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On September 25 2012 22:34 iamperfection wrote: um this might be a stupid question but how does the named vt work? If I understand it correctly it's just a Vanilla Townie role with blue color and special name. No powers. | ||
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On September 26 2012 01:00 ShiaoPi wrote: obviously scum! Already piling up excuses for lack of activity!!!!! naah just kidding!  Damn, I'm already busted! | ||
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I am against a random lynch because in an instant majority game it might shortcut the discussion and therefore won't be helpfull. Also, there is the trust issue. Sinensis, why dont you want the Boxers to claim? Also, where is Bluelightz? 4am has long past. | ||
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On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho who wants me to write walls of Don't be shy. If you're townie, there is nothing to fear. Just try not to clutter up the thread. We are off to a really slow start, something that can generate usefull discussion is always welcome. | ||
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On September 26 2012 11:01 austinmcc wrote: Random lynch still dumb, as always. I don't even like it as a discussion starter. Small mini, and we're going to have to work to keep things active and make sure everyone is involved. I don't think we need some kind of warning requirement before hammering, because everyone needs to be active and you shouldn't be waiting until you might or might not get hammered to speak up and make a defense or actually post. Everyone should be on notice from D1 that we're instant majority, just like you signed up for, and you need to actually participate. The bolded part is a good setup for scum to hammer a townie without warning. Are you scum, austin? | ||
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1) ShiaoPi (Taiwan) 2) Bluelightz (Indonesia) 3) iamperfection (US) 4) austinmcc (US) 5) strongandbig (US) 6) Ottoxlol (Unknown) 7) thrawn2112 (US) 8) Sinensis (US) 9) Phagga (Switzerland) Further discussing this topic only gives scum the possibility to appear active without contributing. On September 26 2012 22:11 austinmcc wrote: Actually, I think this could be a nice point to get some discussion. Boxer claims. Need to go read GSL 1 to see how they played out that game if the setup rolled Boxer(s). Sinensis can you pin down "later" to something more specific and give your thought process on why you'd want later claims? I agree with Sinensis that Boxers should not claim early. Boxers claiming only gives good targets to scum (as Sinensis explained), gives scum more knowledge about the setup and gives town the amount of blues with powers, which is all bad. Town should not rely on blues to scum hunt anyway, so not knowing if there are any blues to help is preferable. | ||
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On September 26 2012 22:43 austinmcc wrote: phagga, Are you actually worried about scum hammering townies without warning? Do you think it likely that townies would hammer someone without warning? Yes and Yes. I would not be surprised if a townie cluelessly hammers another townie without warning. Worse stuff has happened in the History of TL Mafia. And if a townie can do it, scum can too, they will just look for a good excuse. | ||
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On September 26 2012 22:52 ShiaoPi wrote: @phagga: I don't like your opening post. you complain about lack of activity in this game, while having been inactive as well. You also jump on another person who has done nothing until then. The post is pretty much devoid of any meaning, besides opposition to random lynches. Nothing that screams scum right now, but still worthy to take a note of. I wrote pregame I would be inactive the first 9 hours due to sleep, which is pretty much how long I was inactive. I frequently point out people who are not active, you can find this in any of my older games. It's a habit I have developed to make people aware that someone has been inactive for a longer time. I also like it as a reminder when scumhunting to see if the person has had several periods of long inactivity and what that could mean in the context of the game/thread. | ||
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On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote: sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote: i would be down for rando lynch i will flip a coin. heads it's me, and tails it's you? On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote: most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho who wants me to write walls of On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly. Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some? | ||
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On September 27 2012 00:49 iamperfection wrote: you were trying to shut down discussion by talking about it? To me it looked more like one of those posts that people do in order to look like their contributing. So what do you say to that? look now were actually talking about something!!! yay I specifically wrote: On September 26 2012 22:27 phagga wrote: I don't see how discussing time zones or activity times is gonna bring us anywhere. just check the timezone of everyone and note it down, I'm even gonna help with you that (because I already made it for myself): 1) ShiaoPi (Taiwan) 2) Bluelightz (Indonesia) 3) iamperfection (US) 4) austinmcc (US) 5) strongandbig (US) 6) Ottoxlol (Unknown) 7) thrawn2112 (US) 8) Sinensis (US) 9) Phagga (Switzerland) Further discussing this topic only gives scum the possibility to appear active without contributing. (Emphasis is mine). So yes, I was trying to shut that discussion down by giving him some raw information and making it clear that further discussing this topic will not be productive. And noone was talking about this topic afterwards, so I guess I made myself clear enough. | ||
