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goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 19 2012 23:03 GMT
#661
@Stutters:

Thank you for your case!


But a couple things:

First, Shady is dead...

Second, I urge you to look into if his play has a scum agenda than if his play has some inconsistencies. Otherwise, for all we know YourHarry is playing a really, really bad town game. Upon re-reading your post, you actually seem to have done a decent job of this.


My current read on YourHarry: I also believe that YourHarry is scum. Some things that have stuck out specifically to me (outside of "associative reads"):

I do find it a little suspicious he tunneled me so hard with such a weak case early game. Especially considering his early pre-game comments. I could see him, as scum, believing I'd be an easy target based off my admittedly weak performance in NMM XXIII.

However, the biggest move that could be from a scum agenda I've seen from YourHarry so far is his last minute vote switch to Shady day one. Offing the most vocal town presence day one was very beneficial to the scum team.


His views on Thrawn and Ochrow seem very suspect by association, but keep in mind none of these players have flipped yet. I don't think this was really a large motivating factor in your read, but still I felt it was worth mentioning.

With all that being said, I'm going to take a quick reassessment of YourHarry's filter before the voting deadline (in other words, in the upcoming hour).
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 19 2012 23:16 GMT
#671
@Obvious:

Really? Instead of giving us your impressions your only reaction is to OMGUS the two people voting you?

@YourHarry:

As always, you should be voting your best read. Being scared of getting lynched isn't helping your case. That's a scum reaction. If you're really town, you still have 45 mins. to convince people to vote for your top scum read, and that's what you should be doing.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 19 2012 23:29 GMT
#678
@YourHarry:

What do you think of Obvious/Ochrow? I feel the case against Ochrow has already been well presented, but Obvious's OMGUS response so far instead of constructive contributions on current lynch candidates gives me a scum read on him (even if for a second I were to ignore Ochrow ever existed...). What are your thoughts and impressions on this?

And who is your strongest scum read if it's not Thrawn? Golbat? I would be interested in knowing. And if you are a townie in danger of being mislynched it would benefit all of us to know your reads before you potentially die and any reads you haven't shared are lost forever.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 19 2012 23:29 GMT
#679
Nvm. YourHarry just sniped me.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 19 2012 23:32 GMT
#682
@YourHarry:

But still if you have any thoughts on Obvious I'd love to hear them.

@Z-Boson:

I've asked you before, but I'll ask you again.: Can you please share your current thoughts on the Obvious/Ochrow case.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 19 2012 23:57 GMT
#700
Of my three scum suspects, I feel Thrawn is the worst lynch choice as his claim is semi-confirmable. Apparently many of you don't think that. Since one of the three is almost guaranteed to be lynched right now, I will stand by my current vote for the time being.

@YourHarry:

Okay. I at least understand where you're coming from now (though I don't agree with you), so thank your for presenting your thoughts on Ochrow.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 20 2012 00:37 GMT
#718
Okay. I'll be perfectly honest...

I'm quite upset about day 2.

First thing's first: My "association case" can be thrown out the window.


Some things to note:

Like 90% of the conversation was dominated by only a small number of people. We have many lurkers among us right now, who are my current focus. Especially those who voted Thrawn at the beginning of the day, then afked all the way through the end.

Along those lines:

Regarding Golbat:

This is a guy whose play I've seen. Darthpunk, I'd really like to hear your read on this guy. He's been playing much differently from how he played in XXII. At first I considered it an over-reaction to getting lynched day one in that game.

But, there's quotes like this:

On August 18 2012 15:59 Golbat wrote:
-snip-
Apologies. I didn't mean to come off as defensive, just that I'm not intentionally lurking, just not posting uselessly. in my last game I died before I could make a big contribution, and I just want to help catch a scum before I die this game. Now is the time to step it up I guess.


He's like "please just keep me alive." I see scum-motivation in this statement. And what's been his "big contribution?" AFKing for the last day of the voting process, when his opinions and contributions could be used the most...

So much for stepping up, I guess...

