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On September 05 2012 07:13 marvellosity wrote: na I like to make you bitches work for it day1 policy lynch imo | ||
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everybody should write something then i'll read it tomorrow evening and tell you who is scum also can anybody explain to me who ange777 is? thanks | ||
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Could you please tell me why you are voting me? Your explanation appears to be some metaphor that doesn't make any sense to me. | ||
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I can't believe that Risen can be serious about this. It's three posts into the game and the two posts before me were nonsense. He is actually trying to make a full case on me and I just can't believe he is serious about this. No benefit of the dumb here. Contrast this with his first vote in his latest game (clink). It's a pressure vote for someone who made a dumb vote but it's a while into the game and it's got more of a "whim" feeling about it. This looks a lot more careful but [u]we're three dumb posts into the game. I just can't believe this. ##Vote Risen[/url] | ||
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Fuck it. I can't believe that Risen can be serious about this. It's three posts into the game and the two posts before me were nonsense. He is actually trying to make a full case on me and I just can't believe he is serious about this. No benefit of the dumb here. Contrast this with his first vote in his latest game (clink). It's a pressure vote for someone who made a dumb vote but it's a while into the game and it's got more of a "whim" feeling about it. This looks a lot more careful but we're three dumb posts into the game. I just can't believe this. ##Vote Risen | ||
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Kenpachi rule my ass. It looks to me like you're thinking "Hmm, I should vote for either Risen or prplhz.. I guess I'll go for prplhz" and then you cling to whatever dumb rule instead of trying to form an opinion yourself. | ||
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@Keirathi Do you actually have an opinion or are you satisfied just trying to clarify stuff that other people said? | ||
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On September 06 2012 07:10 Risen wrote: You know very well my first post was meant to start discussion and point out some mildly scummy things prpl had said in his post. Then he comes back with an extreme overreaction in the form of OMGUS? Scum. No it wasn't. I asked you if you were serious and then you pretty much said "Yes". You wrote "Man this is so quiet" and then I asked you what the hell you were doing and then it took you 10 mins to write a carefully written 6 line bullshit case about 5 posts into the game. It doesn't look at all like you were just trying to start discussion which was what I was trying to make sure before considering to vote you. | ||
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On September 06 2012 07:16 Keirathi wrote: What is there to have an opinion about? Both votes are almost equally dumb, but I'm not sure how to read them alignment wise. TL Mafia in general is full of dumb early votes that almost never actually catch scum. This recent post brings up some more questions though. If you weren't "really going to defend [yourself] against [his] case because it is beyond horrible", then why did you feel the need to OMGUS his vote with a vote of your own? LOL I VOTED BECAUSE HE IS DOING SCUMMY SHIT You are saying "If you didn't think his case on you was any good then why did you vote for him?". What??? OMGUS is fucking dumb, people think it has merits because, well it's an acronym, duh! It has to mean something and that something should be scum! OMGUS means to vote for someone because they voted for you but if you read my GOD DAMN POSTS then you'll see that I didn't vote for Risen because he voted for me. And even if I did, how the hell does that make me scum? No one knows and no one can answer that because it doesn't. It's a dumb acronym that people fling about (like WIFOM) and generally haven't the faintest clue what means or how it's used. Not that it matters because it doesn't apply to me. | ||
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On September 06 2012 07:22 Zephirdd wrote: prplhz, I don't think you understand that he never actually pushed you on it seriously(fo realz). A townie answer to that post would be "lol ok" or "lol this is dumb" not "omfg this is terrible blablabla you are playing bad ##vote" This is basically how the Kenpachi Rule works, or the one I like to call "Extended Kenpachi Rule". I actually caught a scum with that once, but he was my ally that game so I didn't push him on it. Holy wow, it's a rule that actually caught a scum once! (though not really because apparently Zephirdd already knew that he was scum) Sign me up already. His first post was dumb so I asked him if he was serious and then he said "Yes" and then I can't do anything but take his word for it. If you're thinking "Well, he wasn't serious even though he said so when asked." then you are playing this game wrong. | ||
