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You painted yourself to be a very big opponent of mason claims. + Show Spoiler [As seen here] + On August 03 2012 12:26 Erandorr wrote: YO talismania : wtf So lets see. Townie masons are kind of bad because all you can do is privatly talk to someone to get information and a feeling of not some random player, but someone you want to talk to more? Also explain the bolded part please. Why are you focused on how a town mason is looking trying to get information? Are you serious? Can you really think of no reason how a scum mason could be useful? Yeah those kind of speculations always work out and are totally valid and never before produced complete retard lynches! Okay. So would I be correct in saying that you think the mason role is so shitty that having it claimed wouldn't really help anyways, so why bother? If I misunderstood feel free to elaborate. Why? I can think of reasons not to claim that, actually. And just because you can do something doesn't really mean you should , right? But mafia either already knows who the masons are by receiving PMs, or sleep soundly at night knowing the masons are bickering among the townies in private, accusing each other of being scum behind each others' backs. Along comes WBG and gives away VE, to which you replied: On August 03 2012 20:54 Erandorr wrote: any reason why you would out VE as mason this early? I mean thats kind of retarded. WBG confirms his stance on revealing masons, and has already done so in practice with an attitude that would assure anyone that he would easily do it again. + Show Spoiler [Here] + On August 03 2012 21:10 Erandorr wrote: Sorry wbg, I am just too retarded to understand you. Within the same hour you mason WBG and get your role revealed. This warrants WBG's reveal of your role being anti-town; your role specifically, revealing VE was just "retarded", not necessarily anti-town. If you had filed your mason request before WBG revealed VE, he would have revealed both of you at the same time. BC was online at the time, as per his voting thread announcement, allowing for all of this to happen in rapid succession. You have abused WBG's rash decision making to your advantage, which I commend. + Show Spoiler [Time of BC's post] + On August 03 2012 21:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Please move all voting into the voting thread I just created Here Thank you Erandorr's reasonings: + Show Spoiler [Here] + On August 03 2012 23:53 Erandorr wrote: I wanted to see if he did it again, considering I know my alignment. Its a completely anti town move . Give me one reason why not to hammer wbg right now please. + Show Spoiler [And here] + On August 04 2012 01:37 Erandorr wrote: Its a completely anti town move to out people like that without thoughts on alignment or actually any information. They may have been context with VE, but I thought of it as trading my role for confirming wbg as scum. it is that easy. + Show Spoiler [Finally here] + On August 04 2012 01:40 Erandorr wrote: EBWOP: at that point I wasnt actually certain that wbg was scum at all. Something else I would like to point out that fucks over wbgs shitty logic even more, he pretended to give reasons on why he outed VE. Now what exactly were his reasons to out me , assuming he is town? He seems to think that I am town, so why do that to me? Suddenly you become the victim of something you, apparently, could not forsee, making you look town. You try to convince people that WBG's move was anti-town, while the move against VE "may have been context", or was just "retarded", but not anti-town yet. It doesn't even matter whether WBG is town or mafia! He could be scum, and you may have asked him to rat you out without you even being a mason. I don't know. But you, Erandorr, I am very impressed with. That was clever. I will strive to be like you in the future. | ||
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On August 04 2012 08:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The day was busy and everyone was furiously making phone calls and trying to figure out the details of the day. Management was still in agreement that someone had to be fired and before they could make that decision an employee helped them. Ken Cosgrove marched into the Partners meeting room and threw down his letter of resignation. "I don't have time for this game" he said and turned on his heels and left the firm, gazing at the glass windows of Sterling Cooper Draper Pryce as the elevator doors closed. Zorkmid as Ken Cosgrove Has Quit + Show Spoiler + Ken Cosgrove: You are a man of many names. Ken, Ben, Dave. Each name for different lives. You have your day to day name for your job and your marriage, your first name used in writing and then your second when “forced” to give the hobby up. You have contacts all over the advertising industry and are the reason SCDP knew lucky strike was leaving to begin with. You are a hard worker and everyone thinks they know where you stand. They in reality do not. You made a pact to leave with Peggy should she ever leave. You wont be walked over again, not like you were at Sterling Cooper. Did town lose a player just like that? Didn't we have 2 replacements? | ||
