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DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4351 Posts
July 19 2012 14:25 GMT
#1301
For the record, I initially criticised talismania here.
Accused Vivax of being scumbuddies with him here.
Talis made his case on me not too long after and almost got me lynched.
Sucker for nostalgia
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 19 2012 14:26 GMT
#1302
Dropbear what do you think of gonzaw, my case against him, and the most recent points I've brought up

Also what do you make of people lying about you pushing Talis
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4351 Posts
July 19 2012 14:30 GMT
#1303
On July 19 2012 23:26 Mattchew wrote:
Dropbear what do you think of gonzaw, my case against him, and the most recent points I've brought up

Also what do you make of people lying about you pushing Talis

??? I kind of did push talis on day 1, secondary to Vivax though. Same on day 2, I pushed solstice mostly with talis secondary. I never properly committed to a solely talis push, yes, but I brought him up regularly especially on day 1.

I think your case against him is ok but not great. Kind of like solstice's case on you. I would lynch Keirathi over gonzaw and unless somewhere Risen has god-forbid actually answered my question, I would take Risen over both of them.
Sucker for nostalgia
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4351 Posts
July 19 2012 14:35 GMT
#1304
On July 19 2012 23:05 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 14:37 Miltonkram wrote:
@ Risen
I don't think DropBear is scum. He attacked talismania fairly early on D1. Talismania attacked him too. It's possible that they were bussing each other early, but I find it extremely unlikely. Because of that I'm giving DropBear the BOTD.

@ Gonzaw
I have a small filter because I've been busy. If you've looked through my filter you'd notice that I had to help my father move. The move happened rather suddenly so I wasn't able to budget time in for this game, hence me missing the vote D2. I'm doing my best to catch up and contribute today, but there is a lot of posts to wade through.



Wait a minute

I was just reading Milton's filter and I saw this

He makes a case on Talismania day 1, then jumps off him onto dropbear

Then at the start of day 2 he still says dropbear is his top scum read for a large number of reasons, none of which changed when Talismania flipped scum.

Note also that dropbear didn't actually vote Talismania despite "going after Talismania" being the main reason people think he's town.

I think either dropbear/Gonzaw or dropbear/Milton is the scum team.

##vote: dropbear

It is true that I never full on went after talismania. What is also true is that talismania most certainly went after me.
Sucker for nostalgia
NoSmurfHere
Profile Joined June 2012
New Zealand613 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-19 14:38:01
July 19 2012 14:37 GMT
#1305
Votecount

[u]gonzaw(4)/[u]
Risen
Mattchew
s0lstice
Keirathi
Risen
sciberbia
Miltonkram

Keirathi(1)
Risen
Keirathi
Miltonkram

Mattchew(2)
gonzaw
s0lstice

Risen(1)
DropBear

DropBear(1)
strongandbig

pls tell me asap if theres any mistakes


The following statement is true. The previous statement is false.
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
July 19 2012 14:37 GMT
#1306
Dropbear, its important to realize that Matt didn't go all out to push gonzaw until I pointed out how it was weird that he wasn't.

There is a difference, its definitely there.
ATOBTTR
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 19 2012 14:39 GMT
#1307
Hmm. That is true.

What is the case on risen? My reasons for being suspicious of him are mostly that he let everyone think he had a scum investigation on Gonzaw and that Gonzaw was his top scum read, which was apparently a lie.

However I'm not willing to lynch him for that yet.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 19 2012 14:40 GMT
#1308
On July 19 2012 23:30 DropBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 23:26 Mattchew wrote:
Dropbear what do you think of gonzaw, my case against him, and the most recent points I've brought up

Also what do you make of people lying about you pushing Talis

??? I kind of did push talis on day 1, secondary to Vivax though. Same on day 2, I pushed solstice mostly with talis secondary. I never properly committed to a solely talis push, yes, but I brought him up regularly especially on day 1.

I think your case against him is ok but not great. Kind of like solstice's case on you. I would lynch Keirathi over gonzaw and unless somewhere Risen has god-forbid actually answered my question, I would take Risen over both of them.

S&B,
this is why I think dropbear is town, do you think a scum would actaully say out loud that a scum member lynch took a backseat to a mislynch? Aren't scum supposed to be paranoid and afraid to share? Has dropbear lied or appeared fearful of posting in the thread?
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Miltonkram
Profile Joined December 2011
United States310 Posts
July 19 2012 14:42 GMT
#1309
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 12:08 Mattchew wrote:
But later (after your D1 fiasco) you just parked your vote on talis, and spent 80% of your posts just going "what do you think of talis" or "vote talis" or "I want talis dead" or "talis talis talis".


Like, no offense to scib, but I would put a lot of the weight on Talis actually getting lynched on me forcing attention onto him. Scib's case was good and all, but would you agree that without me pushing individuals (not just HEY THREAD I MADE A CASE) was the real reason for all the votes on Talis? I wanted to get Talis lynched, something you flipflopped on a lot which I am extremely suspicious of. I think I did a pretty good job of bringing people from "I would lynch x,x, and talis," to actually voting and getting on Talis.

