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On August 20 2012 09:01 thrawn2112 wrote: /in I feel for ya, bud. | ||
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On August 22 2012 00:10 marvellosity wrote: Number of votes needed to lynch Alsn = marv how's that for maths So are you implying that you are scum? Cuz it sure looks like it. €: Oh wow, even admitting to cutting throats. ##VOTE DAT DUDE | ||
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I'll be working during the night today, and most likely won't be able to find an internet there. Which means I probably won't post during the first ~7-8 hours of the game. But maybe I will. We'll see. | ||
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Because I was "lurking" while I was asleep. He also flipped scum. ergo: mkfuba is SCUM | ||
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My next scumread is ghost. I am a life sized plush dragon. Clearly a scumslip | ||
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On August 24 2012 00:00 thrawn2112 wrote: alright it's time for my first case: the facts: - marvellosity and ghost have already had suspicion cast on them, despite not being in the game - mkfuba votes for Dandel Ion based on pre game banter - mkfuba later tries to provide an out for himself by saying he was just trying to "stimulate discussion" - Dandel Ion for some unexplained reason is willing to accept this response? - meanwhile the host of the game votes mkfuba Conclusion: I think it is safe to assume that the game likely hasn't started yet. Lies. You just try to divert attention. | ||
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On August 24 2012 00:05 Shady Sands wrote: Wonder what it would be like for a bastard mod to start a game without a single mafia member in it, just a whole bunch of one-shot vigis and roleblockers I also want to see a game with just a bunch of different mafia groups and no town (they all think they're the only mafias), where everyone tries to look as "town" as possible. le trollface Too bad this one will only work for a daycycle or two | ||
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This is my second-and-a-half game. If you want to read my first (+1/2) game, it was NMM XXIII, where I rolled vanilla town twice. As I stated before the game I'm at work right now, so I will just post my thoughts on policy for now: First off, considering the effectiveness it had in XXIII, I am strongly in favor of a lurker-lynch policy. Of course, it should primarily be a tool to pressure lurkers into activity, and we shouldn't lynch somebody JUST because he's lurking. But if somebody active seems scummy, and a lurker seems equally scummy, I would probably prefer to lynch the lurker. Note that this is probably only applicable for day 1, since from day 2 onwards, scumreads should usually be strong enough to push through with them. But what I would really like to see is everybody to contribute, and no lurkers at all  Any kind of trolling or lying I would also consider a scum-tell, but always keep in mind that this is a newbie game - in XXIII I tunneled somebody really hard day 1 because I thought he was intentionally trying to sow confusion, when he really was just a... less-than-optimal town player. Try to keep that in mind - judging if somebody plays bad, or plays scummy can be hard, especially if it's his first game and we have no meta to fall back on. On meta, I think it's a good idea for everyone to read past games of other players to get a feel for them, but always consider that we're newbies and meta might change slightly between games too. A little sidenote: please try to be present at day-ends, especially early in the game. Goodnight, town. | ||
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Very pleased with the activity levels so far  Gonna read the thread in detail now. But first: @thrawn: Concerning this post of yours: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579¤tpage=5#88 Do you still want my answer? I can clarify what I meant np, but the topic of lurkers seems almost redundant judging by the amount of posts. Just toss me a quick yes or no. | ||
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@trawn: I did NOT try to suggest we just pick a random lurker and lynch him for the hell of it I DID suggest that somebody that is scummy AND lurky should imo take higher lynch-priority than somebody who's "just" scummy. This is of course within the bounds of reason: If somebody is really really active, but makes several scumslips, I'm not gonna propose we lynch a kinda-scummy lurker. As stated, we probably won't have a lurker issue (most likely thanks to the small 9-person setup), so this is kinda obsolete. @Alsn: On August 24 2012 15:00 Alsn wrote: I noticed that Shady Sands also completely dodged the accusations by Spaghetticus after a post claiming he had to get some work done but has been very busy on TL for the last 2,5 hours. I think it's not generally well-recieved in mafia to argue by using a players activity in the rest of TL. Afair it's not explicitly forbidden in this very game, but it's still a bad argument, and you shouldn't use it. @WeeTee On August 24 2012 15:06 WeeTee wrote: Hi all, sorry for not regularly posting I have Uni commitments and such. I have read through the current content, and every ones filters. It seems to me that everyone has