PTP3 - Pikachu's Revenge

On August 20 2012 06:11 strongandbig wrote:


I put flavor in my pm! ppl who didn't are probably lame.

On August 20 2012 12:49 Drazerk wrote:


We're not lynching anyone for meta reasons

On August 20 2012 13:01 Drazerk wrote:


I hate the word meta and everything assosiated with it you don't really have a real case on him and I am challenging you to present one based on what has already been posted not what he may do because he is grush

He's probably going to be replaced / killed anyhow so there isn't a point discussing him until we know whats happening

On August 21 2012 07:17 Mementoss wrote:


Wat. Where? I haven't seen anything that could be classified as "actual discussion" of scum candidates.

Also scum claim is almost as thrown around of a term as meta. Both useless

On August 21 2012 09:43 HiroPro wrote:






imallinson is scum. He brings up the point that people aren't thinking "outside the box" when it comes to roles and spends most of his time discussing other things related to roles. However, later he says that day 1 role talk isn't helpful in finding scum.

His biggest thing about the grush lynch isn't whether or not grush is scum, but what kind of information can be gotten from the lynch.

Additionally, look at how apologetic and unsure his posting is. He's practically scared of saying anything.

##Vote imallinson

On August 22 2012 02:13 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
If no one claims that shot within the next 5 minutes, I'm going to treat it as a scum shot, and Meowth becomes an instant lynch/shot.

On August 22 2012 10:57 grush57 wrote:


YOU DONT ANSWER FOR VE ACTIONS, VE DOES.

On August 22 2012 11:08 grush57 wrote:


K insult instead of answering :D

On August 23 2012 01:33 Mattchew wrote:
i still think dirk is scum yes.

Also, i was enhancing my read of VE, which I find/found to be important in this game

also, you are town, good job

On August 23 2012 02:38 Mattchew wrote:

also, you act like things can't change my reads.


Does anyone else think this post is hella scummy, and a cop out for not scum hunting?

On August 21 2012 08:44 Mattchew wrote:
Bugs and VE seem to either be lacking time (no read) or care (scum)

Still ok with lynching Draz

On August 21 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote:

cause you haven't sunk your teeth into a real candidate with reason yet, you haven't picked a fight, you also havent explained why you havent done the previously mentioned things. you usually do atleast 1 of these things as town

On August 21 2012 09:11 Mattchew wrote:
Kita




Come on man

On August 22 2012 00:34 Mattchew wrote:
VE what do you think of bugs and allinson

On August 22 2012 01:13 Mattchew wrote:
##vote dirkzor

I like this wagon

On August 22 2012 12:26 Mattchew wrote:

i agree

On August 23 2012 01:09 Mattchew wrote:

try and get me lynched.

SnB what do you think of me?

On August 23 2012 01:33 Mattchew wrote:
i still think dirk is scum yes.

Also, i was enhancing my read of VE, which I find/found to be important in this game

also, you are town, good job

On August 23 2012 02:38 Mattchew wrote:

also, you act like things can't change my reads.


Does anyone else think this post is hella scummy, and a cop out for not scum hunting?

On August 23 2012 03:06 Toadesstern wrote:

Could be something like AC.

Remember that game had Batman, Catwoman the Joker and whoever was the 4th guy.
Batman had to kill the Joker, Catwoman had to kill the other guy, maybe there's 3rd parties who have to kill certain pokemon rather than having the usual wincons.
Maybe we've got something like we had in holyroman with Igrok. He was 3rd party and had to kill everyone who had additional voting-power.

Anyone claiming anything without a second of a thought should be considered mafia and so should people asking for claims right now.
We don't know what's out there unnless of course you have more insight on that matter Jinglehell?

On August 23 2012 05:43 Toadesstern wrote:

the fact that he's not even willing to use his ability because he's to scared.
If you have a read on someone you're not scared because you think you're right in the first place. If it wouldn't be that way you wouldn't consider it a read, therefore you're not scared unless you have a reason to be scared.
You could be scared like crazy in a Lylo situation for example, or you could be scared that people will want to lynch you after killing a townie but that's only possible with confirmation bias because as mentioned if you truely consider someone to be mafia you think he's mafia. If you're mafia yourself you know the guy in question is town and therefore you're obviously scared.

