|
Well, I'm playing badly right now and I'm exhausted, I wouldn't put it past me to post something stupid or something I shouldn't have posted.
1)I wouldn't say it makes me want to lynch ghost, but rather still think he's BS. I'd prefer lynching RS over BS if the factional KP theory is correct.
But yes, that interaction is weird, and it may not "make sense from a scumteam perspective". But I'm running out of options here, and no matter who I look at I find something that makes me doubt him being BS. Surely one of those things is wrong.
2)I don't see the resemblance to be honest. I just don't mind having discussion about me going around as long as I don't get lynched for it
|
On October 07 2012 02:27 Keirathi wrote:
Something else I want to mention regarding Crossfire:
Open his filter and ctrl+f Keir. He spent quite a lot of time giving me town reads too. And I never even mentioned him once. Basically my interactions with him are exactly the same as Ghost's, minus me making a comment about him buddying me.
The thing is....you were pretty apparent town.
Scum from either faction, 3rd party, etc will always try to "buddy" to the obvious town so they don't generate conflicts (accusing the "most pro-town" player puts lots of focus on them and they need a lot of skills to pull off, and at times it's not worth the effort to try and cast suspicion on a townie).
I can understand Xfire giving town reads on you, Matt, me (that's what I understood, maybe he didn't have that strong townread on me), and hell maybe even Hiro (although less than the others).
I don't really understand him giving a town read on ghost, since again, ghost was not "pro-town" at all and his reasoning for defending ghost was pretty bad.
It's possible he "defended" ghost, and then as soon as a BS fell (him or his buddy) the remaining one could tunnel ghost as BS for the rest of the game (by saying something like "He was obvious not in the same team as iamp...but what if he's BS!? Of course! He's scum!" or something)
Xfire did go on quite a bit on why you were town, I think in his N1 posts; but his explanation on ghost was minimal.
On October 07 2012 00:50 Keirathi wrote:
3) Do you really think two people going as far as to SAY THEY WERE BUDDYING EACH OTHER makes more sense as a scumteam than two people who just casually mentioned each other throughout the game? No dialog, no real interaction, just an occasional mention.
On October 07 2012 01:42 austinmcc wrote:Look at it the other way around. You say they don't want to buddy each other. What if crossfire just looks like he's buddying ghost, ghost picks up on that, and worries. Say your scumbuddy is actively throwing out odd reads on you, what do you do?
Ghost's actual posts are - (1) I want to understand why crossfire has been defending me (I'm worried about crossfire defending me for no good reason). (2) Upon reread, I don't think he was buddying. Repeat, he wasn't buddying, so we can be buddies.
Does that sit well with you? To me, that looks like Ghost being worried about crossfire's buddying, and then this weird conclusion to draw. Summarily say "Nope, he wasn't buddying me." "Because he wasn't buddying me, we can be buddies." It's...really weird. Just a summary no buddying, not even quoting crossfire's posts and explaining how he misinterpreted them.
Okay, these are basically the 2 points in favour and against that Crossfire<->ghost link that seem plausible.
EHmm...both make some sense. It does seem weird for scum ghost to say "now he's my buddy <3" about his scumbuddy but don't do anything about it....but if he noticed Xfire defending him, it's possible he wanted to post something to address that fact in case someone mentioned it later. Like, ghost goes on scum QT "Yo Xfire wtf? Don't buddy up to me" and then decides to do something to address it in the thread without bussing his teammate.
Hmm, wait, how about this:
ghost and Drazerk
Would that make sense? Mostly because of Drazerk having 1 additional KP on top of his red factional KP.
Right now...I'm leaning on Drazerk/ghost/Hiro as remaining scum. Kei/S&B town, Matt town and austin town (impressions I get, although I can find weird stuff with both Matt and austin to doubt them...I can't really think of them doing everything else they did as scum)
Differencing the colors between them is a pain in the ass though (there are only 6 combinations though).