##FoS: Golbat




I know people hate discussing suspects and such at night (my read, anyway, from how scarce discussion was on night one). But if our plan is to derp around all night, argue suspects for 24 hours the next day, then derp around until the last hour of the next, we may as well concede now.


TL;DR:
Town, get it the fuck together.

Thanks.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 20 2012 05:35 GMT
#726
I'm in general agreement with DarthPunk's list. However, my top three suspect list would look like:

Golbat

Jhuyt

Obvious/Ochrow


I've already expressed my viewpoints on all three of these suspects. Golbat and Jhuyt are quite lurky, and have not been proactive about scumhunting.

Obvious/Ochrow I'm not ready to discount. He hasn't been given much of a chance to establish himself as town, but his predecessor had quite the track record of not sticking his neck out. And so far Obvious is no different. In fact his first reaction to my request to provide some meaningful input on lynch suspects was to OMGUS me, followed by OMGUS-ing the other person who voted him (SolarSail)...

And YourHarry isn't off my scum suspects list, but he isn't in the top three anymore (He'd be like #4). His playstyle is full of inconsistencies, but to his credit he made a legitimate effort to push his scum suspect even when there was a good chance of him being lynched. And he has at least made some effort to explain his behavior to us. His playstyle is so unpredictable it's incredibly hard to get a good read on him... I'm somewhat considering a policy YourHarry lynch Day 1 from now on when he's in the same game. + Show Spoiler +
(And the sad thing is I'm not even kidding -_-)
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 20 2012 05:57 GMT
#727
And a few other quick notes:

-I do feel part (maybe even a very big part) of the Thrawn lynch falls on my shoulders, as I was the one who constructed the "association case" that was a large consideration by some of those who voted for him. But I will say this: I warned everyone several times that you should be voting your strongest read and not be voting by association of unflipped players alone.

-Let's please not make "master lists" of every player and our read on them. Let's stick to top scum suspects please. Comprehensive lists shares all our impressions with scum, and can be easily exploited.

-Tomorrow there will be (barring a lucky save): 5 town, 3 mafia. Therefore, vote consolidation will be imperative to a proper lynch. Assuming no busing, we need at least 4/5 townies to lynch a scum, and only if we get 4 votes first in a tie situation. Needless to say, this will be very difficult without crafting a good strategy going into tomorrow. I'm not sure how we should proceed to ensure we get the votes, and would like to hear others' suggestions on this point.


And now what's going to be my most controversial point, a discussion on lurkers:

-In an ideal world all scum would be loud, and we could read through and easily spot the inconsistencies in their play. But right now, I'm inclined to believe at least one scum is a lurker, so that's going to be the focus of my attention. All current lurkers had better speak up when pressured or I'm voting them. I don't really care at this point if they're town or not + Show Spoiler +
(and I know this will be something people might angrily quote as a "scumslip")
.

If they don't speak up I'm assuming they're scum. If they are town, and they're lynched, then our loss squarely falls on their shoulders. Part of being town is establishing you're town, and if you put no effort whatsoever into doing that you should as well give up on playing this game and find a replacement. Because we can't afford to deal with inactive townies now. We're likely going into MYLO, and everyone has to participate for us to have a chance at winning.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 20 2012 10:12 GMT
#728
A much-belated EBWOP:

I'm mostly in agreement with DarthPunk's suspect list, with one notable exception (Obvious/Ochrow).
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 20 2012 10:39 GMT
#730
@Darthpunk:

There is some meaningful discussion posted by Obvious on this page. But one post isn't enough for me to take him off my scum radar.


And as far as lurkers go:
Would you be willing to take the hardline stance of pressuring lurkers? And if they refuse to cooperate, lynching them?

You may not like it. Honestly I don't either. But if you say, "Hey everyone. You should be ashamed of being inactive." There's no personal accountability in that message, and you can expect there will be no meaningful change in activity day 3.

There are several lurkers right now, to the point where I strongly suspect we have inactive lurker scum in this game. The best way to get them, and any potential townie lurkers, active is to pressure them. The easiest way to pressure them is to vote them if they refuse to help us scumhunt.