I have never heard of a vig, a DT a medic or something else say he's too scared to use his ability unless it's a one-time ability but in that scenario it's not being scared but taking chances because you want to get the best possible result out of your one shot.

He's overly defensive, he's trying to get me mad for the purpose of getting me mad and nothing else and he just acknowledged that he's scared like shit even though he keeps on telling everyone I'm his #1 read and I'm like 100% certain mafia.
If that's really the case why is he scared? He's making up bullshit and from time to time his honest opinions are shining through because he knows he's going to be wrong on me. That's why he's scared.

On August 23 2012 10:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm currently looking into both and haven't decided who I'd kill between the two of them. The comment was more about my feelings toward the Mattchew wagon that's brewin than about my read on Dirk tbh.

On August 23 2012 22:53 Dirkzor wrote:


Great case that looks almost exactly like the one I made before you. =/ You start you case with "Since someone recently accused me of not scumhunting (because I asked them why they were doing something that's generally at best null, if not anti-town, no less) I decided to filter dive a bit." and the continue to repeat what I already wrote earlier. That in it self is weird, but the fact that you make a case because "someone accused you" is a scum way of thinking. Why not make a case to maybe... you know... catch scum?

Talking about Mattchew:

On August 22 2012 16:50 Dirkzor wrote:
@BC. I understand that you think I am scum but i think you should take a step back and try to find another to focus on for a while. If you are town that is... if you are scum you are on the right track.
+ Show Spoiler +
Your whole argument with my own vote is void. Or course I'm going to increase my own chance of survival by voting the "other guy". And yes my vote mattered. With 6v10 it only neede 2-3 people to vote change for me to be dead. Of course I'm around towards deadline when I'm in focus.. Had the discussion been heavier I had most likely not went to bed even though I need the sleep. But the discussion WAS dead so i went to bed.

I've looked through filters and it feels like many people aren't really doing anything really. The worst however is Mattchew:

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He starts out by poking VE lightly. Not really committing to anything pulling back a bit when VE started posting more. The last quote he calls VE's post substantial when i really wasn't. The zephirdd case is, but the post quoted isn't but mattchew finds it as an excuse to pull back.
He have a few filler posts that does absolutely nothing: 1 and 2.
But the scum alert only goes of with these 2 posts:

He puts his vote on me with no explanation or prior mention of me. Before this only Draz and VE have been mentioned as potential scum. Seems like he just figured VE wasn't scum anyway and then voted me. Shows he doesn't care one bit who actually died.

Again he just follows and sheep VE without any reason what so ever. Again its seems like he just want someone dead without really thinking further then if the person is his red team mate.

And thats basicly all he have done this entire game.

On August 24 2012 00:55 heist wrote:
If this was a Mafia shot:

1. It kills BC who wants to lynch Wiggles or dirk.

2. What else does it do? makes the lynch on Mattchew stronger. If Mattchew was mafia, they wouldn't feel threatened with BC voting someone other than Mattchew. Leads me to believe Mattchew is town IF THIS WAS A SCUM VIG.

On August 24 2012 09:49 Drazerk wrote:
I still think scum would of shot VE for flip insurance but so far his play is coming of as town to me

I dislike Wiggles because of the timing on the shooting and the majority of his play only happening when he was under scrutiny.

Mattchew is giving me bad vibes but the bandwagon is ALSO giving me bad vibes so I'm not sure what to do about that but given the choice of Mattcher / Dirk ill probably vote mattchew

I want to see more of the following - Jinglehell, Heist and Misder or for someone to shoot all three

I also want Kurumi to tell us what he knows about Zel because something is clearly up with that.

On August 24 2012 10:33 Zephirdd wrote:


Now we got a magnemite and pikachu claim? Jingle, explain it. Can you divert thunder attacks to other players or something like that?

On August 24 2012 23:32 Mattchew wrote:
So you all believe that I have a scum team that didn't tell me I have a full kp instead of a .5 and that if I had known I had a full kp I would still post in the thread that I shot a target I didnt end up actually shooting and one that didn't die and that I hit them .5 kp. All this would be a huge risk for what? What does me flipping scum make wiggles ?

