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On September 29 2012 11:54 iamperfection wrote:phagga can you please explain your thinking in detail towards the end there especially at this juncture. Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 05:57 austinmcc wrote:On September 29 2012 05:56 iamperfection wrote:
5 min is a liftetime austin. Thoughts on phagga? Those would be the pressing ones. Followed by: On September 29 2012 03:43 austinmcc wrote:
iamperfection, two questions. (1) Have you played any games as scum, and if so, which (I'm so lazy)? (2) How do you read shiaopi right now, or...general thoughts on shiaopi?
At that quoted point I was not thinking much anymore. My decision to hammer thrawn was already made earlier.
Let's go back 15 hours. On Friday morning I read the thread with the new various posts of ottoxlol. I had seen one of his defenses following my case the night before, now there even more. I came to the conclusion that he probably was not scum, and decided to take my vote from him in the next possible. At the same time, i got suspicious of Thrawn. However, I had a busy workday and found almost no time to read through filters and make a post.
At lunch I made my unvote post (unvoted ottoxlol). I continued reading through thrawns stuff, looked at in context of the thread, made notes and prepared a post. At some Point ShiaoPi called me out and then voted me. However, I did not want to throw an unfinished post out there so I just kept ignoring it for the time being and worked on my case.
Now, my biggest problem was that I was unsure how to deal with the situation. I wanted to hear more of thrawn, but feared he might get hammered shortly if i voted him (3 were voting him at the time). When I was pondering what to do, snb voted him, increasing the vote count to 4, and then I knew what to do. I posted my case and gave him until deadline -1 to show up in the thread and talk about the cases that came up. At that point I was unsure how the day would end. I was willing to hammer thrawn if necessary, but would have agreed with a no-lynch if he made a good defense.
bluelightz voted for me, but I needed to go home to my family, so I posted some stuff from my mobile on the train, trying to discuss the various accusations against me.
Later in the thread, thrawn comes in, resignated. Now, I just want to make one thing clear: Had thrawn not shown up at pretty much the last minute, I would have hammered him there already. However, when he arrived, I wanted to give him the chance to prove his innocence. His posts show that he either has not read the whole thread or completely disagrees with some stuff I wrote. I keep having a scummy read on him.
Now the situation starts to change. Austin increases the pressure on me and encourages thrawn to read my filter and vote on me, if approriate. Thrawn votes, I'm 1 vote away from getting hammered. At this point I realize that a no-lynch is the worst option. Why?
Normally a nolynch is a good option if town can not agree on a lynch target and spreads their votes over 3 or 4 targets, or if the primary lynch target turns out to be incredible townie at last moment. both was not the case here. Although I started getting my doubts about thrawn, I knew that if I did not hammer him, with the information available, I would regret letting him live the next day as he still looked scummy in my opinion. Also, we have two groups, one piling votes on me, the other piling votes on thrawn. With a nolynch, I feared we would be in the exact same situation next day, arguing about me and thrawn and not get anything else done. So about 30 minutes before deadline I decided to hammer him.
then it was just waiting to see if new information came available that might be useful later. This is why I waited until about 3 minutes before deadline to hammer him when I had the feeling nothing useful would come anymore.
I just want to make one thing absolutely clear. The case on thrawn did not come from one moment to the other. It built up in my mind over the whole day. However, I thought it was not important to let town know I was working on a possible case, so I never wrote anything about it. This is why my case was perceived as a drastic change of mind, while in reality the whole process lasted several hours. Why did I not inform you earlier? Well, I'm reading Vers analysis on Mafia XXX, and one thing that stands out is "keep town on a need to know basis". I thought town does not need to know I'm working on this case until it is finished. That was obviously wrong. Instead I let town know of other useless stuff in the beginning of the game (see bluelightz case on me). Looks like I still have to work on that one.
If you have questions, ask away. I don't know yet when I will be online again, weekends are family time and it is very unpredictable for me to say when I will be online again, but hopefully I will make to the start of the new day.
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@austin
On September 28 2012 07:29 austinmcc wrote:
Going out for a few hours. Would prefer we not lynch Ottox during that time.
Then why didnt you unvote me? This post feels like you really don't care about it, but if we did you can point to this post later.
Also I feel like your vote on phagga stood out from everyone else's, I just can't grasp it what decided that you won't lynch thrawn, you had both pinned as scummy but as far as your posts go I see you having more problems with thrawn then phagga.
