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On September 11 2012 06:35 imallinson wrote:
The case against Forumite seems pretty damning and stuff like the weak vote on Z-boson doesn't make him look more town. My only reservation is that I really don't like BM's attempt to claim he is confirmed town and Z-boson backing that up. Vig seems like someone mafia would like to keep alive unless they had their gun aimed at one of their own so I don't buy the "I knew austin was vig day one so I can't be scum" argument. Obviously both Forumite and a Z-Boson/BM team both being scum seems very unlikely. I think Forumite is probably the best looking lynch at the moment but I think Z-Boson and BM need a good look at if he turns out to not be scum. Final thing to note I'm still not fond of Gravan's posting. He is lurking in the shadows only posting a minimum amount to seem like he is contributing.
##Vote: Forumite
yeah pretty much exactly this
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We want to lynch him because we think he's mafia
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Yeah I'd be pretty much happy to lynch anyone out of Z-Boson/Forumite/BM and I'm getting paranoia when I'm reading Forumites posts as well, though I'm trying to ignore it :p
I mentioned S&B as well but as I said, he's probably Assassin so noone should care about him right now unless we see another 3rd party flip and he's still kicking.
It's really as I said, we're bound to find "not-town" in there no matter what and I'm really leaning 3rd party on Foru atm while Boson and BM are more likely to be mafia.
The thing about BM is that he's like a Kenpachi junior. You lynch him with knowledge you gain from other lynches or bye process of elimination and not because of what he said because he's always weird.
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On September 11 2012 23:31 DarthPunk wrote:
OK I just read through Forumites filter a couple of times and I tried really hard but failed to find anything particularly scummy about him. I even began some cases on him but they sort of fell apart as soon as they began. I am not saying that Forumite is town. What I am saying is that the case on him could be a case on several people in this game and the one thing that differentiates Forumite from these others is the meta claims. He lead a case against Mav day 2. But he then drops it to sheep his scum read Hapa's case on BKE. I found it weird that he dropped scum reads on hapa and Mav and then failed to pursue them any further after day 2 but I don't view this as damning evidence. The accusations that BM have been throwing at Forumite since day one and the defense of them which take up a large part of his filter are also hardly damning.
Forumite has not been a particularly active scum hunter. Sheeped the Matt and BKE lynches defended himself when questioned. This could describe many of the players currently in the game.
The weirdest thing is how he dropped his reads on hapa and mav, never to return and sheeped his scum reads case so easily.
All in all I find Forumite mildly scummy but not any more so than the multitude of scummy players in this game.
I do not see anything particularly damning and I find it odd that so many people are voting for him over almost identical candidates.
The thing about Forumite is that he is as scummy or as not-so-scummy as everyone else, as you just mentioned but unlike everyone else he's not just like everyone else, he's Forumite.
You usually don't find mafia-vets by scummyness or something they posted because they don't screw up that badly. Yeah sometimes something weird happens and this game & Matt are the perfect example that these kind of things happen every 10 games or so but in general nothing like that will happen. So what you want to look out for is stuff that is NOT happening. There is no other way to figure out vets.
That method isn't working with other people because for it to work you need to know that the guy in question knows what he's doing which is almost never the case unless you're a vet or have been around long enough to be considered decent.
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On September 12 2012 22:50 Kreb wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 22:43 imallinson wrote:On September 12 2012 22:35 Kreb wrote:
Is there any chance we could get a comment from Toad before its time for night kills? If not it might be good idea for doctors/jailkeepers to move their protection around to people who seem to be more similiar to what hapa/austin was. I imagine theres been quite a few people protecting Toad so far, and that could be up for discussion.
Also note: Im not suspicious of him (well, not more than the paranioa he pretty much asked for us to have regarding him :p), but since he was took the biggest part in the mislynch, it would be nice to know what he has to say about it and what he wants the next move to be. Theres already been two people throwing suspicions his way (Forumite, Grush). Just because he led a mislynch doesn't make him less town. Town players are perfectly capable of being wrong. If we start suspecting everyone who pushes a mislynch we won't have anyone pushing lynches at all. Of course. But given the fact that he pretty much told us we should be paranoid as fuck about him (which I very much am) due to how supposedly good he was as mafia, I at least think we could demand a comment. As I said Im not suspicious, Im just paranoid. I trusted him for this lynch, that trust took a bit of a hit. Im wondering if I should renew the trust or not.
hey am back, haven't read a thing yet and yeah I agree with what you "proposed" although it's for a different reason.
Only got like half an hour time until I've got to leave again but I'll have time later on (like 4 hours prior to deadline) to post something.
However reasoning for medics considering me: I don't think medics / Jailers should be protecting me as well.
Right now there's pretty much no way mafia is going to shoot me because people are getting paranoid about me. Mafia are probably not going to shoot me because they want that paranoia. Yeah I could be saying that as mafia as well giving an explanation why I survived yet another night but it really works both ways.
