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Because I have no life and I'm trying to rip myself away from Minecraft for larger periods. Xd Don Draper is still a pussy. | ||
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On July 22 2012 04:05 Lazermonkey wrote: /in First none noob game, please be gentle : ) I asked that in mine and they I received a Veteran Zombie role. I then proceeded to get lynched D1 and eat the brain of the host of this game.  | ||
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On July 22 2012 04:36 Erandorr wrote: Don't worry, BC is a very kind and understanding man, I am sure he would do nothing this harsh He made me a traitor in the next game of his I played XD | ||
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Harsh? Sure bro. | ||
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On July 25 2012 07:33 Blazinghand wrote: Unfortunately, I am /out have fun guys!  | ||
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Blazinghand Remove Sand from his vajayjay. <3 | ||
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On August 02 2012 00:27 GMarshal wrote: I have a setup for that. Sort of. Epic fantasy mafia. :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO + Show Spoiler + /in | ||
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Promise me Toad! SWEAR IT!! | ||
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On August 02 2012 05:29 hiro protagonist wrote: I'm here actual. been obs' games, but Ive been to busy this summer to join any games (nice play in bureaucracy btw)Ill play again in the fall when things are less crazy  /salute Until then sir. | ||
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On August 02 2012 06:10 Erandorr wrote: Yeah cause pregame spam is vital to establish yourself amirite Always works for me :D | ||
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I need a drink...I'll be in my office. | ||
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On August 03 2012 07:56 Hassybaby wrote: That's like saying not all Brits drink tea We do. We all do + Show Spoiler + It was a joke about the igloo actually... | ||
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On August 03 2012 10:34 Zephirdd wrote: HAHAHA I WIN for that ##vote prplhz I didn't realize we ventured off the beaten path into MafiaScum here...so we're just voting randomly now? Should I take this as your consent to lynch randomly today? For my part, I'm very much against random lynching in this game. We need to be lynching scum, and if Bureaucracy taught us anything, it's that D1 scum lynches are VERY VERY possible given proper scumhunting. Granted, it took scum and town BOTH looking, but I digress....I'm against RL this game. | ||
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On August 03 2012 10:43 prplhz wrote: Last time you did whatever you also had some alignment (presumably). Should we read anything into this? (The answer is: maybe, but probably not) This is my first normal size game in a while 'cause I have a hard time simply reading 300 pages, especially if it's all dumb spam. I don't want this to happen this game. I understand and tolerate that some players have a style that requires them to post more than others but please don't get into yelling contests 'cause we can all agree that those are bad for town. Really bad for town. Do I need to remind you of VisceraEyes vs marvellosity in Normal Mini Mafia II? You don't need to, but I see that didn't stop you. Yes, we can agree that needless spamming is bad for town. Care to talk about something important? For instance: Mason Claims Should masons claim this game? It worked very well in L, and it works in C9++ setups because of the known method of role generation...however in this game where the setup is completely unknown, is it going to benefit town in the long-run if mason claim fastly? Or should they do their thing, knowing that they could be talking to scum, and knowing that scum could be talking to us? Everyone's input on this matter is required. Failure to comment I will take as a scum-claim and I will treat it as such. | ||
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I have to say that I'm against masons claiming in this game because we don't know A) if we have any masons and B) if scum have any masons. I mean, I'm guessing we do since they're not standard "masons" (the Player A and Player B are confirmed to each other and are town) but they're the version that TL has adopted recently (the Player A gets to choose who to mason and no one is confirmed to anyone flavor) but obviously that's outguessing the mod and I don't even wanna go down that road. Suffice to say that I'm against it, for my part. | ||
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On August 03 2012 11:20 JingleHell wrote: Why even bring it up if you're against it? It seems like this version of a mason really gets exponentially stronger the longer they're active, so I'd probably be against it too. To get peoples' opinions on the matter. I know my opinion sir. :/ | ||
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On August 03 2012 11:32 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm town. for that matter I'm Roger fucking Sterling, so suck my dick. ME TOO WE CAN FIND SCUM TOGETHER!!! ^^ Roger is an asshole in the show and sounds like a scum name...that aside, I could do without the vulgarities. Mason Claim, Bugs. For or against and why. Go. | ||