Could you tell me what made you decide that phagga is the better vote? And why didnt you push for phagga?
@iamperfection
You are here in the thread a lot, but doesnt participate in the discussion, why is that?
@Bluelightz
Who will you vote tomorrow? I feel like your case on phagga was one of the weakest and you did not seem interested in pushing for him or getting more from your other scumread Sinensis.
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On September 29 2012 22:14 Ottoxlol wrote:@austin Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 07:29 austinmcc wrote:
Going out for a few hours. Would prefer we not lynch Ottox during that time. Then why didnt you unvote me? This post feels like you really don't care about it, but if we did you can point to this post later. Also I feel like your vote on phagga stood out from everyone else's, I just can't grasp it what decided that you won't lynch thrawn, you had both pinned as scummy but as far as your posts go I see you having more problems with thrawn then phagga. Could you tell me what made you decide that phagga is the better vote? And why didnt you push for phagga? @iamperfection You are here in the thread a lot, but doesnt participate in the discussion, why is that? @Bluelightz Who will you vote tomorrow? I feel like your case on phagga was one of the weakest and you did not seem interested in pushing for him or getting more from your other scumread Sinensis.
Why is my case one of the weakest? I might vote phagga tomorrow, but I'm feeling like I should rethink phagga, although my brain still says phagga is scum. Also, How the fuck could I push phagga when I was asleep after posting my case (or my last post of day 1?)
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On September 29 2012 22:16 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 22:14 Ottoxlol wrote:@austin On September 28 2012 07:29 austinmcc wrote:
Going out for a few hours. Would prefer we not lynch Ottox during that time. Then why didnt you unvote me? This post feels like you really don't care about it, but if we did you can point to this post later. Also I feel like your vote on phagga stood out from everyone else's, I just can't grasp it what decided that you won't lynch thrawn, you had both pinned as scummy but as far as your posts go I see you having more problems with thrawn then phagga. Could you tell me what made you decide that phagga is the better vote? And why didnt you push for phagga? @iamperfection You are here in the thread a lot, but doesnt participate in the discussion, why is that? @Bluelightz Who will you vote tomorrow? I feel like your case on phagga was one of the weakest and you did not seem interested in pushing for him or getting more from your other scumread Sinensis. Why is my case one of the weakest? I might vote phagga tomorrow, but I'm feeling like I should rethink phagga, although my brain still says phagga is scum. Also, How the fuck could I push phagga when I was asleep after posting my case (or my last post of day 1?)
Your case on him was that he post too much useless things, and only that, this is why I found it kind a weak. You had a very strong town read on thrawn, and thats why it is kind of surprising that you did not try more, I suppose if you slept its ok.
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On September 29 2012 22:14 Ottoxlol wrote:@austin Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 07:29 austinmcc wrote:
Going out for a few hours. Would prefer we not lynch Ottox during that time. Then why didnt you unvote me? This post feels like you really don't care about it, but if we did you can point to this post later. Also I feel like your vote on phagga stood out from everyone else's, I just can't grasp it what decided that you won't lynch thrawn, you had both pinned as scummy but as far as your posts go I see you having more problems with thrawn then phagga. Could you tell me what made you decide that phagga is the better vote? And why didnt you push for phagga?
As to the first, here's what I wrote:On September 28 2012 11:43 austinmcc wrote:
I'll look over things again tomorrow morning and make sure, specifically check some other games of Ottox, but right now I don't think he's scum. Going to unvote for now, and will find a new target unless his past games give me a bad feeling.
The entire lack of a defense and lack of any effort at actually putting one up doesn't feel scummy to me. Other thoughts on that? I've had that feeling all afternoon, but was hoping maybe there would be more action created, votes or unvotes, or other candidates filtering up. It didn't generate too much, but oh well.
##Unvote
Basically, I found the way you reacted to votes to be townie. I need to look over it again because now you're kind of in my blind spot after I label you town in my head, but that's where you are. However, we needed SOMETHING to galvanize discussion. Votes on you, getting you close to lynch but not lynched, was something that I hoped to provide that. Anything would have been helpful, maybe picking out one of the later votes on you as scum (I thought thrawn's vote fit the bill) or seeing someone argue that you were town (Sinensis had that weird "unfairly voted for" line). Just figured that the longer someone was close to lynch, the more discussion we could generate.
