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I am Boxer. We are playing in a setup without roleblocker. After our medics death I needed some time to figure out every possible situation for me, and decided that now is the best time to claim.
Claiming FAQ:
Question: Why did you not claim yesterday when you were in danger of being lynched?
Answer: Because that claim at that time would not helped at all. To confirm me, a possible blue role or the other boxer would have had to claim to proof that I'm not fakeclaiming. I did not want the other blue/boxer to reveal himself on D1, I'd rather be mislynched.
Question: Why did you not wait until Lylo?
Answer: At lylo, scum can fakeclaim making it possible for town to mislynch the person who rightfully claims Boxer and lose the game. Remember, boxers don't have any night actions to speak for themself, so their word is all you got.
Question: Any Breadcrumbs?
Answer: No. Even if I had breadcrumb, it would have been useless in this setup. Scum knew from the beginning that there was a boxer in this setup, and they could have posted a fake breadcrumb on D1 to support their fakeclaim later. (I actually tried to come up with a clever way to breadcrumb "Lim Yo Hwan" into one of my posts, but it was too much of a hassle, so i let it be.)
Question: So, what's next?
Answer: Well, let's see if someone wants to counterclaim, although I doubt it. In any case, I will have a harder look at ShiaoPi and iamperfection, which I have not really checked out so far, and be hopefully back in the next ~8 hours with some more comments on possible scum reads.
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i rly dont have time to read the whole thread atm, but if someone else counterclaim, lynch him or phagga first then the other, if no one that would make phagga confirmed town if I am right
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On October 01 2012 06:40 Ottoxlol wrote:
i rly dont have time to read the whole thread atm, but if someone else counterclaim, lynch him or phagga first then the other, if no one that would make phagga confirmed town if I am right
Is that really all you have to say? The obvious...
What do you think of the case on Sinesis? Do you have any strong reads right now? I asked you questions before can you answer them please.
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Good claim by phagga afaik
If there is an other boxer claim ASAP
If there is a Nestea I don't know if you should claim but you probably should cause then we get a free scum kill.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Vote Count!
Sinensis (2) - iamperfection, ShiaoPi
Not Voting (5) - Bluelightz, Ottoxlol, Phagga, Sinensis, strongandbig,
With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.
Day ends in 39 hours on Tuesday, Oct 02 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 21:00 GMT (+00:00)
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
As a gentle reminder to all players, the guidelines in the OP state that you must post once every 36 hours.
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ShiaoPi
On September 30 2012 12:26 ShiaoPi wrote:@Sinensis: You seriously would have attempted a lynch on austin today? Please give me some details in how you came to the read of a thrawn/austin-scumteam during day 1. What did you make of the fact that austin would have had to be bussing in order to make your read work. I also want to get a damn good explanation how you go from this gem here: + Show Spoiler +On September 28 2012 19:17 Sinensis wrote:
@ShiaoPi: My case against austinmcc was kind of weak, but there had only been 3 pages of discussion up till that point and I wanted to get my initial thoughts out into the open because I thought they would be relevant. I even said when I voted him that I was only voting him till he responded, and we had a whole dialog that you're welcome to go back and read. The thread was dead so I decided to pursue what initial reads I had.
I have since changed my focus to Thrawn2112. I believe his incessant nitpicking of everyone's posts has been an effort to deflect attention from himself. I am not implying it is scummy to defend one's self, I am implying it is scummy to deflect blame. I have serious issues with his play. towards your scumread on austin you just spewed out...here for reference again: + Show Spoiler +On September 30 2012 11:49 Sinensis wrote:Okay I'm caught up. First thoughts: austinmcc would have been my lynch candidate today if scum hadn't whacked him last night. For one, I was convinced thrawn was scum and I was convinced austinmcc was his scum buddy and that's what this was about: Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 05:14 austinmcc wrote:
Let's play a game maybe?
##Vote: phagga
Thrawn, see above. Why no suspicions on me, when I also wrote a case on you and expressed interest in voting you? Also, give phagga a look over, and try and get some thoughts on him out. I heard he's got 3 votes now and you haven't voted.
The suspense. The intrigue. Who will be lynched!?
Well none of that matters now so I'm back at square one as far as reads go. For everyone's notepads: based on what I have read, I would not have changed my vote from thrawn even if I had been in the thread. He did a bad job making himself look like town.
@iamperfection: You didn't even mention my name day 1, now I'm at the top of your reads day 2 just because I had to go to work? What made you change your mind about phagga? You never said? Oh wait there is no explanation since you are scum, figures I guess. ##vote: Sinensis
I don't really get this. Why would Austin have had to be bussing to make Sinensis' read work, and why do you think Austins case on Thrawn (which was never followed up by vote, since that would have hammered thrawn) can not be seen as an attempt for a (theoretical) scum austin to buss his teammate?
