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On July 16 2012 23:25 tube wrote: idk what igmeoy means but i just didnt do any analysis It means i got me eye on you google is kind of usefull. Although calgar's premise is wrong. I think a mafia member is more likely to put much more thought into their posts then a non mafia member. From my 1 game of experience in which i played more of a lurker role as a mafia member the other 2 members put a ton of thought and effort into their posts. Even as going as far as having the coach review their posts before posting them to see what they thought. You are by far looking the more sucpicious right now. The accusation on tube is telling to me. After the heat on you it seems you like you know want to set up a policy of lynching lurker or people that do one liners. Instead of drving the attention on one person it appears to me you are trying to get us looking at a whole group in order to confuse the town FOS Calgar Also, i think there is a possibility yourharry post was an attempt to get attention away from calgar smaller FOS on YourHarry On July 16 2012 12:49 Hopeless1der wrote: I don't care if you have a scummy meta, SCUMMY PLAY DOES NOT HELP TOWN! If I find your play scummy, I'm going to read you as scum and push for your lynch. Our goal is to win............ I dont care if someone walks in with a t shirt with im scum plasterd on the front of it we lynch SCUM. | ||
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On July 17 2012 12:38 Hopeless1der wrote: Except for MYLO i agree that no-lynch is usually no good. Away from my computer right now but I should be able to find that statistic mislynch vs nolynch stuff tonight If its as good as your explanation from Newbie Mini Mafia XIX please dont bring it up. All you will manage to do is confuse yourself and everybody else. No lynch will allow the mafia to spread their vote and hide and would probally make it harder for blues to make better plays. Leave the math out no lynch = bad leave it at that. On July 17 2012 07:57 Obvious.660 wrote: Remember this? Nothing has changed. He's definitely a third mafia candidate (shitty posting history plus change in character to what looks like copy-pasted text from someone else) and it wraps up my theory quite nicely. The jig is up on the sacrificial lamb-ing and their strategy has been adjusted. His last couple of posts were completely out of character. Capitalization? Complete sentences? Total 180 and I don't think that a new-found passion for the game is going to change whether or not you type like shit. If I'm right on this vote, it will mean my read was good (unless I change my stance on the other two I've listed, which is not out of the question by any means) and I can have more faith in my other suspicions. If not, well, it takes a town to vote. ~6 Hours since the last post from YourHarry Still only one post from iamperfection. The perfect one would never sacrifice a mafia member. Also this is a mini mafia it would be very risky to throw a mafia member out. Also i dont believe i said anything about a sacrifical lamb strategy i said yourharry was trying to get heat of calgar by throwing a vote out there to take off heat from calgar. I dont know where you came up with this grand conspiracy of a sacrfical lamb from my post. And two can play at this game calgar i still got my eye on you. | ||
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On July 17 2012 20:06 Obvious.660 wrote: There aren't enough fingers to go around at this point. I will share a few thoughts before I sleep, as I may not make it back in time for any further analysis. Seriously, the town play needs to improve overall or we're going to mislynch tonight. It's awful that I am reading more scum than town. > tube still has my vote. Don't just look at the filter, it's better to read the actual thread when looking at him. Very few quotes to address the accusations against him in his responses will make analysis of tube troublesome without going through unfiltered. > YourHarry: Highly, highly suspicious of this one. Not because he voted for me, but because of HOW IT WAS DONE. > JingleHell is suspicious to me for his constant attacks on what words are chosen: "Wait and see" -- "Under the bus" conversations, where intent was pretty clear and he chose to always take it in the most negative context possible. He's railed on Calgar and me fairly hard. > Hopeless1der makes a safe vote against the lurking Fulla. Wanted to know about no-lynch for whatever reason. Leaning scum here. > Fulla seems to be lurking hard. Brings up a point of inquiry for some irrelevant statistic and probably goes to sleep. > iamperfection read my post but clearly didn't follow the conversation in entirety. Points a few fingers, nothing overly suspicious. I would call the posting history semi-engaging but barely active. Leaning scum here. > Calgar: My gut tells me town. > Mufaa: Two posts. One starts analysis with the promise of more. The extra analysis is nowhere to be found. However, his line of reasoning regarding JingleHell seems to be spot on so far today. > drwiggl3s: No scummy feelings here, yet. > Evulrabbitz: Lurky, but lives in Sweden. 