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It certainly lends some credence to the Iamperfection argument, though. | ||
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On July 18 2012 08:27 calgar wrote: You would claim vanilla townie so as to not negate the value. Oh, great idea. Ok, since we can trust anyone who claims townie, let's just ask. Guys, who's scum? | ||
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On July 18 2012 08:29 Hapahauli wrote: Fuck. GG Obvious.660, wish I could've done more to save ya. @ Jingle - well if he claimed vet, he would've survived, no? It also confirms a townie and doesn't waste a lynch. @ Town - Balls. Fortunately we should be able to get some information from the bandwagon. I'll be looking through vote patterns and rereading filters tonight. In the mean time, make sure you post your reads before the end of the night!! I'll try to post mine in a couple of hours - we don't want anyone dying from the mafia night kill without providing any information. I wouldn't count someone claiming vet as confirmed townie unless they actually survived an attack. That's like claiming VT, with the exception that if they're telling the truth, it means scum won't waste an NK on them, and the only ways to confirm it are to have a Vigi shoot them or have a DT investigate them. I can't say GG, myself, when, even if we assume that 100% of the scum voted for him, which we have no way of knowing for sure, he still seemed scummy to enough townies to be in serious danger without scum voting on him. | ||
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My primary reason for thinking this is plausible, tube was too happy to jump behind me, but once the heat on him dies down, and people start remembering "he made an effort", his posting starts regressing mostly. Thoughts? | ||
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If, by then, he hasn't, he deserves what he gets. But a vigi shot, that's easy to sell, could be a disaster if he's just inactive. I'm all for everyone stacking votes on him come daytime, at least until he starts talking. Calgar, would you feel comfortable suggesting a vigi shot on him if we came to a consensus that if it flipped him town, you were next in line for a lynch? | ||
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On July 18 2012 11:45 tube wrote: Alright, this sounds suspicious, why do you need to make such a proposition? To me, it's pretty ridiculous that anyone should have to bet their life on a read that still has some chance of being wrong. I hope you're just trying to incite a reaction because this seems like something scum would try to setup. I gave my reasoning in the post you trimmed in the process of quoting me. Any particular reason for you conveniently ignoring it? | ||
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On July 18 2012 12:01 tube wrote: You're trying to convince vigi not to shoot perfection because it would be too easy, but we have no better targets and Vigi might not live until night 2 (or exist, for that matter). The more of us alive earlier, the better. Your suggestion that we wait an entire 3 days to lynch our most prime suspect almost sounds like you're trying to protect a red role or something so that he can use it tonight at least. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. If a vigi doesn't exist, I don't need to dissuade them. They only get one shot, so if perfection is town, it's two things lost, the shot and a townie. I already said I think perfection is an easy read, but he's too easy, and it's easy to see how scum could want the vigi to take that easy shot. Remove the shot from play to prevent a death on a scum, remove a town from play if he's town. He's posted so little that while I think we should pile a pisston of pressure on him, I still find it easy to see him as just utterly inactive. You know how in movies and books there's always cliches about too easy, or too quiet? That's what perfection is. | ||
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On July 18 2012 12:13 tube wrote: You just stated all the consequences of vigi shooting a townie, which are inherent and already known to everyone. However, the much more likely scenario is that he actually is mafia and should therefore be taken out as early as possible. If you disagree with all of Mufaa's, Hapa's, and calgar's cases against him, then you should explain where the reasonable doubt comes from, because "it's too easy" doesn't really convince anyone. So you're using "Me too" as an argument to discredit the utter lack of evidence that I've pointed to? There's not exactly much case to attack on him, which is my whole damn point as to why him living until the end of D2 isn't such a bad thing. A hasty bullet into the easy target could be a bad thing. Yes, it's plausible he's scum, nobody is saying that's not the case. All I'm saying is that we don't have a whole lot to work with, making it a rather hefty gamble. Your refusal to see that sounds terribly like you're paranoid you might be next and want to jump up and down waving your arms to get people's attention and convince them you're townie with your "me too" attitude. | ||
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That makes loads of sense. | ||
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On July 18 2012 12:35 tube wrote: I have no idea what you're talking about with this "me too" attitude. And are you trying to say it's too easy or it's too quiet? Make up your mind. When someone makes few posts, and those few posts are also very scummy, that doesn't somehow give him a probable chance of being innocent. I'm saying too easy and too quiet are the same general thing here. He's an easy target. "It's quiet, too quiet" *Sudden huge influx of random plot villain A shows up to murder every fucking thing in sight*. When something looks too simple, too easy, or too obvious, sometimes it really is. As was obviously the case with... well, Obvious. But hey, let's go back to your logic. When someone posts next to nothing useful, and it's mostly obviously scummy, lynch that mofo. Who's cool with lynching tube on his own logic? | ||
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And by the way, I'm not sure you answered what I pointed out. How would it make sense, if you were town and I was scum, for me to put a huge spotlight on myself to change which person was set to be mislynched? That would be utterly idiotic. | ||
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On July 18 2012 12:47 tube wrote: Too easy and too quiet are definitely not the same thing. If the few posts he made didn't scream scum, then you would only be saying "too quiet", which doesn't implicate him in anything. How was that the case with Obvious? He made a good number of posts until his summary, and retrospectively some of them were helping town and some just looked plain scummy. Perfection, on the other hand, has only made posts that have not helped town in any way. So now all my posts are both useless and scummy? Mind going into further detail? I'm very specifically talking about "too easy" and "too quiet" as the movie/book lines they get used as, a cliched precursor to pure trouble. That's as a comparison to the plausible situation I see with someone asking for a vigi shot against perfection. He's such a simple, obvious sort of target that it makes SENSE to suggest it, and if there's a scum motive, it kills two birds with one stone. Obvious was easy to see as scum, and got lynched, and it turned out to have been too easy. Too good to be true. And saying the majority of your posts are useless and easily seen as scummy? Let's go back to yesterday, the posting you did before your sudden change of heart, and a bit of your posting since the attention was lifted off of you. You've been highly active, but not in a serious sort of way. Oh, wait, let me guess, we still don't have enough information, right? Because yesterday, that's why you weren't saying anything useful. Not enough information. Well now you want Iamperfection to die based on NO DAMN INFORMATION. And you're STILL ignoring my question about why your theoretical scum Jingle diverts attention off your theoretical townie you, and onto the (now) confirmed townie Obvious, when I could have just sat back and watched the chaos with MUCH less attention on me. | ||
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On July 18 2012 12:48 tube wrote: Also, you're doing that thing again where you put words in people's mouths. First of all, I didn't even suggest that situation, the issue of you being scummy is separate from the one where perfection should be vig'd. Also, like I said, if that was the situation, then it WOULD make sense if perfection IS scum, because then it wouldn't be a mislynch on him. You're actually saying this? You suggested it was scummy for ME to dare ask Calgar to say he's 100% sure about Perfection based on practically no info. | ||
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As soon as we start following your implications backwards through the thread, they start breaking down. | ||
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