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In that case, Sharrant please paste the contents of the quicktopic to-date into the thread & Sharky confirm that you are mason.Newbie Mini Mafia XXVII - Page 2
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In that case, Sharrant please paste the contents of the quicktopic to-date into the thread & Sharky confirm that you are mason. | ||
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ofc that means Sharrant is effectivley a confirmed towny (and the new guy too I guess). Scumhunting I want/need to look closely tonight/tomorrow at debears's posting from before and after flip and see if my scumread on him still holds.RemedySC's play has also been super lurky from what I can see and has dropped off the radar. His play reminds me of imcasey in the last game, making a single weak case and then shutting up. Hopefully we don't lose two players overnight. | ||
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It might annoy you more to say the one thing I have done more is look at debears posts from After the lynch more closley. I can't see much in them that looks that scummy so for now I kinda think he is a null read. I don't like his posts from d1 much - but that is D1, so it is the weakest day of play. Also, setup speculation is pointless - I will post more later hopefully I will have some time after 4pm french time to look through other filters. | ||
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On September 21 2012 18:11 rethos wrote: Actually no.. I am sorry to all of you. But it really seems that playing mafia is really not for me. I got bored and did not want to post any more. Now I am trying to catch up and can't get bring myself to it. Yes I lied about having this weird plan of lurking intentionally. I lurked because I did not have motivation to do anything. Again I am really really sorry. I will ask for a replacement. If lynch lurkers is a decent policy - then Lynching liars, (even bad ones) is an essential policy ( from what I have read). I am sort of null on you because I don't see how your posts today help mafia or town at all but I can come up with plausible scenarios why both would do this - just totally barf worthy. I am not great at his game yet, but I am going to be annoyed if this is another game where d1 &2 are dominated by terrible town play. I am still going to look later and see if I can find a better scum - but for now. Vote##: rethos | ||
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mafia don't get bored.he might have lied about his reason for afking but I don't think he lied about being bored. now you are saying: Yes mafia leaves games, but they only do it when they have an actual reason, like they are busy (weetee) or they are bored. I / town am not going to listen to someone who comes into the thread "high as fuck" and says one thing and then contradicts himself so directly a short while later. I don't quite understand why mafia would fight so hard to pull off one mislynch for two mafia. But this is terrible play for either mafia or town. ##Vote: Dandel Ion | ||
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Possible Motivations: If you are mafia and he is town - putting that much focus on trying to prevent you being lynched by exonerating rethos seems bad play to me. Also, he said at the start that: Last game was quite humbling for me. I made a lot of bad calls...I'm going to try to be more careful and have better analysis this game. - does not seem like he is doing that. If you are mafia and he is mafia - makes no sense If you are town and he is mafia - He can make a defence of you, (knowing it was unlikely to succeed with rethos terrible play) then when you get lynched say "I didn't want to lynch him anyway, you should have listened to me" - gaining townie cred off a mislynch. Ho Hum - Kush, do you really think this is a good example of careful & better analysis? | ||
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I am giving my current sober read. Why do I think he's not scum? because scum are less likely to.get bored. because being bored gives him a reason to lie about testing towns lurker leniency. And your opinion of that read is: Wtf I was actually quite proud of my reasoning and when I wad writting it I was thinking to myself damn this is going to convince everybody .... Can you not see why I/the thread might have a problem with that? | ||
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D1 - doesn't want to lynch lurkers, Posts bad case on Kush (imho - attacking someone for wanting to lynch lurkers is not attacking someone for scum play), Goes away and avoids d1 drama. Okay, I was around reading the thread for the last 30-40 minutes before lynch time. I honestly didn't know what I could say to have an impact on the vote. It was clear to me that drazak was going to be lynched, and I didn't see any way for me to change that. - Scummy thing to say for sure, "false regret" is a dumb scum thing - If he didn't want a drazak lynch he should have said so.Posts more bad inferences about Kush. Decent post on Stutters - pointing out a fair argument against him from my perspective (as I know I am town). But this is not hard for mafia to do either as they know everyone's alignments (except if there is an sk) - so this is null. Pointless cellphone posts, defends Rethos at a weird time when there was a big back and forth about it going on - ok but he never follows it up, pointless post. Points out something obviously scummy from stutters. Overall - poor posts, one that looks obviously scummy and lots that don't help us scumhunting (somewhat scum). He would be a decent lynch. My problem is that there are several decent lynches.... difficult to decide between them. | ||
