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i never played a game with clues, but obviously use them they are there to help i never played a game starting with a night, doesn't this mean that voting people is useless? shady sands trolling isn't indicative of his alignment but im happy he is going to try and be useful. VE's vote doesn't make any sense to me, neither does kush's. | ||
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On October 01 2012 13:18 kushm4sta wrote: He's a lynch I can feel good about even if he flips green. ##Vote: Kushm4sta Pretty self explanatory. | ||
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On October 01 2012 21:34 kushm4sta wrote: lynching someone you don't think is scum is common. it's called a policy lynch. also no one who I want to lynch is getting lynched, so I might as well join this bandwagon because I don't like shady 's play Who did you actually want to lynch that supposedly is not getting lynched? You never really pushed anyone very hard so, it's not like you even attempted to do the leg work on getting anyone lynched other than joining the shadywagon. | ||
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@kingjames, your completely right that my filter and effort so far is pretty shit. But I don't see why you would chose me over the 10 other people who has like 3-5 posts with minimal substance. Can you give us a scum read with a better more fleshed out explanation that can be discussed and cause some sort of additional discussion? As per marvs / others point on Kushs meta im going to ##Unvote As it seems he doesn't make any sense regardless of alignment and has shown similar thoughts and logic loops in other games. When is the deadline? 7.5 hours? I won't be making any lynch deadlines if thats the case. I will have to re look through for a good lynch target. | ||
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Shady Sands: I put a placeholder vote on shady because he is the best lynch candidate currently being voted for in my opinion. He did his trolling thing, which can't be indicative of alignment because it was said Pre PM, however people could do this for an out as scum. His whole trolling explanation seems a bit off, but similar "plans" have been done as town before. The real problem is how he says "I am back in the thread gotta read" Then basically defends himself, and says "see kush troll and leaves" One of his votes was done in troll mode, and the other was because Zboson voted him for trolling. He hasn't given a read or posted since. However, he never actually voted in vote thread so is on schedule to be modkilled. kingjames01: I feel like a lot of the case on him was based on people saying he slipped spy. Not only is this role not in the role list, he further explained himself from evidence from another thread. The fact that so many people voting him without even checking the setup or just being ignorant to the fact makes me think he is town. He got caught up defending himself on the whole contrived bit, which was stupid, but why would scum spend so much time obviously posting about nothing to explain themselves. He called me out, and hell I would have too because I usual am much more active day 1, and wasn't at the time. kushm4sta: Originally thought he was scum, but after this post: On October 01 2012 23:33 marvellosity wrote: kush as townie: Will vote for policy lynches just fine, check Calls Cubu probably not mafia but is happy to have his vote on him, check He also admitted he doesn't give a shit about logic, which shows in almost all of his posts. Another one of those players I guess. VisceraEyes: Making cases on multiple people and all over the place. Seems like typical day 1 VE to me. Now to search for scum since shady sands most likely will be modkilled. | ||
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On October 03 2012 08:54 mkfuba07 wrote: I don't like that mementoss shows up, reiterates a bunch of things that others have said, then parks his vote on someone who is undeniably not being helpful. He then disappears for over a day after saying he was going to search for scum. He also points out that kush wasn't doing anything to push his scumreads and then joins the shadywagon. Then he does pretty much the same thing. Leaning scum. I agree, I pretty much skimmed the thread, and wasn't helpful. I will catch up on the last 15 pages. I will hopefully make it up to the town by doing my best to catch the whole scum team day 2, or at least provoke some good discussion that will allow the players better than me to do so. | ||
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On October 03 2012 23:18 austinmcc wrote: Okay I was definitely hit last night. Thanks for the prot. How do you know this? If its not beneficial to me or the town don't answer. Lol marv ##Vote: Marvellosity | ||
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On October 04 2012 04:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote: That is the single most amusing outing of a scum I have seen since A RNG shot toad a few games ago. Shitty that you were punished for bad play Marv, but well, if it makes you feel any worse.... I survived your shot. Thank you magical man who saved my life, as I didn't want to die again before day 2. Why do you think marv shot you? | ||