taken a disliking to kushm4sta's quote "Lvdr is 85 percent mafia in my mind though. We should lynch him." Even for a newbie like me I was like .... But I think that a real scum wouldn't reveal information in this clumsy manner and I know i'm not directing any suspicion there as kush is too easy of a target to pick off. I did however notice that Alsn did put a FOS on Kush; to me this seems like Alsn nibbled at the bait, sensing his opportunity to take a weak player down. [...] I will put a FoS on Alsn for this But it is undeniable that kushm4sta is rubbing everyone the wrong way. Let me know what you think about Alsn Fos-ing Kush, Does Alsn see an easy opportunity to take someone out? and why is he the only one that chirped up for the obvious? You say you read the thread and everyone's filters. Then you state that Alsn is the only one that called out kush? You clearly have either: A) not read the thread B) not understood what's happening. Both are not good signs. | ||
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According to OP, it's just cop + JK that are possible. | ||
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On August 24 2012 15:35 WeeTee wrote: I see my mistake in saying "the only one that chirped up", which thrawn just pointed out. please disregard that comment. .... I don't much care if you think I'm a dick for saying this, but please think about your posts BEFORE you post them. Going all "woe is me" and lamenting is not going to change your filter. For the record, I don't really see what you said as a scumslip right now, and I have no intentions of tunneling an argument for all of day 1 again + Show Spoiler + see NMM XXIII if you want to know what I mean. I argued endlessly with a guy that took my critizism as a personal attack and we ended up OMGUS'ing each other endlessly. I'm gonna let your poor wording rest for now, since I don't want to argue with somebody I don't have a good scumread on. That doesn't help anybody. | ||
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On August 24 2012 17:54 kushm4sta wrote: Wow guys everyone wants to kill me because I'm annoying or something and everyone hates me?? Reading this thread makes me want to cry. Honestly I will try harder but if you kill me let me just say that would be a huge mistake beacuse I am no ordinary townsperson. I am the jailkeeper so yeah you really shouldn't kill me. Why are you claiming blue already? It's a bit early, especially considering nobody actually voted for you yet. Several people have also just recently expressed that it would most likely be better to look at other people for the time being. Please explain to me why you claimed now. Because sadly, right now I'm not inclined to believe you. Also, in claims it usually helps believability to have a breadcrumb. Did you make one? | ||
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On August 25 2012 01:43 mkfuba07 wrote: I'll be honest here and say that I'm actually inclined to believe kush. His play has been consistently bad, while I feel a newbie scum would have been far more variant. He would also have another person to discuss his play with, instead of having to hear from us how poorly he's been playing. He seems more 'alone' than a scum would be, if that makes sense. That actually is a decent point. But I'm not so sure that him being "alone" is necessarily a town tell either, the way his case was going for the most part whould most likely discourage scum-partners to defend him too much - it's even more probable that he is subtly bussing him, rather than defending. But this is all pretty WIFOM. As it stands, your point, while a good one, looks like a straight-up null-tell to me. But I understand if you see it as a town-tell.. I also think that kush was playing "bad town" rather than scum for the most part. But I will reserve judgement on him, no matter which way, until he explains why he was claiming JK there. I really don't get it, and as I said, it's not very believable imo. | ||
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On August 25 2012 02:21 Shady Sands wrote: First off, reserving judgment on Kush is bad. Lengthening the amount of time we talk about Kush is going to shorten the amount of time we have to talk about more substantial cases like Lvdr. Furthermore, I don't get why on one hand you understand how mkfuba can see the claim as a town-tell but on the other hand act completely confused about kush. No, that's something different. I'm confused about why kush would claim JK NOW. see this post of mine: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579¤tpage=10#192 I said I understand why mkfuba thinks kush being "alone" is a town tell to him. I disagree, as I said, but it can be a valid point, and I'll keep it in mind. Note that what I talked about: On August 25 2012 01:43 mkfuba07 wrote: I'll be honest here and say that I'm actually inclined to believe kush. His play has been consistently bad, while I feel a newbie scum would have been far more variant. He would also have another person to discuss his play with, instead of having to hear from us how poorly he's been playing. He seems more 'alone' than a scum would be, if that makes sense. Does not have anything to do with his JK claim. It's about his overall play, and that's what I addressed. | ||
