GG~

I was wrong so many times, in regards to blue role alignments. T.T

And sorry z-boson. I should have showed up earlier near D3 deadline. Like you said, (though not really sure), it could have made a difference

YourHarry

United States1152 Posts

August 27 2012 05:56 GMT

#1104

@Everyone. Isn't practically everything WFIOM, outside blue role investigations?

@GK I thought my defending Golbat would be along the lines of my meta. It's WIFOM, but I thought scum Golbat would have hard time making the Jhyut night kill. Disagree?

Also I defended Thrawn using the exactly the same logic. Do you remember? Thrawn flipped town, so I thought my defense of Golbat was almost called for.

As for FOSing Z-boson, his accusation of me playing the sole meta game and thus Jhyut NK means I am scum... I thought that was a FOS worthy post indeed.

And remember the Thrawn/Ochrow scum suspects that started because they agreed and defended each other. They turned out to be towns together.

Taken together, I am not sure if defending a player or busing a player could be used as associative tells. For example, me refusing to get on the Solar wagon when the lynch candidates seemed to be me or Solar. The interpretation has been made that this is because Solar is my scum team, therefore I had to start an original case against GK. This is what I hoped people would think.

So, I think it's WIFOM. If not, I could have made soft-defended or awkwardly FOS'ed town players to incriminate them.

At least, this is what I think.

YourHarry

United States1152 Posts

August 27 2012 05:58 GMT

#1105

Oh one more thing. I forgot to ask: What did you think was my scum motivation for choosing Archrun lynch over Shady lynch on Day 1.

IIRC, we needed one additional vote to execute Archrun lynch - along with Thrawn's vote. So that seemed possible.

YourHarry

United States1152 Posts

August 27 2012 06:01 GMT

#1106

As for playing my meta, I think it's because I actually don't know how to scum hunt. Period.

To me everything is WIFOM. I could try to post in a style that would be more acceptable and in line with how other people on this forum think, but I would be lying to myself when I make cases.

Oh and I almost forgot. You did an excellent job, GK. It was super impressive.

YourHarry

United States1152 Posts

August 27 2012 06:48 GMT

#1110

@Blazinghand

Oh! OK. That makes sense! My misunderstanding of the word was, sort of, the culprit in my latest posts.

But if this is the case, would you say that: the inference that Golbat is likely town based on Jhyut because Golbat would have had harder time lynching Jhyut is WIFOM?

How about: conclusion that Thrawn is likely town because scum Thrawn would not have liked to NK Archrun, which would have made Thrawn look bad?

YourHarry

United States1152 Posts

August 27 2012 07:02 GMT

#1115

@GK

Initial defense followed by later accusation vs. initial accusation followed by later defense. There is a difference. I guess this is a valid point, under my new understanding of Wine That May Be Harder to Poison. But I don't think it should have been too significant of a tell - otherwise, I could simply start out defending a townie then accuse the townie, before my scum flip to incriminate the player.

GK wrote:
You temporarily voted Archrun, but your final vote was on Shady day one. You can vote switch all you want, and I will be accordingly suspicious if you don't justify why. But who you voted at the end of the day is especially important. That you switched onto Shady last-minute felt scum-motivated, but really why do I need to repeat myself here? I have a filter that discusses the same content in it...

From the perspective of a townie who wants to make a difference in the outcome of the lynching, the final voting may not always reflect the most scummy reads. A townie could have thought that Shady was the second most townie person after Thrawn, in which case his final voting action of choosing Shady over Thrawn - after attempting to push Archrun wagon which at one point seemed possible - is understandable. By the same token, the final voting status is sometimes circumstantial. I think the circumstances that accompanied the change in the voting is more substantial than the final vote.

For example, if Archrun lynch absolutely seemed impossible, and I was simply making a show before voting Shady, then it would be scummier.

Of course, from my perspective, I wanted this to be my town tell. That if Archrun and Shady both flipped town, I wanted people to think I am likely town - by Wine That May Be Harder to Poison reasoning.

Also, I wanted people to suspect Thrawn - if I ever flipped scum before Thrawn - for my insisting Shady lynch of Thrawn.

So in that sense, I was scummy. But I think I still have hard time understanding your reasoning of my scum motivation.

Blazinghand, thoughts?

YourHarry

United States1152 Posts

August 27 2012 07:10 GMT

#1117

On August 27 2012 15:52 Blazinghand wrote:
Basically, the Jhyut NK was a bad move, and here's why: No matter who you are, as scum you benefit from Jhyut being alive. If you're Golbat, sure, you benefit, but if you're YourHarry, you also benefit from him being alive because he's an easy mislynch target. Mislynches help scum regardless.

The Jhyut NK is neither WIFOM nor useful in any sense: it just doesn't say anything. Jhyut was a threat to nobody and was useful alive to scum regardless of who they were. All it says is scum made a bad judgement on their NK.

Now, regarding the Archrun NK, given that there are 2 NKs and a claimed Vigi, who was pressuring his NK target the day before, you should accept the Vigi's claim on its face. If the Vigi is fakeclaiming, the real vigi can just counterclaim, then you can lynch both of them, and boom: you've caught one scum. a one-for-one lynch trade is fine. Given that the vigi didn't counter claim, Thrawn was 100% confirmed not Mafia. He might have possibly been the SK, but you'd find that out if there was another 2-kill night later.

The D2 lynch should not have happened and there's no reasonable justification for it.

Ya I admit Jhyut was a bad lynch (and I am directly responsible for it

).

I see. I guess I agree that mislynches help scum regardless.

Definitely Jhyut being alive would have helped me AND Golbat immensely. But wouldn't it have helped other players less? Like those that were receiving less attention, e.g. Darth?

As for Thrawn: being scum made it easy for me to tell that Thrawn was vigilante. Which is the reason for my initial defense. So indeed it may have been a mistake to suddenly accuse him - to get along with other players in the game.