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The only influence his first post has on my vote for him is how it doesn't fit with what he usually does, I posted a link of his first vote in his last game and that looks nothing like this. Of course people do dumb shit to start discussion all the time which is why I didn't just jump the gun and vote for him, I asked him if he was serious and then he said "Yes, I truly believe that you are scum 3 posts into the game and for these few careful reasons that it took me suspiciously long to type out." That's why I'm voting for him. Since you're not getting a different "feeling" from his other game, you must be getting a similar feeling. Can you explain this to me? | ||
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On September 07 2012 04:09 Ange777 wrote: What feels wrong? The case on Risen? Or Risen's defense? I'm very interested in this too and you should write this in your next post thank you. | ||
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marvellosity points out that Risen does a scumslip. This scumslip isn't just for Risen though, it also implicates marvellosity as well. Bussing requires two scum, not one. marvellosity realizes that if Risen is lynched it is only a matter of time before someone figures this out and so he backs off. His backing off is also weird, it's allegedly because the lynch gained momentum but he doesn't say this before he is called out, he just says "I have my reasons but I'm not going to explain" and then the explanation is like, 10 words long. I don't like this one bit and I'd rather lynch Risen and then we can talk about marvellosity tomorrow. ##Vote Risen | ||
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On September 07 2012 05:08 Ange777 wrote: I can't say that a Risen+marv scum team has not crossed my mind but your post does not explain your weird vote switch from Risen to Keir. You can't seriously believe that putting the vote on Keir had more impact. Risen wasn't getting lynched at that point and Keirathi was to get something else going and he was looking dodgy too, I already expressed my suspicions of him in the thread. I read some of his other games then and this appears to be how he's playing all the time so not as worried anymore. | ||
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The reason I voted for him in the first place stands. I don't believe that you can have a clear scum read 3 posts into the game. Risen seemed anxious that no one was talking in the thread after his initial post and then when I immediately after asked him a simple question about his vote for me, he spent 10 minutes writing a 6 line response. This seems too carefully thought through if the case is just a "joke vote" to get things rolling. The guy was actually trying to write a real case 3 posts into the game and I don't believe this. Then later he tries to back down on that by saying it was obvious that his case was a joke. Then why did he not act as if it was a joke? It seems like he was just trying to downplay it because it was getting him into trouble. I pretty much think that this is enough, conflicting motives for actions is a clear sign of scum because scum never have any motive other than "Man, I better write some shit so they don't yell at me for lurking". Later he tries to back down even more by saying that he never actually thought I was scum, but townies don't lie and everything in his behavior said that he thought I was scum. There is no reason ever that a townie would make that much of an effort trying to make it seem like he thought I was scum unless he really did think that, there's no guaranteed benefit but there are potential disasters just waiting to happen. Townies don't do stuff like that. I also found this post very interesting. For a guy who has a 5 page filter in a 17 page game, he never asked who Quatol was even though he was "having a seizure". This is really weird because townies usually just shoot from the hip and ask whatever questions but even though he seems like he's saying what's on his mind, he actually isn't. Why is he even so nervous about Quatol? It's some dude writing whatever on another user, I knew that marvellosity is cohosting with Palmar whose smurf Quatol is so I don't know but I think townies would mostly feel annoyed that someone is making the thread harder to read by posting on another account. Risen is nervous which is something scum are but townies aren't. I think a lot of his posting seems nervous but this is a really good example of it. Why apologize? Scum apologizes but townies are like "get out, i'm the towniest townie in town just by how green my pm is". I trust my early reads because they are usually what I have the most luck with and I'm pretty sure that Risen is the best lynch for today. Also if you are some kind of blue it's probably time to claim. | ||
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Can you answer my question and tell me why you thought Risen was scum? I don't even get why you ignored it the first time but I'm sure you have a good reason for that. | ||
