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What do you guys think about mkfuba? I'm gonna quote some of his posts regarding WeeTee.
On August 26 2012 01:11 mkfuba07 wrote:My second candidate at the moment is WeeTee. Though in general I agree with Spag's recent posts, Thrawn raises a good point in that WeeTee has yet to take a side in most matters. Also, he has voted for kush because of his defensive, inexperienced play, when WeeTee himself is using it in his own defense as a bad townie. I would prefer to vote for him only as a last resort, but am willing to as he was my second scumread earlier in the game. As an aside, I realize I didn't mention this earlier. I found him more suspicious than kush for reasons that I couldn't put into words, so I didn't comment on him until I found out what was bugging me. Thrawn's post showed me what I was missing.
In that post he says his 2nd scumread is WeeTee. He says that WeeTee was also his 2nd scumread earlier in the game for reasons he couldn't put into words.
On August 26 2012 05:48 mkfuba07 wrote:
##Unvote
##vote WeeTee
I do feel reluctant for reasons that I can't quite explain, but I truly want to avoid a no-lynch, and WeeTee is my second scumread anyway.
Another instance of him mentioning WeeTee and reasons that are unexplainable.
Look at his filter and you'll see he doesn't give a scumread until halfway into D1 and only does so because someone asked him for a read. Up till then he wasn't suspicious of anyone. Here's the timestamp of the post if you wanna look it up:
On August 25 2012 02:31 mkfuba07 wrote:
At the moment it's actually Lvdr.
Before the vote his top scumread was lvdr. Then out of nowhere there is this post:
On August 26 2012 05:29 mkfuba07 wrote:
##Unvote
Naturally, I'm currently looking at Dandel lon or WeeTee. As far as Dandel lon goes, I'm ignoring the fact that he's voting for WeeTee, because that is basically his only viable option. WeeTee's vote, on the other hand, I find to be one of his most suspicious actions. He votes for kush for the same reasoning that he uses to defend himself. Also, though I know there's a lot of speculation as to whether or not the JK claim was real, saying "I'd rather lynch him and know if he was JK than keep wondering" (paraphrased) is scummy. Whether or not you believe kush's role claim, WeeTee's reason for voting for him is anti-town.##vote Dandel lon
His first scumread of the game was lvdr, and then he votes for lvdr, and then all the sudden his 2 scumreads are dandel lon or WeeTee? What happened to lvdr being his strongest scumread?
He makes suspicious posts about WeeTee and has a lack of consistency in what was his "top" scumread. He didn't accuse anyone of being scum until he was asked to and said his top scumread was lvdr. Then he votes for lvdr and says WeeTee is his back up plan and that he's been suspicious of WeeTee the whole game for reasons he didn't know at the time. Then lvdr suggests voting for dandel and all the sudden mkfuba abandons his top scumread (lvdr) and doesn't mention him again for the rest of the game. Mkfuba votes for dandel. Then close to deadline he switches his vote for WeeTee and once again talks about his unexplainable feelings.
##FOS mkfuba07
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On August 27 2012 10:45 Spaghetticus wrote:
##FoS thrawn2112
I have been thinking you bad town for some time, but the constant discrepancies between your reads and my own are starting to be suspicious. I'm putting you as my scummiest read after Shady Sands and Dandel Ion. It is not that you are completely irrational like WeeTee and Kush have been previously, but that you seem both capable of logic and complete irrationality.
Why FOS me now? Was it that my latest post was irrational and that was the tipping point? What's your disagreement with my read on mkfuba? If you don't have any then I don't see why you would FOS me all of the sudden.
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Your statements about why you didn't want to share reads on WeeTee make sense from a town-mkfuba perspective. But not being suspicious of anybody until someone asks you for a read is scummy behavior. Call it timid town play but to me it looked like you weren't scumhunting. You say you were consistent with your lvdr scumread. Everything you said about him was consistent, but your overall stance on him wasn't consistent because you completely abandoned your biggest case without telling us why he wasn't your top read until after the fact (just now.)
It's hard to see you as town if you're really just playing timidly... being timid and not sharing reads are scum traits.
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On August 27 2012 12:03 mkfuba07 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 17:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
Well it seems like shady and lvdr are incredibly pissed at each other. I sense a lot of tension between them and that strikes me as townish behavior because I don't think scum would bus each other as hard as they are doing. Shady looks more townish than lvdr, because lvdr has made quite a few posts based on inaccuracies and he's backtracked on his words a few times. However lvdr has given acceptable town motivations for a lot of his posts so I'm gonna say that they are both town and they need to calm the fuck down.
Dandel lon barely avoided being lynched yesterday so I'm gonna focus on him right now. It's very suspicious that he almost got lynched and then a townie got lynched instead... so I'm going to read through the posts made during the last few hours of D1.