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On August 25 2012 02:24 Shady Sands wrote: Also, I don't get why you still want to offer Kush an out in terms of having him build cases. We asked him to build cases pages and pages ago, and he didn't. Why would he start now when his towncred is even lower? EBWOP @ this part: Yes, i think it's better to wait for his explanation/reads. I think we have enough time in day 1 to hear what he has to say. I don't plan on just ignoring that. | ||
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On August 25 2012 04:46 mkfuba07 wrote: This is suspicious to me. We certainly shouldn't focus on one person (kush) if he's not scummy, but we shouldn't be FoS'ing everyone. At this point we actually want to be narrowing down our discussions so that we're not pressed a few hours before vote time. Casting a wide net of suspicion is what mafia want, so they don't have to give strong reads on anyone. Yes, it's bad to suspect too many people just lightly. Lvdr's suggestion to have a "widespread focus" (which doesn't exist, you either focus, a.k.a. tunnel OR your suspicions are widespread) seems a bit fishy to me. It's all good and well to keep an open mind to changes in suspicions, and change targets sometimes. But trying to scumhunt in a "widespread" way looks VERY suspicious to me. In my (albait limited) experience, FoS'ing and lightly suspecting a bunch of people at once is what SCUM wants to do to appear like they are scumhunting. + Show Spoiler + Case in point, Promethelax' play in XXIII. He did just that. For trying to push this kind of scumhunting, my first FoS of the game goes to Lvdr: ##FoS: Lvdr | ||
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On August 25 2012 04:50 kushm4sta wrote: So basically you started accusing lvdr after he began to accuse you. I see this as you just trying to save yourself and again turn the focus on others. Tell me who to save and I will do it to prove that I am jk. Pick the person yourself and claim who it is ~5 minutes before deadline. (so scum don't have time to react) That person can just tell us if he was jailed afterwards. | ||
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On August 25 2012 05:05 Dandel Ion wrote: Pick the person yourself and claim who it is ~5 minutes before deadline. (so scum don't have time to react) That person can just tell us if he was jailed afterwards. EBWOP: That's what I'd do at least. Well, not exactly, I wouldn't claim JK in the first 24 hours at all, but you know what I mean. | ||
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@Shady: It really seems to me like you are carrying over an existing argument/exchange from another ongoing mafia game. I guess it's pretty hard to do (and coincidentially the reason I won't sign up for multiple games, ever), but please try to seperate this game from the other one. | ||
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On August 25 2012 10:22 kushm4sta wrote: I thinly spaghettis reasoning is exactly what I was trying to say. It makes no sense to vote for me after I roleclaimed, which is why shady voting for me instantly is the most suspicious thing any of us have dome yet. Therefore shady should be suspect number 1. Your claim was really, really terrible. Just saying. And I find it interesting that you feel the need to bring this up again, after literally EVERYBODY thinks we should concentrate on other things by now. You should be happy with that instead. Meh, I'm really tired and getting...cranky, I guess. Gotta go to sleep now. | ||
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I will be back (well) before the deadline. Sorry | ||
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Sorry I was pretty busy the last days, I would have liked to be more active too. Bigger post coming soon(tm) | ||
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Dandel Ion is one of the most experienced players in this game, yet he has also been one of the most lurky. He has offered almost nothing but filler posts to appear active while doing basically no scumhunting. He is much too experienced to be as passive as he has been. The only time he has offered a FOS it has been to lightly suspect me, at a time when it was EXTREMELY safe to do so. This is a flat out lie. I have played a SINGLE game of mafia so far. (not counting the half-day that got restarted) lvdr, shady and mkfuba have all played more games, thrawn just as many. I didn't really push anyone but you yet, since all the "cases" so far were pretty much just screaming "bad newbie" to me, instead of "scum". Then there was you VS Shady, which I consider to have not much to do with this game. Well, since that is the extent of your case, I consider it adressed. Since you all seem to want my reads, here we go. (thoughts on other people coming after this, I'm getting pretty annoyed by the whole OMGOMG I'M WAITING FOR HIS POST, so I just decided to split it up.) WeeTee: The extent of his first ~10 posts was either 1) insulting people, 2) not contributing or 3) both. His last post (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579¤tpage=14#266) reads to me like he's just trying to secure a lynch on somebody else, no matter who it is I will put a FoS on Alsn for this But it is undeniable that kushm4sta is rubbing everyone the wrong way. Let me know what you think about Alsn Fos-ing Kush, Does Alsn see an easy opportunity to take someone out? and why is he the only one that chirped up for the obvious? In an earlier post, he FoS'd Alsn for going for the "easy lynch". Behold, just a little later he is doing the SAME thing, to the SAME person. Even though he soft-defended him earlier. The only other thing he has done so far is argue with thrawn. He's not contributing and contradicting his own words. Thus, Weetee is my strongest scum read at the moment | ||
