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On September 26 2012 07:36 Ottoxlol wrote: no, you shouldn't vote as last if the guy had no chance to defend or claim. if you do anyway and he flips town, you will be lynched. that's what i'm saying. if there's one more vote needed and you wanna make that vote, you gotta say so in advance so the guy up for lynch knows it's time to make his (potentially) last defense | ||
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If someone hammers another player without warning then what is a legitimate response? What reasonable punishment could you put in place to stop people from doing it? I say it's not too big of a deal. If someone hammers a player then we can speculate as to the legitimacy of their motivations afterwards. However if you're smart then don't fucking do it (hammer a player) unless you've got some badass fucking read that you have absolutely 0 doubts at all about. So in other words, don't fucking do it. | ||
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On September 27 2012 00:16 phagga wrote: So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly. Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some? Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw | ||
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On September 27 2012 04:45 phagga wrote:But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone? This post struck me as weird: On September 27 2012 05:27 strongandbig wrote:shiaopi i am calling you out. last game we played together you derped your way through because you were blue, then you solved the game but it was too late. If you're town I call on you to play this whole game for reals even if you are blue, you've shown you can do good analysis (even if your case wasn't very well presented, you did solve the game) so people are going to want you to keep doing it now. what do you think about ottoxlol. When I read that it seemed like it could be a cleverly written request for better play and it's hiding that strongandbig's actually fishing to try and make a blue read. Like if strongandbig is mafia, and he knows shiaopi is town (which is what I'm getting from the way strongandbig talks to shiaopi) and he's got a meta blue-shiaopi read, then he's baiting shiaopi who he considers might be blue into posting more in order to get his blue read. And his random lynch post seemed pointless... enough people have seen random lynch suggestions in games to know why they're made so if he's town I don't see why he'd think it'd work. And as a discussion starter, same thing. It's been seen enough that when it's made people will instead just talk about the meta of random lynch suggestions. strongandbig what is your read on shiaopi? | ||
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On September 27 2012 04:52 Sinensis wrote: You guys have spent several posts shifting around blame for nothing. I'm just making a note of it. "just making a note of it" Wanna say anything further than that? | ||
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On September 27 2012 10:50 Sinensis wrote: @ ShaoPi: SnB explained himself perfectly clearly and without being a dick. That goes a long way. All I wanted was for him to explain why he wanted to rng, and he did. And honestly it makes sense and is something I may try in future games myself. It has produced discussion. I have no idea what snb's meta is. Based on the bolded part I'm thinking you see snb's meta as unclear and dickish? So if that is your impression of his meta then why, when he deviates from that meta, would it not set off alarm bells? | ||
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On September 27 2012 21:49 Bluelightz wrote: @thrawn, do you has scum reads? The only thing you pointed out is that one of SnB's post's are trying to fish blues, as well as in the same post you say random lynch is useless while you yourself propoed a random lynch earlier. I don't see how my earlier post about rnd lynch makes you think I was seriously proposing the idea. And yeah right now I'm most wary of snb. | ||
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On September 27 2012 07:14 thrawn2112 wrote:And his random lynch post seemed pointless... enough people have seen random lynch suggestions in games to know why they're made so if he's town I don't see why he'd think it'd work. And as a discussion starter, same thing. It's been seen enough that when it's made people will instead just talk about the meta of random lynch suggestions. strongandbig what is your read on shiaopi? | ||
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On September 27 2012 22:39 ShiaoPi wrote: @thrawn: from what I got from the last game I played with SnB he is neither dickish nor too unclear as scum. So I would say that the remark from sinensis was unrelated to meta, especially since he was not referring to it anyway. What strikes you as confusing in the little talk between SnB and me? I would also be interested in your read on ottoxlol. My bad I was confusing you with Sinensis in that post about their interactions. Here was his post: On September 27 2012 10:50 Sinensis wrote: @ ShaoPi: SnB explained himself perfectly clearly and without being a dick. That goes a long way. So that post about interactions between you and snb + Show Spoiler + On September 27 2012 21:49 thrawn2112 wrote: I have no idea what snb's meta is. Based on the bolded part I'm thinking you see snb's meta as unclear and dickish? So if that is your impression of his meta then why, when he deviates from that meta, would it not set off alarm bells? Nothing much about ottoxlol other than his defense to bluelightz was bad and I want to see a better one. Just because something is hypocritical doesn't mean that it's invalid. | ||