But thats enough for patting myself on the back.

I don't feel like every point s0Lstice made against Mattchew is great, but his point against this post stands out. If Mattchew did bus talismania, he stands to gain a lot by bringing his role in the lynch to the forefrunt of everyone's minds. I don't see how town benefits from Mattchew making this post. At best it's egoistic, at worst it's downright scummy. I'll be considering the possibility of a scum Mattchew.

PS. I finally made it through gonzaw's filter. It'll be a little bit, but I'll post my findings as soon as I can.
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4351 Posts
July 19 2012 14:43 GMT
#1310
The majority of my case is here. I think his claim was strange at best and extremely suspect at worst.
On July 19 2012 06:40 DropBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 06:33 Risen wrote:
On July 19 2012 06:29 DropBear wrote:
I think we should lynch Risen.

Ok so two things are important. If Milton is telling the truth about the roleblocking and if they are mafia aligned AND if Risen is telling the truth and is sane.

A - Both are lying and are the remaining scum. Lynching Risen gets scum.

B - Milton tells the truth, Risen lies and is scum. Lynching Risen gets scum.

C - Both are telling the truth. Risen won't get another check at all. Mafia will either shoot or block him for the rest of the game. If Mafia decide just to block him and leave him alive, noone EVER gets confirmed. Then it makes Risen look bad and could lead to a shitstorm of mislynching later down the line. Lynching Risen now confirms strongandbig and solstice, tomorrow we lynch through one of the other remaining players.

D - Milton lies, Risen tells truth. Risen will almost definitely get shot if there is no mafia roleblocker, so we are going to lose him anyway as there are no medics and evidence so far suggests that there is no jailkeeper. He will almost definitely die. Lynching Risen confirms solstice and strongandbig, tomorrow we lynch through one of the other remaining players.

Based on the permutations, I think we should lynch Risen.

If there are holes in my logic please point them out!

##Vote Risen


I like how this ignores every other player in the game rofl. Dropbear is Keir's partner?

Dude there is no way of confirming either claim beyond a flip. I can see absolutely no reason why you have claimed so early, or for your breadcrumb. You were under suspicion from several people and were unlikely to be shot by mafia. Plus you say you had no scum hits so you had no real important information to give by claiming.

I have no idea whether I believe you or not and this is as far as I can tell the only way, given the added complication of Milton's claim.

He has all of a sudden exploded into life late on night 2 and I think lynching him would in most permutations give a good or at least minimal damage result, given the roleblocker claim by Milton.
Sucker for nostalgia
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 19 2012 14:44 GMT
#1311
Well shit keirathi is still voting himself?

So reading dropbear's filter makes him seem scummy but talismania's filter is confusing - I need to think for a little bit.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 19 2012 14:45 GMT
#1312
milton it was a way of explaining the posts i made that gonzaw (i believe) was calling me out on, insinuating that I didn't push Talis's lynch
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
July 19 2012 14:51 GMT
#1313
also how are people ignoring the part of my case where Mattchew talks about his read on Risen?

--read on Risen is based largely on consistency and logic
--is Risen still displaying consistency and logic Mattchew?
--not exactly, but that doesnt change my read in any way

wtf????
ATOBTTR
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
July 19 2012 14:52 GMT
#1314
On July 19 2012 23:40 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 23:30 DropBear wrote:
On July 19 2012 23:26 Mattchew wrote:
Dropbear what do you think of gonzaw, my case against him, and the most recent points I've brought up

Also what do you make of people lying about you pushing Talis

??? I kind of did push talis on day 1, secondary to Vivax though. Same on day 2, I pushed solstice mostly with talis secondary. I never properly committed to a solely talis push, yes, but I brought him up regularly especially on day 1.

I think your case against him is ok but not great. Kind of like solstice's case on you. I would lynch Keirathi over gonzaw and unless somewhere Risen has god-forbid actually answered my question, I would take Risen over both of them.

S&B,
this is why I think dropbear is town, do you think a scum would actaully say out loud that a scum member lynch took a backseat to a mislynch? Aren't scum supposed to be paranoid and afraid to share? Has dropbear lied or appeared fearful of posting in the thread?



Okay, this is also true. Not enough for me to put dropbear in the town category but enough for me to unvote him.

##unvote

Now dropbear, what if Milton is scum and is lying? Or if he was jail kept for some unfathomable reason? Then lynching risen hurts us enormously.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 19 2012 14:54 GMT
#1315
On July 19 2012 23:51 s0Lstice wrote:
also how are people ignoring the part of my case where Mattchew talks about his read on Risen?