For all I care, if you're paranoid just track me if you think I'm mafia and frankly I'd actually say that already happened given my "most people are afraid about me" post either n1 or n2 anyways.
Of course if you're a tracker it's up to you when you want to track me because if I was mafia I could just tell people to track me and be the guy who's not delivering a KP (assuming more than 2 mafia alive). So waiting until we've got rid of another mafia might be the way to go for trackers, but it's up to you, I've got nothing to hide :p
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got to go again, see you guys later
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On September 13 2012 02:32 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 23:04 Toadesstern wrote:On September 12 2012 22:50 Kreb wrote:On September 12 2012 22:43 imallinson wrote:On September 12 2012 22:35 Kreb wrote:
Is there any chance we could get a comment from Toad before its time for night kills? If not it might be good idea for doctors/jailkeepers to move their protection around to people who seem to be more similiar to what hapa/austin was. I imagine theres been quite a few people protecting Toad so far, and that could be up for discussion.
Also note: Im not suspicious of him (well, not more than the paranioa he pretty much asked for us to have regarding him :p), but since he was took the biggest part in the mislynch, it would be nice to know what he has to say about it and what he wants the next move to be. Theres already been two people throwing suspicions his way (Forumite, Grush). Just because he led a mislynch doesn't make him less town. Town players are perfectly capable of being wrong. If we start suspecting everyone who pushes a mislynch we won't have anyone pushing lynches at all. Of course. But given the fact that he pretty much told us we should be paranoid as fuck about him (which I very much am) due to how supposedly good he was as mafia, I at least think we could demand a comment. As I said Im not suspicious, Im just paranoid. I trusted him for this lynch, that trust took a bit of a hit. Im wondering if I should renew the trust or not. hey am back, haven't read a thing yet and yeah I agree with what you "proposed" although it's for a different reason. Only got like half an hour time until I've got to leave again but I'll have time later on (like 4 hours prior to deadline) to post something. However reasoning for medics considering me: I don't think medics / Jailers should be protecting me as well. Right now there's pretty much no way mafia is going to shoot me because people are getting paranoid about me. Mafia are probably not going to shoot me because they want that paranoia. Yeah I could be saying that as mafia as well giving an explanation why I survived yet another night but it really works both ways.For all I care, if you're paranoid just track me if you think I'm mafia and frankly I'd actually say that already happened given my "most people are afraid about me" post either n1 or n2 anyways. Of course if you're a tracker it's up to you when you want to track me because if I was mafia I could just tell people to track me and be the guy who's not delivering a KP (assuming more than 2 mafia alive). So waiting until we've got rid of another mafia might be the way to go for trackers, but it's up to you, I've got nothing to hide :p That's bullshit. If you were actually any real danger to mafia based on your scumhunting abilities you would certainly meet the same fate BC and DrH had, no matter the amount of "paranoia" you claim. If you are indeed not mafia and you don't get shot, that's because either mafia doesn't feel threatened by you and it's good keeping you alive, or because you got shot n1 as an assassin (which I'll assume is not what happened). You made one case on forumite in N2 and pretty much did nothing for the rest of day 3. Mafia isn't scared of you, period.
paranoia on me is a reason not be afraid of me as mafia no matter how you see it though.
If mafia thinks they can get a mislynch on me they will leave me alive for that reason and also because they feel that they can divert the right lynches I'm going to push because of that paranoia.
That's the whole point.
I'm btw pretty sure I got shot n1 and protected, which apparently is the reason they didn't shoot me n2. I can't imagine someone else being shot AND being protected at the same time, that'd be way to convenient to make sense.
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I guess that's a fakeclaim to get you killed and test wether or not mafia wants me dead or not?
Because from what you post it sounds like you found something that you consider to be a scumslip.
If that's the case why don't you just post it? That shouldn't take too long.
However, I'm not mafia and therefore you won't find something like that but you're probably getting yourself killed. Have fun being dead and all, unless of course you are mafia YOURSELF, won't shoot yourself tonight (obviously I'd say) and want to play the "see that confirms Toad as mafia. If he was town mafia would have shot me to get 2 kills out of 1KP!" game tomorrow.
So I propose this:
Trackers go and track Z-Boson. If he's a Mad Hatter as he says he is and he genuinely believes me to be mafia he already has the bomb placed on me (as he just claimed) and therefore doesn't need to visit someone as he doesn't need to change the bomb and can just leave it on me. If that guy visits someone we've got ourselves a mafia :p
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oh and if we've got a watcher, watch Z-boson as well. If that guy really is a townie he's going to get shot.
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so it really is a fakeclaim
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Screw the watcher we need a Vig here.
Just Shoot Z-Boson tonight.
If he's really stupid enough to be a Mad Hatter and claim like that I'm dead anyways because Mafia will shoot him to get 2 kills out of 1 KP.
If he's not he's fakeclaiming that on purpose because he's mafia and wants to play a wifom game because obviously he's not going to get shot, which will result in me not being blown up.
Either way it's a perfect scenario for mafia thanks to Z-Boson.