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On September 09 2012 03:43 Ange777 wrote: @prplhz: What do you think about Zeph? I'm not really all that worried about him right now. I'm more worried about Bluelightz. This game he was the only one to go against the Risen lynch (besides Risen himself). The last game I remember Bluelightz going against the "mainstream" lynch was Wheel of Fortune Mafia. In that game Bluelightz made a ton of cases on other people because he thought that zentor was town and that it was a mislynch. Everybody agreed that Bluelightz played really well post game, he even got a mention from Radfield in the Mafia Awards thread. This is how "moved" Bluelightz is from a mislynch that he didn't like this game: On September 08 2012 01:04 Bluelightz wrote: I'm gonna vote v7, because he's the most scummy candidate I have for now (Between Zeph/Risen who I believe both or townie, or my slight marv read that hinges on who get's killed day 2), and that, he hasn't talked about anything else BUT Risen. ##Vote: vaderseven (Also, I sadly can't be there for the deadline, unless I wake up early.) Next post after deadline: On September 08 2012 11:34 Bluelightz wrote: Well, my read was right. This doesn't look like the townie Bluelightz at all, it looks like a guy who doesn't give a shit at all and that's very unlike Bluelightz. I don't like Ange777 either, in the filters I read she was posting text wall after text wall exposing scum and apparently also carrying her team to victory. I don't see any of that here. There is prodding and there is poking but there's no whacking with a big stick but I'm less sure about this. Bluelightz is looking really bad. | ||
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"that's bluelightz for you" no it isn't, this isn't bluelightz. marv tell me why you like bluelightz and why you don't like zeph. | ||
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Dirkzor why do you think that Bluelightz is town? | ||
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bluelightz has actively not given given a shit about this game and that's way scummier | ||
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I can get on board this lynch, thought he was kind of weird day1 and with no counter claim yet it looks like Zephirdd is actually a cop. I have no idea why people are hating on the Bluelightz lynch so much though. | ||
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I thought about voting with my case but that was during the night so I didn't and I just never came around to it during the day because who gives a shit. No one. I think marvellosity was being really merciful when he described this thought process of yours as "a bit of a stretch". | ||
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On September 11 2012 19:25 marvellosity wrote: no prplhz, you didn't push jack shit. Okay. | ||
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On September 11 2012 17:39 Dirkzor wrote: Because they were all dumb and useless.I can get behind a BL lynch but I would much rather lynch prplhz. The reason for me to go against a BL lynch earlier was that it was to easy ot get him lynched. BL rarely post more then a few times a day and thus would not gives us anything to work with and i don't find him too scummy this game. Now at lylo that doesn't really work anymore since we need to get the mafiosos. I still think prplhz is the most scummy with BL/marv/kei coming behind (in that order). I didn't add zephirdd because he will most likely die. If he doesn't I'll think about then when it happens. This got posted 30 min before deadline. Right after that post he is asked several questions here (zephirdd) and here (me) He is clearly reading the thread because he made a follow up to marvs response to Zephirdd's case/post on prplhz just stating: Why not repsond to the questions asked? + Show Spoiler + On September 11 2012 06:39 Zephirdd wrote: Hello prplhz, how are you? we missed you here. I was looking at your filter. Interesting stuff popped up. Stuff like this: Previous to this post, you had very little interactions with Ange777 and this is basically the first time you voice suspicion on her. But the thing is, the way you are doing it at what point in time. For context, this happened after I made my case on bluelightz(which was pretty terrible looking back at it), and you made a new case on bluelightz right after this, and right after you said Ange777 was possibly scum. The thing is, these timings feel too wrong because Ange777 was killed that night. to me, it feels like you tried to make bluelightz say something bad about ange777 before flipping her, and use that information to lynch bluelightz tonight. You chose bluelightz for that because I had just made a case on him earlier, and your case was even worse. Furthermore, you came in today and didn't vote the one who you said to be your top scum read, all while being AWOL during my and marvellosity's exchange. Like... I don't know why I looked for ange777 interactions when searching through your filter, but this is incredibly glaring. prplhz, can you give your opinion on Dirkzor, marvellosity and Bluelightz right now? I don't give out opinions unless I have to. My read on Bluelightz was pretty obvious from the thread and my read on you and marvellosity were irrelevant because I didn't want to lynch them and neither did anybody else. And ... that's kind of it. Nobody else wanted anything from me. Prplhz havent willingly given up any reads this game. He was onto Risen day 1. Then changed to Keir when the momentum changed. He than later changed back to Risen with this: Consider how much Risen had written in the beginning and that is the best reason prplhz