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On September 27 2012 03:35 thrawn2112 wrote: Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken. Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself. But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone? | ||
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On September 28 2012 00:17 Bluelightz wrote: Before I sleep, I advocate not lynching thrawn because, he's very active, and very open with his suspicions (SnB), and responsive to questions. I don't think mafia would be like this. Why would Mafia not do that? According to you, that makes them look townie, which is what they try to achieve. | ||
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On September 27 2012 23:29 iamperfection wrote: Actually you know what i don't think town members try to make links between players on day one like you blatantly did. ## Vote Thrawn You want that vote to count? Than you better write his name right. @thrawn, the problem with your analysis of a possible connection of sinensis and s&b is that you are making a lot of assumptions. It's not wrong to do that, but it's just quite a stretch because we do not have that much info available yet. @austinmc, you have only been talking setup so far. Any thoughts on iamps vote on thrawn? Any thoughts on other players? @Ottoxlol, you just sound afraid to get lynched, which should not really be a problem when you're town. This post stands out: On September 27 2012 19:08 Ottoxlol wrote: My take on SnB is that he really has to step up his game or I will vote him. First he suggest a random lynch, he doesnt reply to why would anyone do that, then comes out with this "scum would freak out", I ask him why would they, he doesnt reply. Then says I am scum because I write short posts and doesnt contribute: SnB, out of all the players why did you choose me? At that moment there was plenty of players with less or around the same content/posts as me. For example you had only one post (the last one, calling shiaopi and me out) other then the whole random lynch thing. When I compare this with your play in LVII where you furiously defended your idea although several people started to calling a vig on you, then you're behaviour this game seems off. | ||
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On September 28 2012 00:29 Bluelightz wrote: If you look at it from a mafia perspective I don't think mafia would be that open in giving information out out to town, as well as, if you say it that way, wouldn't all the things you are doing is trying to achieve mafia's objective? Of course Mafia tries to achieve their objective, I just find it dangerous to say that mafia would not do something because only townies do something/take that risk. If an action means you can look more townier, than it might be a good idea to risk it as scum, to get some towncred. | ||
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On September 28 2012 00:15 Ottoxlol wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 27 2012 23:56 Bluelightz wrote: Are you just dodging my question? Oh, ##Vote: Ottoxlol. Proper defense please. Did you answer to that post? No. Who is dodging what then? I don't feel like there have been anything to take a stance on, random lynch was stupid, there was talk about Boxers claiming that was stupid too. I don't think that the way is to pick someone at random (me) then start voting because I did not hunt scum/ post a lot, meanwhile SnB, Bluelight, iamperfection, SInensis, phagga or austin posted similar to me in quality and quantity. I don't see why is it ok to vote for someone because he's just asking questions and has nothing new to add in the beginning but if it is so please I ask it again, SnB and Bluelight why would you vote me over the others? Besides Ottoxlol showing fear again of getting lynched, he tries something very untowny: To blend in. As a townie, you generally have 2 priorities: - Hunt scum - Establish your own innocence (which makes scum hunting for town easier as they can concentrate more on the not-so-townie players). However, instead of taking Bluelightz' vote on him as a wake up call to follow either of those two paths, Ottoxlol instead tries to point out that others are the same as him. That's just plain wrong. This does not help town at all and gives Ottoxlol the possibility to hide behind other players, which is a scummy thing to do. #Vote Ottoxlol | ||