So I didn't want you lynched, but I wanted something to be actively happening in the thread, and having someone close to the chopping block was what we had. Therefore, I didn't want to unvote and weaken the only action going on in thread, but I didn't want you to actually get lynched.
You're correct about me wanting to lynch Thrawn. If phagga wasn't going to vote him then I was. I liked both for scum and so, again, figured maybe something would shake out if both got close in the voting and we could get pressure on them. But I didn't want to lynch him right away since he'd been gone so much of the time he had lots of votes and we basically had no information from him for much of the day. Voting phagga and getting pressure on phagga in addition to Thrawn seemed like the most useful thing to do with my vote if I wasn't going to hammer Thrawn early.
If anyone had come in thread and moved a vote from Thrawn to phagga, I would have happily entertained that lynch as well, so I felt fine having my vote on non-Thrawn since either lynch was good imo.
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@austin
However despite your efforts(?) not too much of a discussion emerged even though iamperfection was in the thread.
You voted at .15, then waited half an hour, asked if anyone around at .45, then when iamp .52 posted that was too late for discussion for you, when he replied that its still a plenty of time you had a question for him at 57 (moments before the lynch). If your main priority was to stir up the thread a bit why wait so long? Also why not make a nice case on him that you can point to, instead of just asking "what do you think about phagga"? I feel somehow the same with the thing in my previous post about unvoting me, you seem to put a lot of effort into the game but doesnt care at all about who we lynch.
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On September 29 2012 21:56 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 11:54 iamperfection wrote:phagga can you please explain your thinking in detail towards the end there especially at this juncture. On September 29 2012 05:57 austinmcc wrote:On September 29 2012 05:56 iamperfection wrote:
5 min is a liftetime austin. Thoughts on phagga? Those would be the pressing ones. Followed by: On September 29 2012 03:43 austinmcc wrote:
iamperfection, two questions. (1) Have you played any games as scum, and if so, which (I'm so lazy)? (2) How do you read shiaopi right now, or...general thoughts on shiaopi?
At that quoted point I was not thinking much anymore. My decision to hammer thrawn was already made earlier. Let's go back 15 hours. On Friday morning I read the thread with the new various posts of ottoxlol. I had seen one of his defenses following my case the night before, now there even more. I came to the conclusion that he probably was not scum, and decided to take my vote from him in the next possible. At the same time, i got suspicious of Thrawn. However, I had a busy workday and found almost no time to read through filters and make a post. At lunch I made my unvote post (unvoted ottoxlol). I continued reading through thrawns stuff, looked at in context of the thread, made notes and prepared a post. At some Point ShiaoPi called me out and then voted me. However, I did not want to throw an unfinished post out there so I just kept ignoring it for the time being and worked on my case. Now, my biggest problem was that I was unsure how to deal with the situation. I wanted to hear more of thrawn, but feared he might get hammered shortly if i voted him (3 were voting him at the time). When I was pondering what to do, snb voted him, increasing the vote count to 4, and then I knew what to do. I posted my case and gave him until deadline -1 to show up in the thread and talk about the cases that came up. At that point I was unsure how the day would end. I was willing to hammer thrawn if necessary, but would have agreed with a no-lynch if he made a good defense. bluelightz voted for me, but I needed to go home to my family, so I posted some stuff from my mobile on the train, trying to discuss the various accusations against me. Later in the thread, thrawn comes in, resignated. Now, I just want to make one thing clear: Had thrawn not shown up at pretty much the last minute, I would have hammered him there already. However, when he arrived, I wanted to give him the chance to prove his innocence. His posts show that he either has not read the whole thread or completely disagrees with some stuff I wrote. I keep having a scummy read on him. Now the situation starts to change. Austin increases the pressure on me and encourages thrawn to read my filter and vote on me, if approriate. Thrawn votes, I'm 1 vote away from getting hammered. At this point I realize that a no-lynch is the worst option. Why? Normally a nolynch is a good option if town can not agree on a lynch target and spreads their votes over 3 or 4 targets, or if the primary lynch target turns out to be incredible townie at last moment. both was not the case here. Although I started getting my doubts about thrawn, I knew that if I did not hammer him, with the information available, I would regret letting him live the next day as he still looked scummy in my opinion. Also, we have two groups, one piling votes on me, the other piling votes on thrawn. With a nolynch, I feared we would be in the exact same situation next day, arguing about me and thrawn and not get anything else done. So about 30 minutes before deadline I decided to hammer him. then it was just waiting to see if new information came available that might be useful later. This is why I waited until about 3 minutes before deadline to hammer him when I had the feeling nothing useful would come anymore. I just want to make one thing absolutely clear. The case on thrawn did not come from one moment to the other. It built up in my mind over the whole day. However, I thought it was not important to let town know I was working on a possible case, so I never wrote anything about it. This is why my case was perceived as a drastic change of mind, while in reality the whole process lasted several hours. Why did I not inform you earlier? Well, I'm reading Vers analysis on Mafia XXX, and one thing that stands out is "keep town on a need to know basis". I thought town does not need to know I'm working on this case until it is finished. That was obviously wrong. Instead I let town know of other useless stuff in the beginning of the game (see bluelightz case on me). Looks like I still have to work on that one. If you have questions, ask away. I don't know yet when I will be online again, weekends are family time and it is very unpredictable for me to say when I will be online again, but hopefully I will make to the start of the new day.