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Yes, I am a mason, and no, I didn't give Bugs the okay to out me. Toad you're insane bro. If you'll read my post again, I was AGAINST masons claiming, prplhz asked me what the point of them claiming was and I explained it to him. I'm screaming at bugs in a PM, I'll be back in a bit. | ||
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On August 03 2012 12:41 Erandorr wrote: HI VE! Do you think that the trade of outing all scum masons would be worth giving scum information of all the town masons? Are you essentially saying you are against this because town may have masons and scum not, thus giving something away for free? Is that your entire reasoning? You go on speculating a whole lot of fluffy nothing then say that you actually don't want to go down that road, so why do you bring it up in the first place? I don't think it would be worth it, which i why I was against the claim. I brought it up because that's just my opinion and I wanted to hear everyone else' opinion...which you now know is because it's a topic that keenly interests me. I was against it because it's non-alignment indicative and will only serve to clutter up the thread unless we do something ridiculous like decide to lynch all mason claims. I mean, look at what Bugs outting you and I has done to the thread alone. Right now I'm against lynching Bugs. I don't know if he's town or scum yet, but I definitely don't want to lynch him yet. But keep calling me awful Bugs, that might change. | ||
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Also if he's scum, I wanted a private line with him in case he felt like telling me all about it in PMs. So far he hasn't. :/ Him instantly outting me wasn't something I'd considered. I figured he'd talk to me about it first. I have a long way to go in understanding Bugs' play. | ||
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On August 04 2012 01:45 Toadesstern wrote: come on, you know you ignore people unless they vote you :p I need to know what's going on in VE-land, in WBG-land, in Prplhz-land right now. I'm kind of okay with your answer, although I still consider you weird. But that's normal for you I guess. Next one: WBG, Prplhz explain the shit you're doing pretty please :3 I hardly believe that all 3 of you being mafia is an option so someone is doing bullshit on purpose ##Unvote I don't ignore people when I'm town. I only ignore people when I'm scum. Write that down. | ||
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On August 04 2012 01:53 Zephirdd wrote: biosc majugarzett countdropula hier xsebt zorkmid broodkingexe ghost_403 sl00sh These are names that strike me as to no contribution or whatsoever. So far all I got from the thread is town calling town scum because they think they are playing better than the other. Well, maybe there is scum involved in all of this, but I can't differentiate really. Can you guys ALL post please? :/ They're not waiting for your permission to post Zeph, was there ANY point in that list? | ||
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##Vote Zephirdd slOosh what do you think about prplhz? I thought he was a little tame for what I'm used to when I attacked him...but then again he's playing differently in general from what I'm used to judging from his last couple of games...I'm null leaning scum. What about you? | ||
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1) Who is scum? 2) Why do you think so? | ||
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##Unvote Zephirdd I'm rereading with a focus on players who barely have any content, and hopefully one of them jumps out at me...because at this point I'm on the verge of a Lurker Policy Lynch...and those of you who have played with me know it's serious if it's come to that. | ||
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This lynch on WBG is not happening. Having PMed with him, I'm NOT of the opinion that he's scum and I think we should focus on other, actually scummy candidates. You guys are WIFOMing this lynch to shit. I fully support a talis lynch upon rereading. He literally asked for a NAMECLAIM from everyone guys. LITERALLY. ##Vote: talismania I think Bugs is town. I don't want to lynch him. slOosh, you in particular I want to hear more reasoning from. Your only gripe with him seems to be his read on prplhz - so...because you disagree with his read he's scum? Really? I don't like a grush lynch today either - it feels like a copout. But I totally can see a town Bugs wanting to lynch grush today. Grush was a key factor in the scum victory in LVI, for the same shit he's exhibiting now. However, I agree that we should give our vigs a chance to take care of him. We should be aiming for people we specifically think are scum, and for me that's not wherebugsgo. | ||
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*grumblegrumble* I'm gonna look at the filters one last time before I decide. BRB | ||
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I'm totally good with a Talis lynch for thecrecord and Zeph too to a lesser degree...but prplhz should be todays lynch imo. | ||