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On September 28 2012 05:03 strongandbig wrote: I'm in transit today, and will be again on Monday. @questions someone was asking me: I think I was pretty clear explaining the random lunch thing. There's a bunch of names in here I don't recognize, so proposing the random lunch was kind of a long shot hoping that some of the ones I did recognize would go along with me because they knew the plan. It didn't work out, oh well. Sinensis I don't think your point on Austin is very good. Even if you disagree with him, for that to make him scum his position would have to be pushing a scum agenda and I don't think it does. He's not saying "scum wouldn't hammer someone becaise it would bring pressure, therefore hammering isn't scummy", he's just saying "hammering would bring a lot of pressure" - or at least that's how I interpreted it. I also don't think "you seem too afraid of getting lynched, you must be scum" is good logic. Actually, that's terrible logic - if townies always let themselves be lunched or didn't care about it then scum would always get easy mislynches and win. Conversely, if townies never let themselves get lunched then town would always win. Getting mislynched is like the worst thing a townie can do. So don't judge ottoxlol based on whether he's trying not to get lynched, judge him based on how he's scum hunting and how he is interacting with the thread. Also I place an fos on whoever said he was scum because he doesn't want to get lynched. I really think that's bad logic. Planes gonna leave soon ill check in again later tonight. You clearly shouldn't write posts when you're hungry. Also, I never said he is scum because he is afraid. I meant to say that he should not be afraid of getting lynched as town, because if you are town and play without fear, people will often recognize it and not lynch you. The reason I voted him was more austins case and the fact that I feel that Ottoxlol is merely trying to blend in instead of helping town. (in case you didn't notice yet, I'm they guy you're FOSing). | ||
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On September 28 2012 05:23 Ottoxlol wrote: @phagga That game was completely different from this. The previous game (LIII) I posted in a similar manner like this btw, I made a case on a blue who we lynched because his bad claim, we had almost zero discussion, the game ended with total scum victory, I wanted to make sure we do not lynch another blue and I saw a chance that Matt was one, so at least I tried to get everyone talking why did they voted. It didnt work out very well... If I did not defend myself you could have said that I gave up so I must be scum. Why is it a bad thing that I try to explain my actions and my thought process so we dont start off with a mislynch? It was about the way you defended yourself. However, judging from your following posts, it indeed rather seems to have been bad townie defense than scum defense. #Unvote | ||
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regarding the bolded part: On September 29 2012 00:47 ShiaoPi wrote: Okay fuck this, since they are both not here and I am getting tired, let's do this the old fashioned way. ##vote: phagga Reasons: He has very much blended in with the thread, never took a stance that would have stood out from the general direction the thread was heading to. There is close to zero content within his posts (most are short anyway). The first longer post is the more or less useless list of timezones, he admitted himself that talking about it is a good way to appear contributing while not doing it actually. You must be kidding me. How many times do I have to explain that I wanted to shut that discussion down before it takes off? Which I did, by the way, because noone was talking about it afterwards! | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On September 26 2012 23:04 thrawn2112 wrote: Why is everyone talking about useless shit such as timezones? The only one talking about it were austinmcc and me, and I tried to stop that discussion. On September 28 2012 07:35 thrawn2112 wrote: It was from when you didn't want to answer a question about him until he responded to your question It wasn't a question, Ottox did not want to vote yet. On September 28 2012 10:43 thrawn2112 wrote: ottoxlol: You say I lied, with the lie being that I said you wouldn't give your full read on snb. Yes you have given your read, but the question originally proposed to you was about where your vote was going to go, and you specifically declined answering that question. Whether or not you want to vote for snb is a very big part of what I look at when trying to determine how genuine your read on snb is. Ottox did not decline answering the question, he said he might vote snb but wants to hear is answer first. This one is probably the worst, completely missinterpreting Sinensis accusation, therefor I post it in the open. On September 28 2012 13:55 thrawn2112 wrote: So if I were to not go after other people that would somehow be better than what I've been doing? Well of course not. So how are you making the distinction that I'm trying to direct attention from myself? Are the accusations or questions I've posted scummy looking? Basically it seems like you are accusing me of "too much scumhunting" without going into detail about how the scumhunting looks suspicious. I'm trying to disrupt communication? So I'm just supposed to sit back and let everyone talk to each other and then come in afterwards with my read without being able to ask people questions beforehand? And I think "rarely follow through" is an exaggeration. Which "nitpicks" do you have a problem with? Is your concern about the number of them or the usefulness of them? What I want you to be more specific about is exact cases you're accusing me over. Tell me which ones you're actually talking about. You've just made some general statements about my play without actually saying which specific examples you think are scummy and why, and honestly I'm a little wary about how genuine your intentions are. He never said to not go after other people, he never said not to ask questions. He was talking about the way you were doing