so you are saying you were not aware of the situation when i announced my presence correct?
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On September 29 2012 22:14 Ottoxlol wrote:@austin Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 07:29 austinmcc wrote:
Going out for a few hours. Would prefer we not lynch Ottox during that time. Then why didnt you unvote me? This post feels like you really don't care about it, but if we did you can point to this post later. Also I feel like your vote on phagga stood out from everyone else's, I just can't grasp it what decided that you won't lynch thrawn, you had both pinned as scummy but as far as your posts go I see you having more problems with thrawn then phagga. Could you tell me what made you decide that phagga is the better vote? And why didnt you push for phagga? @iamperfection You are here in the thread a lot, but doesnt participate in the discussion, why is that? @Bluelightz Who will you vote tomorrow? I feel like your case on phagga was one of the weakest and you did not seem interested in pushing for him or getting more from your other scumread Sinensis.
If you have something you want to say just say it. i don't know what that means im here a lot but i don't participate? wtf
I thought thrawn was scum i was wrong.
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okay I had less time than I thought I would...Just saying now before sleeping:
I gave SnB more or less a freeride for being in transit, would be interested to see more from him
phagga has kind of weakened my suspicions on him a bit, but I am still uncertain about him.
Sinensis and iamperfection are also on my watchlist. For different reasons though. Sinensis has some stuff that has been pointed out already and I am too tired right now to dig up the other things. Iamperfection deserves some closer inspection for being around quite often but not doing that much, also he started the thrawn mislynch with pretty weak reasoning.
sorry for the lack of fleshing stuff out but I am tired and heading to bed now. Hopefully I am still alive after the deadline to elaborate.
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ebwop: obviously I know that pointing out half of the remaining players as scummy is not really that useful but whatever.
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On September 30 2012 00:01 Ottoxlol wrote:
@austin
However despite your efforts(?) not too much of a discussion emerged even though iamperfection was in the thread.
You voted at .15, then waited half an hour, asked if anyone around at .45, then when iamp .52 posted that was too late for discussion for you, when he replied that its still a plenty of time you had a question for him at 57 (moments before the lynch). If your main priority was to stir up the thread a bit why wait so long? Also why not make a nice case on him that you can point to, instead of just asking "what do you think about phagga"? I feel somehow the same with the thing in my previous post about unvoting me, you seem to put a lot of effort into the game but doesnt care at all about who we lynch.
I didn't care much about who we lynched yesterday between those two.
I posted a little on phagga earlier in the day, but no, no big case. ShiaoPi and Bluelightz covered a lot of his play, I gave my thoughts on Shiao's case and then had some questions for phagga late.
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Going to start getting some thoughts into thread. Everyone should be doing this. SUPER DUPER WALL OF TEXT ACTIVITE!!!!! My rough reads right now are:
Ottoxlol - Because of his response to pressure, although we need to make sure that not to just write him off as town and never scrutinize him.
ShiaoPi - I can see where a lot of his questions are coming from, but I wish he'd get more completed thoughts into the thread. At some points shiao is very vague - phagga has kind of weakened my suspicions on him a bit, but I am still uncertain about him.