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prplhz entered the game in what I perceived to be an extraordinarily scummy way. The first thing he did upon entering was complain about spam that had yet to even occur. I mean, there's fostering a pro-town environment and there's seeking out easy town-cred by saying something completely devoid of content, you know? Anyway, when I called him out on it his response was to diffuse the situation. I viewed this as overly diplomatic according to what I've observed as prplhz' playstyle. As a result, my scumread on prplhz was born. His only subsequent actions he made in the game were his case on Glasse and his vote on slOosh for inactivity. Those are the only things prplhz had done in the game. And looking at the timing of it all, it just looked extremely bad. But prplhz flipped town. So that leaves us with the question: Who, among us, is scum? Right now I'm looking into talismania, Errandor, Zephirdd and I'm filtering one JingleHell and I'm trying to figure out what to think about wherebugsgo. I'll post my findings in detail a little later...but those are my preliminary thoughts before reading/casemaking. Anyone saying I'm scum for "my attitude" needs to have their head checked. I've been trying to help. I apologize for my absence, I intend to do my part in finding and destroying our enemies. | ||
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2) You're also used to reading games of me getting lynched D1 and D2 for retarded claims and shitty play. I'm trying to tone it down. Evidence of this can be seen in Beururuauruuracracy Mafia, D1 of NMM, etc etc. I'm playing differently - restrained. I can assure you though, I'm reading and have thought. | ||
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But you know, that's just what I've heard. Through the grapevine. | ||
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On August 06 2012 03:09 talismania wrote: Ok thanks VE but can you expand on your thought process for picking bugs? Like you really wanted to make a friend to defend you so that you could focus on scumhunting? That was your motivation? No, my reasoning was to establish my innocence with Bugs FIRST, before anyone else. Not so he could defend me, but so he wouldn't suspect me. One of my strengths as a townie is my ability to establish my innocence...however I'm not a townie in this game, I'm a mason. And as a mason, by default my attention is going to be split between interacting with the thread and interacting with my PM box. Therefor, my activity in-thread is bound to suffer and the person I thought would be most likely to suspect me for that was Bugs. If Bugs doesn't suspect me, then he can focus on finding real scum - which as many of you know, if he's town, is going to be extraordinarily powerful. If he's scum then he's either going to ignore me or try and manipulate me...in which case, I get information regardless. And because I've played quite a few games with Bugs, I'm more confident in reading him than I am most...so there's that too. There were several factors in play talis. Mason is a strong role, but only if played properly.........and not outted rashly. -.- | ||
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Posts like this: On August 06 2012 04:40 talismania wrote: My questions are never designed to directly lead to scum. I will use the information they generate but it's not going to happen right away. Motives for my questions: 1) I notice something strange/scummy that I want to track down 2) I want people that I think might both be scum to talk about each other 3) I want inactive people to get more active 4) I want people to post more and more reads There's never a plan. It's just turn over as many rocks as possible and see what I find. lead me to believe that he's trying to justify his lack of having an opinion of....like anyone. He just goes after whomever is the flavor of the page asking inane questions and then does not give his opinion or any conclusions he's drawn. What I find to be the most suspicious however is his unrepentant attempt at rolefishing. Like...come on guy. COME ON!!! It doesn't get any more anti-town than trying to fish for information about everyone's roles. Yet talismania has repeatedly asked for nameclaims from the town, or asked if people are breadcrumbing X, or referring to people by their claimed character name. It's all BS and I want it out of my town. Errandor has been at the soul of this WBG thing from the very beginning, and at its core, I think he's the cause of the chaos surrounding it all. It can be summed up with one question which Errandor has failed to answer satisfactorily: Why would he mason Bugs after Bugs just outted me as a mason? It's as simple as that. The answer to that question is simple: because he had reacted in one way, wherebugsgo would certainly out Errandor as mason in the same manner he outted me. I believe he did it as a vehicle to discredit wherebugsgo when he outted him as mason by decrying his "antitown behavior". I feel the fact that he's trying to appeal to everyone's emotions is indicative of the strength of his argument against wherebugsgo...he wants town to sympathize with him rather than think about the situation logically. It's scummy deflection. Here is the PM string from me and Bugs. It's relatively short because he ragequit. + Show Spoiler + Well what makes him awful is that he calls me scum every game and never has a shred of valid reason for it. Then he goes and says "well I only call him scum when he is scum!" when I've never been town (until now) with him anyway. I got super pissed when I realized he wouldn't change his opinion, ever. So why mason me? Because he's bad (or scum, but he would've had to stop being lazy) Talis claimed vanilla with Trudy Campbell, right? Pete Campbell's wife; she's a really nice person in the show. She's a very loyal wife and stuff, not particularly likely to be scum unless BC randomized the roles. Like