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On October 04 2012 04:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Mementoss this thread's lack of your minty freshness makes me sad in the pants. I guess I will just have to freshen this thread up!! No but srsly I should start finding the whole scum team. Help me out VE, who is the scum and who is not the scum. | ||
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On October 04 2012 04:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I find it highly unlikely a town vig shot me over any of the other players in the game tbh. Given that I was shot and survived I assume it was the mafia and thus thanking the magical medic. Yeah I can't see town shooting you, how do you know you were shot though? Did I miss something? | ||
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On October 04 2012 05:14 marvellosity wrote: this seems like the perfect place to be bitter. seems like your taking a page out of hiropros playbook from rockband lol | ||
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I was going to do this last minute but I cant stay up till the flip so sub optimal play coming up | ||
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On October 08 2012 22:55 Mementoss wrote: guys I was going to do this last minute but I cant stay up till the flip so sub optimal play coming up nvm going to thanksgiving now. Don't have a smart phone is gg. | ||
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Breadcrumb, the only breadcrumb would be I changed my quote to "mommy whats a gravedigger" cause I imagined the medical examiner digging up dead people to examine them. The other would be how I exchanged words with BC after he claimed he was shot. Okay to the more juicy stuff. Night 1: I watched BC, BC was visited by Node(Hapa) or the mafia vigilante. So he did not lie about the shot. However, he did lie about being medic protected. On October 04 2012 04:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote: That is the single most amusing outing of a scum I have seen since A RNG shot toad a few games ago. Shitty that you were punished for bad play Marv, but well, if it makes you feel any worse.... I survived your shot. Thank you magical man who saved my life, as I didn't want to die again before day 2. On October 04 2012 04:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I find it highly unlikely a town vig shot me over any of the other players in the game tbh. Given that I was shot and survived I assume it was the mafia and thus thanking the magical medic. Why would town lie about this? I can't think of motivation. The only reason BC would lie about this would be because he wanted to make scum think there was a medic saving his ass. Actually, the only possible way BC is town is if he is veteran, I don't see why he would lie about this as town, and just say hai guys I was shot, but I was veteran so give me some protection tonight. However, I doubt Blackmamba would take out the veteran role after one of the vets already lost his life. Also, given the fact that Mafia didn't try to shoot him again makes me 95% sure BC is the 3rd Party Night Immue Serial Killer. On October 04 2012 05:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Given that no one has claimed any of the shots on the dead players, (ie no one is claiming vig) We know we have two dead vanilla's, shots on me and austin, and risen raped himself while giving us marv. We know we have mafia, and 1 third party based on setup, so 4 kp appearing isn't that unlikely I think. This quote also seems like he knows a bit too much, it implies that third party has some kp since no one is claiming vig. I would 100% lynch BC tomorrow because of this lie. That brings me to my next point. Mafia knew BC was third party after night 1. On October 08 2012 09:08 Hapahauli wrote: Guys guys guys. Don't lynch BC - he's a 3rd Party Role On October 08 2012 09:11 Hapahauli wrote: It's actually really obvious. Last minute ploys by dead mafia players to get the lynch on the third party to try and save members of their team or just to put WIFOM not to kill BC. We can use this now known knowledge to our advantage. Anyone who has been pushing BC hard after night 1 without much reason, or seems like they know too much, is scum. They are scum looking for some town cred for leading a lynch on anti town. On October 08 2012 09:47 kushm4sta wrote: bc is scum. bc lied about getting shot. zboson is also scum. ve is also scum. these are my current thoughts. ##unfos coag Case later. This post rubbed me the wrong way. BC is scum because he lied about getting shot, yet kushm4ster has no evidence to prove BC lieing about being shot. He is using this as his only reasoning. Also Marv, hard defended this guy, almost single handedly getting a wagon off him with a meta case. On October 01 2012 23:33 marvellosity wrote: kush as townie: Will vote for policy lynches just fine, check Calls Cubu probably not mafia but is happy to have his vote on him, check On October 01 2012 23:57 marvellosity wrote: Good luck rationalising kush's play from any perspective. As in the post-game to my most recent newbie game, Hapahauli pointed out the significant difference in his town/scum play - his attitude. I'm nowhere near convinced his attitude this game is his scum attitude. I could see kushm4sta as scum. Night 2: I watched sloosh and nothing happened. I wish the night deadline was earlier so I could do this last minute and get one last watch. But hopefully this will prove to be useful. Since I was shit all game and I'm sorry lol. But yeah look back after night 1/2 and see people that seemed to have a switch of thoughts on BC or knew too much. Because scum knew BC was 3rd party pretty early. I wish I could be more helpful but I haven't been doing enough reading into the game. I would say lynch BC > lynch kushm4ster TLDR; BloodyC0bbler kushm4stap | ||