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1) Accuse Glasse of having passive posts. 2) Change his vote to slOosh for not being active. Then he gets drunk and goes MIA. Instead I'm starting to look at Toad for borderline forcing people to vote for prplhz, as opposed to encouraging votes for whoever people consider scummy. WBG I'm almost convinced is town, in light of the conversation log between him and Erandorr. | ||
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Sheep town. | ||
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On August 05 2012 10:27 talismania wrote: Ok so 1) Medics protect sloosh tonight. If I were mafia I would kill him. He's always Captain America with the town, gathering votes together, keeping things on track. He's active and has generally solid analysis. Plus he's on me, so him dying makes it easy to push my lynch, and then boom two active townies are down the drain. So protect him. Silly talismania, directing medics at night? Town aligned players aren't supposed to play like very inexperienced mafia players. Fix your wording quickly before anybody sees. | ||
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Solid reasoning. I'm sold. | ||
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So since I tried to get votes off of prplhz, who turned out to be town, you suspect me of being mafia. I totally don’t see where you’re coming from. Sounds like you wanted to write something about me without exuding too much effort. Talismania: Honestly, I don’t know your alignment. But some interesting points that will have me pondering over are the following. 1) You ask two people, directly, what their opinions are of various players (including each other!) 2 hours after the game starts and before you even offer any reads yourself. + Show Spoiler [Erandorr] + On August 04 2012 00:06 talismania wrote: Erandorr what do you think of Glasse? (again) also, what do you think of toad and VE? + Show Spoiler [Toadesstern] + On August 04 2012 00:08 talismania wrote: yo toad what you make of erandorr, glasse, VE, wbg? 2) Then you dump this on us: On August 04 2012 04:37 talismania wrote: yep zeph is scummy for exactly why sloosh says. erandorr I thought was for a bit but I don't understand masoning wbg from a scum pov. jinglehell is town, lazer is town, strongandbig is town. toad I thought was scum at first because of the timing of his patented color text post but he's just been being generally rather toady, which is to say he makes really strange (from my perspective) conclusions about what's good in the setup and what's not with strange (again from my perspective) reasoning behind it. Glasse I thought was hilariously obviously scummy. Like so blatant I honestly don't know what to think. Guess I should go dig up another game of his. So you blindly agree with Sloosh without any afterword, and you label Jinglebell, Lazer, and SnB town aligned without any explanation whatsoever. Looks more like filler. 3) You go fishing for roles and alignments. On August 04 2012 05:13 talismania wrote: ps can people post their character names? I just want to satisfy my curiosity to find out who is in the game - I know that they don't mean anything since I'm VT with Henry Francis. Although I will LOL if scum has Ted Chaugh and Putnam, Powell, Lowe etc. And if WBG is veteran since Roger comes back from a heart attack in the first season. 4) Keep tunnelling. + Show Spoiler [Constant questions without much else] + On August 04 2012 07:13 talismania wrote: zeph and toad, thoughts on the other? On August 05 2012 04:46 talismania wrote: Toad what do you think about glasse's and dropula's votes? Completely cool with you? On August 06 2012 04:11 talismania wrote: strongandbig and VE what do you think of the other? On August 06 2012 04:20 talismania wrote: uh the only other read I see in your filter is about grush. Do you still think he is scum? Do you think anyone else is scum? How do you respond to what strongandbig said? 5) Finally you are just assuming Sloosh is town and order medics to protect him. On August 05 2012 10:27 talismania wrote: Ok so 1) Medics protect sloosh tonight. If I were mafia I would kill him. He's always Captain America with the town, gathering votes together, keeping things on track. He's active and has generally solid analysis. Plus he's on me, so him dying makes it easy to push my lynch, and then boom two active townies are down the drain. So protect him. I’m not completely confident on your alignment, none of this is conclusive for me, but come on; you need to sell your town play better. | ||
