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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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Miltonkram
United States310 Posts
Every time talismania mentions him it's rather awkward. In tali's "Reactions" post: + Show Spoiler + ---snip gonzaw Actually follows the plan - as I said seems rather townie. Especially the timing. Talismania clears gonzaw of suspicion for the flimsiest of reasons. Gonzaw actually followed tali's plan, but that isn't alignment indicative. The fact that talismania seems eager to give gonzaw the BOTD early makes me suspicious of gonzaw. Then tali mentions gonzaw in another list (did I mention I hate lists): + Show Spoiler + Mattchew: I dub mattchew "the poker-prodder". He keeps poking and prodding people. He's ultimately a null tell for me, as he is in every game I've ever seen him in. For a second I had him on my scummy list because of his "hey are you just actively lurking" post until now when I've re-read his filter and seen him poking at everyone. I am a bit surprised he's not voting for me - I think as scum he would have done that by now especially when he called me out like he did. I also have a question for you, Mattchew: What ever happened to your thoughts about austin? You never mention him again in your filter after this. Risen: I agree with what solstice just said about his style. It's sort of impossible to read given his pre-game determination to change it. That said, his content has been incredibly lacking. He made his vote too early, he didn't explain it. Actually reading through his filter now he does seem really sketchy. Interested to see if and how he changes his vote today. solstice: I really like the case marv made on him, actually, but for some reason I don't know if I can move beyond a null on him. Like I think the first half of his filter is scummy (the part marv showed), the second half townie. Overall he is playing fairly relaxed, which is usually a town indicator as well. On the other hand he's also been fairly focused on just a couple players, which is a scum indicator. gonzaw: Aside from his "lol how does the setup work?" posts everything he's done screams townie to me. Like the amount of effort he's put in just seems excessive. Even I imagine myself with 100% free time I can't see myself doing that much work as scum. marvellosity: Marv. How is it possible that he posts so much but I always forget he's in the game? It's not like his posts are bad they're usually pretty on point. I've never played against him as scum so I dunno what he does then, but his filter so far looks fairly like his town filters from the games I've played with him. He tends to have a lot of targets and switch frequently, often correcting himself as town and I see that here as well. Vivax: Never played with him before. He's sort of in the solstice camp actually. First half of the filter is scummy. Especially the part where marv asked him to explain his feelings on matt and he was just like "here's filter do it yourself" LOL. On the other hand I like what he says about Milkton. On the third hand he's also playing rather focused. Null. sciberbia: Sciberbia I am your biggest fan. I love the way you post. I have no idea what your alignment is but if everyone posted like you this game would be easy. Keirathi: Well he's conditional town or conditional scum at this point. Like I think he was way too neutral in the beginning as someone else pointed out but he's also onto dropbear as I am. Milktonkram: I think his case and vote on me are bs bs bs... but incredibly random. Like I don't know why he does that as scum. I actually can't figure him out at all to be honest. strongandbig: dear god this is tiring to make lol no wonder no one ever follows my plans. Anyway. I think he's playing pretty freely. I think he was scum in space station? He was more uptight then. Notice how tali is suspicious of everyone but gonzaw. I find this incredibly strange since I don't think anyone, including gonzaw, had done enough to prove themselves either way at that point. Just look at the post. Tali finds reasons to be suspicious of every other player. Most of his opinions are along the lines of this, "Player X does this, but..." "I like this about Player Y, however..." etc. Gonzaw is very strangely above suspicion. I'll hopefully have more coming soon. I'm running out to grab a bite to eat and then I'll continue with my findings. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
Yea I found that suspicious as well. Think about it from talis's point of view. If talis is scum and gonzaw is town, wouldn't talis love for us all to not trust gonzaw? Why would he go out of his way to make dumb reasons to bolster a town gonzaw's credibility? At the same time, this also makes me suspicious of s0Lstice who did some peculiar townhunting on gonzaw D1. Though, at least s0Lstice had some better reasons IMO. I have a couple quick points to make in Mattchew's defense. First of all, does this sound like scumbuddies talking? Not to me. On July 13 2012 07:54 talismania wrote: loooool I love how you shit on my plan and then literally followed it to the T in that post. Three reads, one sentence explanation, at 24 hours into the game. :-) In response to your blurb on me I think "backpeddling super fast" twists my words. I posted a half-assed plan expecting it to get shot down but knowing it would probably generate discussion. don't see how analyzing the reactions means I'm backpeddling. What's with your needling of me in general? I ignored the "are you just active lurker" post at first but maybe keirathi is onto something with you. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