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On September 27 2012 23:07 ShiaoPi wrote: So are you pegging SnB as likely scum at the moment or just suspicious? I wouldn't go so far as "likely" but I'd say most suspicious looking dude. And if he's scum then I'd be pretty suspicious of Sinensis. I wanna see his (sinensis) response to what I asked him. | ||
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On September 27 2012 23:28 iamperfection wrote: are you seriously doing association shit already. how about this we find fucking scum first before we try to start making links between players. Isn't analyzing interactions between players part of figuring out who is scum? | ||
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On September 27 2012 23:33 iamperfection wrote: how do scum players interact with each other? in the instance I was talking about, a strange/unexplained/contradictory changing of a read from suspicious to not suspicious | ||
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On September 27 2012 23:34 ShiaoPi wrote: Hmm...dunno about this vote on Thrawn yet. Not clearly enough scum motivated in his posts until now for me to join your vote Iamperfection. Not wanting to exonerate him, but he could very well be just doing this as town. I'm off to bed...was a long day :S You say there's not enough in my posts that are scum motivated for you to vote for me, so obviously you must think some things look scum motivated. What looks scummy? | ||
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Alright otto that is 3 votes against you. You've been accused of giving a bad defense and it was, it was more of a deflection than a defense. You've also been accused of not giving your full read on snb earlier and that was also true. So if snb is your top scumread can you give all the reasons why, and if he's not your top read / you're just waiting on his response or whatever, then who else looks scummy and why? | ||
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On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote: No, do you? "Ur useless!" "No ur useless!" "No ur uselesser!" Isn't helping anyone and is probably making both of you angry. There's no reason to do that. When you say something like "I'm making a note of it" to me that suggests that you're implying there's something scummy going on but you don't want to come right out and say what it is, but that's not what I'm getting from this last response. Were you suspicious of how we were interacting? | ||
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lol do you really not know what I'm talking about? On September 28 2012 00:32 Ottoxlol wrote: I will wait for him to post, then we will see You are asked who you will vote for, as in, who do you think is the scummiest. This is at a time when snb was who you were talking about. Your response was that you were waiting on snb to reply before you could answer the question. | ||
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So your original problems with snb's suggestion were that you couldn't see how it could be fairly done as far as actual logistics goes? You didn't say anything like that at all when you said you first said you didn't like the idea. | ||
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On September 28 2012 12:13 austinmcc wrote: Let me know if that wasn't it, or if you've got other concerns. Headed to bed now but I'll be looking around tomorrow since I don't like Ottox as a lynch any more. if you're still up please say who you do prefer as a vote, we're pretty damn close to deadline already | ||
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On September 28 2012 12:25 austinmcc wrote: Off the top of my head, nobody's sticking out as someone I really want to vote. I'd like to see ShiaoPi answer the questions the were addressed to him a while back, as well as give his thoughts on Ottox. I want to look over you and phagga again. Ottox's defense was so not-a-defense that it felt townie to me. Again, I'd actually like to know what people think about his play after getting a vote(s) and how they read it. Phagga voted shortly after myself, but you came in after a while. I don't like you voting even though you yourself thought it was more of deflection than defense. I actually really don't think I like that, you get a close read! There's a distinction between making a bad defense and making a bad defense by deflecting... I'd say deflecting is scummy. And sorry I dont know what you mean by "close read." | ||
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On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote: ##Unvote austinmcc is being logical, compliant, and is saying things I agree with so I can't justify voting for him today anymore. Even though I disagree with him about hammer votes, he is right about it being largely irrelevant. @Bluelightz: Your vote had the least amount of analysis behind it of any vote so far. Are you sticking with your vote or was that just to put pressure on austinmcc to start scum hunting? I will be curious to see if you and austinmcc have a dialog. @Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets. Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking. What do you have to say about that? First what are you talking about with this part? " Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players" Also could you be more specific with the accusations? | ||