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Also, don't let next day cycle be just everyone vote BC and stop talking like the last couple. I know we found 3rd party, but talk about the next scum, especially using this new info. @kush thats what I meant by suboptimal play, it woulda been much better at deadline so I could have another watch. Sorry for being useless this game, I wasn't really into it because of 2 games at once. | ||
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On October 09 2012 04:28 kushm4sta wrote: BC lied about being shot n1. Why? Because there are only 2 medics. There is no medic in this game other than paramedic (see role list) d2 austin claim shot and prot bc claim shot and prot marv prot by risen So this should indicate that there are 3 medics. I do not believe that is the case because 1) Any more than 2 would be pretty OP. 2) day 3. d3 hapa prot by mkfuba NO CLAIMS We have no more medics. If there was another medic, why wouldn't the person they protected claim? D2 mkfuba protected austin. A kp got blocked when VE was rb. BC took the blocked kp as a opportunity to claim he was shot and protected. More reason to lynch this guy, he knows BC didn't lie because hes scum, but is trying to make a case against him saying he lied to grab some town cred after he flips 3rd party. But yeah BC is SK night immune | ||
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On October 09 2012 04:44 kushm4sta wrote: Momentoss you think I'm scum because I knew something was up with BC without reasoning. I give the reason (thankfully seconds before your claim). Now I'm scum because I'm trying to get towncred?? huh im not quite sure to be honest, it was just a thought. But the hard defense by marv twice in a row when I was reading more in day 1 stuck in my mind. | ||
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So, now that you gave reasoning its less of a scum read on you, but still think you may be scum. | ||
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Changed to watcher. Node carrying out KP instead of being vig is the same situation. He visited BC and tried to kill him, but couldn't. Since no one else visited him he was not medic'd. He lied about medic. Only possible way he isn't SK is if you believe he is Veteran before the role was removed from the game. | ||
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On October 09 2012 06:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You are correct, I did claim medic prot to avoid getting shot again. Given that I only have 1 extra night life. Not sure why everyone keeps coming at me about being a third party but since your reasoning for your conclusion is wrong I will sum it up for you. Miller was removed from this game, the miller role was named "veteran". The actual veteran role however was not removed from the game. I am Lucky Citizen . Whats even worse is that you assumed I was a third party serial killer. If you watched me you would have seen me visited and me go out and do something had I had a night action. Given that you knew that I had not visited anyone, and that I was visited you should realize the only logical conclusion is that I am town. You base your conclusion on false information as well as trusting two dead mafia. Not sure what to say here other then you are a horribly bad townie or mafia desperately attempting to remove me from the game. well of course thats what your gunna claim because thats the only way you would be town, its possible though I don't know if its true lol. I said SK because I just relate 3rd party with SK for some reason. | ||
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On October 09 2012 06:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Now my question for you is. Why if you believed me to be third party all this time, or even suspected it would you not expose me the moment you saw that I lied about the medic? Virtually any other player in your situation would have done this day 2 rather then waiting until almost day 4. You have already proven you were around the thread by voting so whats the deal. I think the answer is fairly obvious. Both days we had an auto scum lynch, why would I out myself when I could get more free watches in? Also it was more revealing after node flipped scum, I thought you were scum up until that point. | ||