Are you all this bad at deductive reasoning?

On August 25 2012 00:06 Zephirdd wrote:


Because I want to make a difference this time >_>
Because I can picture it: 'OMG ZEPH U SAID MATCH WZ SCUM Y U NO VOTE HIM'

aaaand time to work

On August 25 2012 01:52 Hopeless1der wrote:
Or I'm actively trying to prevent a mislynch? I don't like killing townies.

On August 25 2012 02:03 Hopeless1der wrote:
So...it was fair to accuse wiggles of being scum for NOT trying to stop either wagon Day 1. I'm accused of being scum because I think we're lynching the wrong guy?

On August 21 2012 06:48 Hopeless1der wrote:


Everyone is blue. Except for those who are red....or black I suppose. He didn't mean VT's, he meant scum.

As for killing grush for being grush, he breadcrumbed his being town, but has also not been batshit crazy. He's also temp banned. Leave him be for now imo, at least until we know the answer to:

Will grush be permitted to not be modkilled until his tempban is removed?

On August 20 2012 12:44 JingleHell wrote:
Whee, this is seeming insane. On the plus side, Grush has the best icon I've ever seen him with now. And if he avoids a modkill, we should lynch him. Because let's face it. He's been active and not sounded like he was washing down speed with gasoline, which doesn't fit his town meta at all.

On August 22 2012 03:14 Misder wrote:
On VE:
+ Show Spoiler + and + Show Spoiler +
There’s a disconnect here. VE’s initial defense against Dirkzor’s vote is basically, there’s no possible way I’m getting lynched, but couple posts later of back and forth with Dirkzor, he claims he should give up. It seems like because he couldn’t get Dirkzor off his back, he goes for the rage tactic. I also

However, this is the only thing that really bothers me from VE. The reasons why people are voting VE are pretty sketch. Pushing for a policy lynch against someone who cannot defend himself is anti-town, but the way that VE is convinced that it is a good move convinces me that he’s not scum. And + Show Spoiler + – why would VE, as scum, want to call into attention that it’s a plan that no one would like?

Also, at least he’s being more useful (zeph case, activity) than some other people.

I’m not convinced that VE is scum. I find this a bit more interesting (not really on VE):
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JingleHell also wanted to lynch grush. However, he never actually voted for him and once VE got all this flak about policy lynching, he doesn’t back VE up nor say anything about it ever again. He then switches votes on imallinson. I don’t like this at all. FOS: JingleHell

On imallinson:
I do agree with the original case that imallinson’s first couple posts are meh at best + Show Spoiler [WBG’s case] +. However, couple posts after this case convinces me that he just had a rough start. He attacks strongandbig, one of the few people I would see scum actually attacking as he could have easily hopped on a wagon or picked someone that hasn’t posted so far. However, he chooses someone that no one has attacked yet. Even though he even admits his case is weak, the fact that he even tried is enough.

+ Show Spoiler +
And this post I like as well.

Defending VE I also see as a towntell cause even though he’s being attacked, he’s aware of what’s happening around him and reacting.

On Dirkzor:
I find that he’s very defensive when attacked by both BC and VE + Show Spoiler +. I find his vote on VE + Show Spoiler + as an OMGUS vote. Even though he did express suspicion on VE before, he only put his vote on VE after he realized VE was going after him too. I believe that the only reason why he went for VE over BC is that VE was an easier target to attack, seeing how Wiggles and strongandbig both voted for VE couple posts before.

Even though it could have been an honest mistake that Dirkzor really did read the wrong guy, that doesn’t make him town. I would say that he just hastily put that up just to gain some towncred by using meta, which half the time doesn’t even work anyways (which I’m sure he realizes if he actually was town/putting a real case on allinson).

I would rather see Dirkzor get lynched over allinson. ##Vote: Dirkzor

On the rest:
Or we can just get rid of Drazerk. He’s literally just spamming. Either he’s a crazy town trying to draw reactions or he’s scum trying to cause chaos. I choose the latter.