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On August 06 2012 05:07 strongandbig wrote: Mounting flimsy defenses of townie lynch targets for terrible reasons is something scum does a lot, they can point towards it later and be like "see I was on the right side of that". It's not just that you tried to defend him, it's that your reasons for doing so were terrible. My reason for not voting for prplhz was that there was little to no case against him. Far from terrible. | ||
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On August 06 2012 05:13 JingleHell wrote: But hey, somehow it turns into a scumread on anyone who was on Erandorr. Even me, when I was interested in him at the beginning of D1. I guess I've got an awesome crystal ball, right? What? | ||
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On August 06 2012 05:27 slOosh wrote: I've skimmed the thread, will drop some thoughts and flesh them out later tonight when I have more time. I want to lynch Hier for this post. He prefaces his case by saying he doesn't know talis' alignment, so what's the point of it? He points out 5 different things that he finds scummy / weird and nothing at all that indicates he should think talis is town. He ends by reiterating his hesitation, twice, and then gives talis advice that he should do a better job being town. Exudes uncertainty ("not completely confident") and confidence ("you need to sell your town play better") in the same line. Classic contradiction I'd vig / lynch into. SnB, I think I was pretty transparent that my ultimate preference is that we consolidate a lynch on either prplhz or talismania over WBG. Both looked scummy, and I was fine lynching both. I didn't find talis vastly or concretely more scummy than prplhz, if that is what you are interpreting from my post. On that note: Detectives Don't Check Masons I'm sure you guys are competent enough, but just in case it slips your mind, don't check masons unless you think they are lying about being masons (i.e. 2 scum faking mason interaction). I will also be rereading talis for spewing out more anti-town advice. Thread direction is very important to note and I'd encourage everyone to keep it in mind as they reread thread. I posted that in response to Talis. He asked me a question; it would be suspicious for me to ignore completely. I don't have a set answer on who is town and who is mafia, but those are the points I would strongly consider in the future. At the moment I'm convinced that WBG is town and Erandorr is mafia. | ||
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On August 06 2012 10:32 talismania wrote: Also, I was roleblocked. Do you get notified even without a role? | ||
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Why would mafia roleblock you? The first thing you suggest is them wanting to disable your medic abilities. Yet why would the mafia roleblock you, thinking that you are a medic, if you called out for medic protection on Sloosh yourself? You are also confident it was a double stack on Sloosh. Nobody claimed VG yet. There may have been no VG shots last night. Also, On August 06 2012 16:24 talismania wrote: 2) That by having the scum roleblocker roleblocking within the scum team I could claim RB'd without fear of couterclaim I don't get this point. The mafia roleblocks one of their own... because they knew you would claim roleblock? | ||
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On August 07 2012 06:43 talismania wrote: Ok I can confirm I was masoned by VE. I was also masoned by someone who is not out in the open yet as a mason. Assuming he can't convince me otherwise I'll probably out him at the end of the cycle (and post our logs and the logs he had with his D1 person Wait, how are you going to post the logs from Day 1 between those two unknown players? Did he just give you those logs to you in private? An awful lot of trust going on there between the three of you. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [Diagram] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/008rx.png) Blue star indicates us having the log. Erandorr - WBG Log VE - WBG Log Toad - Erandorr Log Toad - Hassy Log I would safely assume that a mafia player isn't going to mason a mafia player. We still did not get a VG hit claim from last night. We also do not have the Grush mason log, assuming of course that he even masoned somebody. So whoever he masoned is sure to be scum; Grush might have been silenced because of that log. I will also assume that no mason is going to not mason anybody within any Day. Grush might be the only exception to that because that guy was just weird. So people like Hassy, Erandorr, and Toad: we will eagerly await your logs somewhere towards the middle of day 2 of Day 2. | ||