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On October 09 2012 06:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Rofl, because apparently I have been wrong on how watchers have worked for years. To my knowledge I have only personally played in 2-3 games where watchers were used and was 100% that was how they operated -_- as in they should operate that way it makes sense lol. *shrugs* I am aware how bad that looks on me but i am 100% serious when i say that is how I have always believed the role has operated. Vig who didn't fire then shoots me? You didn't know nodes alignment at the time so if you thought I was scum then you must have at the time thought node was town? You didn't know you would have an auto town lynch, you didnt know if you were going to avoid being shot or roleblocked. As you believed I was scum outing me to get a vig to shoot me, or to set up the day 3 lynch (as you wouldn't have known it was going to be set up via mfub). You also waited back receiving a ton of heat from people for your inactivity and opted to not try and save yourself until you might be killed? Seems unlikely. I thought it was possible mafia medic. | ||
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On October 09 2012 06:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Why would I claim a non existent hit? It only puts me in a spotlight and makes people count kills throughout following days to see if shots mesh out at all. If I claim a hit and everyday thereafter there is always one KP missing from that day (barring mafia deaths or vigi's accounting for the days kp) Id be auto lynched. Because you almost always die on day 1? Gives you a cop-out for everyone that says day 3, BC not dead he must be scum, you can just say you got hit they scared of it not going through again or some shit. You could be vet, but lieing about being medic'd when there was already a couple medics claimed made no sense. | ||
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On October 09 2012 06:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote: its certainly possible given two known mafia have attempted to get me lynched on the same response. He claims a flipped role, and his watch just happens to include a dead scum, and his second check turns up notta. The timing is odd given that I had called him out yesterday for shitty behaviour and likely being scum. Does this mean he 100% is? No, but the time of his claim is weird as shite, even you should see that. how is it weird, I couldn't claim at deadline, and although unlikely, if I died tonight, then town wouldn't have this info. Claiming at deadline woulda been could cause I probably woulda got another watch. anyways it would make no sense for me to do this as scum and you even thinking its plausible just makes me think you are 3rd party even more. | ||
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will be voting BC unless we can get a good idea to who is scum | ||
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On October 09 2012 23:38 kushm4sta wrote: Something that bugs me about RB and my suspicions of VE: It's risky to lie about a roleblock. We have had 2 rb claims this game, VE and momentoss. The lack of RB claims makes it seem like there is only 1 RB. The fact that momentoss was RB means that there is a scum RB. If there is only 1 RB and it is scum, a scum VE getting roleblocked is impossible. So either: 1he lied about getting rb (the real scum rb died that night) 2he's town 3there is also a town rb and people just aren't claiming Disregarding his play, 2 seems the most likely. The way kush is able to think logically about his top scum read and retract it makes me think kush is town. I do not like his lynch any more. | ||
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On October 10 2012 05:17 Keirathi wrote: Yo, whats up with calling out ShiaoPi, then ninja voting slOosh without even mentioning it here?? there is most likely more than one mafia left and no one else had anything to say about shiaopi when i get more time I will dig filters | ||
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On October 10 2012 06:18 Keirathi wrote: So you're just blatantly sheeping for no goddamn reason the person you've been calling out as third party all day? Holy crap am I the only person that sees how weird that vote was? It is pretty weird | ||
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Lets name 2 people w/ some explanation. | ||
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On October 10 2012 00:45 VisceraEyes wrote: Also, Mementoss commented on your "retraction" of scum read on me kush - was that all bullshit or did you really have a change of heart? He has a town-read on you because of it, so think carefully about how you answer. This post makes me think that VE is not lieing: On October 10 2012 00:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm hovering somewhere between 95 and 98% with you Kush. If you flip town I'll shit my pants. Literally. And post pictures. I don't think he would offer to post pictures of his shitty pants if he wasn't very sure. | ||
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On October 10 2012 06:18 Keirathi wrote: So you're just blatantly sheeping for no goddamn reason the person you've been calling out as third party all day? Holy crap am I the only person that sees how weird that vote was? So by this logic with you voting Sloosh your saying you believe my claim, but still think BC is not 3rd party? | ||
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Then I realized I was dreaming. | ||