This quote is suspicious to me. The second sentence implies that they're either both town or both scum, and their attacks on each other make them appear townish because scum wouldn't bus each other this hard. This is a false dichotomy, and I'm not sure why Thrawn would see their suspicions of each other as two parts of one whole. It's as if he's reduced the situation to: they're scum bussing each other, or they're both town suspecting each other. Why abandon the possibility of one of them actually being scum? He then says that Shady looks more townish than Lvdr because of Lvdr's inconsistencies, but then says that Lvdr has given reasons for his actions which removes his suspicion. He gives no reasons for why Shady looks town, but says that he looks more townish because of Lvdr's previously suspicious behaviour. This ties back into his previous implication that they share an alignment, an implication that has no basis. The entire first paragraph seems like a soft defense of Shady without actually providing any evidence of his towniness.
You say I gave no reasons for shady being town but as kush pointed out my read on shady has been town all game. My last read on shady is here. As for not pointing out that only one could be scum.. I didn't think that was the case because I thought they were both town.
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On August 27 2012 14:29 Spaghetticus wrote:
If I can't get a lynch on Shady, I am sure as hell getting a lynch on Dandel. He is so scummy it hurts. His opting out of the game is the only reason I have to doubt him, and that is also consistent with a mafia who is looking at a lynch. Think about it, if you were mafia and everyone was zeroing in on you, you could opt out to preserve your fragile self-esteem, or you could opt out to stop people lynching you as scum, which would lead to a better chance of scum victory.
I will be doing more posting later, at the moment I'm just doing spot responses.
That's what I was thinking when I posted this:
On August 26 2012 20:29 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 20:22 Dandel Ion wrote:
Meh.
Work just cut into my freetime like knife into butter.
I didn't know it would, or I wouldn't have signed up in the first place. But now I'm here.
I'll have about ~2 hours of time today in the evening. And probably the same amount for the rest of the week.
Not that I expect this time will help any, with how it looks. So I'm just gonna play GW2 for most of that. I'd much rather do that anyways. If my best fucking efforts to still be active despite everything are still not enough, no need to bother.
Usually the sensible thing would be getting replaced I guess, but the replacement would just get lynched day 2 too, so no need to bother, hm?
A dick move?
Yeah. But I don't care anymore. So what are you going to do? This statement... Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 20:22 Dandel Ion wrote:usually the sensible thing would be getting replaced I guess, but the replacement would just get lynched day 2 too, so no need to bother, hm? ...makes it look like you are going to stay in the game. But if you don't care about the game, then why would you remain in it? If you truly don't want to play anymore then you should drop out and ask for a replacement.
He says he absolutely didn't have time to play... but then acts like he was going to stay in the game because "replacement would just get lynched day 2 too, so no need to bother, hm?" But if he couldn't play or didn't care... why would he want to remain in the game at all? He only dropped out of the game once he was pressured to do so.
Is dandel going to be replaced?
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On August 27 2012 14:45 Lvdr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 10:45 Spaghetticus wrote:
##FoS thrawn2112
I have been thinking you bad town for some time, but the constant discrepancies between your reads and my own are starting to be suspicious. I'm putting you as my scummiest read after Shady Sands and Dandel Ion. It is not that you are completely irrational like WeeTee and Kush have been previously, but that you seem both capable of logic and complete irrationality. I agree with this and I also think that the fos on mkfuba from thrawn is quite suspicious. First, the wagon on WeeTee was largely thrawn's doing. I thought it was just bad play at the time, but it could be more sinister. Second, given WeeTee's green flip, I think Dandel HAS to be suspect #1. This smells like mafia trying to disperse the suspicion on the hopes that the replacement wipes the slate for dandel and town can be sent in another direction. The case made by Thrawn also seems like a huge reach and not very strong. HOWEVER, we need to lynch dandel before we decide who to lynch next. If dandel is mafia, THEN we can decide (based on evidence) who his partner is. If he is not, we will have a body of evidence and a number of suspicious players to look at.
Most of my suspicion on WeeTee was because I asked him a question over and over without him even acknowledging it... was probably around 10 times and even spaghetticus asked him. + Show Spoiler +On August 25 2012 23:17 Spaghetticus wrote:
WeeTee, you are doing yourself no favours by leaving this to hang. Please make your position here clear! I am bolding this shit so you no longer have an excuse!!
I do agree to a lynch on dandel because of his D1 lurking and the odd manner in which he dropped out, but when the replacement comes we shouldn't ask the replacement to defend things dandel said because that is a big waste of time. A replacement would not be able to interpret/explain dandel's posts better than any one of us.
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##Vote Dandel Ion The way he said he wanted to quit but wasn't going to, then was like "ok fine I'll quit," and now apparently isn't quitting reeks of scum shenanigans. Saying you don't care and want to quit but not doing so just doesn't make sense.
If he ends up flipping green I will be extremely suspicious of lvdr. The dandel lon thing was his idea in the first place and it came out of nowhere. He has been called out for inconsistencies/lies more than anyone else and although he's given a lot of reasonable town explanations for them, at some point enough is enough.