On October 07 2012 03:35 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 11:03 gonzaw wrote:
Jingle, Hiro, what do you guys think about ghost and what I wrote about him?
Don't worry Jingle, even if I'm RS ghost can be BS, so you can actually pay attention to what I say. I hate using connections the way you just did. It's not reliable at all. Crossfire could very well have been mentioning ghost as town so much simply because he wanted to associate being against perfection as a town trait (protecting himself) I got the feeling off ghost that he was just being dumb early on with the Keirathi "too much effort" thing but I'm not sure now. He seemed really unwilling to do anything on the s&b/nisani lynch and I'm having trouble deciding whether that was because he was busy or whether he just didn't care who got lynched. I need to see more from him to decide.
Who is BS then? You?
Join in the discussion Hiro, who is the remaining BS and who is the remaining RS, or at least who is scum no matter what color he is?
On October 06 2012 19:27 Drazerk wrote:
Too many scum faction for me to stop this so yeah cya in the obs thread
...
I think I'll end up voting you later
|
On October 07 2012 03:20 austinmcc wrote:If you're still around keirathi, Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 10:10 gonzaw wrote:
Also, even if we 100% determine ghost is BS....do we lynch him? Scum KP seems to be more dangerous than whatever BS have (melee conditional KP and that shit), so maybe it can be better to try and lynch a RS and maybe let RS deal with ghost (although I doubt they will, like in Liar Game). You don't seem as convinced on ghost, but this is a question we need to address.
If the factional KP is true, I'm all for killing the reds first. Specially if the remaining red has a similar ability to GlaDOS and can fuck things up.
Xfire's role seemed way too underpowered. He had 5-maximum 1 KP to use, only if a night action was used on him, and could only be used on the guy above or below him on the list.
Compared to GlaDOS who was a RBer/GF/other shit that seems very underwhelming. Again considering Gordon Freeman is the most "important" figure from Black Mesa one would assume he got the best powers (just like you would assume GlaDOS got the best powers from RS). If so, then the remaining BS dude has shitty powers right? Maybe some kind of Framer ability that could deal 1 KP in some way or something.
It's also possible someone like G-Man is actually the "superior" to Freeman in Black Mesa and has better powers, and Freeman was just a normal goon (because seriously, Freeman's power is worse than a red goon's one).
Everything seems to point to getting rid of RS first, unless I'm missing something.
On October 07 2012 05:12 Mattchew wrote:
Lynch draz maybe hiro tomorrow
Why Hiro? Matt, again, don't go scummy lurker on me. You are not confirmed town by any means so start discussing.
|
Either way, if Drazerk does end up being scum...it seems most likely the remaining scum will surrender, since it will be 8v1 (again, most likely) and I don't think any scum can win that, even if the scum was Keirathi or S&B or Mattchew for instance (specially if he's a KP-less BS).
|
On October 07 2012 06:01 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 05:57 gonzaw wrote:On October 07 2012 03:20 austinmcc wrote:If you're still around keirathi, On October 06 2012 10:10 gonzaw wrote:
Also, even if we 100% determine ghost is BS....do we lynch him? Scum KP seems to be more dangerous than whatever BS have (melee conditional KP and that shit), so maybe it can be better to try and lynch a RS and maybe let RS deal with ghost (although I doubt they will, like in Liar Game). You don't seem as convinced on ghost, but this is a question we need to address. If the factional KP is true, I'm all for killing the reds first. Specially if the remaining red has a similar ability to GlaDOS and can fuck things up. Xfire's role seemed way too underpowered. He had 5-maximum 1 KP to use, only if a night action was used on him, and could only be used on the guy above or below him on the list. Compared to GlaDOS who was a RBer/GF/other shit that seems very underwhelming. Again considering Gordon Freeman is the most "important" figure from Black Mesa one would assume he got the best powers (just like you would assume GlaDOS got the best powers from RS). If so, then the remaining BS dude has shitty powers right? Maybe some kind of Framer ability that could deal 1 KP in some way or something. It's also possible someone like G-Man is actually the "superior" to Freeman in Black Mesa and has better powers, and Freeman was just a normal goon (because seriously, Freeman's power is worse than a red goon's one). Everything seems to point to getting rid of RS first, unless I'm missing something. On October 07 2012 05:12 Mattchew wrote:
Lynch draz maybe hiro tomorrow Why Hiro? Matt, again, don't go scummy lurker on me. You are not confirmed town by any means so start discussing. you forget, gordon freeman was a day vig. Given that there are at least two protective powers in a small game, that does make the role quite a bit more powerful. There's also the possibility that the black team has other powers which have synergy with the list changing.