those two things and that he sees your methods as disrupting instead of helpful. I was unsure if it was just your reading comprehension that failed over and over again or if you did this on purpose. When I compare your play to Newbie Mini Mafia XXVI, then I don't see any misreading of this type there. Interestingly enough, earlier in the thread, Sinensis posted this: On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote: I wasn't implying SnB's meta is unclear and dickish. I've played many games with him and he's never been a dick to me. I was implying that being clear and undickish (that's a word I promise) is a good way to be in general. It makes communicating easier. That's all I was saying with that. Communicate clearly and undickishly and I'll be happy to give anyone my time. Thrawn is doing the exact opposite in his beforementioned post. This could be an attempt to avoid having to properly defend against Sinensis' accusations. Also, Thrawns response seems over the top. Check how other reacted on such statements from Sinensis, they were much cooler (e.g. Austin) I also don't like how he is suddenly attacking Sinensis when his points are valid. He does not really try to defend, instead he just attacks him here and demands Sinensis defends. Thrawn, get in here, this is your last chance to say something about this. I expect a statement until deadline -1 hour (that's in roughly 2 hours), else I'll hammer you. | ||
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On September 29 2012 00:47 ShiaoPi wrote: Okay fuck this, since they are both not here and I am getting tired, let's do this the old fashioned way. ##vote: phagga Reasons: He has very much blended in with the thread, never took a stance that would have stood out from the general direction the thread was heading to. There is close to zero content within his posts (most are short anyway). The first longer post is the more or less useless list of timezones, he admitted himself that talking about it is a good way to appear contributing while not doing it actually. Also look at the way he shifted his attention around, never called out somebody (besides the "lurkers" at the start) on his own, but piled up onto thrawn and ottox respectively as they started to get pressured by others. As the pressure subsides he pulls back as well. So I wanted him to give out reads of his own, maybe a target of his own, instead of sheeping others and blending in with thread-sentiment. Looks like he is either not online right now or prefers to lurk. Since I want to sleep soon, I won't stick around all the time until he posts. I cannot see any good town reasons for trying to blend into the thread and doing nothing besides piling up onto players already under fire. Looks incredibly scummy in trying to be on the "good" side of town, while seemingly "contributing" but actually just coasting along. I know it's a bit late to propose a new lynch target but phagga reads red to me now. Where did I pile up on thrawn? And I raised my suspicion of Ottoxlol here before austins case. don't have much more time, need to run for train, will be online from mobile and later. | ||
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On September 29 2012 01:10 austinmcc wrote: Shiao, here are my (short) thoughts on Phagga. I guess let's discuss him a little if you're around and I don't get pulled away. His inactivity is generally null for a game that's early and hasn't been inactive, but I don't love that he's constantly sniping about the game being slow and then not really trying to do anything about that. + Show Spoiler + On September 26 2012 15:28 phagga wrote: Wow, 9 hours into the game and we don't even have 2 pages. I am against a random lynch because in an instant majority game it might shortcut the discussion and therefore won't be helpfull. Also, there is the trust issue. Sinensis, why dont you want the Boxers to claim? Also, where is Bluelightz? 4am has long past. On September 26 2012 17:38 phagga wrote: Don't be shy. If you're townie, there is nothing to fear. Just try not to clutter up the thread. We are off to a really slow start, something that can generate usefull discussion is always welcome. On September 26 2012 23:01 phagga wrote: I wrote pregame I would be inactive the first 9 hours due to sleep, which is pretty much how long I was inactive. I frequently point out people who are not active, you can find this in any of my older games. It's a habit I have developed to make people aware that someone has been inactive for a longer time. I also like it as a reminder when scumhunting to see if the person has had several periods of long inactivity and what that could mean in the context of the game/thread. On September 27 2012 00:16 phagga wrote: So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly. Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some? Game is slow. Game is slow we need something to create discussion. I watch for inactives and point them out. Gets on Thrawn's case for not contributing. In all of that, phagga isn't doing an awful lot himself. I shared his feeligns that we needed something to create discussion, but had no idea how to get that started, so I can't really fault him for those posts. However, I don't actually see him hounding inactive players. I don't actually see him attempting to do too much. I hate this post: We know phagga wants discussion. Wants the game to move. He's speaking with Bluelightz, who posts this: and that was phagga's response. Effectively, phagga is just shutting down the chat with Bluelightz. I'm only speaking generally. I agree that thrawn isn't scummy, but I don't like your reason. I won't tell you WHY i don't like your reason. I won't explain MY reasons. I won't keep the analysis of Thrawn going at all. Just give some general statements and not offer my own specific thoughts. I mention in the nested posts in the quote above why I think it is a bad argument. I did not intend to shut the discussion down, but realized bluelights thought that I suspected thrawn, which I did not really do at this point. Phagga's unvote on Ottox ... doesn't do wonders for me either way. The reasoning behind his original vote was something I didn't express well but also didn't like. The unvote comes a looooooooong time after Ottox has started to look very town. And it doesn't come with anything else. No desire to seek another target, no nothing after that. Just "Okay, no Ottoxvote." I saw one response yesterday an thought, that sounds better, butnot good enough yet. So I went to bed, and when I had time today again to write a proper post I unvoted. I saw early this morning that he was in no danger to get lynched, so I wanted to waitunt I could make a proper post | ||
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On September 29 2012 01:12 Bluelightz wrote: Was at work, wanted to write about thrawn, did not have enough time for more than unvote. On phagga, I think he's scum because after he votes Ottox, he doesn't make any effort to convince others of Ottox's scumminess besides asking Sinensis on his stance on Ottox and clarifying why he thinks Ottox is scum, then what? He unvotes Ottox and doesn't post anything else. Also I think he is scum because he keeps on dropping useless stuff here and there, comments near the bolded part. he misstyped lynch as lunch several times. I had to laugh and wanted to make a joke on it. I was not sure of iamp's intentions there. I wanted to see if he is serious with his vote or not. Soon after there was a vote count that showed his vote as counting. ] Oh, and while reading his filter, this is my weakest point, This seems like overkill, because if you look at (my) post before, this is just the exactly same thing. | ||
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On September 29 2012 01:52 ShiaoPi wrote: @phagga: + Show Spoiler + On September 27 2012 04:45 phagga wrote: Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken. Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself. But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone? + Show Spoiler + On September 27 2012 00:16 phagga wrote: So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly. Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some? Looks like pounding on thrawn to me. Also regarding ottox, you mention him as bluelightz starts pressuring him. Sleepy as fuck now, so I am off to bed. I would really like you guys to considerate a lynch on phagga, but if you do not like to do it, at least hammer someone, no lynch would be just awful. night! Thrawn: wanted to point out that he has been doing the very thing he accused me off. Was a bit weary of him, hence me asking him about his reads, response put me back on null on him for that moment. Ottox: so what? Noone had voted on him and I brought up a genuine point. Where is the Problem? I am home in 10 mins, family time, will be online in roughly 2 hours. | ||
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THRAWN! Get in here! Now! you have 30 minutes left. If there is no answer until then, I'll hammer you. | ||
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On September 29 2012 02:50 austinmcc wrote: You guys may not like association talk, but I'll note that if thrawn flips scum then Phagga is my #1 read. Sinensis picked up on their banter before, phagga's townread on thrawn with no reasoning felt off to me, and then he drops in with a case once thrawn starts to be a pretty clear favorite (although so did 1/3 of the game). My gut just lumps those two together as scum, although I guess we'll see what thrawn flips. I really don't see the logic behind all of this. What you are saying is that scum is already so desperate that they are not simply bussing each other, but even calling the deciding vote! And this in a game where it is absolutely unnecessary to do something like this on D1 because of the instant majority? I'm not saying its impossible, but that would be a really desperate plan and should at least seem unlikely. Also, I never had a townread on thrawn. I said that I don't think he is scummy. Stop making up facts. Do you think my points I raise on thrawn are bad? if so, tell me why. | ||
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On September 29 2012 04:51 austinmcc wrote: A FRIEND! LET US PLAY MAFIA! Could you discuss your earlier read on thrawn, before your last two large posts on him? I see: Which seems to be negative (echoing others, not contributing) I wanted to get a reaction of him. He accused me of not posting something of value, and I saw the contradiction because he had several junk posts as well. I wanted to see how he reacted when I pointed this out to him. posts "don't improve" --> implying they're bad or scummy? Accusing thrawn of "contradicting himself" uffa, let's see. Thrawn (correctly) accuses me of taking his posts out of context. What I wanted to point out was, that no matter if I read those quoted posts in context or not, they are bad either way. So that "improvement" was not meant on his general posting behaviour but still on the 4 posts I had pointed out earlier. And I thought those posts are