I'm not going to be posting as much as I have been due to real life things. Not gonna go into lurk mode but don't expect 24/7 posting from me anymore.
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sup guys. today's been pretty boring.
I guess the recent silence means dandel is getting lynched?
Shady it's been a long time since we've heard from you. You were strongly opposed to the dandel lynch even to the point of accusing lvdr of trying to trick everyone into a mislynch. It's looking like dandel is gonna be lynched, are you still against that? Also are your top scum reads still kush and lvdr?
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kush
Scum can decide which of them gets to perform the nk, so the mafia nk will go through as long as whoever does the hit isn't roleblocked.
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D2 has been very slow. Everyone has pretty much gone into lurker mode especially in the last 24 hrs. I know it's because it's pretty clear that Dandel will be lynched, but regardless of the outcome of the lynch I think we've wasted a lot of time. My advice on scumhunting after the lynch is the following:
If Dandel flips red:
If dandel flips red then attention will first need to be paid to anyone who played a part in stopping him from being lynched during D1. Look at the people who voted for WeeTee and try to figure out who was the most scummy about their WeeTee vote.
If Dandel flips green:
This will be awful because it will leave town in a horrible position (3 town/2 scum) for D3 unless a RB stops the NK. However we shouldn't be demoralized if this happens because it will give a lot of information that sheds light on possible scum tactics that went on during D1. If Dandel is green then I'm going to start by looking at the people who were in agreement with voting for either WeeTee/Dandel and try to find out who seemed to care the least which one was lynched.
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obs qt?
Everyone go over to Newbie 26.
I'm glad town won but honestly it felt very anticlimatic. I sorta expected something like this because of the two scum setup. I was secretly hoping that dandel would go green just because it would make for a longer and more interesting game.
Dandel after D1 I was still not sure that you'd be a good lynch. What changed that was your posts during N1. Gobalt did a similar thing at the end of the last newbie game... you say "I don't have time for this and idc about the game anymore" but then you say you still aren't going to quit. That absolutely sounds like a scum who's given up but still thins they can win. Then I pressured you to quite, and you said you would do so. But then during D2 all of the sudden you still haven't dropped out and are making a case againt lvdr but say you aren't going to post again? It looked exactly similar to gobalt's tactics during nmmxxiv and it was really the only good reason I had for thinking you were scum.
Lvdr: When you first brought up your case against dandel I actually agreed with it. But then dandel pointed out that you had lied about him being extremely experienced, and I began to think about all the other mistakes and lies you had made throughout the game. Like in almost every one of your cases there was a blatant misrepresentation or factual error and it was hard to ignore those.
mkfuba: I thought if dandel flipped green then you were probably scum. I guess I just don't like your hesitant playstyle. The way you responded after me making a case against you convinced me you were town. You defended my accusations and then made a good case against shady, that seemed to be a very townie thing to do.
weetee: dude you gave me every reason possible to vote for you. wth wouldn't you answer my simple question about lvdr?
kush: you should leave emotion out of your posts. you gonna play in newbie 26?
alsn: sorry you had to go you seemed smart from the posts you were able to give. lol I was actually expecting myself to be the NK
spag: at one point I thought you might be scum but it was your huge ass posts during D1 that convinced me otherwise
shady: bro wtf. Right when i was finally willing to consider that you weren't town the whole thing between you and lvdr happened and I was convinced that you two truly were just townies pissed at each other. So good acting/trolling/whatever
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everyone get your asses over to XXVI
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my reasoning was that if you were town you would have still tried to scumhunt even if you knew you were going to die
something just didn't seem right
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spag when I put that fos on mkfuba and you responded, I immediately thought that you and mk were a potential scumteam. I actually did pick up on how much you were overplaying how irrational you thought I was and the FOS seemed extremely uncalled for. I make a case against mk, and immediately someone puts an fos on me, calls me dumb without giving examples why, and doesn't actually respond to anything I said about mk? And then mk himself puts an fos against me? Apparently you did it with town motivations but at the time it really looked scummy. I ended up not committing to the read because I reread your filter and got a pretty strong town read from it so I decided to drop the issue until after the dandel flip. If dandel would have flipped green I would have probably thought you and mk were the scumteam.
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yeah i just couldn't see the town motivations for that post at the time. now it makes sense knowing that you're cop... but it was definitely your scummiest post
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On August 29 2012 13:53 Lvdr wrote:
Also to clear up the 'experience' read on dandel.
In Newbie III (which I played with him) he was a key player for the town. Whether he's played a lot of games or not, he showed skills that I didn't think he was applying in this game.
I think if you would have explained that before the d1 wouldn't have been tricked by shady into doubting your case on dandel... sorry lol
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On August 29 2012 13:55 Lvdr wrote:
Also it seems my town meta is extremely scummy. Hasn't gotten me lynched yet lol.
my town meta is to be the direct and original cause of a D1 mislynch
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On August 29 2012 14:24 Blazinghand wrote: Newbie games are very swingy.
I don't think anyone saw 24 ending up how it did
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