The meowth day-vig hit is interesting cause it was on VE. Don’t think there’s much to say though, as it could have easily come from town as scum.

And I haven’t forgotten about the four people that entered breadcrumbing blue, though that will have to wait til next time. It’s most likely either Kenpachi or Mattchew though.

Kurumi, I don’t think you answered this yet:

On August 22 2012 11:48 grush57 wrote:
case on jingle btw:

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On August 25 2012 02:17 JingleHell wrote:
Oh, by the way, if I'm right about Misder's impeccable timing, there's a rather amazing correlation with Grush and Hopeless. Hopeless was hoping that Grush's temp wouldn't result in a modkill, Grush, when asked for his case against me, linked Misder's joke, and Misder's joke was based on me wanting to lynch Grush.

Bearing in mind, of course, that Grush has already acted about 1000% more productive than he ever does as town.

Cute little love triangle, yes? Especially now that they're posting in a way that looks like they're angling for town credit, if we assume Mattchew is bad town.

On August 25 2012 02:30 Hopeless1der wrote:
Thanks for the most convoluted connection theory based whack of retardation I've read in a while. I mean really, dafuq?

On August 25 2012 03:04 Mattchew wrote:

how about hopeless or dirk?

On August 25 2012 03:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
I'll post a last will before I die I guess. Fucking silly wagon. Absolutely retarded. There is no case on me. This is entirely based on the timing of my defense. How was there enough time to get ME lynched but not get people off of Mattchew?

On August 25 2012 04:26 heist wrote:
If you guys are contemplating switching off of Mattchew, why are you pursuing hopeless if his scum slip was defending Mattchew?

On August 25 2012 04:30 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

I didn't say it wasn't you, I said that at the time that Jingle claimed, there was no indication that it was you, and thus no pressure on him to claim. His claim didn't come out of pressure, it came out of wanting to clear up confusion, a town motivation.

Also, in a theoretical world where it wasn't you who killed toad, they probably wouldn't claim for the same wrong reasons 90% of people don't claim their vig shots.

On August 25 2012 04:41 Mementoss wrote:


Im between misder and hopeless at the moment, Im having a hard time believing they are both scum but they are trying their best to both look scummish.

On August 25 2012 04:43 Hopeless1der wrote:
No Kurumi I'm Scum, remember? Look at me look at me !!

On August 25 2012 04:49 Misder wrote:

No, I definitely agree that they both aren't scum. It kinda makes him look like a liar, but not really at all when you consider that this is PTP (the part where the KP ended up being 1.0 instead of 0.5 as Mattchew claimed doesn't have anything to do with JingleHell's claim). The reason why people were voting for him was because of his Day 1 posts, not because he claimed Pikachu. Claiming a vig role, if Mattchew did end up getting lynched and flip as a town Pikachu, then it would look even worse if there was a role cop or something that found out that he was able to confuse. I don't agree that if JingleHell is scum, Mattchew has to be scum. Am I the only one to think this?

On August 25 2012 04:54 Mementoss wrote:


Sorry what. If mattchew flipped, we would have his role PM. I wrote jinglehells role and can confirm he only has the one ability claimed.

On August 25 2012 05:20 Mementoss wrote:
I've decided to vote hopeless because the case around hopeless seems to be based on scum motivation and pushing scum adgenda, while the case I and others have put forth about misder seems to be about his lack of posting/ bad luck timing of post/ no opinion at all. I think more scum are caught when their motivations are found and more bad townies are found through nitpicking of posts.

On August 25 2012 05:25 Mementoss wrote:
Grush hasn't said anything about anything since BC died. Also, where is VE?

On August 25 2012 06:43 Mementoss wrote:


Care to expand on this?

On August 25 2012 06:48 grush57 wrote:


nvm I reread.
Prolly wiggles instead of you.