I'm vanilla and as Roger Sterling (son of founder and one of the four partners) so it's unlikely that roles are linked to importance. I agree though, some of his posts feel a tiny bit off. However I'm more sure on prplhz+grush+broodking. Prplhz is tone of post and just overall feel. Grush is meta. Broodking is meta difference from LVI (he's clearly actively lurking) SlOosh is town, Zephirdd...seems town. Although I could be wrong and he's mafia trying to make enough sense to live. Original Message From VisceraEyes: First of all, just because he's tunneling you doesn't make him god-awful. Now, what do you think about talismania? The nameclaim thing is big to me - I lied pregame when I said I don't watch the show, my wife makes me watch it. I can extrapolate powers from people given names with a fair amount of confidence, plus mine kinda makes sense, so talis asking for a nameclaim from everyone is extraordinarily suspicious to me. It feels like someone else's idea too - like he was INSTRUCTED to do that. I might be reading too much into it, but I don't like it and I'm pushing his lynch instead of yours. Rereading prplhz, nothing has assuaged my doubt. I still think he's scum, but I don't think he'll be lynched today. slOosh is almost certainly town imo...he's actively trying to figure stuff out and is probably the best medic target we have tonight. I WANT A VIG TO SHOOT THE FUCK OUT OF GRUSH. I'm on the fence about Zeph. I don't think he's a good lynch today because of his activity - he'll tell us whether he's scum or not soon enough. Hide nested quote - Original Message From wherebugsgo: anyway if you want to discuss reads I'm all for it. I've been raging at Erandorr all day cause he's god awful and won't stop tunneling me, but if I want to leave a lasting impact on the game it will have to be through leaving behind some decent reads. I'll probably die today at any rate. Original Message From VisceraEyes: But don't fucking worry - I won't bother you with my "awful play" anymore. Fucking asshat. Original Message From wherebugsgo: so you masoned me but you're not going to give me reads. the fuck? how else is someone supposed to establish themselves? Original Message From VisceraEyes: Oh Hai! You were right I'm a mason! So I'm still getting used to this "not confirmed with your buddy" thing - we can't really share reads can we? Not on like D1...I really intended to use this as a vessel of establishing my innocence with you, but in retrospect that's pretty much impossible without privately sharing reads with you. :/ Sooooo...any ideas? So yeah...kill talismania or Errandor tomorrow if I'm not around to make it happen. /salute | ||
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I don't know why we're assuming slOosh was double-stacked - while I don't think it's likely that grush was a priority scum target, the way he was playing and posting felt kinda blue to me, so I can imagine it would feel blue to scum too. Plus, considering Bugs is among the only voices who was speaking out in opposition of grush, it makes even less sense to assume that a vig killed grush (because Bugs was under such heavy suspicion himself.) Until we get a vig claim, I'm assuming that both scum shots have been accounted for here. Bugs, our masoning is over sir. If you want to discuss with me, do so in the thread guy. There's some interesting stuff going on - I'll comment after my reread. | ||
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Looking at talis' activity, I'm less inclined to vote him. I mean - I get the case on me and I can't refute it...it's based almost entirely around the quality of my case against him, which I'll admit is fairly bad. That being said, I've masoned talis and we'll see where my read on him goes from here. Errandor is looking like the best target today - we've now flipped a town mason, so theoretically speaking lynching into the masons is a good plan if we're subscribing to the idea that scum must have masons. That aside, I had a scum read leaving N1 and that hasn't changed. I feel like his defense against my points fails to address the main crux of my argument which is that rather than argue his points logically, he's more interested in turning town AGAINST you appealing to their emotions. It just sucks for him that most everyone KNOWS you're a bastard regardless of alignment. And in response to your first question...no guy. 5 out of what 20? players isn't enough. I'm thoroughly DISatisfied with town's activity right now. Hopefully I'll be able to add something more to the conversation soon. | ||
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You have failed to say why Bugs, your #1 scumread atm, is scummy in any kind of coherent way short of "He's a meaniehead!" You have failed to explain why you would, after knowing he outted me as mason, mason Bugs if your status as Mason is so damned precious. Let me ask YOU Erand: you think Bugs' move to "out the masons" was "anti-town" right? Then what was YOUR move to mason Bugs KNOWING he was going to out you to the thread? ITS THE EXACT SAME THING! Except when Bugs did it he did it with the intent of giving information to the thread. When you masoned Bugs, it was surreptitious...sneaky. Like look at the options: 1) Bugs outs you as mason. "SCUM!!! He shouldn't do that it's ANTITOWN!!" 2) Bugs does NOT out you as mason. "SCUMM!!!!! Why would he out VE and not me?!" There's literally no situation in which he could be town bro! You did that knowing what you were going to think of him! SO WHY DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE?!?!? ##Vote: Erandorr Smooches, bro. | ||