7 hours ahead of EST, if my just-before-sleep math is any good. I'm probably off by an hour. Look for something from Evul in the very near future, well before vote time. > Hapahauli: Should be weighing in today. I have no strong feelings either way about his contributed play. If you get nothing else out of this, town members need to take a good look at their individual contributions and ask themselves if they've done everything they can today to work towards a good day one lynch. Isnt posting meaningless lists about every one in the game a way that mafia try to do to buy town cred. By being non commital you are trying to keep you options open so nothing can be used against you later. In fact the first guide that is posted in this thread states that what you just did is something scum do to try and hide. Why would a townie try and do something like that. I would say you are reading a diffrent section of the guide. ## Vote Obvious.660 On July 17 2012 20:39 calgar wrote: You've managed to vaguely reply to my post, yet you've addressed none of the content. You've lurked and been generally unproductive. You come in and point two fingers immediately but fail to later support your case. You get your case from another person and add no thought to it. You use poor logic and disregard my direct questions to you. ##Vote iamperfection I remove my FOS calgar I dont think a scum player would just outright vote for me after i acussed them. And if anyone elses wants to come after the perfect one i say bring it. | ||
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The mafia have the information advantage and if they wanted to risk it they could have not voted for obvious at all if they so desired. I will be able to work on this tommorow morning and i will post before the deadline what i think happened. | ||
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On July 18 2012 11:16 JingleHell wrote: As it is, if he doesn't get NKed, we have almost 3 full days before deadline to try and force him to defend himself. If, by then, he hasn't, he deserves what he gets. ? What is your goal jingle? Do you want to win or do you want to be just justfied in your reasoning for when you get lynches. What purpose does this comment make? Well if perfection flips town he deserved it so dont look at me it was his fault not mine. Our goal is to win not to look good in our reasoning. It dosent matter if your reasoning is solid it has to be right. On July 16 2012 12:49 Hopeless1der wrote: I don't care if you have a scummy meta, SCUMMY PLAY DOES NOT HELP TOWN! If I find your play scummy, I'm going to read you as scum and push for your lynch. I brought this up before but its worth revisiting. The mafia know what they and their other members are doing. When you set up these policies that say look thig guy is lurking thats scummy so he must be scum you give the mafia the grounds to rig the game. Let kill this guy because hes lurking is exactly what they want. Look past the obvious of the obvious killing what did i gain from it which would improve my scum position. There seems to be a lot less heat on people who were will nilly with their votes than their is on me who made a read and stuck with it. Lets take it further. When i was scum in http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=347856&user=149300 as a mafia member i felt more pressure to post so what came out was mostly fluff and and just trying to be confusing by twisting peoples logic. Our strategy for that game was that i would basically lurk while the other two would lead the discussion and the charge. In my posts i was wishy washy and non commital to make the apperance of just a bad newbie. In this game i took a definite stand and have not been wishy washy i made clear my fos and was clear on why i voted and didnt backtrack. If i knew obvious was not town why would i put myself in such a precarious position i could have just let others lead the charge and in fact i was the first person to call out obvious when i made that stupid list. Now if weather or not you believe me where do we stand who do we go after if im town. These are some of th posts that stuck out to me. On July 18 2012 06:13 Fulla wrote: The first thing that springs to mind is IF this is the obvious thing scum do, why would he post this? Why do people say this a useless worthless post? He gives clear reasonable arguments on each person. They are thought out and logical. yet: I thought this was pretty committed? According to him: YourHarry, Hopeless1der and iamperfection are the 3 scum. Word like leaning scum or my gut tells me is not being commital. This post appears to me to be a way in order to buy town cred because you are a mafia member and know that obvious is going to flip town so you try to come across as oh i dont know this isnt my idead and then vote for him anyways. On July 18 2012 07:10 Fulla wrote: Where the hell is obvious? Sigh.. It seems it's all down to me, I hate it when this happens. Let obvious be lynched or vote tube and force a no lynch. Good point, I overlooked that. Let's see what he flips then. ## Vote Obvious.660 And this once again this isnt my idead you guys came up with the point not me so non commital becasue he dosent want the obvious lynch to come back on him. I also fully believe that at least one mafia member is probally talking a lot. When mafia have a good voice in town they can help steer the talk in a way that benfits them. My goal for the rest of the day is to find the mafia member that is being very active and talking a lot. If i find something i will post before the deadline. | ||