On August 25 2012 06:49 grush57 wrote:
Jingle, you don't answer to any of the cases against you, you keep bandwagoning on the townies!!!!!!!!!!!
You call me scum because I'm actually playing this time?!?!?!?1?!!??!?1?1?1!/1?1?1!?1?1
However when commenting on VE'

On August 25 2012 06:52 grush57 wrote:
darnit idk how I entered but
when commenting on VE's play you said he wanted to play differenty and give him the benefit brohan.
Which is me questioning VE being town right now.
But all the vets aren't trying, the one who did was BC and he died, and Wiggles is playing the EXACT same way he did as scum before. When I played with WBG before and he was town he was very active, and Kenpachi could be town or scum because he is Kenpachi.

On August 25 2012 06:52 grush57 wrote:


Why do you have to be so mean over a game? You obviously haven't looked at my scum play and only one game as me town...

On August 26 2012 22:58 Mementoss wrote:


I think because your power has the possibility of being so anti-town if used on the wrong people that you should be telling the thread who you targetted each night and the reasoning behind it, so we can maybe try to piece together some things from the night.

On August 28 2012 05:28 Mr. Wiggles wrote:

Who's trolling, me? I'm just trying to get people to build a better case against me than, "BC said he was scum, and he hasn't been around much, and meta-stuff".

If people don't want to make a better case, that's their own prerogative, either as scum or bad townies.

On August 28 2012 06:00 Kurumi wrote:
if ve is town I think I will harden t-t

On August 28 2012 06:01 Misder wrote:
I would prefer a BioSC shot. Also, why not just shoot Wiggles then?

On August 28 2012 06:39 Zephirdd wrote:


If you are the scum, don't this whole train of logic go downhill?

But hey, VE was killed. Dirkzor lives again. Oh well, nothing to do here I guess.

On August 29 2012 01:20 Dirkzor wrote:
Then that doesn't exlpain jack does it? Matt didn't target Kurumi and Jingle said (correct me if I'm wrong to lazy to look it up) that he did not use confusion on mattchew one of the nights...

Also my target was also screwed over without kurumi being in the mix...

On August 29 2012 01:26 Dirkzor wrote:
So your conclusion is that Mattchew is lying?

On August 29 2012 01:30 Drazerk wrote:
With the amount of people complaining about roles being fucked with I don't think Mattchew is lying about last night tbh

On August 29 2012 01:44 Dirkzor wrote:


I didn't. I asked if I had understood what you wrote correctly. Why are you trying to make it sound like I'm putting words in your mouth? (See what I did there?)

Anyway I believe Mattchew hit trying to kill wiggles and me as he said he was. Doesn't make him town though. Just makes him not a liar.

On August 29 2012 02:01 austinmcc wrote:
Was this a first generation rule? I rememeber a few evolutions were only possible after trades, but nothing about badges.

On August 29 2012 02:05 Drazerk wrote:


There is no other use for badges even in fifth gen other than story triggers

On August 29 2012 02:08 Dirkzor wrote:

Why are you being so defensive-aggresive about this? I just wanted to know if I understood your post correctly (that you thought Mattchew was lying). Then you go all apeshit on me.

On August 29 2012 02:23 Dirkzor wrote:
What the..

"...may have a liar" Yes that was what you wrote. But you either think he is lying or you don't. Or you explain why you don't know. Doing these half measured answer leaves questions open to interpretation. Interpretation that can be done differently by different people later on. So I asked for a clarification. There was no definitive in me asking you if you conclusion was that mattchew was lying. You could just answer: "No. I think its possible and we should keep that in mind, but I actually do think he was telling the truth." (and you did that with your first sentence) It was a question and thus not a interpretation of your thoughts...

On August 29 2012 03:09 Mementoss wrote:


OMGUS much?

Anyways I think you should discuss your hits because they have no negative affect on you. And at this point your power is too risky to use unless confirmed scum, I wouldn't be able to believe you if you said you didn't use it, thats why I would like it VT'd.

On August 29 2012 04:05 Mementoss wrote:
But I didn't call you scum

On August 29 2012 02:56 Mementoss wrote:


Also I would like to know exactly who Jinglehell used his ability on last night, telling isn't going to hurt any one. If we lose magnemite it's not a huge loss. Also, does it even make sense that a role that can take all of one persons actions and redirect them to a target at random is a town role?

On August 29 2012 03:09 Mementoss wrote:


OMGUS much?