If you see other options, I'd be happy to hear them.

But how I see it right now, I have no clear scum reads amongst the current active players, and amongst the lurkers is the only spot left to really look.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 20 2012 23:59 GMT
#736
Okay, town. Listen up. In the likely occurance of my death, I have a few things I’d like to share.:
First, the obvious. We pretty much need to establish a majority to lynch a scum today. The only way to really achieve this is with a unified town.

Regarding the Plurality Vote System, a little after the fact:
The plurality vote system was quite deceptive, and I feel I am in part to blame for the indecision we’ve had in establishing clear lynch candidates. Instead of having 3+ candidates we really needed to consolidate into two and treat it like a majority vote system. We’ve allowed scum to hide by more or less giving them a pass to vote whoever they want as long as they can give some wishy-washy reason why. For this reason, don’t expect to spot them from vote history.
But not all hope is lost. I am pretty confident that the following two are scum:

Jhyut:
This guy is clearly a lurker. But take a moment to look at his views.: He clearly is not very interested in scumhunting. He pops up on rare occasion to make +1 comments and reaffirm other people’s cases without adding too much more of his own, with the possible exception of YourHarry who he’s been tunneling now for quite a while.
So his reasoning for lynching YourHarry.:
On August 18 2012 21:11 Jhuyt wrote:
When I looked at the case GK made in this post I got the feeling that you might be scum, but I wasn't sure. When I couple that with your scumslip it makes more sense that he's right and therefore I think you're scum.

The benefit of the doubt line was one that I was considering to cut out of the post because it doesn't add anything and I'm pretty sure I misused the expression.

I should have said that while I do think you're scum I think that YH's behaviour is way scummier and so much more anti-town that a lynch on him is necessary so that we can have a clearer discussion.

What really bothers me here is he expresses how he doesn’t even really care how YH flips because removing his “anti-town” behavior would be good for us even if he’s town. And this was the turn where we were confronting the possibility of MYLO… And what does he say of Thrawn, the other major lynch candidate?:
On August 18 2012 21:11 Jhuyt wrote:
When I looked at the case GK made in this post I got the feeling that you might be scum, but I wasn't sure. When I couple that with your scumslip it makes more sense that he's right and therefore I think you're scum.

The benefit of the doubt line was one that I was considering to cut out of the post because it doesn't add anything and I'm pretty sure I misused the expression.

I should have said that while I do think you're scum I think that YH's behaviour is way scummier and so much more anti-town that a lynch on him is necessary so that we can have a clearer discussion.


Okay so my case makes him suspicious of Thrawn. But later that day:
On August 20 2012 01:04 Jhuyt wrote:
@Thrawn:

Show nested quote +
On August 17 2012 04:20 Jhuyt wrote:
The lurkers before that post were gobalt, archrun, jhyut, ochrow, and stutters.

Gobalt had accused me of being scummy, and had expressed belief in solar's innocence during the troll posts
Jhyut made the comment about his outside experience with solar and he softly accused yh of being scummy
Ochrow said he thought solar was town and that shady had read too much into solar's posts
Stutters did not think that shady was right. Stuters didnt think that solar's post was intended as a soft accusaton of stutter's post

Archrun avoided making any reads at all, he was the only lurker to do this and therefore he was my most suspected lurker.


Ok, now I know your motivation for Archrun and reading the post by mkfuba07 I don't think you're as scummy anymore. There went my entire thought process of this day, yippie.

The more I think of it the more I find that either Shady or Thrawn is scum. But since my basis of suspicion against Thrawn is basically gone I really can't vote for him. I think this post + Show Spoiler +
On August 17 2012 03:30 mkfuba07 wrote:
Trying to get into school is running me ragged, so this will be my only post for the moment. If anyone has specific questions they'd like me to answer, let me know so I can get to those as soon as possible (preferably before the lynch).