Sinensis and iamperfection are also on my watchlist. For different reasons though. Sinensis has some stuff that has been pointed out already and I am too tired right now to dig up the other things. Iamperfection deserves some closer inspection for being around quite often but not doing that much, also he started the thrawn mislynch with pretty weak reasoning. but he calls attention to that and has not been so throughout the game. Also not entirely sure that scum would suggest a new lynch target in phagga when votes were coming so slowly and could have mislynched thrawn yesterday. That bit is entirely speculative and not worth much.
Bluelightz - I don't know bluelightz play well. Will have to look it over if I survive. He tossed out a decent number of reads during the day (Initially ottox and I were scum, then Sinensis/phagga) and gave occasional other thoughts. However, especially on the sinensis/phagga reads, it feels like he just gives very cursory explanations. Whereas his thoughts on Ottox and I were spelled out a little more, then second set feels a little weaker, and I'm unsure what to make of that.
strongandbig - Right now, when I think of snb, I think of this post:On September 28 2012 15:14 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 07:55 strongandbig wrote:Ebwop On September 28 2012 05:29 Sinensis wrote:
I think Ottoxlol believes he's being unfairly voted for. Why do you say this please elaborate. This is important
Sinensis's weird offhand remark about ottox was something that looked weird, and I like that snb seemed to pick that up. But he never gave ANY thoughts on it. He just asks sinensis to elaborate, says it's "important," but doesn't say anything about that comment himself and never returns to it. A lot of the rest of his filter is just nothing or tiny bits on the random lynch, which says nothing about alignment. I still want to hear more from snb regarding sinensis's comment and elaboration.
Sinensis - Look at his D1. Early on, pretty active. Very critical of me, hounding me somewhat, seems interested and has a read and is pushing it. Later in the day though, there are lots of little things that concern me: this post - + Show Spoiler +On September 28 2012 05:29 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 04:46 phagga wrote:
Sinensis, while you are here, I would like to know your stance on Ottoxlol. I think Ottoxlol believes he's being unfairly voted for. I'm null on him. I think the worst thing he's done is instead of formulating a proper defense (against something that really didn't need defending against), he tried to shift the blame onto others...BUT he wasn't trying to shift the blame onto 1 or 2 other people, he was trying to shift the blame back onto everyone. That's why I think he just believes he's being treated unfairly and is just lashing out at everyone else. This doesn't strike me as scummy so much as just bad town play. Aside from that all he's done is be critical of SnB's play. Which I understand because SnB has been posting weird stuff this game. First there was the random lynch suggestion. He posted this too: Show nested quote +On September 27 2012 05:22 strongandbig wrote:
what about vt's fakeclaiming boxer
lets all claim boxer I've said a lot already about why VTs shouldn't be fake claiming. Was SnB fishing for people to agree with him or is he suggesting something that benefits mafia on purpose? ANYWAY I just think Ottoxlol is understandably concerned with SnB's play, and I think in the future Ottoxlol should start making proper defenses instead of blaming everyone else. Look at how wishy washy his READ on Ottox is despite all these strong statements. "I think Ottoxlol believes he is being unfairly voted for" "The worst thing he's done is x, x doesn't strike me as scummy so much as bad town play" "The only other thing he's done is be critical of SnB's play. Which I understand..." To me, those ALL look like they should generate a town read, at least when taken together. But Sinensis is null. And that "unfairly voted for" bit still just feels...it's weird. It's a weird conclusion to pull out. On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:
@Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets. Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking.
What do you have to say about that? On September 28 2012 13:34 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 13:19 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:
##Unvote austinmcc is being logical, compliant, and is saying things I agree with so I can't justify voting for him today anymore. Even though I disagree with him about hammer votes, he is right about it being largely irrelevant.
@Bluelightz: Your vote had the least amount of analysis behind it of any vote so far. Are you sticking with your vote or was that just to put pressure on austinmcc to start scum hunting? I will be curious to see if you and austinmcc have a dialog.
@Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets. Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking.
What do you have to say about that? First what are you talking about with this part? " Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players" Also could you be more specific with the accusations? I am accusing you of sabotaging meaningful discussion by nit picking everyone's posts. I think you're doing this because people are voting for you and you're looking for ANYTHING that will get the spotlight off you. The problem isn't with 1 or 2 of your posts, it's most of them. How would you like me to be more specific? On September 28 2012 14:05 Sinensis wrote:
That's not a response, that's a bunch of semi sarcastic questions; half of which you answered yourself. No thanks.