Anyways I think you should discuss your hits because they have no negative affect on you. And at this point your power is too risky to use unless confirmed scum, I wouldn't be able to believe you if you said you didn't use it, thats why I would like it VT'd.

On August 29 2012 06:20 grush57 wrote:


OMG HE VOTED A SCUM, THEREFORE SCUM.
JINGLEHELL LOGIC YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

On August 30 2012 22:25 austinmcc wrote:
Jingle did not claim until after you've mentioned three times that he's claimed.

I did not receive such a message, but I wouldn't have due to mah pokemans.

I do not believe Drazerk has claimed, except that he claimed to use Sunny Day earlier.

On August 31 2012 01:41 austinmcc wrote:
Yes. However, I would like Wiggles to answer the questions from last night before I do so. Who was the third pokemon he checked, and on what nights did he receive his checks.

On August 31 2012 05:40 Drazerk wrote:
I was kinda hoping for a lot more discussion on people rather than roles but meh I'm probably the reason for that more than anything.

##Vote: Mr. Wiggles

The amount of information it confirms is pretty god like to be honest and its really the only wagon this cycle meaning at this point I may as well be voting myself for the good it will do T_T

On August 31 2012 05:54 Drazerk wrote:
As for information -

If he flips town we have confirm his checks
if he flips scum we have to assess his checks if he is actually a DT
if he flips scum but not a DT we still have to assess his checks but this time it doesn't matter too much since the two pokemon he used was already publicly announced so yeah...

On August 31 2012 07:43 Drazerk wrote:
Actually GF roles scrap that idea T_T

On August 31 2012 07:50 austinmcc wrote:
I think I'm going to trust his checks for now. Hmmmmm.

We've got that electrocuted death not connected to Matt's normal KP. Either an unclaimed pokemon, magnemite(i think had thunder/electric stuff?), or the seemingly very unlikely option that Matt is a GF pikachu with 2 different kill flavors (or maybe a pokemon kill and factional kill?)

We've got Dirk not dying N2. Would that be Kenpachi's doing? If not, we still don't know what's up there.

I'll try and swap back over to non-setup stuff, just kind of stuck trying to fill in the gaps.

On August 29 2012 02:56 Mementoss wrote:

Also I would like to know exactly who Jinglehell used his ability on last night, telling isn't going to hurt any one. If we lose magnemite it's not a huge loss. Also, does it even make sense that a role that can take all of one persons actions and redirect them to a target at random is a town role?

On September 01 2012 00:23 Kurumi wrote:

I AM GOING TO LOBOTOMIZE GRUSH FO SURE

On September 02 2012 09:26 Drazerk wrote:
Have you read the last few pages?

On September 02 2012 09:30 austinmcc wrote:
You realize pretty much the entirety of your wanting Grush dead was because of your Grush/Misder/Mementoss triad?

We've flipped the other two. One was town, one was scum. Since those flips, you just go "I still want to lynch Grush for all the reasons I said before." Those reasons included him being scum with scumbuddy mementoss.

I heard mementoss was town.

On September 02 2012 09:51 Drazerk wrote:
JH your day 1 reasons for wanting grush dead were bullshit and you know it

On September 04 2012 06:43 Mattchew wrote:
i shot kenpachi, and i think grush actually killed draz. so i think that jingle is last scum

also, i vote for 24 hour day

On September 04 2012 06:56 Zephirdd wrote:

Considering drazerk is scum, why would he shoot someone who claimed reflectability?

Pretty sure austin killed him(hint of that on his previous concerns regarding the KP he took). I protected mattchew trying to heal the confirmed townies, but I guess I lost the WIFOM battle.

now, we have kurumi and grush. I don't think its surprising when I say that grush is the guy that should die: he has an anti-town role, playing completely insane, and everything he has done the whole game was finger point as town players with the exception of obvlurker misder

Considering that kurumi has been making much more sense, it's needless to say that I think he is town. If he is scum, then well played.

And I agree with 24hr days.

##vote grush57(will bold on the voting thread)

On September 04 2012 06:58 Mattchew wrote:

why not jingle?