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##Vote WeeTee | ||
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Alsn is my strongest town read at the moment. Posts well thought-out cases, seems to think about the game, nothing even remotely scummy. Just good play. thrawn is being very active, but doesn't do "that much" actual scum-hunting. "that much" means in relation to his post-count. He did contribute though, and I get a solid town read on him. mkfuba has been relatively quiet compared to thrawn/Alsn/lvdr, but he has contributed, and not shown flaws of logic. most likely town. Spag has been the least active of those, in terms of posts. But I don't see anything in his posts that suggests he's scum. They also had good quality. Out of my town reads, he's closest to being a null-read, but I think it more likely he's town. About 60 : 40 if you don't mind me putting it in %. Null reads: Shady seems quick to jump onto people, for seemingly no strong reason. (This is actually indicative of his town "meta", when he was scum against me in XXIII, he was far more hesitant and reserved. I don't put too much stock into meta in general though) Had a big argument with lvdr for no apparant reason, except that they most likely carried the argument over from the other game. I don't like it, but I don't think it's scummy per se. kush: I am reserving what to think about him until day 2. It's useless to speculate on him now, we'll see if his claim holds true or not. There's no rush here. For the record, I don't and didn't believe him. It's a possibility, but I'm not buying it yet. But since he is a terrible day 1 lynch, I won't vote him. lvdr's interactions with Shady are null to me, as I already outlined. He's been active and tried to keep the discussion alive day 1, which would be good for town, but he's done it in a... weird way, like his whole "shady is town" spiel at the start. I wouldn't be confident about him one way or the other. As I write this, he's trying very hard to get my lynched. Maybe I'll have to change my judgement on him very soon, but for now I'll leave what I wrote in. That leaves WeeTee as my only scum read atm. | ||
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On August 26 2012 04:01 Lvdr wrote: I think we can safely bandwagon onto Dandel now. Please lynch I take full responsibility!! First of all, dandel tries to claim my case is mostly about experience or meta reads. Let me be clear: Dandel's filter has HARDCORE LURKING in it. Scummy, mafia, lurking. Second, I think a good case has been laid out for WeeTee being a BAD choice of D1 lynch. Dandel's vote here is essentially 'I pick the more scummy of kush vs. WeeTee.' This also SCREAMS mafia. Also, if you read the end of Newbie III D1 (second time around) you see that Dandel is capable of decisive action towards a quality lynch for town. WeeTee is not a quality lynch! Are you even reading my responses? It was 2 paragraphs: 1 saying you LIED about the experience thing. 1 saying I didn't HAVE strong reads to push. just "bad-town" reads. I was also too busy to spam this thread with useless posts like you did, hence why I'm "Lurking" Make up your mind. You attack some for being too fast to push for easy and obvious lynches, you attack me for not pushing easy and obvious lynches. I think you are trying very hard to cover up your blatant lie with your spam right now. And I can't see a town motivation for that. | ||
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On August 26 2012 04:09 Lvdr wrote: Dandel had to make a pick for his vote. Kush and WeeTee have been two of the most scrutinized players, and they are by far the most obvious and non-controversial targets. He needs to provide a better lynch target than himself and those two are the major possibilities. Kush is not an option for me day 1. It'd be far better to leave him until day 2. I don't wanna risk him being the JK, no matter how small I think this risk is. (and as I said, I do think it small) weetee is my ONLY real option right now, apart from maybe shady or you. I ain't gonna vote my town reads. And I'd much rather vote a scum read, than a null read. | ||
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I really don't get it. You spew a bunch of baseless accusations, and even lie. All your recent posts are just one-liners how "we NEEEEED to lynch Dandel" You ingore what I say, or you twist my posts into fitting your agenda. For what? to defend WeeTee? Why is it so important to you that Wee stays alive? I think you are trying to "defend" him by pushing to lynch me instead. I think you 2 are a scumteam. Since Wee is obviously not present. Or he's just content to let YOU do your thing. Give me some reasons for tunneling me, apart from supposedly "lurking". | ||
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I just didn't have time to post my reads yet, and in the beginning, I didn't have reads I felt like I could push yet. You're lynching me for being busy, and because Lvdr MADE UP arguments. I don't get how you people DON'T find it's suspicious that he needs to lie to make a case. | ||