Since Thrawn seems to be quite the target, I'm going to post my thoughts on him:

1) The SK posts seemed a bit suspicious, but when I read them I got a rather null read. I was obsing a game recently (my apologies for not knowing the exact game name) where it seemed like the entire first 24 hours was spent discussing what a theoretical Tracker should do if he even existed in the game. Asking a question of the more experienced players regarding SKs, and giving his own point of view, doesn't send off any major alarms in my head. He dropped the issue immediately after people said that they basically agreed with him, and he hasn't personally brought them up ever since.

2) Regarding his actions in the Solar issue, I tended to agree with him along the way.
Show nested quote +
I'm not sure I'm getting why you think this is scummy, could you explain? His posts since that point are what caused me to be suspicious of him, but I never quite understood the reasoning behind your initial interrogation.
This quote appears to summarize his thought process quite nicely, and since it was exactly the same as my thoughts I actually got a slight townie read after it. He was suspicious at the right times, and when something didn't make sense he questioned the reasoning of whoever raised that point.

3)
Show nested quote +
At this point I think YH's alliance hinges on whether or not you believe his story about suspecting solar and gk of being masons. At one point in the game I was willing to indulge the thought that YH and solar were masons based off a weak read I was making, (the extra information YH was hinting at) so it is easy for me to believe that YH did the same. YH, for now I believe your story and do not think either you or solar are scum.
This quote makes me lean townie as well. Though I have stated that I didn't agree with the original argument behind YH's reads on solar/GK, Thrawn again comes to the same conclusion as me: that the entire case comes down to that single "Sigh..." comment. Though I was (and still am) suspicious of YH after that case, Thrawn's disagreement over this doesn't reveal alignment to me. The way he's thinking things through is very similar to how I did during my only previous vanilla townie game.

4) The whole Z-Boson/Ochrow situation also has me leaning town. During that entire situation, Thrawn makes efforts to alleviate the confusion that's been caused by Z-Boson's misread, when he could have just sat back and let the misunderstanding grow out of control (especially seeing how readily people in this game have been jumping on single posts to make full cases). With this, I have a firm townie read on Thrawn.

5) I don't see any real evidence of Thrawn and Ochrow coordinating their posts. The entire thing feels contrived to me. This makes me feel that this bandwagon that's started on Thrawn is at least partially supported by scums. This, in turn, gives me an even stronger townie read on Thrawn.

6) His subsequent suspicion of Shady is completely valid in my eyes. If Thrawn is town, then as he's pointed out, the only information he can be 100% sure of is his own alignment. Since he knows he's town, he has a right to be suspicious of someone so zealously pursuing lynching him. His vote isn't instantly OMGUS just because Shady voted for him before. Thrawn has actual reasons for being suspicious, and Shady hasn't, even in my eyes, done a good job of addressing them. Thrawn has been tunneled pretty hard for one of the first cases to have any significant reasoning behind it (the one against Archrun), and I find that incredibly suspicious. While most other players are making cases based on such huge stretches that I find it hard to believe they came to the conclusions they did, Thrawn is being hit hard for providing a case that was based entirely within the context of the thread itself.

In short, I truly think that a lynch on Thrawn would be a mislynch. I have some reads on other people that I will try to get up as soon as possible, but I have to leave to take care of school issues right now, and don't want to post half-assed theories without being able to clarify them right away. I will say that I am likely to support a relative lurker lynch, especially given that most of the discussion has been about a player who I've made it clear I have pretty strong town reads on.
coupled with Thrawn's reason to accuse Arch is enough for me too consider Shady as scum.

##Vote: Shady Sands

I have to go for the next couple of hours so I won't be here for the conclusion of the day, see ya later.


First he says how he has changed his read on me, and no longer thinks I am as scummy as he thought. Then he presents the idea that "either Shady or Thrawn is scum." He decides to vote for shady, because "Thrawn's reason to accuse Arch is enough for me too consider Shady as scum." I don't think that's a good reason for him to consider shady scum. My being town is not something town players would know, and that was the basis for why I voted on Shady. (in retrospect that was very poor play by me) Jhuyt says that because he believes my reason for accusing Archrun was good so that makes Shady scum, in other words he is saying "I am accepting thrawn's defense of himself therefore shady is scum." I don't think that is a conclusion a town player would or should make. I think a lot of other town players reached that conclusion as well, but after him making the "either thrawn scum of shady scum" suggestion it looks VERY scummy.