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In conjunction with my previous post about Talis, I am also not entirely convinced by his medic-roleblock-Sloosh story. Out of all the players Sloosh thought to be mafia, Talis took up by far the biggest space in his accusatory posts. The only reason Sloosh switched his vote is because prplhz was someone he originally suspected anyway; Talis was simply nowhere close to leading the vote tally. With all that considered, Talis calls out for protection on Sloosh, citing him a very perceptive and involved player, all while referencing the fact that Sloosh was out to get Talis. So why call protection on a player that has devoted a lot of his efforts to running after a townie? Even more so, why would the mafia double stack (according to Talis, who is convinced of this) on Sloosh, who has spent so much effort running after a townie? Even with all that considered, why would mafia roleblock Talis thinking he is a medic (according to Talis, again)? If he was a medic it would make far more sense to protect Sloosh and keep quiet about it; there was no reason mafia would roleblock him thinking he is a medic. | ||
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On August 08 2012 01:28 talismania wrote: But if mafia was convinced that I was an easy lynch (which I kind of think they were given that I think one of them is VE) then removing sloosh helps their cause, precisely because someone like you could say what you just said (or synystyr, for that matter). You may have missed my point, I do not think you are mafia because Sloosh thought you were mafia. | ||
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On August 08 2012 06:16 Toadesstern wrote: Could we get a votecount? Here. + Show Spoiler [As of this post] + VE 5 Eran 4 Tali 2 WBG 2 CD 1 Xserbt 1 MrZ 1 | ||
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Here I posted a visual aid displaying Day 1 mason targets. It seemed weird that a PM chain of four players had formed. Erandorr and Toad made sense; Errandor for reasons I may, or may not, have outlined here, and Toad masons Erandorr to find out what he’s up to. Hassy, on the other hand had no business masoning Toad, since he shouldn’t know about Toad masoning anybody. He was virtually a lurker up until that point, and throughout most of the day, yet he chose Toad out of 25 people to mason. The contact between Hassy and Toad was established only after Toad PMed Erandorr. Hassy, it turns out, knew about Toad probing Erandorr, so he decided to probe Toad to keep him in check; to make sure Toad isn’t getting any crazy ideas, like Erandorr being mafia or anything silly like that. If you take a look at the log between Hassy and Toad, the first thing Hassy starts to talk about is WBG and Erandorr. Hassy then gives 3 possible explanations for Erandorr’s mason move, and, before Toad even answers, suggests that the most plausible scenario is the one that makes Erandorr look town, albeit a stubborn one. What a classic brainwashing technique by Hassy the Mobster. I will copy that move in the future. Because it’s good. ---------- So what makes WBG innocent in my eyes? I’ve gone through the WBG-Erandorr log, and this is what I found. + Show Spoiler [Part of WBG-Erandorr log] + [04.08.12 13:20:49] WBG: the only reason I am in this game [04.08.12 13:20:51] WBG: is as a favor to BC [04.08.12 13:21:00] ME: fuck if you are town with this game [04.08.12 13:21:05] WBG: also [04.08.12 13:21:06] ME: there will be a lot of people shouting at you :D [04.08.12 13:21:09] WBG: I've been requesting town [04.08.12 13:21:10] WBG: for fucking [04.08.12 13:21:12] WBG: 3 months The above is only mentioned once by WBG. This is how I see it: WBG has been playing on the mafia side often, and wanted to play town for a long time. He now has exams and would like to concentrate on them, instead of playing mafia. CB, however, drags him into this game because of some favour and gives him the town role. WBG gets pissed off because he got the alignment he wanted, but at the worst possible moment. He doesn’t have time to concentrate on mafia and truly let his town skills shine. Further, two people mason him, one of which is Erandorr; the person that very frequently tunnels him in mafia games (stated by him on multiple occasions). This pisses WBG off even further; he didn’t care about this game to begin with, and now has to fend off a barrage of players poking at his brain, against which he cannot show his best town play because he is preoccupied with exams. And as far as I could tell, WBG prizes his reputation as a good mafia player very highly (Mafia 47 wasn’t his best foot). ---------- These are my reads: WBG Toad Erandorr Hassy the Mobster Talis Although Talis isn't involoved in that particular circle, he has made so many questionable moves that I cannot ignore him. I've described some points here and here. Toad is up there on the assumption that mafia players don't mason mafia players. | ||