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I suspect him to still be here and lurking, so he can last-minute switch to me.... | ||
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On August 26 2012 06:00 Shady Sands wrote: He sheeps onto Dandel and then goes AFK from thread. But Lvdr doesn't attack him. What? Because Lvdr think's I'm scum I presume. | ||
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Shit | ||
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Work just cut into my freetime like knife into butter. I didn't know it would, or I wouldn't have signed up in the first place. But now I'm here. I'll have about ~2 hours of time today in the evening. And probably the same amount for the rest of the week. Not that I expect this time will help any, with how it looks. So I'm just gonna play GW2 for most of that. I'd much rather do that anyways. If my best fucking efforts to still be active despite everything are still not enough, no need to bother. Usually the sensible thing would be getting replaced I guess, but the replacement would just get lynched day 2 too, so no need to bother, hm? A dick move? Yeah. But I don't care anymore. | ||
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I really have shit to do, believe it or not. If you want me to pz out and get replaced, I can do it. But I don't see the point. | ||
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Don't think it'll do shit, but w/e you guys want. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579¤tpage=16#314 Pretty much the same now, except that Lvdr has lied on multiple occasions now. It's puzzeling that nobody seems to have a problem with that, but w/e. I don't believe kush's claim, and somebody asked me why I didn't vote for him then. It should be a no-brainer, but: If he isn't JK, it's gonna come out after night 1. If he is, we have a JK. No matter how small I find the possibility, lynching kush day 1 would have been the worst play in fucking history, and I may be a lot of things, but I'm not THAT much of a moron. | ||
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On August 27 2012 14:37 Lvdr wrote: 4. He never referenced any IRL issues that limited his posting D1. Its not hard to say "excuse my low amount of posts, IRL issues." Replacement only came up after the lynch which makes it implausible for explaining the d1 lurkiness. Kid, let me walk you through my filter. You're clearly not able to read it yourself. A fact that I suspected ever since you posted your "case". Pregame: I'm-gonna-be-at-work post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579¤tpage=4#62 First ingame post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579¤tpage=5#86 As I stated before the game I'm at work right now, so I will just post my thoughts on policy for now: more:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579¤tpage=14#265 I will be gone for the next few hours too - I didn't have time to read the thread yet, so I can't really comment right now. I will be back (well) before the deadline. Sorry "well" is in brackets because 3-4 hours might not seem like "well before" to other people. I come back and suddenly there's a case against me. And now people say "hurp durp he didn't say anything until a case was made against him." ..... The post you wanted, apologizing for not being active, that I supposedly didn't write: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579¤tpage=15#297 Okay, I'm here and going to post my current opinions. Sorry I was pretty busy the last days, I would have liked to be more active too. Bigger post coming soon(tm) And as I said, I think it'd be redundant to get me replaced, since the replacement will get lynched within ~10 hours now. But other people seemed to want me to try. Don't know why they did. This is gonna be my last post (very last, probably) because I'm not gonna be here at fliptime. So since I'll have to vote somebody, I'll vote Lvdr. For not being able to read. And for making up shit all the damn time. ##vote Lvdr Pz out. | ||
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On August 29 2012 09:04 thrawn2112 wrote: obs qt? Everyone go over to Newbie 26. I'm glad town won but honestly it felt very anticlimatic. I sorta expected something like this because of the two scum setup. I was secretly hoping that dandel would go green just because it would make for a longer and more interesting game. Dandel after D1 I was still not sure that you'd be a good lynch. What changed that was your posts during N1. Gobalt did a similar thing at the end of the last newbie game... you say "I don't have time for this and idc about the game anymore" but then you say you still aren't going to quit. That absolutely sounds like a scum who's given up but still thins they can win. Then I pressured you to quite, and you said you would do so. But then during D2 all of the sudden you still haven't dropped out and are making a case againt lvdr but say you aren't going to post again? It looked exactly similar to gobalt's tactics during nmmxxiv and it was really the only good reason I had for thinking you were scum. Lvdr: When you first brought up your case against dandel I actually agreed with it. But then dandel pointed out that you had lied about