So far I haven't seen anything at all that has bearings on the player list.
I haven't even seen that JK "spot" in the list from Mementos earlier on D1 (I can't think of too many reasons to hide that info from town though). I haven't seen Xfire use his ability on anyone (although yes, being a day vig makes it seem more powerful against the medics). If it's something that can happen it either hasn't happened yet or it's completely harmless for now.
I wouldn't mind ghost roleclaiming right now either. We are getting closer to a "townies vs 1 scum" scenario, where we will basically massclaim. If someone claiming right now can help us arrive there sooner, or someone fake-claiming can help us kill him sooner (so we arrive there sooner as well) then I'm all for it.
Disclaimer: No, me claiming right now won't get us to arrive there sooner
|
Disclaimer:
I know this may be "important" and a "scumslip" later when I claim so I'll address it now: I didn't leave breadcrumbs of my role name/abilities/etc.
Reason? I couldn't really be arsed to fake a post just to breadcrumb my role, and check each letter and stuff and try to make it hidden. Also every time I crumb and claim, the crumb itself doesn't really matter at all (e.g Bang Bang Mafia 2, the original Aperture Mafia, etc).
|
On October 07 2012 09:11 Drazerk wrote:
Well I'm being lynched so why would I help you figure out whos on the other scum team so you can kill them off
Are you black or red? That "aditional KP" thing is driving me nuts. You are going to lose anyways right? Why would you care about another scum team? (specially if you are BS, since the other scum team fucked you up).
On October 07 2012 09:13 ghost_403 wrote:
Sup draz. Given one bullet, who would you like to shoot?
Sup ghost. You just asked the guy that just claimed scum in the post above you who to shoot, and ignored everything else.
Nice going there if you are town.
No point in prolonging this though:
##Vote: Drazerk
|
On October 07 2012 09:22 Drazerk wrote:
I fail to see how I claimed scum with that post.
I am going to be laughing so much at my lynch though
On October 07 2012 09:11 Drazerk wrote:
Well I'm being lynched so why would I help you figure out whos on the other scum team so you can kill them off
There are 2 possibilities:
1)You were talking in context of this post:
On October 07 2012 08:44 Drazerk wrote:
3 teams of 4
That makes the most sense to me right now.
Which doesn't seem likely since you mention "I help you figure out whos on the other scum team.." and not "scum teams".
Still in context of that quote it doesn't make sense at all since your quote doesn't make sense at all.
2)The only other options is you claiming scum and not wanting to help us figure out the other actual scum team.
|
Why won't you claim your role name nor any other abilities you have but didn't tell us about?
It's right there on your role PM, you don't have to make any effort. If you are scum you do have to make an effort (ask safe-claims, figure out flavour to post) and I take it if you are scum you don't really want to go through all that effort (which seems what's happening right now).
|
On October 07 2012 09:28 ghost_403 wrote:
Why's that? Just his general behavior during the game, or is there some deeper logic to your choice?
How about because I'm the Black Scum perhaps?
I dunno ghost, read the fricking thread please.
|
On October 07 2012 09:29 Drazerk wrote:
Because anyone with half a brain could see what my role is by now I really didn't make it subtle
I know what you are implying....that you are an Aperture Science executive.