Yep, it looks like your explanation of archrun was the only reason why I chose to vote for Shady, but you fail to notice that I thought his behaviour was a way for the mafia to play from what I've seen

On August 15 2012 20:18 Jhuyt wrote:
Hmm, you're right, I should try to be more helpful.

On Solar: This is just how he is in general from what I've seen on TL, so I don't have anything there.

On Shady: Shady tries to control the game, which is an act that I don't often see in normal townies, I've most often encountered it when a scum tries to make everybody think he's the sheriff. It is, however, a game of high risk and relies heavily on the actual sheriff being useless. He might be the sheriff as well, and this is why I think the first day is kinda silly, I don't know what to think solely based on his posts, they seem consistent.

I still think that YourHarry is something scummy simply because his posting behavior is strange, on everybody else, I need more evidence before making up my mind.


My case on you were mostly based on the fact that I just couldn't see why you wanted to lynch Arch. When I realised why you did it, I suddenly had two hot candidates, that being you and Shady, and one less hot, being YH. I believed your defense was strong enough for you to go to the second place on my list, and therefore I voted for Shady.

As for the apology, I recognized it as a mistake and apologized for it, even if I didn't explicitly say it was a mistake.

If you are to believe Juhyt here, it actually was Thrawn's views on Archrun he found scummy. Ironically, he just forgets about my case on Thrawn which he had earlier thought was good. This is an obvious scumslip by someone who can’t keep his story straight. A town would never just forget the reasons for voting someone like this. Combined with his semi-lurking, he is my favorite lynch candidate right now. If I survive the night expect him to pretty much instavote him when the day starts. This is a clear scum. There’s no need to hold off the vote on him. If you need something further to make you feel good about voting him, consider Thrawn, who now is 100% town, thought this guy was suspicious enough to vote for.

[b]Golbat:
Honestly, his hardcore lurking for the last 48 hours is a very strong scumtell. Outside of getting hit from a train, there’s no reason that he couldn’t have posted at least a one-liner saying why he’s busy. He really has no excuses at this point. But the benefit of waiting until next vote cycle is we can confirm if he was hit by a train. If he was he’ll be modkilled. Otherwise, he’s scum. He’s been tunneling Thrawn most the game, and hasn’t really discussed much of any kind of read on anyone else. On top of that, add that he clearly doesn’t care about scumhunting in this game. He admits in his own post to not really paying any attention in the first 24 hours of the game, and has mistaken names in at least one post.
Also consider my suspicions a bit of a “meta-read.” While not by any means 100% reliable, Golbat as town showed a zeal for prodding other people in his only other game as town. He did get day one lynched, and I would expect more conservative play from a town Golbat. However, this just is too conservative for a “scared town.” If you are to look at his play, it better fits a first-time scum scared to say too much as he’s afraid of getting caught. Darthpunk, if you live through the night, please share your read here. You’ve seen his play before, and I’d expect you’d see where I’m coming from here…

The Third Scum:
I leave finding the third scum up to you. My strongest third scum read right now is still Ochrow/Obvious. I know some of you disagree, but I’ve already spelled out clearly my reasons why. I leave it to you to pressure him when the time comes. As for other candidates: this late in the game it’s going to be just as important for us to establish amongst ourselves who are town and trustworthy as it is to establish who is scum. I wouldn’t recommend just calling out who is town, as if you’re wrong you’re going to give the last scum a hiding place to hold out until winning the game. Just keep pressuring and trust your reads, and I feel you have a chance to find the third one. Where I’d suggest starting your search: Obvious (Obviously), and YourHarry. I leave the rest to you.