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On August 08 2012 08:34 s0Lstice wrote: Hier, stop with the connection theories until after we get a scum flip k? Aww. Okay.jpg | ||
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On August 08 2012 09:39 Zephirdd wrote: Also, fuck this VE wagon. Erandorr is full of shit. VE(as well as WBG) have been using logic more than anyone out there --' Soooo yeah. Oh, come on. I was the first to call out Erandorr for his mason using more than one line. Does anyone even read my posts? | ||
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Talis? Would you like to share anything? Would anyone care to share anything? | ||
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On August 08 2012 10:43 talismania wrote: Medics - Listen to me tonight please! Choose your protection targets between me, solstice, and strongandbig Vigilatnes: If you aren't modkilled (think BioSC might be one) then shoot VE. So let me get this straight. You want medics to protect only the people that voted for VE. You also want VGs to kill VE. Aren't you putting too many of town's eggs into the basket designated by you? | ||
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On August 10 2012 01:33 talismania wrote: If he said I was a roleblocker then he's lying. Perhaps I missed it, but who ever mentioned you being a roleblocker? | ||
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On August 10 2012 06:06 Toadesstern wrote: kind of. Although I can't tell wether or not the guy is telling me that because he IS a DT or because he's a goon himself trying to get a final ML today. I'm trying to ignore it right now and thinking of other possibilities  Did you mason him? Or did he mason you? | ||
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On August 10 2012 10:16 talismania wrote: No, no modkill. Town didn't get the modkill of hassy, you guys don't get the modkill of xsebt. BC has been lenient and fair. My bet is xsebt didn't even know he was breaking the rules. He probably misunderstood how masons work. Lord knows he hasn't been paying that close of attention to the thread. Regardless, you believed Toad about Xsebt being a DT and about what he revealed. Your lynch still makes sense. | ||
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On August 10 2012 10:57 talismania wrote: Thanks, gratz on getting lucky with me being miller. Ok so, wait. I must have missed the memo. You think I'm scum purely based on the fact that I think that you being scum is more likely than you being a miller? Because I saw no accusations from you before this point. That kind of makes you look more scummy. | ||
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On August 11 2012 06:27 Lazermonkey wrote: No, it can't be that way. He knew my name and I havn't said it in the thread. In that case you are both town, with him being DT, or you are both scum. In that case his reads are flipped, if he is lying. | ||
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On August 11 2012 06:27 talismania wrote: ahaha you should check with your qt before posting something like that =P QT? QuickTime? | ||
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On August 11 2012 06:31 Zephirdd wrote: quicktopic, the thing you are using to talk to your scummates. herpderp Oh right, I forgot, Talis called me scum because I chose the side that is more statistically probable. | ||
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On August 11 2012 06:34 Hopeless1der wrote: Scum magically knowing the roles of two otherwise unknown players is statistically probably?! What are you smoking? Are you even following the thread? | ||
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On August 11 2012 06:36 Hopeless1der wrote: Hier you're entire statement was predicated on CD pretending to have checks. No, it wasn't, I was referring to Talis being miller. Seriously, just read the thread. You don't even have to go to a different site or anything. | ||
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Or is it for some other reason? On August 11 2012 05:44 CountDropula wrote: The pressing nature of the game... Means my plans must be revealed Before the time is right. Damn right the nature of the game is pressing for mafia. We were going to lynch Talis, what reason did CD have to reveal himself as a DT if he himself considered Talis a mafia? Why not reveal himself when he has a third read, for example? On August 11 2012 06:15 CountDropula wrote: We must take them both out to give town room to breathe. Why not just let this lynch ride if he believes it correct? Well, Talis is in a dire situation, as a mafia he desperately needs a way out of this lynch. In comes CD to save the day! CD is mafia, claims that Zeph is scum, and Lazer is town. In reality it's reversed, Lazer