That flavour doesn't really make it any better, considering the robot that guy created just flipped scum.
|
On October 07 2012 09:35 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2012 09:33 gonzaw wrote:On October 07 2012 09:29 Drazerk wrote:
Because anyone with half a brain could see what my role is by now I really didn't make it subtle I know what you are implying....that you are an Aperture Science executive. That flavour doesn't really make it any better, considering the robot that guy created just flipped scum. Since you apparently found what he's talking about, care to share? I'm loathe to wade through the cess pool that is his filter.
Remember when he threw a lemon granade back at you.
Apparently he's Cave Johnson, Aperture Science CEO before the GLaDOS stuff.
If all townies are Test Subjects+friendly objects from the game+people under the opression of Aperture Science....where does that leave Cave Johnson?
He was kind of an okay guy in the tapes (ie. wasn't murderous like GlaDOS)......except for the forcing people to fight mantises and experimenting on hobos and shit so I can't really know.
Hmm.
I'm wondering what town roles are out there. I can only imagine mine, Kei's/S&B's, and Chell/Wheatly, but that still leaves 3 (or 4 if I'm one of Chell/Wheatly) more people (assuming we are at 8v1v1) and I don't really remember any specific lore from the games to figure out the remaining ones. If there was a shortage of town roles I could see Cave being there (and the scum being a turret or something like I speculated before).
|
Yes and No. He did nothing, which is either usual scum trying to survive or very dumb town Drazerk being Drazerk
I guess there's no choice but to kill him though.
Also ghost, I can use that quote against you as well, "find some scum". I've posted tons of stuff about Drazerk's behaviour from D1, which basically fits his behaviour all game. I don't remember you doing so. I don't remember you doing anything ever since FoSing S&B on D2.
You can't use that quote against me
You also haven't mentioned anything that was talked about you today.
|
On October 07 2012 09:51 Drazerk wrote:
Kill me with a Vigilante wasting a lynch on me is retarded on all levels and you guys know this
As much as I like that idea, we can't be sure we have another/a vig (remember you supposedly are one right?)
There are other options to try to just "confirm you" as scum or town (if we have a DT or tracker or watcher out there), but with the possibilities of one of the 2 scum roles fucking up reports and shit that isn't reliable either.
What do you suggest Draz?
|
Really ghost, help me understand.
Look at these posts please:
On October 06 2012 05:20 ghost_403 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 05:10 gonzaw wrote:
Yeah, it's possible.
However, if there was 1 KP that got to S&B. someone must have shot it. If the guy that shot it was town, he'd have claimed, therefore it's either scum or SK KP (basically anti-town KP). Drazerk claimed that KP and nobody cc'ed, so it at least proves Drazerk shot him (whether as town, scum or SK).
You may be right about the targets though, maybe a town bus driver bussed S&B with a pro-town townie and scum/SK Drazerk shot S&B instead of his intended target.
Yeah, we might leave that out until we have more claims or knowledge of night actions. However, if no town night action interfered with the kill, I think it's highly likely that if Drazerk is scum his shot was on the target he intended.
It could be the same for 3rd party Drazerk, but maybe scum bussed S&B with someone and Drazerk didn't know. This response is so wrong there's no justification for it from a town point of view. Let's take a moment to examine what was said here: - Any unclaimed shot must be anti-town
- Unquestioning belief that Draz is telling the truth
- More blue fishing
- Stuff that was just plain wrong
There are reasons why unclaimed shots might have been from someone in the town. For example, Lord Kanti's KP from Aperture Mafia. Based on the flips that have already occured this game, I don't think that it's irrational to assume that a role with KP doesn't have some other stuff associated with it. The fact that Draz didn't immediately claim his shot doesn't imply that he's scum. That second part about the busdriver is (a) wrong and (b) blue fishing. In the event of a busdriver, 98% of the time, the person performing the action isn't notified of a bussing. Therefore, Draz would not know that he had bussed, and wouldn't have known to claim that he shot S+B. And why on earth are you implying that there's a town busdriver to begin with? Why do you keep fishing for blues? As town, you should know better than to spout off stuff like this. You would have taken a step back and realized that this post doesn't accomplish anything other than create more chaos while people discuss why you are completely wrong. Town gonzaw is better than this.