just bad, which is nothing new at the start of a game. some people use the first hour to troll / make bad posts. The only slightly scummy thing was that he was contradicting himself when he called me out on posts without value when he had himself posts without value. However, I realised that this dialogue would go nowhere (and be of no help) so I asked him for his reads. This post doesn't really point towards a scummy OR a town read. Those posts seem to indicate that you're viewing thrawn in a scummy light, or at the very least that you have no reason to view him in a townie light, since you've been critical of his play. for me, it did not change his alignment. I had a null read on him. But then when Bluelightz advocates not lynching thrawn, you state this: Why did you not find thrawn scummy? What happened exactly that made you go from thrawn not looking scummy to you basically writing a case on him and threatening a vote? In short, this post happened. It was his answer to my question if someone already stood out to him. I liked the thinking process behind it, and this pretty much set him to null for me after what had happened before. | ||
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On September 29 2012 05:01 thrawn2112 wrote: Alright, I've just been able to read the last few pages of the thread and there are several huge walls of text about me. I don't think I'm gogin to be able to respond to them all adequately before I get hammered so I'm just going to give some quick reads for yall to look over after my flip. So I'm being mislynched which causes me to be suspicious of each of the people who have voted/talked about me. For iamp, his original vote was not based on very much and I have know way of knowing how honestly he felt about that first vote. Otto's vote I am not suspicious of,thinking about it now I think it's likely his vote came as a result of the two of us getting into a heated argument and not really feeling that the other person was listening to the argumentts we presented. Sinensis I am still suspicious of. Overall I've had a scummy read on him for a lot of the game and I don't even think he cared what I was saying in my defense, he was just brushing it aside. for phagga, he has been off my radar for a lot of the game other than our argument early on and his vote seemed to be a little out of the blue and it was at a perfect time for mafia to start putting pressure on their mislynch bandwagon. Also there is bl, who has sorta been defending me all game but not really going into too much detail about what exactly I've posted so I also think you should look at him. glhf god damnit, give me a good reason not to hammer you! you are here. If you are town, then try to get out of this! | ||
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On September 29 2012 05:24 austinmcc wrote: I'm legitimately interested in his read on you. On September 29 2012 05:14 austinmcc wrote: Let's play a game maybe? ##Vote: phagga Thrawn, see above. Why no suspicions on me, when I also wrote a case on you and expressed interest in voting you? Also, give phagga a look over, and try and get some thoughts on him out. I heard he's got 3 votes now and you haven't voted. The suspense. The intrigue. Who will be lynched!? On September 29 2012 05:14 austinmcc wrote: EBWOP: I heard wrong about you not voting, but you can always move it. I already failed my own fun game. yeah. Right. | ||
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On September 29 2012 05:24 thrawn2112 wrote: who else could I possibly vote for? I mean I could have sat here and hoped that everyone will switch to sinensis but that is not going to happen Read on in the thread. That question was not about you. If you legitimately want to lynch me, go ahead and vote (well, you did vote already, but you know what I mean). Else there is still the possibility to no-lynch. regarding the thread, I explained our banter more here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16400144 | ||
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Why does my vote and suspicion on ottoxlol not stand out, but the vote on you does? | ||
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On September 29 2012 05:39 thrawn2112 wrote: Ok first, your first point against him was that he looks afraid to be lynched. Yes mafia are more afraid of being lynched than town but town still DO NOT want to be lynched. Especially D1 I'd think. So right off the bat it seems like you were making a big deal out of something that could be either town or mafia I don't share view, specially as there were no votes on Ottoxlol at that point. There was no reason for him to be afraid. | ||
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On September 29 2012 11:54 iamperfection wrote: phagga can you please explain your thinking in detail towards the end there especially at this juncture. At that quoted point I was not thinking much anymore. My decision to hammer thrawn was already made earlier. Let's go back 15 hours. On Friday morning I read the thread with the new various posts of ottoxlol. I had seen one of his defenses following my case the night before, now there even more. I came to the conclusion that he probably was not scum, and decided to take my vote from him in the next possible. At the same time, i got suspicious of Thrawn. However, I had a busy workday and found almost no time to read through filters and make a post. At lunch I made my unvote post (unvoted ottoxlol). I continued reading through thrawns stuff, looked at in context of the thread, made