IMMEDIATELY confirms that he is the character CD claims him to be to give CD credit. Then all of a sudden everyone gets off Talis and onto Zeph! Really?! Isn't that a convenient coincidence?! If we are to believe CD, why not stick to Talis for the lynch? Give me ONE good reason. Miller excuse is pathetic because they each have an equal chance of being one. This is easily the most transparent mafia play I have ever seen, and what's more unbelievable is people are falling for it! This is absolutely pathetic. So far NOBODY gave me a good reason why my proposed plan is bad, which is the following. We lynch Talis today, announce that we are protecting Xsebt with medics, and have him investigate into VE/Zeph/Lazer/anyone else. If CD survives the night, that means he is mafia (since he is a DT without medics on him). If he dies, then we get a DT flip, confirming his reads. We then get Xsebt's read from the previous night, who doesn't die since we either have protection on him, or mafia only gets that one kill that night (through double stack). | ||
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On August 11 2012 07:12 Hopeless1der wrote: Hier: What in the flying fuck? Zeph dies. Flips Town. We lynch CountDropula followed by Lazermonkey. Talis dies. Flips Town. We lynch Xsebt followed by Toad. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? Why is Xsebt confirmed but CD isn't? This isn't about the numbers. Zeph flips scum - that's it; CD and Lazer are permanently considered town. It becomes impossible to win as town. It's called bussing. On the other hand CD thought Talis was mafia, yet with his ridiculously well timed claim he a) took votes off of Talis (why?) and b) exposed himself as a DT to get killed at night, when he could have given town a third read. Doesn't seem suspicious in the slightest? | ||
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On August 09 2012 10:49 CountDropula wrote: Well, preparing my play has been... Consuming much of my energy, and it has been so long in the making that it simply must be done justice! Apparently the actors refuse to wear anything but red... Ah yes, there is the matter of my vote... ##Vote: Zephirdd One step towards a win for the audience, One step towards the bus stop for you... | ||
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On August 12 2012 06:44 Lazermonkey wrote: Why am I convinced that I will survive untill tomorrow? That's a good question. Is it because the majority of people are convinced that you are town and that there is pretty much 0% chance of you getting lynched tomorrow? Mafia surely wouldn't want to shoot someone like that. Or is mafia not going to shoot you because you are one of them? | ||
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On August 12 2012 07:23 talismania wrote: I've never heard of three shot vig but we'll see. I guess I should put my reads together now just in case. Oh, I kind of started to assume a VG has more than one shot, considering nobody claimed. Also, as somebody else pointed out, OP doesn't state that the VG has only one shot. But I guess we will see in 2.5 hours. | ||
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On August 14 2012 10:39 marvellosity wrote: if we have some kind of vig with bullets left, put one through Hassy's head please. I would actually suggest Glasse. | ||
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So I went back to see what I could find, and came across this in his mason log with BioSC: + Show Spoiler + Original Message From JingleHell: Damn it. I'm not sure I like this WBG wagon. Since I'm town, I'd be really surprised if both of the masons on WBG are town too, and I doubt they're both scum, since scum would coordinate. I mean, maybe there's 3 per faction, but Erandorr looks like he was looking for a way to start a wagon on bugs. Maybe it's just an aggressive town play, but it seems off to me. Any thoughts? The bolded part is basically a scum claim. When that was written VE and Erandorr were the only players that were known publicly for being masons. Toad, Hassy, and Grush were still a secret. I am absolutely appalled nobody managed to catch that. Come on, Jingle! Even if you didn't realize that the log would eventually have been made public, why couldn't you have just erased that line from the log? It's not like BioSC would bother going through it to see if anything was missing. Be more careful next time, especially as scum! | ||
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A WILD HIER APPEARS IN THREAD lullululululululululululululululul -bc SUDDENLY HIER lolwtf Lol! Good game. | ||
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On August 17 2012 15:34 BroodKingEXE wrote: Ahhhh nice call. BKE gives marv a hi five. Looking back I dont think anyone read those logs. I read all of them. =\ | ||
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