On October 07 2012 09:45 ghost_403 wrote:
Gonzaw, stop with the fucking setup speculation.
I don't know and I don't care about the rolls and the lore in the game. Aperture 1 was won by Foolishness pretty much saying "I don't care about the lore/roles/what'sgoingoninthethread. Let's find us some scum." Do that.
Do you think he's scum based on what he did in this game.
These posts seem to scream "srs business". If you find them in a normal filter you wouldn't flinch and say "yep, this guy is taking this game serious and doesn't tolerate non-sense".
However, those are the only 2 posts with "content" you made in like 72 hours. That contrast is fucking scummy as hell.
You are "so serious" and you want "people to stop speculating and scumhunt" when you didn't do shit at all.
How does that make sense?
How does it make sense for you to be so serious about the game in one post.....disappear completely then appear out of nowhere and be so serious about the game as well......and don't do anything constructive?
Can someone tell me how that makes sense?
If you were doing what Drazerk is doing and just not caring at all about anything, I may understand, since not contributing since D2 and barely posting even when you are active are signs of not caring at all and that behaviour is consistent.
But your behaviour isn't consistent at all because of those reasons above. You are acting like you care about the game......but I take it all of us know how that fares.
|
Okay, tell me the truth: have you read the thread by now? Or did you just skim it/go to the last post to see what the discussion was about?
|
I mean, you are active right now, why aren't you contributing?
Also these are contradictions:
I'm gone
Would you prefer I spam one liners and worthless posts to make it look like I'm here?
You can't be gone and post one-liners...that's the definition of "gone"
|
On October 07 2012 10:14 ghost_403 wrote:
If I don't have time to figure out what's going on in the thread, I don't post. I could come in here and spam up in the ten minutes I've got free during lunch, or I could just not post until I have an hour or two to figure out what's going on in the thread. Which would you prefer, and how does this conversation help you find scum?
Even if you can't figure things out, posting helps figure out your behaviour and those little things scum have to fake (quick interactions with people for instance) that townies don't, and it helps a lot figuring out your alignment.
Posting "I'll go read the game and be back in a few hours with thoughts" helps too, instead of just keep it inside you.
If you have 10 minutes free then it doesn't help that much, but at any time you've read the thread it does.
until I have an hour or two to figure out what's going on in the thread
You also haven't done this as far as I'm concerned.
What's going on in the thread ghost?
Either you post that you won't be active (like Hiro) or do what you said you would (read the thread when you have 1-2 free hours and figure out what's going on in the thread).
Also again, your behaviour with those posts of yours isn't consistent, and hypocritical when you ask me to find scum and figure out Drazerk's alignment when you haven't tried to do so yourself all game long; or when the posts you "try" to contribute is a bad response to a speculative post of mine and nothing else.
|
For instance, it's been like 1 hour between your first and last post. Wasn't that enough to read the thread and "figure things out"?
I mean, there are only 7 pages from D3, it's not that bad.
If you were too lazy/exhausted to read it/read filters I could understand (happens to me a lot)....but you didn't say anything about it so I can't assume you were, specially with your outburst of "if I have 10 free minutes I can only post one-liners, but if I have 1 or 2 free hours I'm super-contribution-machine and try to figure things out and shit".
tl;dr: Don't make up excuses ghost, do something. At least react to what has been said
Maybe I should just drop this.
|
On October 07 2012 10:32 ghost_403 wrote:
So am I a hypocrite or am I scum?
Hypocrite certainly. You can be both you know.
I'm leaning on the scum side, at least as long as you show complete disinterest in the game, combined with all the shit you did/didn't do in the past.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