Worst case: He really is a stupid townie he's dead by now and wether or not he gets single-stacked or doublestacked really isn't that much of a difference. All we lose is a single bullet while the townie was dead anyways
Best case: You kill a mafia
You really can't go wrong on this one if you're a vig. So please no protection on him and if we still got a vig just shoot him.
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doubt there's a 2nd suicide bomber. I've never seen a game of mafia with mafia having a role (besides Goon of course) twice. Not even the casual ones and Suicide bomber is a really rare one.
But if you're scared a vig on Z-Boson will do just fine, as mentioned no Watchers needed. Trackers are only needed if we don't have a vig, which we don't know 
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On September 13 2012 06:05 Kreb wrote:
Actually, with all actions happening simultaneously, he should be able to move the bomb should he get killed by the mafia (if hes town). So mafia should still be wary shooting him for that reason, the bomb might end up anywhere.
I'd still prefer not tracking him though, if hes mafia theres no way he'll do the night kills, and even if the claim is true that doesnt mean anything because he wont necessarily move the bomb. Watchers might wanna watch him though.
If people think that way it's a pretty decent reason for mafia to choose him as the guy dealing the KP.
That's why I want trackers on him, to deny him that chance.
It's really only about whether he's smart or "not-so-smart" right now. What I've said was said for a reason but I stand behind what I said: If we got a vig shoot that guy no matter what you think about him. If he's town he's dead anyways and I'm as well if he really told the truth.
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Well that sucks
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On September 13 2012 07:28 Kreb wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 07:26 imallinson wrote:On September 13 2012 07:22 Kreb wrote:On September 13 2012 07:19 imallinson wrote:On September 13 2012 07:17 Kreb wrote:
Theres gotta be a Vig at work here? mkfuba....
Mafia shot Z-Boson + someone else who got saved?
Vig shog mkfuba? Why do you think mkfuba was a vig shot? Because hes been lurking. Why would a mafia wanna shoot him? He's no threat to the mafia as of now. Plus if mafia bought Z-Bosons claim they'd wanna kill him to also kill Toad (supposing Toad is town). They did kill ZB and not toad. That makes it look like scum bought the claim and shot ZB aiming to get toad as well. Yes, thats what I thought too. But thats 1KP on Boson. Would the 2nd KP really be on mkfuba? I dont see that making sense....
I guess they changed the kills in the last second and had not much time to think about it.
Maybe Z-Boson got doublestacked but that kind of defeats the purpose of shooting him to begin with.
So yeah I think both got killed by mafia.
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On September 13 2012 16:01 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 12:55 slOosh wrote:
Not confirmed but it's a strong indicator. There was somewhat of a potential lynch building up against Z-Boson so scum would only have taken the route to shoot for the benefit of 2 deaths for 1 KP. If Toad were scum then they could have just shot someone else and pushed for Z-Boson (as seen from flips supported by town), lynches being the only thing scum are afraid of since I'm pretty sure there aren't any vigs left. We know Toad isn't scum so he is either town or assassin, and in either case we leave him alone.
Let's lynch Graven. That's exactly right. You can defiantly lean town on him but going from that to confirmed makes me uncomfortable. Especially when people are talking about sheeping him immediately.
I consider the fact that mafia usually don't shoot themselves a way better indicator for my townieness. Just saying.
Though yeah, when playing mafia I'm pretty bold but I doubt I'd be that nuts.
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Oh I also don't think there's a medic. Should have probably told you about that earlier considering Z-bosons entire plan was based on being saved by the medic. Didn't think about that in time
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I said either BM or Foru are mafia later on. Something like d2, n2 or d3 I guess? So that one would be the more updated read on BM but not sure if that still holds.
It was based on the "there has to be a mafia vet" assumption and forumite flipping green (=neither red nor black) pretty much destroyed that, or at least it now has an interesting twist to it:
As far as I know we don't actually know whether we've got Assassins in this game or not. If we have some it's highly likely that BM and S&B are those Assassins because hosts don't usually give 3rd party roles to new guys because they're hard to play. If that's the case we obviously don't have a mafia within those 2.
If we don't have Assassins to begin with we probably still have a mafia within those 2.
Not sure I want to take that gamble today.
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Just going to leave this here:
On February 09 2012 02:19 Palmar wrote:
I claim two-face too, you see, the role is shared between two people who are basically masons. That's why I told Toad he was dumb. I threw some suspicion on him day 1 without ever intending to lynch him (we're confirmed town to each other, obviously). Also I told him not to claim, but he refused to listen to that.
He's the "good" part (DT) and I'm the "bad" part (vigilante)
So yeah, I can confirm Toad's claim.
If BM knows what I'm talking about he's good but should shut up at the same time :3
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On September 13 2012 21:22 Bill Murray wrote:
cute
you're still scum. role=/=alignment.
I'm not talking about roles unless of course I want to make it look like I'm talking about roles, in that case I'm totally talking about roles.
But I guess you're good.
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