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On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:@Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets. So if I were to not go after other people that would somehow be better than what I've been doing? Well of course not. So how are you making the distinction that I'm trying to direct attention from myself? Are the accusations or questions I've posted scummy looking? Basically it seems like you are accusing me of "too much scumhunting" without going into detail about how the scumhunting looks suspicious. On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking. I'm trying to disrupt communication? So I'm just supposed to sit back and let everyone talk to each other and then come in afterwards with my read without being able to ask people questions beforehand? And I think "rarely follow through" is an exaggeration. Which "nitpicks" do you have a problem with? Is your concern about the number of them or the usefulness of them? What I want you to be more specific about is exact cases you're accusing me over. Tell me which ones you're actually talking about. You've just made some general statements about my play without actually saying which specific examples you think are scummy and why, and honestly I'm a little wary about how genuine your intentions are. | ||
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On September 28 2012 14:05 Sinensis wrote: That's not a response, that's a bunch of semi sarcastic questions; half of which you answered yourself. No thanks. ##Vote: Thrawn2112 I'm keeping my vote here for now. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks too. Those are serious questions I want you to answer, and they address the the problems I have with your accusations. Anyways, Sinensis makes this comment: On September 27 2012 04:52 Sinensis wrote: You guys have spent several posts shifting around blame for nothing. I'm just making a note of it. I addressed this earlier. Going so far as to call it out and say he's "just making a note of it" all reads like he was suspicious of our actions. When I asked him to further elaborate, he said: On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote: No, do you? "Ur useless!" "No ur useless!" "No ur uselesser!" Isn't helping anyone and is probably making both of you angry. There's no reason to do that. He doesn't say anything about him thinking it was suspicious. Just that it was probably making us angry so we shouldn't act like that. No hint of suspicion at all there. I pointed that out to him and asked him if what he was thinking at the time of the original post and his response was: On September 28 2012 11:08 Sinensis wrote: Mafia members sometimes have useless little disagreements like you were doing, especially early on, in order to create distance between them in the town's eyes. So I made a note of it. So now his stance is that he was suspicious of us maybe being mafia and faking a disagreement. I see no consistency between his first post and his last. He has also completely disregarded my defense, and something I want to point out about his case against me is this: On September 28 2012 13:55 thrawn2112 wrote: So if I were to not go after other people that would somehow be better than what I've been doing? Well of course not. So how are you making the distinction that I'm trying to direct attention from myself? Are the accusations or questions I've posted scummy looking? Basically it seems like you are accusing me of "too much scumhunting" without going into detail about how the scumhunting looks suspicious. I'm trying to disrupt communication? So I'm just supposed to sit back and let everyone talk to each other and then come in afterwards with my read without being able to ask people questions beforehand? And I think "rarely follow through" is an exaggeration. Which "nitpicks" do you have a problem with? Is your concern about the number of them or the usefulness of them? What I want you to be more specific about is exact cases you're accusing me over. Tell me which ones you're actually talking about. You've just made some general statements about my play without actually saying which specific examples you think are scummy and why, and honestly I'm a little wary about how genuine your intentions are. He makes a case against me that's full of general statements about my play. I address each of his concerns and ask for specific examples of what I've done is scummy. He responds by not answering or talking about a single thing I posted in that defense and brushes it aside and votes for me. ##Unvote ##Vote Sinensis | ||
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On September 28 2012 16:19 Sinensis wrote: What is that, 1000 words plus later and you STILL haven't disagreed with my accusations? ALL you have done is shift blame to me. My vote is in the right place. Don't be intimidated by the word count, feel free to defend yourself. You need to go reread my responses to your posts and come back and say something about them other than they aren't worth responding to. | ||