notes and prepared a post. At some Point ShiaoPi called me out and then voted me. However, I did not want to throw an unfinished post out there so I just kept ignoring it for the time being and worked on my case. Now, my biggest problem was that I was unsure how to deal with the situation. I wanted to hear more of thrawn, but feared he might get hammered shortly if i voted him (3 were voting him at the time). When I was pondering what to do, snb voted him, increasing the vote count to 4, and then I knew what to do. I posted my case and gave him until deadline -1 to show up in the thread and talk about the cases that came up. At that point I was unsure how the day would end. I was willing to hammer thrawn if necessary, but would have agreed with a no-lynch if he made a good defense. bluelightz voted for me, but I needed to go home to my family, so I posted some stuff from my mobile on the train, trying to discuss the various accusations against me. Later in the thread, thrawn comes in, resignated. Now, I just want to make one thing clear: Had thrawn not shown up at pretty much the last minute, I would have hammered him there already. However, when he arrived, I wanted to give him the chance to prove his innocence. His posts show that he either has not read the whole thread or completely disagrees with some stuff I wrote. I keep having a scummy read on him. Now the situation starts to change. Austin increases the pressure on me and encourages thrawn to read my filter and vote on me, if approriate. Thrawn votes, I'm 1 vote away from getting hammered. At this point I realize that a no-lynch is the worst option. Why? Normally a nolynch is a good option if town can not agree on a lynch target and spreads their votes over 3 or 4 targets, or if the primary lynch target turns out to be incredible townie at last moment. both was not the case here. Although I started getting my doubts about thrawn, I knew that if I did not hammer him, with the information available, I would regret letting him live the next day as he still looked scummy in my opinion. Also, we have two groups, one piling votes on me, the other piling votes on thrawn. With a nolynch, I feared we would be in the exact same situation next day, arguing about me and thrawn and not get anything else done. So about 30 minutes before deadline I decided to hammer him. then it was just waiting to see if new information came available that might be useful later. This is why I waited until about 3 minutes before deadline to hammer him when I had the feeling nothing useful would come anymore. I just want to make one thing absolutely clear. The case on thrawn did not come from one moment to the other. It built up in my mind over the whole day. However, I thought it was not important to let town know I was working on a possible case, so I never wrote anything about it. This is why my case was perceived as a drastic change of mind, while in reality the whole process lasted several hours. Why did I not inform you earlier? Well, I'm reading Vers analysis on Mafia XXX, and one thing that stands out is "keep town on a need to know basis". I thought town does not need to know I'm working on this case until it is finished. That was obviously wrong. Instead I let town know of other useless stuff in the beginning of the game (see bluelightz case on me). Looks like I still have to work on that one. If you have questions, ask away. I don't know yet when I will be online again, weekends are family time and it is very unpredictable for me to say when I will be online again, but hopefully I will make to the start of the new day. | ||
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I was surprised to see that it was only us 4 who were online. It was clear that blue and shiao would not be there, but expected more of the rest to be there. @Shiao i disagree wirh your case on Sinensis, as I thought too it was scummy how Austin suddenly switched and tried to push Thrawn into voting me. I even talked to austin about it. Had austin not died at night, I would have taken a closer look at him again. | ||
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On September 30 2012 17:00 Bluelightz wrote: I'm thinking of whacking phagga in the face or looking carefully at the thrawn voters. Why? | ||
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Claiming FAQ: Question: Why did you not claim yesterday when you were in danger of being lynched? Answer: Because that claim at that time would not helped at all. To confirm me, a possible blue role or the other boxer would have had to claim to proof that I'm not fakeclaiming. I did not want the other blue/boxer to reveal himself on D1, I'd rather be mislynched. Question: Why did you not wait until Lylo? Answer: At lylo, scum can fakeclaim making it possible for town to mislynch the person who rightfully claims Boxer and lose the game. Remember, boxers don't have any night actions to speak for themself, so their word is all you got. Question: Any Breadcrumbs? Answer: No. Even if I had breadcrumb, it would have been useless in this setup. Scum knew from the beginning that there was a boxer in this setup, and they could have posted a fake breadcrumb on D1 to support their fakeclaim later. (I actually tried to come up with a clever way to breadcrumb "Lim Yo Hwan" into one of my posts, but it was too much of a hassle, so i let it be.) Question: So, what's next? Answer: Well, let's see if someone wants to counterclaim, although I doubt it. In any case, I will have a harder look at ShiaoPi and iamperfection, which I have not really checked out so far, and be hopefully back in the next ~8 hours with some more comments on possible scum reads. | ||