@iamperfection
On September 30 2012 13:18 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 12:26 ShiaoPi wrote:okay I am up again time to get things rolling. GG austin With austin's flip we have some more information regarding the setup. If anyone has been roleblocked this night, claim please, like immediately. The setups are already narrowed down to 2 of the possible ones, while it may be a bit futile to discuss too much setup, it helps to know the exact one. If there is no roleblock I think we can assume the boxer/doc setup. Now towards the stuff I said just before. Phagga has been looking better in my opinion because of his long explanatory posts. At first they looked incredibly out of character but as he seems to be consistent within them, I am kind of backing down a bit on him now. Looking at the replacement thread it seems as if SnB is going to be replaced, as soon as the replacement is in game please give out reads and thoughts as soon as possible since SnB's lack of activity hurts the ability to read him. @Sinensis: You seriously would have attempted a lynch on austin today? Please give me some details in how you came to the read of a thrawn/austin-scumteam during day 1. What did you make of the fact that austin would have had to be bussing in order to make your read work. I also want to get a damn good explanation how you go from this gem here: + Show Spoiler +On September 28 2012 19:17 Sinensis wrote:
@ShiaoPi: My case against austinmcc was kind of weak, but there had only been 3 pages of discussion up till that point and I wanted to get my initial thoughts out into the open because I thought they would be relevant. I even said when I voted him that I was only voting him till he responded, and we had a whole dialog that you're welcome to go back and read. The thread was dead so I decided to pursue what initial reads I had.
I have since changed my focus to Thrawn2112. I believe his incessant nitpicking of everyone's posts has been an effort to deflect attention from himself. I am not implying it is scummy to defend one's self, I am implying it is scummy to deflect blame. I have serious issues with his play. towards your scumread on austin you just spewed out...here for reference again: + Show Spoiler +On September 30 2012 11:49 Sinensis wrote:Okay I'm caught up. First thoughts: austinmcc would have been my lynch candidate today if scum hadn't whacked him last night. For one, I was convinced thrawn was scum and I was convinced austinmcc was his scum buddy and that's what this was about: Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 05:14 austinmcc wrote:
Let's play a game maybe?
##Vote: phagga
Thrawn, see above. Why no suspicions on me, when I also wrote a case on you and expressed interest in voting you? Also, give phagga a look over, and try and get some thoughts on him out. I heard he's got 3 votes now and you haven't voted.
The suspense. The intrigue. Who will be lynched!?
Well none of that matters now so I'm back at square one as far as reads go. For everyone's notepads: based on what I have read, I would not have changed my vote from thrawn even if I had been in the thread. He did a bad job making himself look like town.
@iamperfection: You didn't even mention my name day 1, now I'm at the top of your reads day 2 just because I had to go to work? What made you change your mind about phagga? You never said? Oh wait there is no explanation since you are scum, figures I guess. ##vote: Sinensis@Iamperfection: you say your best way to prove your innocence is to hunt scum. Then fucking do so instead of saying "wow those mia guys are bad --->scum". I would be interested in why you think sinensis is scum, also flesh out your thoughts on SnB pleae instead of just saying he ain't around. thats a nice catch he had a break down in logic there. i agree that he is most likely to flip scum. ## Vote Sinesis
Explain me the break down in logic, please. Perhaps I am just having a bad day, but I don't see it right now.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
okay I was quite busy over the weekend, mid-autumn festival here. Let's get some stuff out:
@phagga:
for now I am inclined to believe his claim, if he does not end up dead next night I'll be seriously doubting him.
also in regards to sinensis and how his entire logic crumbled.
Austin would have had to be bussing for sinensis' read to work. Since he had a scumteam of austin/thrawn in mind. That obviously means that austin would have been bussing thrawn (even without a vote he was heavily inclined to lynch thrawn after I brought up phagga as target). Austin was not voting since he said he wanted as much discussion as possible, I also believe that it was quite obvious that he was town-aligned, played several games with austin already and that was like textbook town-austin. Therefore I am really having trouble to see him being read as scum by anybody. Onto the breakdown in logic.
The first quote quite clearly states that Sinensis never had austin as scumread, in the 2nd one he would have been top priority lynch suddenly. This simply does not add up.
@SnB:
Who would you want to lynch? I am having trouble establishing a read on you as well, because of lack of activity, you do remind me of LVIII though, where you flipped scum. Pleae start contributing more.
Also bluelightz, ottox and phagga:
Who do you want to lynch? Get active guys!