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BC is SK Mementoss's claim confirmed what actually happened. But he is a liar. You can't think both dude. | ||
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VE has 3 options: 1) He fakeclaimed and is scum. Why would he do that for a 1 for 1 with kush, a player who has 100% chance of getting mislynched every game he plays in? But VE has done crazier shit. VE's claim timing was very weird as well, you think he woulda tried to get kush lynched all day before pulling out the claim or done it right before teh night was over.Instead it was a half ass push against kush then he claimed. This question puts me off: On October 10 2012 00:45 VisceraEyes wrote: Also, Mementoss commented on your "retraction" of scum read on me kush - was that all bullshit or did you really have a change of heart? He has a town-read on you because of it, so think carefully about how you answer. since VE has a red check at this point 2) VE is fucking insane. 3) kush was framed. Likely as if there was a DT he would probably check him. 4) VE wanted to show everyone pictures of his poopy pants 4 is the most likely, but has nothing to do with alignment. I'm leaning on 1 now, but not sure. Kush was going against VE pretty hard, but backed off. | ||
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On October 11 2012 21:04 Z-BosoN wrote: See, if BC is sk and he's correct about the watcher role, then you should have seen him leave. Also, that wasn't my only point neways -.- Let us see what the night has to offer. I strongly, strongly think either yours or VEs claim is null. Once I have more time Ill go through his filter. Your right that my meta doesn't match my town meta, it doesn't match my scum meta either, it matches my "oh shit im in 2 games at once, and this one has had decided lynches 3 days in a row (zzzzzz)" meta. Well if you wanna think about it claim vs claim here are the facts: VE: Claims role block isnt counter claimed Weird claim timing Checks red is proven wrong Mementoss: Claims role block isnt counter claimed weird claim timing Situation explained, verified to be correct, proved BC lieing, BC admitted to lieing Re-Read my exchange with BC after he claims to be shot and medic'd (the moment I found out he lied) and see if you still think my claim is invalid | ||
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On October 11 2012 21:25 Kreb wrote: Theres strange things going on with these claims. There a seemingly massive amount of Blues in the game (does mafia have something else to balance the possible town advantage of plenty of blues then? if so, what?) while still being 4 unclaimed roles (hitman, coroner, detective, arsonist). Thats one 3rd party, but could be another blue among the rest. Cant really put my finger on what it could be though. All claims seem somewhat valid, but that doesnt feel right either. are you implying that you think every role on the role list is in this game? I had no idea what a coroner was then i looked this up: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Coroner | ||
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On October 11 2012 21:33 Kreb wrote: The other thing I dont like about the claims is the almost complete lack of breadcrumbs. MMToss at least mentions it, the other two does not. Im not experienced enough to know how common they are, but shouldnt Blues try to breadcrumbs a lot more than this? We have little giving further strength to MMToss, BC or VE in terms of crumbs. sorry if this had been mentioned but does anyone know how KJ died night 1? Was it a claimed shot or mafia shot. | ||
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Night 1: Risen killed himself Anull killed by town vig KJ killed by ???? BC targetted by mafia KP Austin shot by ???? Mafia KP min 1 max 3 Night 2: Mkfuba killed himself Austin killed by mafia KP (assumption because he was a claimed save by medic -> confirmed townie status) ToutestChaos killed by ???? Mafia KP min 1 max 2 Night 3: Prometheax killed by mafia KP (assumed because confirmed town vig) Broodkingexe killed by ???? mafia kp min 1 max 2 My theory is that mafia KP is fixed at 2, and there was a hitman (mafia vig) on night 1. Or mafia KP was cut due to 2 lynches, and the extra KP is from SK. But that seems unlikely due to low amount of KP, 1 KP for mafia by night 2, would be very unlikely. Unless SK stopped shooting, or shots stacked. (SK -> 3rd party) | ||
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On October 11 2012 21:41 Kreb wrote: While there of course are other possibilities, seems almost 100% chance it was a mafia shot. why would mafia shoot him, he was a lynch candidate day 1 was he not? it seems like an awkward shot to me | ||
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So if VE sanity isn't guarenteed: Sane Cop: Always gets correct results (i.e. "guilty" for anti-Town roles and "innocent" for pro-Town roles) NOT Insane Cop: Always gets incorrect results (i.e. "guilty" for pro-Town roles and "innocent" for anti-Town roles) Possible Paranoid Cop: Always gets "guilty" results NOT Naive Cop: Always gets "innocent" results NOT Random Cop: Gets a randomized result without regard to who is investigated Possible So by this logic, we should be lynching Coag, in the case that VE is insane. | ||