On September 05 2012 07:41 grush57 wrote:
HMM HMM THEN WHO IS SCUM?
NOT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JINGLE HELL GOGOGOGOOGOGOG

On September 06 2012 10:17 Zephirdd wrote:
Jingle, can you explain these posts?






What was scum "doing" this game? And why would you have to be some sort of crazy unaware godfather(or w/e) when you are a proven scum player?

On September 07 2012 01:30 Kurumi wrote:

You can't shoot for fuck's sake.
I devolved you.
Jingle, what was your motivation for using your power?

On September 07 2012 05:59 Kurumi wrote:

If it is a legit scum slip...
and someone dies...
there is no save...
Zephir is scum.

sorry guys for my dissapointing play, holidays and fighting with myself
you know

On September 07 2012 06:15 Kurumi wrote:

So you want to lynch me or Mattchew?

On September 07 2012 06:28 Kurumi wrote:

Or I lied about wanting Zephir dead.
He is bulletproof. So as long he is alive we should have a tie.
But I want nice things. Like Scum Magnemite down.
It's cool that you mention me for the first time ever in so important time.

On September 07 2012 06:29 Kurumi wrote:
Also if I were scum, I'd fucking devolve everyone and get rid of Zephir, move your head.

On September 07 2012 07:34 Mattchew wrote:
We should lynch zeph so I can shoot jingle

On September 10 2012 01:30 grush57 wrote:
Though Zeph supported JingleHell's blindness so gj zeph.

On August 25 2012 06:52 grush57 wrote:
darnit idk how I entered but
when commenting on VE's play you said he wanted to play differenty and give him the benefit brohan.
Which is me questioning VE being town right now.
But all the vets aren't trying, the one who did was BC and he died, and Wiggles is playing the EXACT same way he did as scum before. When I played with WBG before and he was town he was very active, and Kenpachi could be town or scum because he is Kenpachi.

On September 10 2012 03:28 grush57 wrote:
Let's talk about your ONLY read the whole game for 6 cycles, me?

On September 10 2012 07:08 austinmcc wrote:
Jingle, I think you've got the wrong end of this one.

Go read Grush's filter again. There's trolling in there. But there are a decent number of reads, reasons, some thoughts just dropped into the thread, that really feel towny and were helpful.

With you, it felt like the moment you got accused you just shut down. You'd either OMGUS or refuse to participate. All that electrocution stuff, where we had an electric flavor kill and you were one of two electric pokemon, so had to be a POSSIBILITY. But at the slightest hint that you might have done it, you shut done, left thread, and decided not to play. Doing that was more anti-town than anything Grush did this game, imo.

On September 10 2012 08:10 austinmcc wrote:
If you decide someone "making an effort" = scum for ANYONE, then you've just written that person off entirely. Either they do nothing (and are scummy for it most likely) or they're scum for helping. Actually holding that notion means than in the majority of games, when they're town, you're going to read them wrong. Plus, you come off like a giant asshole in posting about reading someone because of that.

You carried that idea the ENTIRE game, even after he flipped, saying he should have warned the thread he'd be playing "against meta." That's both ridiculous AND if you're so concerned about meta, then you know that the time he was scum he tried to play the same as he does when town.

And I'm not talking about Drazerk when I talk about you OMGUSing. Here's you on Mementoss


Here's you finding Dirk scummy after he gets into it with you:

You never decided to call me outright scum, but kept playing around with it. Heck, I don't see you OMGUS drazerk at any point.

On September 10 2012 08:40 marvellosity wrote:
Jingle, take it as a valid criticism of your play. You always go nuts when someone wafts suspicion in your direction, and it's almost never productive.

On September 10 2012 09:23 austinmcc wrote:
The doneness of the accusations doesn't matter at all. There are going to be half- and otherwise-baked accusations thrown around all game long. At everyone.

Like...I'm not even saying that you responded scummily. It's more that if your response is to OMGUS any accusation, then I'm going to discount your reads. If your response is to shut down and refuse to do anything but vote one guy because he's being productive, I'm going to discount your reads. It wouldn't even matter if you had nailed every scum in the game because they all happened to call you out, you had no thread presence, no pull, and I wasn't going to vote for your targets, and am guessing others wouldn't either.