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Suddenly, my reads just got fucked up.
Anyway, I am currently gonna take a look at Sinensis. (as well as playing some games >.<)
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@ShiaoPi: You're still making a huge deal out of something I said hypothetically. If thrawn2112 had flipped scum, which he didn't so it doesn't it even matter, austinmcc switching votes at the last minute would have looked scummy. That's the last time I'm saying that. You've been so persistent about this completely negligible point I am questioning your motives.
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EBWOP I mean you've contributed nothing. You just copied two things I wrote out of context and claimed I had a "breakdown in logic." I would ask you to elaborate but i'm quicker to just question your motives at this point.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
@Sinensis:
I am making a huge deal out of the fact that what you posted day 1 and what you posted this day do not add up. It's clearly contradictory to say at first that the case on austin was only to get discussion and then to switch it around to have him as high scum read after he flips. It is a breakdown in logic. You have not left any hint of your suspicions on austin during day 1 and then he would have been a priority day 2?
Also in regards to austins switch. It was not having any effect in regards to the lynch. take a look at this votecount:
On September 29 2012 05:25 Blazinghand wrote:
Vote Count!
Thrawn2112 (4) - iamperfection, Ottoxlol, Sinesis, strongandbig
Phagga (4) - ShiaoPi, Bluelightz, austinmcc, Thrawn2112
Not Voting (1) -Phagga
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
Day ends in 34 minutes on Friday, Sep 28 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 21:00 GMT (+00:00)
It was obvious that phagga would not get lynched. There is no reason for a hypothetical scum-austin to switch onto phagga since the hammervote would still remain with phagga and he would obviously not lynch himself. I saw the switch much more as an means to get more discussion going. From the moment where only austin and phagga had not voted it was clear that phagga was not going to die this cycle. It would have been incredibly stupid as a scum-austin to bank on the possibility of someone else than phagga switching his vote and go all-in in order to save a hypothetical scum-thrawn. I know that it is WIFOMy but still the point remains that the chance of phagga getting lynched at the point of the switch were close to 0.
Seeing you now questioning my motives seems funny to me, since I know I am town (herpa derpa). So no, my vote will not move for now.
Where the fuck is everyone else btw?
Can anyone give some more reads/thoughts out?
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
@bluelightz:
Anything you got from rereading?
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On October 01 2012 22:13 ShiaoPi wrote:@Sinensis: I am making a huge deal out of the fact that what you posted day 1 and what you posted this day do not add up. It's clearly contradictory to say at first that the case on austin was only to get discussion and then to switch it around to have him as high scum read after he flips. It is a breakdown in logic. You have not left any hint of your suspicions on austin during day 1 and then he would have been a priority day 2? Also in regards to austins switch. It was not having any effect in regards to the lynch. take a look at this votecount: Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 05:25 Blazinghand wrote:
Vote Count!
Thrawn2112 (4) - iamperfection, Ottoxlol, Sinesis, strongandbig
Phagga (4) - ShiaoPi, Bluelightz, austinmcc, Thrawn2112
Not Voting (1) -Phagga
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
Day ends in 34 minutes on Friday, Sep 28 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 21:00 GMT (+00:00)
It was obvious that phagga would not get lynched. There is no reason for a hypothetical scum-austin to switch onto phagga since the hammervote would still remain with phagga and he would obviously not lynch himself. I saw the switch much more as an means to get more discussion going. From the moment where only austin and phagga had not voted it was clear that phagga was not going to die this cycle. It would have been incredibly stupid as a scum-austin to bank on the possibility of someone else than phagga switching his vote and go all-in in order to save a hypothetical scum-thrawn. I know that it is WIFOMy but still the point remains that the chance of phagga getting lynched at the point of the switch were close to 0. Seeing you now questioning my motives seems funny to me, since I know I am town (herpa derpa). So no, my vote will not move for now. Where the fuck is everyone else btw? Can anyone give some more reads/thoughts out?
anyone on the thrawn wagon could have switched their vote but i think were wasting time discussing the hypothetical crap.
What do you think of these guys such as bluelightz ottoxol, and strongandbig that haven't really said anything on day 2? Ottoxol takes my interest in particular he got himself in a little heat on day 1 through some of the things he said and now has decided to say nothing at all.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
That's the point with those 3 they are basically all lurkers for the purposes of today. I already said that I think ottox looks townish to me (at least he did day 1) but his absence is annoying. bluelightz is more or less a null-read right now. There is not much to make off and I am trying to get some answers from him (see my last post) in order to get a read on him. I also already voiced some concern on SnB, but with the general inactivity-fest this has become he (sadly) does not stand out....