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I'm not cherrypicking what I want to answer, if I missed something feel free to bring it back up (as you've been doing) rather than underhandedly accuse me of shit. This is how people get fucking pissed off Erand. 1) His reads / willingness to discuss them with me 2) Why did this warrant a number? If you want to accuse me of shit then just fucking accuse me of shit. No I didn't miss it, I don't give a FUCK what your accusation against Bugs is about, my accusation against YOU DOES HAVE TO DO WITH THE MASON SHIT SO I DON'T FUCKING CARE WHAT IT'S ABOUT BETWEEN YOU AND BUGS 3) WIFOM. Easy enough to say this after the fact, but considering your reaction to him doing something predictable, I feel my prediction is more accurate than your explanation here. Thanks though, that was pseudo-informative. 4) WIFOM. I don't care what you think makes sense "if you're scum". However, the fact that you've put thought and effort into explaining that reads scummy regardless. So thanks I guess? 5) On August 05 2012 00:56 Erandorr wrote: Oh also I am not pissing at him in PMs. He is making it sound like that , isn't he? I was still trying to ask him questions after he called me worthless for the 30th time. On August 05 2012 06:18 Erandorr wrote: Could you guys also please look at the "fight" where i try really hard to actually do stuff and he insults me about 100 times. On August 05 2012 07:26 Erandorr wrote: Its a joke I make in quite a few games I play with WBG. Feel free to check, I won't do it for you. What I am posting below is the post I was referring to. Would you not agree that my outburst was warranted, considering this example? Is there any way you would call that post below anything else that "shit" or "terrible" ? Epic defense against Hier. Did you read Hiers case? Do you agree with the points he made? Because that one is so terrible I honestly didnt even think I would have to reply to that one. Which blithely ignores certain parts of the log, like I assume you have read the entire log. Did you notice that he insulted me about 100 times before that? And the one time I get so upset as to say what I do in the quote I INSTANTLY APOLOGIZE? I mean seriously, this shit here borders on malicious. Now would you mind telling us why you have not said a single word about the WBG case? What are your thoughts on him? It is a bit strange to not mention something that has been talked about for like 20 pages. Would you also mind telling us what you think about talismania? You already gave the 1 line that were your thoughts about prplhz, so I don't have to ask that as well! I have answered every point of your case against me, if there is something that you are still not convinced about , please let me know. Now how about you start talking about people who may actually get lynched today  On August 05 2012 09:49 Erandorr wrote: are you. fucking . serious. When someone else opens your pm conversation with "ur bad never play a game of mafia ever again " Then how exactly am I initiating a shitstorm. Since no one except Wbg or Prplhz will get lynched, I will keep my vote on bugs. Also make some effort reading that thing before posting something like that. I am completely fine discussing actual facts, but this feels like I am up against fox news or something. Fuck facts when you can make random statements look like the truth amirite? Broodking. Is that your best case? No this is not an OMGUS, you refute big cases on 2 players without even adressing the points of why people think they are scum. Then you call out me for that? "I look like I could be a scum mason manipulating bugs" and follow up with something that is completely wrong. I mean.. seriously? | ||
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I'm leaning town - just misguided, really really WRONG town. | ||
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*shrug* With no town leader I'll either be mislynched or we'll no-lynch at this point. I'm just waiting for the hammer to fall while I read filters. I suggest if you're going to lynch me you start talking about someone else because I'm going to flip town. I'll give you some leads to follow up on when I flip. | ||
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Vote for Errand Jingle, he's scum and I intend to prove it. | ||
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I intend to make a case on the guy, but your post reads like at least you don't need much convincing. | ||
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Thx. I'll try and change that with my case then. | ||
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Other than that, what would you have me say? It's lacking yet convincing in this inactive town. It's not a thing where I CAN'T refute it, it's a thing where I haven't bothered to refute it. | ||
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Bugs, you say a hallmark of Erandorr's scum play is his laziness. Can I ask what amount of energy it takes to bullshit with someone you were gonna bullshit with anyway playing DotA or something? + Show Spoiler + Also I miss you on LoL - I get sick of people raging when I feed. You just took it like a champ. | ||
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Like, you conveniently left that off your list of possibilities, which given the timing and complete 180 I'd say is THE MOST likely scenario. Why do you assume those three scum-motivated responses are the only three that are possible? | ||