From D2: On July 16 2012 11:45 gonzaw wrote: However, I could see town Mattchew just not caring about his D1 fluke and thinking I'm shitting up the thread about it (thus making him a little bit more suspicious of me), but those reasons above don't make me confident in thinking he's town at all, specially since I know Mattchew is capable of doing that "fluke" as scum just to skate by D1, whether other people find it scummy or not (he wouldn't really care as scum). This is why I'm torn on him, and why I wanted that explanation from him. ... He had a good start that made me think he was town but some of his actions and behaviour made me doubt that (since scum Matthew could have just tried to appear pro-town on early-D1 like that) From N2: On July 17 2012 11:59 gonzaw wrote:Pre-Edit: I'm still kind of torn since it's possible you just were content with how things were going on D2 and thus didn't see the need to do shit; but I still find it odd since that's not what you were doing in early D1 at all On July 17 2012 12:00 gonzaw wrote: Hmm that last post of yours changes some things, you sound less derpy there. | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
mattchew- I still find things about gonzaw that are scummy. I am much more confident in my read on you though, and I don't think it's likely that you are partners. | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1832 Posts
scum Talis is doing what he can to avoid the attention of the most active and verbose town player in the thread. it's the exact opposite of why some people believe Dropbear is town....he didn't mind holding gonzaw's nose to the grind-stone | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On July 20 2012 00:39 sciberbia wrote: I have a couple quick points to make in Mattchew's defense. First of all, does this sound like scumbuddies talking? Not to me. This is a bad point, like really bad, I just said that scum can fake relationships. Judging on interactions is bad. On July 20 2012 00:52 s0Lstice wrote: sciberbia I don't see how that couldn't be two scummers talking to eachother. mattchew- I still find things about gonzaw that are scummy. I am much more confident in my read on you though, and I don't think it's likely that you are partners. So where is this confidence stemming from, the fact i sucked day 1? What did you think of my defense against your case? Was there illogical holes in there too? Did you think about how my buddying, not dying, your rushed view of my gonzaw push and your failed use of WIFOM against me were not points that were either right or alignment telling? | ||
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DropBear
Australia4365 Posts
1. Firstly, he backs up and sheeps tali's case against me on day 2. On July 14 2012 05:15 Keirathi wrote: DropBear Along with tali, I feel like he was been entirely overaggressive and disruptive with thinks like + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2012 02:58 DropBear wrote: I called him out as being suss last page, do you read boy? 2. His avoidance of voting for tali day 2. He clearly doesn't want to vote for tali, but doesn't give any other options. Not only this he puts in a martyr at the end. On July 17 2012 05:45 Keirathi wrote: Man, missing 90% of the day is frustrating. I'm second guessing everything at this point, and don't have any really strong townie reads. Also I really don't know what I think about tali. There's so many cases against him, and they are all decent, but none of them are damning I think. Maybe enough little things adds up to him being scum, but I remain unconvinced. Almost everything about him is either directly relating to his plan, or relating to things that branched out from his plan. I agree that his plan was really bad and I don't want to support bad play, but like Milton pointed out, he was entirely too invested in it. I don't really see scum as staying that invested into pushing something to intentionally bring attention onto himself. Something about this case and being so little opposition just feels bandwagonny. If I'm wrong, it probably means I get lynched tomorrow because of this post though  3. So who does he vote? On July 17 2012 06:51 Keirathi wrote: Bleh catch 22. Have to vote but I don't particularly feel good about the tali lynch. I don't think its impossible that he is scum, but I'm decently positive he's not. I don't really think Drop or s0lstice are great cases either. So who the eff to vote for. My gut read on a throwaway vote, or the popular read with no conviction?! Who does he vote? sciberbia, the first person to make a case against tali. 4. Next he jumps rapidly onto the gonzaw bandwagon. Sole reasoning here. On July 18 2012 08:09 Keirathi wrote: ##vote: gonzaw Note that a lack of explanation behind a vote was a key reason he voted for me on day 1, this is a double standard. 5. Lastly his ragequit. If he was actually a townie, he's arguing for a deliberate mislynch here. On July 18 2012 16:48 Keirathi wrote: Then fucking lynch me today so you can get past your tunnel vision that you had with Vivax and maybe make an actual good read. I'm serious, as much as I don't want us to lynch a townie today, I would rather Risen not be biased and tunneling me and not trying to find the real scum. ##Vote: Keirathi He mentions the real scum a lot, but his lynch plan was the same as mine, lynch Risen to confirm two townies. No scumhunting there. Also, I have only seen a ragequit like this once before; ilovejonn in mafia 39 who was scum and was backed into a corner so this is what he did. ##Unvote ##Vote Keirathi | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On July 19 2012 23:39 strongandbig wrote: Hmm. That is true. What is the case on risen? My reasons for being suspicious of him are mostly that he let everyone think he had a scum investigation on Gonzaw and that Gonzaw was his top scum read, which was apparently a lie. However I'm not willing to lynch him for that yet. The fuck? It should be a requirement that people have 3rd grade reading comprehension when playing mafia. How about you go reread what I said then come back here and say I misled people. I ever, NEVER gave any indication of a red check on Gonzaw | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On July 20 2012 01:16 DropBear wrote: Ok I'm moving on from Risen, I want to lynch Keirathi. There are five main points against him for mine. 1. Firstly, he backs up and sheeps tali's case against me on day 2. 