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On October 01 2012 22:32 ShiaoPi wrote:
That's the point with those 3 they are basically all lurkers for the purposes of today. I already said that I think ottox looks townish to me (at least he did day 1) but his absence is annoying. bluelightz is more or less a null-read right now. There is not much to make off and I am trying to get some answers from him (see my last post) in order to get a read on him. I also already voiced some concern on SnB, but with the general inactivity-fest this has become he (sadly) does not stand out....
Ottoxol actually stands out to me because he was fairly active day 1 and got heat for it. Now hes hiding i think he could be scum because he is afraid to put his neck back out there.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
So you would be willing to let Sinensis go off the hook now?
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On October 01 2012 22:38 ShiaoPi wrote:
So you would be willing to let Sinensis go off the hook now?
not neccesarily but we have to do something to spurn more activity from that group. Unless your scum with sinensis and if that were true i would say gg wp.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5955 Posts
haha, I am town :>
But I doubt we could get them active by voting them...we had a blue flip in the night and a blue claim by day but still nobody is here, kind of depressing...
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On September 30 2012 15:18 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 22:14 Ottoxlol wrote:@austin On September 28 2012 07:29 austinmcc wrote:
Going out for a few hours. Would prefer we not lynch Ottox during that time. Then why didnt you unvote me? This post feels like you really don't care about it, but if we did you can point to this post later. Also I feel like your vote on phagga stood out from everyone else's, I just can't grasp it what decided that you won't lynch thrawn, you had both pinned as scummy but as far as your posts go I see you having more problems with thrawn then phagga. Could you tell me what made you decide that phagga is the better vote? And why didnt you push for phagga? @iamperfection You are here in the thread a lot, but doesnt participate in the discussion, why is that? @Bluelightz Who will you vote tomorrow? I feel like your case on phagga was one of the weakest and you did not seem interested in pushing for him or getting more from your other scumread Sinensis. and though i responded to this earlier i would like to know what you mean by active but not in discussion please.
I mean the thread was discussing phagga lynch and you didn't talk about it at all, I find it very strange that one would not tell his thoughts as town.
I don't feel like the case on Sinensis has any real points, his useless wifoming can be something to derail this awesomely active mafia game but idk, my gut says its nothing. I don't see where his logic failed (btw, I pinned austin as scummy too, this was only one of his scummy posts, I already posted N1 my suspicion on him.)
Iamperfection, you announced that you will start hunting scum, that you are suspicious of the 2 lurkers and phagga but did not provide anything why. After that Sinensis comes around with this useless "I would have voted austin if he's alive and thrawn is scum" and you vote him, even when I feel like your fos on SnB is much more viable. This is the post I am referring to
+ Show Spoiler +On September 29 2012 01:20 strongandbig wrote:
Okay so I retread Otto and thrawn's filters again.
I want to think otto is scum because I feel like "getting pissed because the case against you is bad or badly expressed" is usually a scum tell. Scum get mad because "they don't deserve to find me like that"
Townies get mad because "why won't they listen to me they're just being stubborn or having confirmation bias" but that usually only comes after they make a defense.
So fos for that on Otto.
But the thing is the rest of his filter doesn't feel scummy to me. He stuck with his suspicion of me but didn't over exaggerate it when I was posting weird and shitty stuff. And his stuff on the random lynch seemed retarded and purposely obtuse but when I retread it assuming he actually thought a random lynch meant "everyone randomize their vote" it is actually consistent.
In summary: Otto you need to post more and I don't like your reaction to pressure but at this point I don't want to lynch you.
So here's who I do want to lynch - thrawn.
This was the first time I read his filter all the way through, and I noticed two trends - lack of follow through and jumping reads. Look at his attacks on me and on Otto. He asks me about shiaopi and I just completely blow him off on account of not actually having read his post. But the thing is, he didn't push me on it except for a side comment at some point, because he'd moved on to Otto. Then he jumps to sinensis without actually explaining why his read on Otto changed, except that people were jumping off of Otto at that point.
So I think we should lunch thrawn.
I don't think we should no lynch. Unless I'm doing the math wrong, all that buys us is another no lunch. Yes that gives us extra time, but it also pretty much lets scum hand pick who is alive at lylo, it's not worth it.
So ##vote: thrawn2112
I really would like to get this thread active and I don't see any other way then to start lynching lurkers. If they care at all they can come back before hammering.
SnB not just lurks but posted this strange nolynch thingy.
My concern with Bluelightz is that he did not try to psh for phagga even tho he had a townread on thrawn, his case on phagga was very weak, he don't pursue his other scumread Sinensis at all.
##Vote: Bluelightz
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