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On August 08 2012 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Hassy and BKE have at least shown tertiary interest in the game talis. The other three have not. | ||
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Welp, since the reads of the dead go entirely ignored in this game, I'm done here. Good luck - the scum team is going to have you going round and round and round. I bet you a million dollars that once I flip town you guys will lynch Bugs - and I bet a further million that he'll flip town. Good luuuuuuck. *smooches* | ||
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BUT HEY, KEEP DOIN WHAT YOU'RE DOIN GUYS IT'S WORKING OUT! I PROMISE! | ||
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On August 08 2012 07:24 wherebugsgo wrote: even if you're scum, don't try reasoning with these guys. They can't understand the most basic of logic. It's fruitless. BUT THIS GAME ISN'T OVER BUGS WE CAN STILL WIN WE JUST GOTTA TAKE THE POWAH BACK!!! | ||
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On August 08 2012 08:51 s0Lstice wrote: VE, help me out a little here yea? I'd like to know what your scum read on Zeph is all about. I'm writing my final case on Erandorr and I'll answer you shortly. Give me just a sec. | ||
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Erandorr, Scum's Highly Volatile Mason Erandorr's entrance into the game has been gone over and over, but I want to stress this. There is no town-motivated reason for masoning Bugs after Bugs immediately outed me as mason if he felt that masons should not claim or be kept secret This is huge, and it's being overlooked by the vast majority of the players in this game. His primary contention with Bugs was the fact that he outted us as masons. This means that he felt that our roles were sacred - that the information we had (knowledge of our roles) was worth keeping a secret from scum. But instead of calling Bugs out on this behavior when it was exhibited (read: when he outed me as mason), he masoned Bugs instead. Why? To what end? He claims that his intention was "to see if he'd do it again". ….why? What's the point of that? He's done it once, isn't that enough? He claims that if he hadn't, then he would have simply asked why he did it. But…that doesn't make any sense either does it? Because if he was going to ask that when he outed ONLY me as mason, why would the same question not be valid after outing both of us as masons? And in what way does Bugs' move to out ONE of us as mason and not the other make ANY MORE SENSE than outing both of us as masons? It doesn't. It's all a bunch of bullshit. Next, go through and try and find some of Erand's reads. Go on, I can wait. ... ... ... That's right - he mentions NO ONE. NOT ONE SOUL other than WBG until his second to last post. Why? OH THAT'S BECAUSE I'VE NOW SHONE THE LIGHT ON HIM. He'll attest that he's had a spotlight on him all this time, but that's not TECHNICALLY true is it? The spotlight has been on wherebugsgo, NOT Erandorr. Know how I know? Because not one person has brought up the fact that Erandorr has done fuck-all but tunnel Bugs besides Bugs all fucking game. I can't spell it out ANY clearer for you guys. If you want to lynch me, that's fine. I'll take the loss. Because I FUCKING KNOW that when I flip town, you'll immediately about face and then vote for Bugs, NOT Erandorr. And town will lose. If you want to win however, then unvote me and vote for Erandorr. We remove a scum mason from the game, we don't lynch me ( ) and I get to lobby for Bugs' and my life for another day.A vote for Erandorr is a vote for Town Victory!! | ||
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On August 08 2012 09:22 s0Lstice wrote: as it stands right now, I think Eran is set to be lynched anyway. Plurality right? The problem I have with Erandorr stems from what bugs says about him. He calls him scum in all the games they are in together, regardless of evidence. It doesn't surprise me therefore that in this game, where he has a blue-ish role, that it was targeted at bugs. If he was a vig, he'd have shot him. If he was a DT, he would have checked him. If he was mason...etc etc. This would all be done regardless of information in the thread that ran counter to his read on bugs. Except the point is not that he targeted Bugs alone - it's that he targeted Bugs knowing he would out him as mason. He can say he didn't know Bugs would do that all he wants, but he claims the reason he did it was to see if he'd do it again, implying that he saw him do it once before. I can't imagine that he would think Bugs would out me as mason and not him - he had to know what Bugs was going to do. @Bugs If Erand flips town, I'll literally eat my hat. ( ) | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/yyQGql.jpg) | ||
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Scum - that was from before the game started. WUT | ||
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On August 09 2012 08:04 talismania wrote: yeah but you implied you were going to do something about it. "make up for my folly tonight" etc Yes.....and? | ||
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The night isn't over talis. What's your deal? You're still sore about the Zephirdd thing aren't you? I can assure you it will all be revealed in time, don't worry sir. | ||