##Vote: Thrawn2112
I'm keeping my vote here for now. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks too. Note his vote post. He wants to see what everyone else thinks. But he never does. He doesn't talk with ANYONE in the thread really after voting thrawn. See: On September 28 2012 16:13 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 15:14 strongandbig wrote:On September 28 2012 07:55 strongandbig wrote:Ebwop On September 28 2012 05:29 Sinensis wrote:
I think Ottoxlol believes he's being unfairly voted for. Why do you say this please elaborate. This is important top of page 10 On September 28 2012 16:19 Sinensis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 15:18 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 28 2012 14:05 Sinensis wrote:
That's not a response, that's a bunch of semi sarcastic questions; half of which you answered yourself. No thanks.
##Vote: Thrawn2112
I'm keeping my vote here for now. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks too. Those are serious questions I want you to answer, and they address the the problems I have with your accusations. Anyways, Sinensis makes this comment: On September 27 2012 04:52 Sinensis wrote:On September 27 2012 04:45 phagga wrote:On September 27 2012 03:35 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 27 2012 00:16 phagga wrote:On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you? On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of text barf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it. On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly. Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some? Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken. Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself. But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone? You guys have spent several posts shifting around blame for nothing. I'm just making a note of it. I addressed this earlier. Going so far as to call it out and say he's "just making a note of it" all reads like he was suspicious of our actions. When I asked him to further elaborate, he said: On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote:On September 27 2012 21:40 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 27 2012 04:52 Sinensis wrote:On September 27 2012 04:45 phagga wrote:On September 27 2012 03:35 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 27 2012 00:16 phagga wrote:On September 26 2012 06:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
sup. how about that LoL? I fear we may all be out of a job soon On September 26 2012 06:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
i would be down for rando lynch
i will flip a coin.
heads it's me, and tails it's you? On September 26 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
most boring start to a mafia game i've been a part of yet. at least we're not spending forever talking about lurkers tho
who wants me to write walls of text barf text this game? don't test me, i'll do it. On September 26 2012 23:10 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah but I'd assume that goes without saying So much for talking about "useless shit". Also I was trying to shut the discussion about time zones down immediatly. Meanwhile all you have done (besides the quotes above) is talking about hammering someone, and you are just echoing others. How about you start contributing some? Do you actually think those posts aren't contributions or are you just jumpy because I ragged on something you were posting about? I see you've made a nice spin-doctored and out of context version of my filter. Serious question btw Texting from mobile cause cable modem is broken. Yes they are out of context, but they don't improve when read in context. . I quoted them because you said I was posting useless stuff, when you had done exactly that yourself. I just wanted to show that you were contradicting yourself. But tell me, thrawn, who is a scummy person in this game, and why? Do you already see someone? You guys have spent several posts shifting around blame for nothing. I'm just making a note of it. "just making a note of it" Wanna say anything further than that? No, do you? "Ur useless!" "No ur useless!" "No ur uselesser!" Isn't helping anyone and is probably making both of you angry. There's no reason to do that. He doesn't say anything about him thinking it was suspicious. Just that it was probably making us angry so we shouldn't act like that. No hint of suspicion at all there. I pointed that out to him and asked him if what he was thinking at the time of the original post and his response was: On September 28 2012 11:08 Sinensis wrote:On September 28 2012 07:06 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 28 2012 04:42 Sinensis wrote:
No, do you?
"Ur useless!"
"No ur useless!"
"No ur uselesser!"