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Obviously, from my perspective this post: + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 04:37 Stutters695 wrote: Killing or any other lurker is a better lynch than Sharrant at this point for two main reasons (IMO): 1) Sharrant is active. If he is scum it will reveal itself over time, while if we go into lategame with a bunch of lurkers we're boned in lylo. 2)You guys are painting the SK idea as way too scummy imo. Look at Kush's early posts. Self-survival is usually indicative of a power-role or scum. If he's a blue he wouldn't have so obviously painted a target on himself. If he's scum it seems to reason he wouldn't paint such a big target on himself. Given the option between SK and VT, SK makes a hell of a lot more sense. I don't necessarily agree with that conclusion but it makes sense and he's putting himself out there on that read and gives us even more of substance to hold him accountable for. Looking at the lurkers: Drazak: Would like to see some more from him before the lynch. Nowhere near the least active and he has at least thrown out questions. Wouldn't be our best lynch target imo. KillingTime has been actively lurking. He has 11 posts during D1. He has only one post with any real content. This is similar to his town play in XXVI but his reads in this have all been agreeing with other people while in XXVI his reads were more based on his observations. Really I'd like to see a lynch on Cubu. Regardless of if Cubu is scum or town, Cubu needs to die. For anyone who didn't play in NMMXXVI check his filter there (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=363923&user=153930). 9 posts before he was lynched on day 2. We let him live Day 1 with the hopes his play would improve and it didn't as VT. After we wasted a lynch on him D2 we put ourselves in mylo. We shouldn't let that happen again when we can easily avoid it. Our day 2 lynch candidate will be a much stronger one than our D1 if we're lynching someone active and Cubu has shown no intentions of actually playing. ##Vote Cubu looks scummy as everyone he mentions is pretty much confirmed town to me. But it is not decisive because that is pretty bold for mafia who normally push each other at least alittle bit from what I have seen. So this could be unlucky town play. Mason stuff - meh that was indeed a trainwreck - although the one time he was actually active was killing drazak. Since then lurky lurky lurky. (scum as anything, he has an excuse but no-one can take anything from that - it could be true and he could still be scum) Overall I think remedy is marginally more scummy than stutters just because I see more scum motivation in his actions. Everyone knows lurking looks bad, doing the remedy "I am here but not scumhunting much" thing looks worse to me. If we do give Dandel one more day then I would prefer a Remedy lynch I think. | ||
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##unvote ##vote RemedySC Not only for the reasons above, but also because your defence has been really bad: I picked you because you were the one I was focusing on. I didn't want to let up on you until I could think that you are either town or mafia. At that time I was almost 100% certain that you were scum. Recently my opinion on that has changed, and you are looking a lot more like town. - why, you have not mentioned this change of heart before, and how does voting someone and then making no effort to get others to vote for them, dropping the issue d2 & being absent from the lynch court as "not letting up" on a player you thought was "almost 100% scum"?What I was saying with that cubu vs drazak post is that if I were mafia, wouldn't I have taken the opportunity to go after one of them. I had no reason to believe Cubu was mafia, and with Drazak I thought it could go either way. Why, if you saw the thread developing - it was clear that either me, cubu, drazak, debears or sharrant was getting lynched. Only debears is not essentially confirmed town to me at this point - you knew you were going to get a mislynch so you didn't need to. If you were town you would have atleast tried to register your objection as you said you were reading the thread. | ||
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I suspect atleast one of kush/you/jacob are scum. I don't know which - I haven't had time to read the huge posts made post lynch yet or really give these longer filters justice. Atreidies - scum by elimination at the moment - but that might change if I read thrawn's filter and the other cases against him and agree with them. Dandel - given the double town lurker death, and who he has been pushing - scum. My preferred lynch atm until I get better reads on the active posters. Debears - probable town, I dislike his d1 posts but since then I don't see mafia motivation in his posts. Sharrant & Sharky - Town, if they are very clever lying mafia we have lost already. | ||
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