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On August 09 2012 08:27 talismania wrote: I kinda think WBG is scum and he's been preparing his own demise for a long time now. D3 is a good bus timing. ![[image loading]](http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/images/smilies/biggums.png) | ||
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VisceraEyes Thoughts, And Lack Thereof I'm gonna open with the important stuff. talismania, Zephirdd, Toadesstern Yes, that's right - THREE names. Not Five. Why? Because in my opinion, the last 2 scums can be found in the pool of players who haven't been posting, like, at all. There have been too many town flips of active players for me to entertain the notion that ALL of the scum are playing visibly. Therefor, at least 40% of the scum team can, by my estimation, be found in that group. Now, my reads. talismania has been very confusing to me over the course of the game. After D1 I agreed with slOosh's points on talismania - lots of questions that seemed to go nowhere, very little what I would consider actual scum hunting. However, D2 talis turned on the town with a bright and shiny case on me. Generally speaking, I automatically think "SCUM!" in cases like that, as many of you are well aware - however this time it was different. This time, talismania had valid concerns about my activity and my case against him…and considering my main contention with him was about the whole questions that go nowhere thing, I decided to assent to masoning him. That's where things changed, for me. Over the course of those conversations, I was left with the feeling that he wasn't REALLY after information at all - that he was looking for something specific…something that I'd referenced earlier in the game. All Talismania was interested in during the WHOLE of our conversations was my read on Zephirdd. Why? What about Zephirdd was so important for me to comment on? What about my Zephirdd read intrigued him so? So I tried something out… I intentionally avoided talking about Zephirdd at all. :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Here is the result of this experiment. + Show Spoiler + On August 07 2012 12:06 talismania wrote: VE you out there? waiting for a pm reply. On August 08 2012 02:38 talismania wrote: The extent of my communication with VE. Yes I wanted to more or less interrogate him about every player in the game, I think he's scum. Never really got to though. If he's innocent he shouldn't have a problem with that and should also probably want to interrogate me about a lot of things. He never responded to my zephirdd question despite posting in the thread after I had sent it, so I asked him in the thread. + Show Spoiler + Removed per request of host - for full logs in text form see this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=57#1127 On August 08 2012 03:24 talismania wrote: How is this a town attitude, toad? He writes this, but do you see it in the logs? He asked me about erandorr, I responded. I asked him about zephirdd after he brought zephirdd's name up... and nothing. If he had asked what I thought about zeph I would have gladly answered. He only showed interest in picking my brain about erandorr. The "people" I asked about? I only asked about one, and he never answered. I asked a grand total of two questions of him in PMs as they "dragged on". On August 08 2012 06:28 talismania wrote: ah sorry. I would argue that they are all around the same level of interest to be honest. Whatever happened to your thoughts on xsebt and zephirdd? You said in PMs you were going to look into them yesterday. WHO CARES?! He's barely playing and is probably scum! But if he doesn't do scummy things then I can't lynch him! talismania, in an attempt to distract town, has focused on my read of Zephirdd for almost an entire cycle. If he thinks I'm scum and Zeph is town, what could he possibly want to know what I think of Zephirdd for? Here's my theory: that he and Zephirdd are scum TOGETHER. I think he was interested in getting my read on Zephirdd in the thread to either vilify me for thinking an "obvious townie" is scum, or to solidify sentiment that he's town when I died D2 and flipped town by me stating a town-read on him. My guess is that scum roleblocked someone they killed N1 and talis claimed it in an attempt to gain town-cred. Zephirdd has spent the whole of the second cycle being pressured by CD. The result of this pressure, I think, speaks for itself - but I'll speak for it for those of you who are wondering what I'm talking about. He reacted BADLY. REALLY badly. Like, as a townie, how would you react to someone continually calling you scum based on nothing and trolling you? If your answer is anything but "ignore it and hunt scum" then you're scum. I'm sorry, but that's my opinion. Zeph's answer would apparently be "FREAK THE FUCK OUT AND RAGE IN-THREAD AND OMGUSSSSSSSSS"…if he were town. However, I think he's scum that can't handle pressure. And golly gee, he didn't vote for me, talismania's "#1 scum read". Hmmmm, I wonder what's going on here. :/ Toadesstern is on this list because he's a mason, and because I'm town the pool of possible scum masons is shrinking. Ultimately he's null, but I'm thinking scum probably have a mason and I don't think it's JH - especially after reading his logs with talismania. It's possible there ARE no scum masons and BC threw in a ton of town masons to fuck with town - but I find it really unlikely, and if that's what's going on here then BC is truly a bastard. So my lynch-order preference would be: 1. talismania/Zephirdd (I'm equally sure on both and would support either lynch equally. . . . . . . . . . . . 2. Toadesstern. I don't want to lynch Toad tomorrow, but I will if town wants to because he's a mason that's not JH or myself. Pretty much no other reason. :/ | ||