Isn't helping anyone and is probably making both of you angry. There's no reason to do that. When you say something like "I'm making a note of it" to me that suggests that you're implying there's something scummy going on but you don't want to come right out and say what it is, but that's not what I'm getting from this last response. Were you suspicious of how we were interacting? Mafia members sometimes have useless little disagreements like you were doing, especially early on, in order to create distance between them in the town's eyes. So I made a note of it. So now his stance is that he was suspicious of us maybe being mafia and faking a disagreement. I see no consistency between his first post and his last. He has also completely disregarded my defense, and something I want to point out about his case against me is this: On September 28 2012 13:55 thrawn2112 wrote:On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:@Thrawn2112: I accuse you of only going after other people in order to direct attention away from yourself, and I accuse you of picking easy targets. So if I were to not go after other people that would somehow be better than what I've been doing? Well of course not. So how are you making the distinction that I'm trying to direct attention from myself? Are the accusations or questions I've posted scummy looking? Basically it seems like you are accusing me of "too much scumhunting" without going into detail about how the scumhunting looks suspicious. On September 28 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote:Also, I accuse you of trying to disrupt communication between other players. You're quick to nit pick every post we make but you rarely follow through with your nit picking. I'm trying to disrupt communication? So I'm just supposed to sit back and let everyone talk to each other and then come in afterwards with my read without being able to ask people questions beforehand? And I think "rarely follow through" is an exaggeration. Which "nitpicks" do you have a problem with? Is your concern about the number of them or the usefulness of them? What I want you to be more specific about is exact cases you're accusing me over. Tell me which ones you're actually talking about. You've just made some general statements about my play without actually saying which specific examples you think are scummy and why, and honestly I'm a little wary about how genuine your intentions are. He makes a case against me that's full of general statements about my play. I address each of his concerns and ask for specific examples of what I've done is scummy. He responds by not answering or talking about a single thing I posted in that defense and brushes it aside and votes for me. ##Unvote##Vote Sinensis What is that, 1000 words plus later and you STILL haven't disagreed with my accusations? ALL you have done is shift blame to me. My vote is in the right place. On September 28 2012 19:17 Sinensis wrote:
@ShiaoPi: My case against austinmcc was kind of weak, but there had only been 3 pages of discussion up till that point and I wanted to get my initial thoughts out into the open because I thought they would be relevant. I even said when I voted him that I was only voting him till he responded, and we had a whole dialog that you're welcome to go back and read. The thread was dead so I decided to pursue what initial reads I had.
I have since changed my focus to Thrawn2112. I believe his incessant nitpicking of everyone's posts has been an effort to deflect attention from himself. I am not implying it is scummy to defend one's self, I am implying it is scummy to deflect blame. I have serious issues with his play. Look at his posts. "I want to see what everyone else thinks." But what does he do after voting and making that comment? He responds to an SnB question and a ShiaoPi question (So we know he's reading thread at those 2 points, but not commenting on anything else or doing anything or trying to push his thrawn read/be at all involved in the thrawn lynch). I don't like how he's on me, then on thrawn, then just detached. Why does his play change? Why does he not push thrawn, or comment on any other thrawn case?
Phagga - Giving a cursory read here, see comments yesterday. ShiaoPi and Bluelightz have some good points. Blah blah. Interesting, but not necessarily scummy, is his response to iamperfection's deadline question during the night. iamperfection asks for phagga's thinking in detail towards the end of the day, especially when I'm asking about him with 5 minutes to go. What does phagga post? This enormous wall of text discussing his read throughout the entire day, his thought process on all sorts of people, concerns about a no lynch, etc. It felt kind of out of place, like he was asked the question, but was worried about being scrutinized and voted for, so he responded to a bunch of questions or concerns that weren't being raised.
iamperfection - Look at his filter. It's chock full of one liners, of single questions that he never follows up on. Needs to be compared against past play, but there are SO MANY one liners and dangling questions. There are very few full, original thoughts. His thrawn vote was...I guess people vote sometimes of single things they find scummy, but it felt like something that a townie would do in a rush, then later change his vote or explain his vote further. I overreacted, found that thing you did scummy, but this other guy is entirely scummy OR I overreacted and voted you for x, but then I went through your filter and, you know what, I like my vote because of x, y, z. He just NEVER gives much out in the way of thoughts, never follows up the questions he asks, I really don't love this filter.
D2 my strongest candidates right now would be imperfection and sinensis I think, as odd as that sounds given my concerns about phagga yesterday and my vote on him. I need to look him back over a little closer with thrawn green, but I don't have a town read, just...iamperfection and sinensis's filters don't look great.
Most of my reads are WEAK this game though because there's so little to go on.
If I die, please consider these thoughts. If I die, MAKE SURE that the following things get repeatedly brought up, explained, scrutinized, whatever:- Sinensis's weird "unfairly accused" comment
- SnB's lack of followup
- iamperfection's tiny posts and lack of followup
- ANYONE who offhand said they had a townread on someone (iamperfection had this offhand comment on me, a couple people commented that they had townreads on ottox or thrawn without backing those up). Track those posts down, remember them.