can come up with? When asked by ange about zeph he doesn't answer. He just brings up BL instead: If prplhz is scum he would also know that Ange was about to die. making his "I don't like Ange777 either" comment stick out. Prplhz have only given reads on players who died shortly after - or BL. This one on Ange777 and then his big "risen is scum" post at the end of d1. Here The timing of that "case" was also perfect. (also note that the reason he voted Risen the 2nd time - his scumslip - isn't mentioned in this case) The lynch was basicly decided by then. Again a half answer. Of course its a distinct possibility. Then a deflection on to a guy already dead (Risen). The qeustion he wants ange to answer is 24h old. The player in question is dead. I would say the question is most likely irrelevant at that point in time. And the question asked is stupid since its all clearly written in Ange's filter. And if you go read was happens after, prplhz doesn't use the answer given by ange to anything. No follow up or anything. I ask a lot of questions that has already been "answered" by people because that's a good way to catch scum because they just make shit up and then suddenly their stories don't add up. I did that a ton in this thread too I believe, I think it's a good way to scum hunt. But just because Prplhz is as much scum as the night is black doesn't clear BL. I think prplhz was bussing him. Why? Fishing for other peoples townread on BL. Instead of asking why I think he is town, why didn't he try to change my/our beliefs? He didn't just as he never actively pushed for BL's lynch. All in all I'm pretty sure prplhz is scum. I'm not ruling out anyone at this moment but I have to go with my best scum read. Yea whatever. I said on n1 "Lets lynch this guy who doesn't give a shit" and then you said "No, lets just leave him alive and try to lynch these two blues" and then n2 you're all "Fuck, we should have lynched the guy who didn't give a shit". Well, duh. Jesus christ. If you want me to respond to whatever case you have against me then please don't just do summary + conclusion, do summary + arguments + conclusion. You only included the two useless parts and left me filling in the blanks so that I could argue against myself and that's quite infuriating. | ||
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I was asked about a person I didn't think was scum and I ignored the question and instead talked about someone I thought was scum. How is that not transparent? | ||
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i posted plenty of reads this game but mostly on scummy people, the rest are null to town and completely useless to anybody but scum and now zeph is on about "y u no vote" again LOL it's OBVIOUS AS FUCK who i want to lynch and i'll vote whenever i feel like it | ||
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there a vote did that really change anything? | ||
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On September 14 2012 13:27 Risen wrote: I know, right? XD I really wish Dirk hadn't come in like he did... Edit: Also, of the 4 votes on me early, both scum were on me. I mean shit, at one point it was 2 prpl, 2 me. How on earth did people justify voting me over prpl when the vote count was like that. His play was way, WAY more scummy than mine early on. I didn't even flip my shit until later on in the thread when everyone was already on me. Double Edit: I mean gosh, look at his vote onto Keir and the reasoning behind it then his swap back to me. I pointed these things out in thread. AWRnfkj 4awngflwngflknawlgnktlawnktglk The reason two scum were on you so early was because you allowed it to happen. Why weren't two scum on Dirkzor or marvellosity or Ange777? It's not like we decided "holy fuck we need to all in here", it felt pretty natural for both of us to vote you and a lot of townies felt the same way. In the end you were lynched with 7 votes on you, 5 of them town which is enough for majority on its own. If you don't want to get lynched on day1 then it's a lot easier for you to change how you play than to change how everybody else plays. They play that way for a reason you know. | ||
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I also really doubt that Risen could have gotten me or Keirathi lynched on day1 simply because of the sway that marvellosity had in town and we were pretty good at manipulating him. My activity on day1 was all because I knew that marvellosity knew that in my last games as scum I pretty much fell off the surface of the earth and if I would just be active he very likely wouldn't go against me on day1. Keirathi had his own thing where he tried to get town credit for pushing me while he knew that marvellosity would speak out against a lynch on me so I still wouldn't get lynched, and probably some other thing that I would know if I had actually followed this game more closely. There's no town MVP because there wasn't a single scum lynch and it wasn't all because scum (prplhz) was looking super townie. It was because bad townies allowed themselves to be lynched three times in a row and other bad townies allowed this to happen. The Risen lynch was okay but the vaderseven lynch was really bad. If you need to make a last minute change then you can only do it onto a guy like Bluelightz because he was clearly not putting