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On October 11 2012 22:18 risk.nuke wrote: There are multiple scenarios. However sanity-cops are not a probable one. Coag is the absolutely last person we will lynch. He's almost certainly town regardless of viceras alignment. And by multiple scenarios you mean 3: VE is lieing -> Lynch VE VE is insane -> Lynch Coag Kush framed -> Lynch???? So by this logic you think there is a framer, but I know for a fact there is a roleblocker. There is no role that is unclaimed or unflipped that looks like a framer to mean, (or a role blocked) But I know one of them that looks mafia like, is probably a roleblocked. How is coag town regardless of VE's alignment, VE lies to give a town check on coag, and VE flipps scum, you still think coag is auto town? VE checks someone he knows is town and gets back a mafia check, you still think coag is town? | ||
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On October 11 2012 22:35 Z-BosoN wrote: I don't think that's advantageous right now. We should lynch whoever we find to be scum. While VEs claim is fishy as hell I think hed make a bad lynch for tomorrow. From reading the filters yesterday, I'd feel strongest towards a mattchew/shiaopi lynch. After settling down I've decided DP is more likely butthurt townie rather than his flamy scum. Sloosh, like I said, is playing quite differently this game, but I'm uneasy with his alignment. BC is sk and. Iamperfection and risk.nuke I have slight town reads on. Kreb is pretty damn townie. Keirathi is being extremely useless this game, is yet to make any contribution. The scum read I have on mattchew is more related to his "don't lynch shady for dumb reasons" post, and shiaopi more because of the meta reads spotted earlier. These are just my current thoughts on the game for now. Who would you lynch, mementoss? Depends entirely on the night actions can't explain now. But lynching based on filter/behaviour, I would say Shioapi | ||
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Iamp makes a good point about the role, but the only thing that irks me is no one counter claimed being roleblocked. Unless scum randomly decided not to use it night 1. | ||
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On October 11 2012 22:56 iamperfection wrote: ya that would have been silly for night 1 i think. and what do you mean about checking a confirmed townie how can he do that? if hes allowed to check dead/flipped players | ||
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That seems not right. Even his role check was wrong. So yeah I think sanities seem improbable. | ||
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On October 11 2012 21:47 Mementoss wrote: Trying to figure out the night kills: Night 1: Risen killed himself Anull killed by town vig KJ killed by ???? BC targetted by mafia KP Austin shot by ???? Mafia KP min 1 max 3 Night 2: Mkfuba killed himself Austin killed by mafia KP (assumption because he was a claimed save by medic -> confirmed townie status) ToutestChaos killed by ???? Mafia KP min 1 max 2 Night 3: Prometheax killed by mafia KP (assumed because confirmed town vig) Broodkingexe killed by ???? mafia kp min 1 max 2 My theory is that mafia KP is fixed at 2, and there was a hitman (mafia vig) on night 1. Or mafia KP was cut due to 2 lynches, and the extra KP is from SK. But that seems unlikely due to low amount of KP, 1 KP for mafia by night 2, would be very unlikely. Unless SK stopped shooting, or shots stacked. (SK -> 3rd party) Hitman Private Investigator Coroner Detective Paranoid Arsonist Assuming Night 1, mafia used a hitman (mafia vig) and have constant 2 KP. Knowing 100% there is a roleblocker, which of the remaining roles would make sense to be a framer? My thought stands, VE checks confirmed town if he can. But he can just lie about that. Gah. | ||
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On October 11 2012 23:13 Kreb wrote: Or wait a second again. If VEs role is a cop+rolecop, that means there must be a alignment+role Framer for Kush to have been Framed. Thats seems quite unlikely. Had Kush flipper Coroner it would have all made sense, but he flipped Vanilla Townie. It seems really unlikely theres a alignment+role Framer.... Thats what I was trying to say dawg | ||
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On October 12 2012 08:24 Z-BosoN wrote: So I've been reading VE's filter. Gonna leave the fact that his scumhunting is extremely lacking aside for now, because I've found something pretty interesting. VE claims he got Coag checked, and came back as townie on night 2. So I checked some dates, and look at this: The day 3 post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=371260¤tpage=72#1429 October 6. So supposedly he received that Coag is townie. Now, if he got the memo that Coag is town, then wtf is this shit: So I've figured both claims are bullshit now. VE's, however, seems even worse now. Unless I'm getting something real wrong here, he is effectively going after Coag as a cop who received a town check. The quotes above make it look legitimately like he's going after Coag, and not spouting discussion or whatever he might say. Discuss. LOL VE master claimer | ||