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On July 18 2012 23:39 Hapahauli wrote: @iamperfection, you have a lot of suspicion on you right now. I suggest defending yourself and addressing people's concerns instead of chainsaw defending yourself by pointing out 3 different people (Fulla, Jingle, and a mystery 3rd "active mafia"). Secondly, what's the point of your experience as mafia in a past game? Its useless to speculate what mafia will do based on completely seperate player pools. Moreover, you cast suspicion on Jingle (who me and Calgar have strong townie reads on), and suggest that you believe there's an active mafia based on the events of completely different players!!! Lastly, what's with your language? You're suspicious of two players, and you don't even cast an FOS or take any strong stances. What are you afraid of - if you're suspicious, make it clear instead of saying something wishy-washy like "There have been posts that havemade me greatly question the motivation of some of the players." FOS iamperfection So what are you suggesting that there isnt an active mafia member that anyone that does some lurking can and is mafia. Guess what a mafia member wants to appears as a townie at all costs from the early on the who population of the thread have basically stated that lurking is bad it is only natural to think that there is a mafia member that is active. Also dont twist my words i never said that i was supicious of jingle and hopeless i said i question on what they were trying to accomplish. I feel like their goal was to appear to the mafia community that "im a good player my logic will be sound if i lynch some one and they are a townie it must be their fault for being a bad townie". | ||
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On July 18 2012 23:39 Hapahauli wrote: @iamperfection, you have a lot of suspicion on you right now. I suggest defending yourself and addressing people's concerns instead of chainsaw defending yourself by pointing out 3 different people (Fulla, Jingle, and a mystery 3rd "active mafia"). Secondly, what's the point of your experience as mafia in a past game? Its useless to speculate what mafia will do based on completely seperate player pools. Moreover, you cast suspicion on Jingle (who me and Calgar have strong townie reads on), and suggest that you believe there's an active mafia based on the events of completely different players!!! Lastly, what's with your language? You're suspicious of two players, and you don't even cast an FOS or take any strong stances. What are you afraid of - if you're suspicious, make it clear instead of saying something wishy-washy like "There have been posts that havemade me greatly question the motivation of some of the players." FOS iamperfection Also i thik it was pretty clear that fulla was my main target why would you make such a big deal about nothing. | ||
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On July 19 2012 00:04 JingleHell wrote: I've actually been told in postgame that GGing someone who gets themselves mislynched looks like post-lynch guilt, and potentially scummy, as getting mislynched is frequently a sign of anything BUT a GG. So yes, if a Townie gets themselves killed, I do think it's their own fault. This is not scummy, this is a fact. i dont understand the first line? GGing talking about saying good game to someone after they get killed? | ||
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On July 19 2012 03:27 Hapahauli wrote: Oh forgot to clarify, I'm very suspicious of iamperfection's recent posts, and the only sentiment in his favor seems to be Jingle's "this is too easy" argument. If you could elaborate on what was wrong with my recent posts. Explain to me how my position on obvious and my posting style served to help me in anyway. | ||
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On July 19 2012 04:19 Hapahauli wrote: I replied to your previous post here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351398¤tpage=29#577 Also, I haven't commented at all on your vote on Obvious.660. It could be seen as a bandwagon, but I don't find it suspicious in itself. As far as your posting goes, I suggest looking at the filters of Calgar and Mufaa, who've pointed suspicion at you. So you want me to throw out fingers of suspicon that really would serve no purpose other than to be used against me later. What purpose would fos serve the game will change in a few hours and as town the very little information we get come from the result of the night actions. Why be pigenholed now during the night. Its the same reason calgar is upset that jinglehell is trying to make a final be all decesion on who vig should kill. Also you didnt answer the question. my position on obvious was by far the worse i can do nothing to change on what i posted on day 1. Why wouldnt i just make a throwaway vote and semi bandwagon later on sombody else with less votes if i was a lurking mafia? | ||
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On July 19 2012 04:44 Hapahauli wrote: I'm assuming the "throw out FOS" bit is in regards to my linked reply. I'm saying to take a strong stance against someone. You're wishy-washy and simply throw around suspicion without committing anywhere. This is a mafia-trait. TBH, I don't even understand your question. Its not like you voted for Obvious - you voted for him when his fate was still in question. How does your vote for Obvious vindicate you? Because your thinking it in too simple of terms. If im mafia i know that obvious is town i wasent wishy washy at when i voted for obvious so according to your own logic my action at that time was more likely town. Take it further. When obvious is killed its natural to look at who caused the votes to happen how did it benfit me going later into the game how is it going to help the mafia win. Sure i could get the mis lynch on day one but im not set up in benfitual way at all on day 2. Ive been saying all along the goal is to win not looking good with logic or survivng lynches the goal is to make the town win. If im mafia my position makes no sense. | ||
