion, etc) and everybody seemed to have the same "meh I don't really care" apathetic attitude it's difficult to assert if they are doing it out of a scum motivation or are just townies that aren't doing shit because nobody else is doing shit. Show nested quote +gonzaw wrote:
Hmm, okay people, what do you guys think about lynching one of these guys:
JingleHell
Mementos
Nisani
CrossFire
austin
iamperfection
And if you'd switch to one of them, why would you do it?
Like I said before I have that same "weird" feeling about them, but again it seems none of them other than Mementos decided to show up to contribute at all.
It wouldn't bother me too much since it's D1, but we are getting too close to the lynch deadline and we have to choose a lynch.
Show nested quote +gonzaw wrote:
Yes, it's easy for scum to pick any townie from that list at random and point fingers, but there's no reason to believe him.
I trust some people here more than others, and it's the opinion of those that I'll take into account to determine my choice.
The "scummy" people would be forced to choose so I can see how they interact and contribute, but not to completely sway my opinion.
Well, tough luck I'm leaving right now.
You know what, fuck it:
##Unvote: iamperfection
##Vote: JingleHell
I don't really buy that "the world is against me" attitude and I haven't seen any contribution from him other than his scummy read on Drazerk (maybe his unvote is not that scummy, but it's the only thing I can go on).
Take into account that's a rash vote/placeholder, but oh well. Pretty convenient that you took literally no stance on iamperfection for the whole day besides putting a vote on him and not trying to get him lynched. However, when he started getting some actual momentum, you suddenly didn't think that he was worthy of your vote anymore and you threw it down on JH. And it just happened to be right before you "left" until the deadline too...
What's good for the goose isn't good for the gander, I suppose.
Alright, off to Nisani's filter. If I don't think Nisani is scum, I'll be voting S+B, because I don't think enough people will vote Keirathi today.
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I'm having trouble writing down my thoughts on Nisani at the moment. I need some more time to come back and analyze exactly why, and whether he's town or scum. In the meantime, I'm thinking that S+B might have rolled 3rd party. Last time I checked, 3rd party was anti-town, so I think I'm gonna
##vote strongandbig
at least for the time being.
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