two shreds of effort into this game the game would be better if he was dead, town or not, simply because of the distraction he was (I'm sure a lot of people will disagree with me on that though and that's fine). I also think that the last day townies need to start questioning things a little more, I was just trying to make it appear as if Bluelightz was scum on last day and see if I could get "credit" for bussing him and people fell right into that, especially with some promotion of that idea from Keirathi. It was just too dumb. It was just too easy to lynch Bluelightz and then me so it probably wasn't the right thing. Also, Bluelightz plays like this sometimes, look at Death Factory Mafia 2 where he was utter shit too. He doesn't have Wheel of Fortune games all the time and lynching him over "conflicting opinions on vaderseven" was so weak I couldn't believe it. Best townie was Dirkzor I think even though he (and everybody else) needs to think everything over at LYLO. Ange777 and marvellosity were largely shot on reputation before they had a chance to really make an impact on the game. We were quite afraid that marvellosity would actually take a step back and reconsider at LYLO and figure it out (like he did in that game where he pulled a town win out of a 2 townies, 3 scum, 1 serial killer LYLO by target lynching the god damn roleblocker holy fuck) but we were never afraid that anybody else would. You should try to make sure that we're afraid of that next game. | ||
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On September 14 2012 14:18 EchelonTee wrote: why are you guys flaming a new player lol? No one is flaming anybody? | ||
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On September 14 2012 14:20 EchelonTee wrote: I'm dumb -afk Yea, maybe we should flame the not-so-new observer instead! | ||
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On September 14 2012 14:22 Risen wrote: What justifies Dirk being best townie? He's the only real reason the lynch on me got off the ground. I think that honor belongs to Ange. No one ever thought of lynching Dirkzor except a rampaging Bluelightz, and this is even though he survived until LYLO. That's really what you gotta do as townie, make sure no one is on your back. Ange777 didn't do anything this game at all since she was lynched on day1. I'm sure there would have been some more from her later (she even admits this after she died in the "man, i was just getting time for this game"-post). I mean she wasn't bad or anything but she simply wasn't alive enough to be any good. | ||
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On September 14 2012 14:27 Risen wrote: I disagree. I always thought the objective as town was to find scum, something Dirk did 0 of this game. It's pretty good if all townies can appear as townie as they are. Makes it really hard for scum to survive when there are no townies around to lynch. You found two scum on day1 and then you were lynched and no one cared and scum facerolled to victory, wouldn't it have been better if nobody had lynched you because of how townie you were? If nobody had lynched any townie because of how townie they were? As I said, he didn't play brilliantly or anything but he was pretty good at the basics, which is making sure that everybody knows that you're town. Everybody else was shot early or lynched (or claimed cop like Zephirdd). | ||
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On September 14 2012 14:27 Keirathi wrote: Too be fair, I had things listed in my notes to use against Dirk. I just never had to because townies were lynching other townies  To be fair, you were scum | ||
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On September 14 2012 14:32 Risen wrote: I don't see how Dirk established himself as town. If I was any of the other players he would have been my d2 lynch choice, and then my d3 lynch choice. But no one else found him scummy (except a scum). Ange777 figuratively had no impact on this game. I'm sure she would have done well if she had been allowed to survive past night1 and had time to show her worth but unfortunately (for her) she was an underrated townie and that spells doom when there is a medic around. | ||
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On September 14 2012 14:36 Risen wrote: What are you talking about? There was absolutely 0 scum hunting after day 1. Day 2 was lynch the liar, and day 3 was lynch the cop vote. If there had actually been scum hunting day 2 and day 3 I think Dirk would have showed up easily as a lynch target. But.... in the game we just played that didn't happen and Dirkzor played the entire game without having anybody point fingers at him, thus not being a distraction for town at any point. I also really doubt your hypothetical, there's a reason Dirkzor has never been lynched (though I'm not entirely sure what it is). | ||
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Well, I evidently was following the game, you can see me describing a few distinct event from the game in that very same sentence that I could not have known if I hadn't actually followed the game. Didn't read it all though don't know what you guys are so worked up about. Read some, skimmed some more, skipped the rest because it didn't matter. | ||
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