him being extremely experienced, and I began to think about all the other mistakes and lies you had made throughout the game. Like in almost every one of your cases there was a blatant misrepresentation or factual error and it was hard to ignore those. mkfuba: I thought if dandel flipped green then you were probably scum. I guess I just don't like your hesitant playstyle. The way you responded after me making a case against you convinced me you were town. You defended my accusations and then made a good case against shady, that seemed to be a very townie thing to do. weetee: dude you gave me every reason possible to vote for you. wth wouldn't you answer my simple question about lvdr? kush: you should leave emotion out of your posts. you gonna play in newbie 26? alsn: sorry you had to go you seemed smart from the posts you were able to give. lol I was actually expecting myself to be the NK spag: at one point I thought you might be scum but it was your huge ass posts during D1 that convinced me otherwise shady: bro wtf. Right when i was finally willing to consider that you weren't town the whole thing between you and lvdr happened and I was convinced that you two truly were just townies pissed at each other. So good acting/trolling/whatever No I knew I was dead. No point replacing somebody in, in that situation imo. For the record, I did still officially ask for a replacement, because in the off chance I was NOT lynched day 2, I'd still have needed a replacement. I'm kinda mad about how day 1 happened, btw. Everyone jumps me for "lurking" when I specifically said that I was gonna be absent for a large part of the day, and then everybody ignores how Lvdr's 'case' is just a bunch of lies and bullshit. I don't understand it. I'm also pretty certain my posts would have been almost exactly the same if I was town - the only real difference is that I wouldn't have gotten a replacement, and instead asked for a modkill (aka, just not voting). Since that'd be better for town in that situation, no day wasted on the lynch and all. My activity wouldn't have changed, work is still a shit, GW2 is still out, and I would have been mad enough at town/lvdr for being morons (imo) to not post. But yeah, this game was over with the day 1 lynch. In hindsight, I should've yelled at Shady in all caps to bus me instantly, but I still thought the situation salvagable. I did not expect people to buy Lvdr's case, ever. Serious overestimation on my part. Also, I'm sorry for screwing Shady over. He was playing pretty well. | ||
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On August 29 2012 10:10 thrawn2112 wrote: my reasoning was that if you were town you would have still tried to scumhunt even if you knew you were going to die something just didn't seem right I know myself very well, and I wouldn't have. Because fuck that. Also, I am/was a serious GW addict and I need my fix. I know what it'd look like, but I promise you I wouldn't have done shit anymore. I would've thought "this town can lose for all I care". Not saying that that's ALWAYS what I'd do, but if I have ~2 hours of free time a day at max, I'd rather spend it with something fun, instead of answering lvdr and getting ignored, just so he can make random shit up a few hours later. | ||
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On August 29 2012 10:32 Shady Sands wrote: If there's anything that kind of bothers me about this game, it's being told by Dandel midway through N1 that I was getting a new scum team member, then not hearing a peep about that for the next 48 hours. That really threw me for a loop as I had no way to coordinate a bus or do anything D2. As I said, I PM'd ghost for one. He said something about asking somebody, and I never heard anything again. Not like it would've mattered if somebody else went to the chopping block for me. | ||
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Dandel Ion
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On August 29 2012 10:35 Hapahauli wrote: @ Dandel Ion: Well it isn't so much about what you would or wouldn't do as town - it's about this game and what you should have done to keep yourself alive as mafia, no? While I didn't think you were scummy at all D1, you needed to do more to get yourself out of the lynch on D2. You could have been much more proactive in your defense and probably could have gotten Lvdr lynched if you tried harder. Certainly you could do much better than the above to push a lynch, no? I actually find it hard to believe you'd post something like this as town, having played with you in XXIII. I don't think I could have, realistically. I could have thrown down a larger, better-worded post, yes. But I wouldn't have been able to do anything else, no follow-ups, nothing. I am convinced it would've never been enough to get an actual lynch off on Lvdr. Not enough time, and it sucked. Majorly. But eh, what can you do.... €: Nvm at you too, then | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
You actually were my #1 cop read. But Shady thought it was Alsn, and I thought it'd be better to NK Alsn anyways, since you kinda didn't do anything. imo lynching dangerous players > trying to snipe blues that are not really dangerous. (hence why we didn't kill kush) Also, I couldn't be sure if there even WAS a cop. So it was Alsn. | ||
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