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##Vote: Zephirdd But please - if I'm mistaken and anyone agrees with me, let me know. Between the two, I prefer to lynch talis because I feel like he's more dangerous. I just think Zeph is more likely to eat rope today. | ||
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Like you know, voting for your "scumpuppet"? I mean, can't he lead the others to you with your vote on him? | ||
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On August 09 2012 10:34 Zephirdd wrote: rofl this vigi is bad VE, your post is funny. You think talis is most likely to be scum, but you want to lynch me? So let me get this straight, scumteam is VE+CD+Talismania+(insert 2 random players here)? Also, people arguing against wbg, learn something: LOGIC > YOU. A player has all right to get mad when he is trying to use reasoning and all you do is shit. No, as I clearly said in my post, I'm equally sure on both of you. But hey - feel free to vote for talismania if you "agree" with me there - I'll gladly take the gift. I ain't too proud to take charity. ^^ | ||
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Can you clarify that a bit because if it's legit I'm switching my vote... | ||
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I mean, there are inherent risks involved with claiming as DT...claiming through a mason doesn't really mitigate those at all, because surreptitious behavior is often regarded as scummy rather than townie regardless of the intentions - look at the Lynch All Liars policy if you have any doubts. While I would love nothing more than to lynch talismania, this smells funny. No offense Toad, it's more to do with the manner of the pseudo-claimed DT rather than any of your actions. The fact that you claimed it for him/her is pretty null to me, considering I think you're smart enough to know that claiming that in-thread would be the smart move regardless of your alignment. | ||
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If Toad is in contact with a DT you're lynched - there's no way you're a miller. The question is if he's in contact with a DT or not. I think not. | ||
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On August 10 2012 07:15 Zephirdd wrote: Why not VE? Wouldn't it be incredibly convenient if Toad just happened to find a liar while masoning someone, and that lie just happen to implicate talismania? You seem keen in saving your buddy and voting for me while busing him. What is bugging me still however is how Toad suddenly can't talk about the mysterious DT. Toad, did you ask him for breadcumbs and reasoning on his checks? Did he explain why would he check you, claimed mason, when the OP clearly states that DTs check roles? If you can confirm the guy is a DT(even if you only say "np I guess he is legit") I'll support you on this one. Pieces seem to be starting to match... ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/aHSTl.png) | ||
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On August 10 2012 13:36 JingleHell wrote: You know, as much as I really never got a scum vibe off you, and as much as your argument here is making sense (with at least quick glimpses at filter for activity), even if we assume miller, having a red check alive at MYLO/LYLO is terrible for reaching critical consensus when the scum numbers are coming so close to townie. I don't want to lynch for information, and I don't want to screw up our odds. But I still want to trust my town read on you. If you can sway enough people on a lynch I'd prefer to get behind, I'll swap my vote up. If you're wrong, we take it as scum confirmation and off you instead. I gave a lot of reasons for my town read on you, and I'm sure that scummy people with an agenda will be targeting me after today's lynch no matter how it goes, since I believe you, so I might as well follow my gut. This post makes no sense to me. Why would anyone target you regardless of the outcome of this lynch? Between the two of you, you come out WAY ahead in the townie department in your logs with talis...the fact that you have logs with talis ALONE pretty much exonerates you from being scum if talis flips scum, barring some kind of crazy fake-mason-log insanity I don't even want to imagine... You either believe in your town read or you don't. You can't conditionally believe he's town based on whether he's able to swing the lynch or not, and that's EXACTLY what you're saying here. So what's it gonna be Jingle? Do you think talis is town or scum? ##Unvote: Zephirdd ##Vote: talismania | ||
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Also dat flavah. No wonder we lost Lucky Strikes. | ||
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Sorry I haven't been around, I had some stuff come up the last couple of days. I think of everyone, I think I'd like a Hassy lynch the mostest...but that's without doing a reread or anything. Fuck, sorry everyone...right after a scum lynch too. :/ | ||
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We're just lucky it's not MYLO | ||
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GG scums. | ||
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If you say so. | ||
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