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So I'm being mislynched which causes me to be suspicious of each of the people who have voted/talked about me. For iamp, his original vote was not based on very much and I have know way of knowing how honestly he felt about that first vote. Otto's vote I am not suspicious of,thinking about it now I think it's likely his vote came as a result of the two of us getting into a heated argument and not really feeling that the other person was listening to the argumentts we presented. Sinensis I am still suspicious of. Overall I've had a scummy read on him for a lot of the game and I don't even think he cared what I was saying in my defense, he was just brushing it aside. for phagga, he has been off my radar for a lot of the game other than our argument early on and his vote seemed to be a little out of the blue and it was at a perfect time for mafia to start putting pressure on their mislynch bandwagon. Also there is bl, who has sorta been defending me all game but not really going into too much detail about what exactly I've posted so I also think you should look at him. glhf | ||
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On September 29 2012 05:07 phagga wrote: god damnit, give me a good reason not to hammer you! you are here. If you are town, then try to get out of this! which of the walls of text shall I respond to? who is still in the thread? | ||
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On September 29 2012 05:10 austinmcc wrote: No suspicions on me? If phagga has been off your radar much of the game, could you give him a quick peek and a more robust read? For time's sake, cases on phagga can be found: here for Bluelightz, here for ShiaoPi Ya you also voted for me. My read of your cases so far have been that they don't look like scum-created cases. my only suspicions of you have been about how much you seem to enjoy typing words, but i've known other townies in toher games who like to do that (talk for no reason) so it's not too much for me to be suspicious of, especially during D1 where we have to start with 0 discussion and work our way up. i'll look at phagga and your cases against him | ||
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At the start of the game I came in with at least a few posts that were basically worthless as far as my scumhunting efforts goes. They were kinda trollish in nature (looking back on them now) and phagga definitely made a big deal out of them. He didn't really say why he thought they were scummy he just started putting blame on me for making them. Later I asked him why he jumped all over me for those posts and he said it was because he wanted to point out how I was contradicting myself. Anyways that entire exchange between us made me think he was just trying to make me look bad without actually having to go out and give a scum read on me. Reading through the cases against him right now, and yes he does seem to make completely useless statements that are only there so that he could type words. I'll keep posting as I keep reading. Oh and ##Vote Phagga | ||
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On September 29 2012 05:20 phagga wrote: nice game that's going on here... austinmcc, are you pressuring thrawn into voting me? who else could I possibly vote for? I mean I could have sat here and hoped that everyone will switch to sinensis but that is not going to happen | ||
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Just off of memory the only thing that I can remember about phagga's accusations was his vote for me, which came at a time that would be oppurtunistic in creating a mislynch from a mafia perspective | ||
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On September 29 2012 05:32 phagga wrote: your argumentation so far has not giving me a reason not to hammer you, so currently I would, yes. Why does my vote and suspicion on ottoxlol not stand out, but the vote on you does? I was talking about what I can distinctly remember about your play over the course of the game. Ever since our first argument you've completely dropped off my radar. I'll go look at the ottoxlol vote and tell you what I think about it | ||
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To be that looks like you honestly didn't care too much about the case. You give a small sentence of reasoning why you accept his defense, you talk about his following posts as if they are why you are unvoting him but you don't quote them or talk about them specifically or anything. So I don't like how easily you let off nor do I feel like your reasoning for doing so was adequate. | ||
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On September 29 2012 05:49 austinmcc wrote: You said you were suspicious of everyone voting for you. Can you narrow that down to a most scummy person out of that group? Not that I was suspicious of everyone of scum, my thought process was "ok since I am getting lynched I need to look at all the poeple who voted for me and see who is most suspicious" can't decide between sinensis or phagga. last night sinensis was my #1 read but after going through phagga's filter in the last 30 min or so i'd rather lynch him also if I survive I want to see more from bluelightz about why he didn't want to lynch me without him giving general reasons. | ||
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