2. His avoidance of voting for tali day 2. He clearly doesn't want to vote for tali, but doesn't give any other options. Not only this he puts in a martyr at the end. 3. So who does he vote? Who does he vote? sciberbia, the first person to make a case against tali. 4. Next he jumps rapidly onto the gonzaw bandwagon. Sole reasoning here. Note that a lack of explanation behind a vote was a key reason he voted for me on day 1, this is a double standard. 5. Lastly his ragequit. If he was actually a townie, he's arguing for a deliberate mislynch here. He mentions the real scum a lot, but his lynch plan was the same as mine, lynch Risen to confirm two townies. No scumhunting there. Also, I have only seen a ragequit like this once before; ilovejonn in mafia 39 who was scum and was backed into a corner so this is what he did. ##Unvote ##Vote Keirathi Dropbear cleared in my mind. Long hair don't care let's get this man lynched! [/b]##unvote ##vote: keirathi[/b] | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
##vote: keirathi Oops. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
why did I and half the rest of the thread think that's why you were voting Gonzaw? Actually tbh my reading of your post with the lol it's summer list was that you had a green check on me, a red check on gonzaw, and thought you'd found some breadcrumb or behavior indicating that solstice was the second mason. Seriously, you did nothing to differentiate between the way you presented your "townreads" on solstice and me, and your "scumread" on gonzaw, and you backed that last one up with a vote. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On July 20 2012 01:16 DropBear wrote: Ok I'm moving on from Risen, I want to lynch Keirathi. There are five main points against him for mine. 1. Firstly, he backs up and sheeps tali's case against me on day 2. 2. His avoidance of voting for tali day 2. He clearly doesn't want to vote for tali, but doesn't give any other options. Not only this he puts in a martyr at the end. 3. So who does he vote? Who does he vote? sciberbia, the first person to make a case against tali. 4. Next he jumps rapidly onto the gonzaw bandwagon. Sole reasoning here. Note that a lack of explanation behind a vote was a key reason he voted for me on day 1, this is a double standard. 5. Lastly his ragequit. If he was actually a townie, he's arguing for a deliberate mislynch here. He mentions the real scum a lot, but his lynch plan was the same as mine, lynch Risen to confirm two townies. No scumhunting there. Also, I have only seen a ragequit like this once before; ilovejonn in mafia 39 who was scum and was backed into a corner so this is what he did. ##Unvote ##Vote Keirathi This, I can get behind. Just psychologically I think it's likely that at least one scum wasn't involved in pushing the tali lynch, if not both. It makes sense that a newer player would have trouble pushing his godfather. Plus I 100% agree on the ragequit. It just seemed so unneccesary from a townie viewpoint, there weren't even that many votes on him; he just couldn't get whoever was active in the thread at the time to believe that he was town. ##vote: keirathi | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
I would be willing to vote for, from most preferred to least, the following people: - Keirathi - Gonzaw - Milton or DropBear I think Matt and Sci are town, and for the moment I'm accepting Risen's claim at least until we see the flip and NK. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
Point 1 - really not that suspicious Point 2 & 3 - okay yea he made a bad read. he got caught up on the idea I was scum and talis was not. It still feels townie though. s0Lstice seems much more suspicious for originally "strongly agreeing" with the cases against talis and then getting cold feet after 1 minor point from miltonkram point 4 - he understandably misread risen's claim point 5 - I grant this is somwhat suspicious His tone of posting since D2 just feels townie to me. Overall, I just don't see enough evidence to warrant a lynch. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On July 20 2012 02:01 strongandbig wrote: so the deadline is in ~5 hours, we should be thinking about consolidation. I would be willing to vote for, from most preferred to least, the following people: - Keirathi - Gonzaw - Milton or DropBear I think Matt and Sci are town, and for the moment I'm accepting Risen's claim at least until we see the flip and NK. If keir flips green what is your plan? I think I have something posted somewhere. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On July 19 2012 15:02 sciberbia wrote: relatively recent opinions mattchew: scum sciberbia: scummy miltonkram: scummy s0Lstice: scummy, just not as much as mattchew (or risen apparently) risen: thinks he has a good chance at being scum need updated opinions strongandbig: could get behind a lynch on gonzaw keirathi: likely he is scum dropbear: gonzaw looks bad I think consolidating on gonzaw makes a lot of sense. I also think he has a good chance of being scum. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On July 20 2012 02:01 Risen wrote: Ebwop: just read your sig and I'm dying laughing right now strongandbig the funnier thing is how in a later game I played with Drazerk he tried to use my sig as evidence for how townies mess up too much, and I'm just like, drazerk I think you missed the point | ||
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