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On October 12 2012 08:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Master-BATER more like. Amirite guys? Eh? + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://humorcastle.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Edward-Norton-Closing-Laptop.gif) | ||
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VE being insane is no longer possible. Only other possibility sanity wise is bastard. Which is just random, but that is pretty harsh. Kush's flip was hidden or he was framed. 100% Unless hes just lieing. | ||
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Oh shit. Scum believed BC claim of lucky citizen and targetted him again possible? | ||
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On October 12 2012 20:30 risk.nuke wrote: Mementoss, why on earth did you watch z-bozon? Because he was talking the most at night. If VE was scum, scum probably woulda targetted Zboson. By his recent interactions and effort it made me think he is town. More than anyone else at least. Like honestly I don't know who scum would have targetting other than myself VE or Zboson. No KP went through anyways so I don't know what kind of information I woulda got anyways. I expected to be dead and VE to claim roleblock. I don't know why scum didn't use there roleblock last night? If they did someone claim it. Maybe its a 2 time ability? | ||
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On October 12 2012 20:36 risk.nuke wrote: Why didn't you watch VE so if they had roleblocked him you had caught him. That woulda been a good idea too. I was just watching for the night kill to be honest. But they didn't role block VE apparently. So it wouldn't have made a difference anyways. | ||
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On October 12 2012 20:50 risk.nuke wrote: First you need to ask yourself - What does Vicera gain by doing this as scum? What has he gained by doing this as scum? So far the answer is: In the scenario that Vicera is scum so far they've gained nothing, which is why I'm not worried about it at the moment. @Menentoss. Luck doesn't excuse stupidity. Even if you disregard how awefull your nk guesses were. Who would you have expected for the night kill? some random lurker o_0 | ||
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On October 12 2012 23:24 risk.nuke wrote: Are you a moron, the kp didn't disappear by itself. And only moron would believe kp got absorbed by third party. Is it possible that 3rd party has the roleblocker ability, and mafia enforcer was role blocked last night. There has been no roleblock claim for today or 2 days ago. | ||
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On October 12 2012 23:38 slOosh wrote: Kreb, why would scum VE confirm Coag and MMT when confirmed townies can totally screw it up for scum near end game? MMT how do you figure for the other KP? Or do you think there is only 1 anti-town KP? ya what I said is almost definitely wrong lol, I thought after mafia enforcer was killed there was only 1 anti town kp, guess not. | ||
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##Vote: Shiaopi | ||
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On October 13 2012 22:37 risk.nuke wrote: I have a friend visiting over the weekend, I've just barely skimmed over the last pages. The only smart thing to do today is to kill Mattchew. We need to get rid of Mattchew because. He is likely scum. So we have to lynch him sooner or later. The only scenario we don't end up sooner or later lynching Mattchew is if we decide that hey, his retarded actions are probably indicators that he is town so lets not lynch him... ever. That scenario is never going to happen. Never fucking ever. Ergo we need to kill him. Why is it better to kill him now rather then later? Because as the game progresses we will be able to get better reads on everyone. Just as how you have better reads on other people day 1 then day 2. This makes it sub-ideal to lynch person x today and Mattchew tomorrow rather then lynch Mattchew today and person x tomorrow. This is NOT fucking complicated but the fucking ESSENCE of standard logic now start fucking voting. 'why mattchew over shiaopi | ||
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We can probably figure out the passive roleblocks somehow. Night 1: BC visited by Node Night 2: Sloosh nothing Night 3: Roleblock Night 4: Zboson nothing VE was roleblocked night 1. Maybe his passive was to roleblock a random town action every odd night. Not sure. I never watched Mattchew. | ||
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On October 15 2012 01:57 VisceraEyes wrote: I think BC was wrong. I think scum have RB. N1 Check Coag (RB) N2 Check Coag (Concerned Citizen) N3 Check Kush (Mafia Coroner) N4 Check Mementoss (Medical Examiner) I never visited Matty. BC's flip said nothing about roleblocking random townie. Scum gots to have RB. who do you think should die tomorrow | ||
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On October 15 2012 02:04 VisceraEyes wrote: Kreb or Shiao I would say, sloosh shiao or risknuke Kreb seems like a whilecard to me. Not sure about him. | ||
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