If I'm not around tomorrow, there should be some contribution exercises. Everyone should list 3 people they find scummy. Seen Chezinu do that in a few threads and it seems like a good way to get some reads out and to make everyone THINK and to make everyone do so without tunneling a single player. Game is so small that there's no need to tunnel hard, everyone can read the entire thread and everyone should be noticing things out of the corner of their eyes. Something like...top 3 people you find scummy, one post that you find VERY TOWNIE from anyone, one post that you find VERY SCUMMY from anyone, and reasons why. We have 72-hour days. Someone should enforce this, really make it happen. It sounds dumb, you may think it's dumb, but we really need participation from all corners.
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EBWOP: ACTIVATE!!!! 
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So many people with almost nothing overnight (me included)
Sinensis and SnB with NOTHING overnight.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Day 2
Nick Plott looks around nervously. He's sitting in a meeting room at the studio, where his old friend Kim Sung Je has asked to meet him. Given then darkness that looms over everyone, he is anxious. Dan Stemkoski is at physical rehabilitation, so he's alone in his search for the truth, and for clues, until he returns. It's not easy, and he's worried, for himself, and for everything that esports ever stood for. When all is said and done, Nick feels out of his depth. But that's never stopped him before, and it won't stop him now.
Kim Sung Je said he'd found a way to fight off the cheese. Dan had almost discovered it himself, which is why he was still alive-- but if it was perfected, perhaps everyone could be safe. It was a method, a way of thinking, a mindset that allowed you to fight it. With this in your hands you couldn't truly save yourself, but you could make those around you safe, and if enough people learned it they would all be safe.
He wouldn't be able to cure Dan, but he be damned if he let those fuckers get at his friend and co-worker again. Tastosis was not meant to be broken up, ever. For some time, the BW progamer turned caster sat back and contemplated his career, his life, and his friends. Like everything else, they had been pushed to the limited by this series of attacks. He was a smart guy, though, and he'd find a way. He always did. His brother Sean was doing well enough on his webshow, perhaps something like that would be more up his alley in the future...
Minutes passed, and soon half an hour had. Nick frowned. It wasn't like HopeTorture to be late to a meeting. With a bit of nervousness, he stepped outside the meeting room and walked down the hall, looking for his friend.
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It turned out others found the progamer first. Beaten to a pulp and drowning beneath a sea of cheese curds, grease, and salt, he was barely able to move, or even breathe. Tasteless helped them carry the man to the ambulance, weight down by a great sorrow. He was so close to finding a way to fight the cheese, and he had been cheesed. Who was next? How could they fight this? Perhaps there was no hope after all...
Time dragged on nonetheless, and soon the young man found himself in the casting seat once again next to Artosis. Word spread across the internet again, somberly but quickly. Threads on teamliquid.net popped up speculating vast conspiracy theories and were shot down by the moderators. But the top-upvoted thread on reddit spoke of the possibility of Mr Chae's death being faked as an effort to kill esports. The Sc2 community was tearing itself apart.
austinmcc as Kim Sung Je the HopeTorture has been cheesed into a coma!
Welcome to Day 2! This Day ends in ~72 hours at Tuesday, Oct 02 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 21:00 GMT (+00:00).
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
The following players have not posted in over 24 hours and are in danger of being modkilled for inactivity:
Sinensis
strongandbig
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I tried to find a picture of the Cheetos mascot ODed on cheese. No dice. Just create one in your mind and place it here.
gg town I guess.
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Sorry 2 doubles at work didn't have time to post. Let me catch up hold your horse(s).
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
The following player is being warned for inactivity:
strongandbig
Please post once every 36 hours in the game thread.
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guys i think the best way for me to prove my innocence is to simply go forward and hunt scum Austincc was right my day 1 actions were not very good. The truth is i thought i found scum and i got lazy that is the truth but its in the past and i cant change what i did. When i saw that comment that thrawn made i thought it was just like the comment that zeph made in my last game where he was sk. It was stupid of me and i got tunnel vision.
Now to move forward and find scum. Sinesis and Strongandbig have both gone mia. Now it is possible, and it seems like sinensis is back now possibly?, that they had IRL reasons for drops in activity. However there is no town motivation in it what so ever
I want to hear from both of them more going forward.
Also
I want to hear more from phagga
He did a good job explaining his thought process leading up to the final moments but i am more intrested in hearing what he thought after i announce my presence.
I will try to answer any questions you guys ask of me but i would rather move forward with a better day2 and try and find scum.
As of right now i would say Sinesis and strongandbig are tied for my top scumread with phagga in a somewhat distant 2nd.
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