Endgame Strategy:
Okay, so here’s the situation. To get the majority we have to establish a town leader whose candidate we will get our votes behind. There’s no other way to guarantee the 4/5 town votes needed to lynch a scum at this point. Call it sheeping and hate it all you want, but we have to do this. It doesn’t by any means mean you should give up on scumhunting. Still make your cases and share your reads as normal. But come the second 24 hours of the day we all need to consolidate our votes behind said leader.

With my flip, I am 100% confirmed town, so listen up. I have played with DarthPunk before, and I’ve seen his scum play. He has been 10 times more proactive than he was in that game about sharing scum reads and I am convinced he is legitimately searching for scum this time around. Add to that that he’s come independently to similar reads as myself, and I feel he is my strongest town read right now. So all of you get behind him as your leader and consolidate your vote under him. There is a small (note: slim) chance that he’s scum, but you’re going to have to live with that. To have a chance of winning town needs to consolidate its vote and this is the best way to do this. Come the next night, I leave it to Darthpunk to leave his successor in a will similar to this one should he also get NK’ed.
So to sum it up, my recommendations:

-Lynch Jhuyt day 3
-Hope Golbat gets modkilled. If he doesn’t vote Golbat day 4
-Day 5 pressure and vote your best scum read. If it’s still MYLO, no lynch to reach LYLO so you have one less lynch candidate to worry about and can increase your odds of getting the right guy.
And last turn of the game, I’d recommend everyone leaves a last minute will. What you leave in it is up to you. I think maybe everyone even role-claiming might be a good idea as there’d be nothing to lose at that point and it would be extra information to get a read from.

Five minutes to post this now… Forgive the formatting .
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 20 2012 23:59 GMT
#737
Forgive the formatting if there's anything unclear I'll explain if I survive the night.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 21 2012 00:16 GMT
#742
Okay then. We need to be active today, and I'm wasting no time in getting started:


@Golbat:

You have a lot of explaining to do for your lurking, so please start there. Also, if you would kindly explain this quote:


On August 18 2012 15:59 Golbat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2012 15:50 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 18 2012 15:32 Golbat wrote:
On August 18 2012 15:19 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 18 2012 15:10 Golbat wrote:
On August 18 2012 12:55 goodkarma wrote:
@YourHarry:

Any suggestions as to who this someone else is that we should lynch?


My first thoughts are either Orchrow or you.


You seem to be very interested in keeping thrawn alive as long as possible... I suggest you start making some meaningful suggestions as to who you feel looks scummier. And it would also be helpful if you commented on people's most recent cases against thrawn, Orchrow, and yourself instead of continuing to strive to keep Thrawn alive.


There are situations here where the vigi still shouldn't claim. Like what if there is an sk, but the vigi hasn't used his shot yet? A vigi counter claim here would be terrible, as he could wind up rb'ed by scum and NK'ed before he can do anything.

And if we wait, who's to say town doesn't get a successful medic save or rb? Or that scum or the sk (if he exists) doesn't just sit back and do nothing for one night? There's a few different ways that there could be an sk but fewer than two night kills.

Waiting achieves nothing. My read, and the read of several of us here, is that thrawn is scum. It's time for him to go. Read through the case points against him, and show us why you feel he might be town. It's more productive than your WIFOM defense of thrawn you're presenting now.


I am in agreement that we should just lynch thrawn here. We seem to have caught a scum or even two, I think if thrawn flips scum then YH is almost certainly scum.


You are lurking pretty hard buddy. I would also like to ask Ochrow, solarsail Z-Boson and Stutters to increase their contributions.


I agree i'm lurking, but I feel that I have at least contributed well for my sparse filter. I made my case on thrawn, and cast my vote. When I see something worth discussing I mention it. I may not be living in the thread as hard as you, harry or thrawn, but at least I've contributed. What do you suggest I do to be less "lurky"? Make a shit case on someone in a misguided attempt to look active? Last game it got me lynched and cost town a vigi shot.

I'll go over the thread again and see if anything catches my eye, but I don't really see a case I can make that hasn't already been made ATM. At the very least i'll prod some people in my next couple posts.


