TL Mafia LVII - Page 4

On September 04 2012 19:29 Miltonkram wrote:
Now that we're 99% sure Mattchew is scum I'd like everyone to turn their attention to Hapahauli.

He chainsaw defends Mattchew after Mattchew recieves pressure from DarthPunk. All the while he avoids actually commenting whether he thinks Mattchew seems guilty or not.

Then he spends time needling the conversation to a point where DarthPunk is willing to unvote Mattchew until BC comes in and blows that shit up (like a bauss).

Other than that he's been plenty forthcoming with town reads, but he has yet to seriously pursue a scum read.

Then he spends time needling the conversation to a point where DarthPunk is willing to unvote Mattchew until BC comes in and blows that shit up (like a bauss).

On September 04 2012 11:12 DarthPunk wrote:


As to Mattchews alignment. He claimed Nosy neighbour. As far as I am concerned if he is not a nosy neighbour it will become apparent over time if he was lying. So I would like to take a wait and see approach. I don't feel like his posts are pro town. Perhaps I am missing things and it is going over my head. But clarity and Transparency are preferable to what has been going on during the last few pages.

On September 06 2012 06:28 Ottoxlol wrote:


I was not the only one joking in the first half an hour, grush, Hapa, Toad made jokes too.

So about Toad, he was active a lot but failed to make a case on why is he voting Matt. You can see our conversation in our filters,

This is why I ask the same question again and again to get scum answer too. You guys are blinded by scum talking bs in the thread.

On September 05 2012 00:45 Toadesstern wrote:

yeah Matt really is someone who's really in your face both as a townie and a mafia.
He's incredible aggressive and / or borderline insulting if people don't think the same way he does.

As mafia he's telling people to shut up and that he doesn't need to explain his reads a bit because people are to retarded to understand it anyways when he knows he's right about something, e.g. when he's bussing a buddy, defending a townie to get towncred or geniunely meant something another way and people are misinterpreting what he said due to a type or something like that.
As Town he does the same when he heavily think's he's right or when someone misunderstands him.

His calm and almost not existing involvement here defenitly is not what matt does when somethings "wrong" according to him.
That either means he acknowledges that he screwed up as a town or that he acknowledges that he screwed up as a mafia and doesn't think it's going to help anymore.
As already mentioned I don't see a reason at all for a town to fakeclaim like this and combine that with him "giving up" and you're good to go.

On September 04 2012 23:21 Toadesstern wrote:

a blue doctor, jailkeep, Tracker, Watcher or Vigi however has no reason to be afraid. Maybe a Mad Hatter would be hard to explain but I'd doubt someone would want to fakeclaim as miller like that as a Mad Hatter.

Picture the situation you're in as a blue: We have trackers and Watchers. What happens is that at some time someone could say "Hey guys, Matt visited X at night Y".
If he's a doctor, tracker or a watcher that's no problem at all because the target in question didn't die. We want to know who visited people who ended up being dead. If he's a doc there's actually a chance he ended up saving someone and that someone could even confirm that. If he is a tracker or a Watcher he is able to claim the results, something Mafia is not able to do.
So a Doc, Tracker or a Watcher are all perfectly fine and there's no reason to fakeclaim like this.

A Jailer can somewhat confirm himself as well as the target he visited ended up being roleblocked every single night. It's only "somewhat" because a mafia RB is possible as well but after all if he's a Jailer he's again only going to visit people who ended up surviving the night.

A vig is somewhat tricky as it's an extremly easy fakeclaim for mafia to do but as long as you claim prior to the deadline everyone's going to be fine with that.

A Mad Hatter is, like a vigi somewhat tricky but as everything else you visited people. That in itself is not a reason to be suspicious of someone and the Mad Hatter is most likely going to visit people who ended up surviving as well unless either the Hatter decides to go after townish looking people for whatever reason or mafia decides to go after bad looking townies for whatever reason.

tl;dr: There's not a single scenario in which a fakeclaim as a blue makes sense. At least I can't think of one because you won't end up being tracked to a kill in pretty much all the cases. On top of that noone is going to be stupid enough to out someone who visited a guy who's still alive because that's basicly outing medics / tracker / watcher in most of the cases.

However there are a bunch of good reasons to fakeclaim this as mafia if you forgot that millers / NN are usually not self-aware in 90% of the games and just did it because he recently played a game with self-aware millers. I think Bang-Bang mafia was one of those for example.

So there's a shitton of explanations from a mafia point of view.
The only possible explanation from a town point of view would probably be "reversed psychology" although you're making yourself a target doing so, which isn't what a blue wants to do either unless he's a Hatter d2 or later.

On September 05 2012 02:09 Toadesstern wrote:

Because there's no reason to fakeclaim as tracker.
As a mafia you blend in as a townie.