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On September 30 2012 12:26 ShiaoPi wrote: @Sinensis: You seriously would have attempted a lynch on austin today? Please give me some details in how you came to the read of a thrawn/austin-scumteam during day 1. What did you make of the fact that austin would have had to be bussing in order to make your read work. I also want to get a damn good explanation how you go from this gem here: + Show Spoiler + On September 28 2012 19:17 Sinensis wrote: @ShiaoPi: My case against austinmcc was kind of weak, but there had only been 3 pages of discussion up till that point and I wanted to get my initial thoughts out into the open because I thought they would be relevant. I even said when I voted him that I was only voting him till he responded, and we had a whole dialog that you're welcome to go back and read. The thread was dead so I decided to pursue what initial reads I had. I have since changed my focus to Thrawn2112. I believe his incessant nitpicking of everyone's posts has been an effort to deflect attention from himself. I am not implying it is scummy to defend one's self, I am implying it is scummy to deflect blame. I have serious issues with his play. On September 30 2012 11:49 Sinensis wrote: Okay I'm caught up. First thoughts: austinmcc would have been my lynch candidate today if scum hadn't whacked him last night. For one, I was convinced thrawn was scum and I was convinced austinmcc was his scum buddy and that's what this was about: Well none of that matters now so I'm back at square one as far as reads go. For everyone's notepads: based on what I have read, I would not have changed my vote from thrawn even if I had been in the thread. He did a bad job making himself look like town. @iamperfection: You didn't even mention my name day 1, now I'm at the top of your reads day 2 just because I had to go to work? What made you change your mind about phagga? You never said? Oh wait there is no explanation since you are scum, figures I guess. ##vote: Sinensis I don't really get this. Why would Austin have had to be bussing to make Sinensis' read work, and why do you think Austins case on Thrawn (which was never followed up by vote, since that would have hammered thrawn) can not be seen as an attempt for a (theoretical) scum austin to buss his teammate? @iamperfection On September 30 2012 13:18 iamperfection wrote: thats a nice catch he had a break down in logic there. i agree that he is most likely to flip scum. ## Vote Sinesis Explain me the break down in logic, please. Perhaps I am just having a bad day, but I don't see it right now. | ||
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- Sinensis: A gut read. I still do not agree with Shiaos case, but something is creeping me out on his posting style. As I am unable to find what that is, I will do a meta check on him. - strongandbig: where is he? Although that does not necessarily make him scum. - Ottoxlol: Again. Slightly. His exchange with Bluelightz is strange. Calling his own case perfect several times although it was wrong, seems very odd. Hey Ottox, here's a hint: A perfect case always catches scum. I really want to get a better read on Sinensis, so that's where I will start Lastly, sorry for the low activity, some serious stuff is going down IRL currently. Will elaborate once game is over. | ||
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I don't want to lynch Ottox. I dont like some of his explanations, but not enough to feel his scum. I feel Snb and sInensis are abusing the low activity the most. Also: I dont like how snb has barely taken an Stances. Hes vote on thrawn is the only time he actually took a stannd somewhere, else he often writes about feelings and suspiciouns. Too unclear in his posts. Sinensis is talking a lot about mechanics, even his first vote was because of a mechanic question. I can imagine voting him, specially after falling off the radar on D2, but would prefer snb. I will not vote Bluelightz or iamp. I do not want a no lynch. ##Vote StrongandBig | ||
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I still struggle with trying to make the town more active. I tried to come up with meaningful topics for day 1 to discuss, but failed. Also, I need to cut the filler crap on my D1 posts. Obviously I was scummy although I tried hard to be the opposite. About the game, I would never have lynched Bluelightz. It was pretty obvious for me that he was more or less playing to his town meta. However, I thought the same of Iamperfect after comparing with his play in Rockband Mafia. About my D2 absence and replacement: 15 minutes after This Post I received a phone call from my stepfather. He informed me that my mother has had a cardiac arrest at night. 4 Days earlier they had removed a tumor from her throat. That night, the wound broke open again and blood got in her lung, which caused her circulation to shut down. They reanimated her immediatly, but her brain took severe damage. She died 30 hours later. So, yeah, I first thought I want to play on because it was a good distraction of all the shit going on at the time. However, I was on the road or the hospital the whole time and could only play from mobile, which sucks. Blazinghand was kind enough to offer me replacement, which I accepted. In hindsight, I should have asked for a replacement immediatly. Sorry for waiting so long. | ||
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