Why so defensive? I understand that you got lynched for being over eager in XXII but your posting is markedly different than what I experienced there (although you were only alive for 24 hours so not much of a meta to read ) my post was not a personal attack but rather a call to all lurkers to contribute something.


Apologies. I didn't mean to come off as defensive, just that I'm not intentionally lurking, just not posting uselessly. in my last game I died before I could make a big contribution, and I just want to help catch a scum before I die this game. Now is the time to step it up I guess.


I've already explained what I felt was scummy about this, but in case you need a reminder:

You seem more interested in staying alive right now than in actually scumhunting. "Not posting uselessly" is not an excuse for not posting at all. Even one one-line post explaining your absence would have been useful at this point, and you wouldn't even contribute that.

You argue to not be lurking intentionally, but I would argue that yes, lurking for 48 hours is rather intentional. There's no way that you haven't thought up anything worthwhile in that time unless if between then and now you have forgotten altogether about this thread. And why would you do that if you want to "make a big contribution" that leads to the lynch of a scum?

One more question: Why did you tunnel Thrawn so hard?


##Vote: Golbat
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 21 2012 00:53 GMT
#745
@SolarSail:

If you feel Obvious is the better lynch choice, lay clearly out why you feel that is so all of us can see it. As I mentioned in my post, we have some time to all make our cases and viewpoints known in the first 24 hours. The proposed "sheeping" part of things is for the sake of vote consolidation at the end of the vote cycle (the second 24 hours).
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 21 2012 03:40 GMT
#754
@YourHarry:

Can you explain to me exactly why Jyuht's death makes Golbat look any better? I don't follow that at all... You do realize that scum had zero time to react to my post before day post, right?

And then I see a bunch of association based WIFOM case points made that, quite honestly, we don't need right now. Let's stick to case points based on scum-reads please. We don't need another Thrawn-like mislynch this turn.

And regarding a "no-lynch:" this is a terrible idea. We have three scum to catch. I can't imagine that one less town is really going to raise our odds all that much. Further, if we mislynch and get a lucky save tonight (assuming there's a medic) we can still turn it around. We won't even have that if we wait...

@Obvious:

I haven't forgotten about you. If you want to establish yourself as town, you're going to have to work hard at presenting solid cases and providing a pro-town atmosphere. Your night post was a good start. However, if we mislynch this is (most likely) the end of the game. I need to hear more from you.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 21 2012 03:42 GMT
#755
Just to be clear:

The first 24 hours of today we should be discussing scum reads. I expect EVERYONE to share their reads.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 21 2012 04:40 GMT
#757
@YourHarry:

Yet again, this is WIFOM. Seriously, cut it out.

What you posted had nothing to do with Golbat or Jhyut directly. If you want to post about Golbat or Jhyut, then post about something they actually said or did... I have absolutely no idea why you felt your latest post was worth mentioning.

And yet again, where are these ideas coming from? Role claiming is a terrible idea. If you need to ask why, you badly need some coaching -_-.

Instead of contributing anything of value, you add more WIFOM soft defense of Golbat, and introduce policy ideas to attempt to draw out people's roles... So I'd like to ask you: if you were me, how do you think you look right now?

##FoS: YourHarry
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 21 2012 07:40 GMT
#765
@YourHarry:

If masons were to claim, you're right. They would be two people that scum wouldn't hit. But if there's even one blue still, how exactly do you think that changes the odds of scum hitting a blue?

I find everything about your obsession with pushing a role-claim to be scum-motivated. How, exactly do you expect it will be helpful when all the scum are obviously going to lie about their roles? It just gives scum more information to use in their night kills.
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 21 2012 07:45 GMT
#766
There's one very curious thing that hasn't been discussed in any detail: scum's choice of night kills. They definitely have avoided hitting the most pro-town people. What could possibly motivate that? The only explanation I have is they fear we have a medic-type role.

And lo and behold, YourHarry is spending more time lobbying for role-claims right now than he is for scum reads...

Case on YourHarry incoming soon.
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