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On July 19 2012 10:46 JingleHell wrote: Calgar got my attention when he screamed for a night hit on Perfection. Perfection, there's not much new to say on, so I figured address the one who's been skating by but seeming a bit off. I cant change what happened on the first day. Did i lurk yes but we can only go ahead with the situation that is at hand. I was thinking a lot about what i was going to do on this day and i cam fully prepared to lead a charge against someone because i believed their would be a lot of pressure on me and if i were to go down i was going to try and get as much info as possible for the town. Im a little taken aback by your vs jingle argument as i wasent expecting it to happen. So im gonna ask you what are your thoughts on my situation on day 1. No one has yet to give me a good answer on this. In what way did i benefit from the kill in my regards if im a scum palyer? You have semi defended me but i want your thoughts on that situation in itself not your thoughts on me as a player just that situation. Calgar has come and attacked me saying that my defense is not strong On July 19 2012 07:30 calgar wrote: about iamperfection: The problem is that, as far as I’m concerned, we’re already at the end of the road. He’s either mafia or a bad townie. Watching him post more bad reads, contradictions, and poor logic (which he continues to do) isn’t going to change any of that. He’s already crazy suspicious, what is more dirt on him going to do? It’s still back to the basic problem of whether or not he’s just a bad town. An invest on him is risky because he is a likely candidate for the role change cloak since so much attention is targeted at him. I've got to laugh and shake my head at "ill be back later tonight" that he said. Did he consider the chance of being killed? So sure that he won't be? Probably right, since he's so anti-town. Even if he was town they wouldn't touch him. His haphazard play would be poor for both town and mafia so it's a tough call. To calgar i ask you the same you have said my defense is not strong i want specifically what about my situation on day 1 make you think im scum. | ||
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I think ive made enough posts defending myself on what happened on day one you continue to hurl insults at everyone or try to actually help the town instead of thinking your helping the town. I dont get whats so difficult about my point. no one has stated a reason that if im a scum player why would i put myself in that day 1 situation. What would be my strategy going forward. I cant think of any. So all im guilty of is lurking on day one. | ||
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On July 19 2012 07:30 calgar wrote: about iamperfection: The problem is that, as far as I’m concerned, we’re already at the end of the road. He’s either mafia or a bad townie. Watching him post more bad reads, contradictions, and poor logic (which he continues to do) isn’t going to change any of that. He’s already crazy suspicious, what is more dirt on him going to do? It’s still back to the basic problem of whether or not he’s just a bad town. An invest on him is risky because he is a likely candidate for the role change cloak since so much attention is targeted at him. I've got to laugh and shake my head at "ill be back later tonight" that he said. Did he consider the chance of being killed? So sure that he won't be? Probably right, since he's so anti-town. Even if he was town they wouldn't touch him. His haphazard play would be poor for both town and mafia so it's a tough call. I think the plan going forward was to have me killed by vig and since im still alive go after me for the mis lynch. I think the would use the excuse that "im a bad investment" would be the rallying call when i flip town. On July 18 2012 11:16 JingleHell wrote: EBWOP: To be more clear, I'm not a vigi, but the way I see that, Perfection is too easy of a target. If I was a scum, Iamperfection (If we play hypothetical that he's a townie) would be easy to convince a vigi to shoot. Far too easy. We know his activity sucks. As it is, if he doesn't get NKed, we have almost 3 full days before deadline to try and force him to defend himself. If, by then, he hasn't, he deserves what he gets. But a vigi shot, that's easy to sell, could be a disaster if he's just inactive. I'm all for everyone stacking votes on him come daytime, at least until he starts talking. Calgar, would you feel comfortable suggesting a vigi shot on him if we came to a consensus that if it flipped him town, you were next in line for a lynch? I think they would use jingles own comments against him. Stating that i was a bad investment and that i deserved what i got through bad play. If i got killed by vig or then was the target of the mis lynch he would have been able to play it off easily I think the mafia has been caught off guard by jingles claim and have resorted to logical fallicies in order to defend each other between hapa and calgar. I havent seen any suggestion by hapa and calgar in the last few pages of who we should be actively going for instead or if they have any new reads to go on they simply have resorted to attacking jingles defense. If calgar thinks im scum has he simply forgot that he should be scum hunting. If im this blatant scum read why hasent he tried to push with some more evidence. Im not buying his defense. ## vote calgar | ||
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