--read on Risen is based largely on consistency and logic
--is Risen still displaying consistency and logic Mattchew?
--not exactly, but that doesnt change my read in any way

wtf????

woah, i said that it changed a little, but not nearly enough to make me think he is scum, or someone I would wanna lynch today. I want to lynch scum Gonzaw today, discussion of Risen's alignment can take place tonight when theres 7 town vs 1 scum
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
July 19 2012 14:58 GMT
#1316
nope, here's what you said

On July 19 2012 07:16 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 07:04 s0Lstice wrote:
On July 17 2012 11:04 Mattchew wrote:
I just read Risen's entire filter, and couldn't find any inconsistencies or holes in logic. Even his read on me I can't really argue with. I haven't been as active as I should this game and while I don't think I have tried to fly under the radar, I could see where one may draw that conclusion.

His reads are constantly evolving and changing more WAY more than when I played with him as scum, and he basically started and got Vivax lynched. While I didn't agree with the lynch + Show Spoiler +
On July 13 2012 03:27 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 03:23 marvellosity wrote:
What do you see in Vivax that makes you think he might be town?

his effort and his not giving a fuck style

he didn't push it in a scummy way. Late voters of Vivax should actually be looked at more strongly.

This leads me to my next scum candidate.

Gonzaw.

I was waiting to push this until Talis flipped because A. I wanted to see if he was scum and B. I wanted to keep the conversation on Talis.

I will make my case before deadline tomorrow. I have a lot of it mapped out in my head just not written down yet and I want to keep up with the fast pace of Bureaurcracy Mafia tonight


Is this statement still true Mattchew?

Not exactly, because of his gonzaw play which I don't fully understand, but I don't think that changes my read on him in anyway


not changing in any way means....not changing in any way. I don't think there's much wiggle room there.
ATOBTTR
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4351 Posts
July 19 2012 14:59 GMT
#1317
On July 19 2012 23:52 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 23:40 Mattchew wrote:
On July 19 2012 23:30 DropBear wrote:
On July 19 2012 23:26 Mattchew wrote:
Dropbear what do you think of gonzaw, my case against him, and the most recent points I've brought up

Also what do you make of people lying about you pushing Talis

??? I kind of did push talis on day 1, secondary to Vivax though. Same on day 2, I pushed solstice mostly with talis secondary. I never properly committed to a solely talis push, yes, but I brought him up regularly especially on day 1.

I think your case against him is ok but not great. Kind of like solstice's case on you. I would lynch Keirathi over gonzaw and unless somewhere Risen has god-forbid actually answered my question, I would take Risen over both of them.

S&B,
this is why I think dropbear is town, do you think a scum would actaully say out loud that a scum member lynch took a backseat to a mislynch? Aren't scum supposed to be paranoid and afraid to share? Has dropbear lied or appeared fearful of posting in the thread?



Okay, this is also true. Not enough for me to put dropbear in the town category but enough for me to unvote him.

##unvote

Now dropbear, what if Milton is scum and is lying? Or if he was jail kept for some unfathomable reason? Then lynching risen hurts us enormously.

If Milton is scum and Risen is town is the bad permutation of the four I agree. However it still confirms you and solstice.
Sucker for nostalgia
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4351 Posts
July 19 2012 15:00 GMT
#1318
On July 19 2012 23:51 s0Lstice wrote:
also how are people ignoring the part of my case where Mattchew talks about his read on Risen?

--read on Risen is based largely on consistency and logic
--is Risen still displaying consistency and logic Mattchew?
--not exactly, but that doesnt change my read in any way

wtf????

Ok this is interesting. Mattchew?
Sucker for nostalgia
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 19 2012 15:03 GMT
#1319
On July 19 2012 23:58 s0Lstice wrote:
nope, here's what you said

Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 07:16 Mattchew wrote:
On July 19 2012 07:04 s0Lstice wrote:
On July 17 2012 11:04 Mattchew wrote:
I just read Risen's entire filter, and couldn't find any inconsistencies or holes in logic. Even his read on me I can't really argue with. I haven't been as active as I should this game and while I don't think I have tried to fly under the radar, I could see where one may draw that conclusion.

His reads are constantly evolving and changing more WAY more than when I played with him as scum, and he basically started and got Vivax lynched. While I didn't agree with the lynch + Show Spoiler +
On July 13 2012 03:27 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 03:23 marvellosity wrote:
What do you see in Vivax that makes you think he might be town?

his effort and his not giving a fuck style

he didn't push it in a scummy way. Late voters of Vivax should actually be looked at more strongly.

This leads me to my next scum candidate.

Gonzaw.

I was waiting to push this until Talis flipped because A. I wanted to see if he was scum and B. I wanted to keep the conversation on Talis.

I will make my case before deadline tomorrow. I have a lot of it mapped out in my head just not written down yet and I want to keep up with the fast pace of Bureaurcracy Mafia tonight


Is this statement still true Mattchew?

Not exactly, because of his gonzaw play which I don't fully understand, but I don't think that changes my read on him in anyway


not changing in any way means....not changing in any way. I don't think there's much wiggle room there.

Ugh I'm being hounded on a read that I honestly don't care about right now and gave a knee-jerk response to, to keep the focus of my discussions on Gonzaw

What do you think of what I recently posted about Gonzaw?
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 19 2012 15:05 GMT
#1320
Announcement:

I dont care about Risen's alignment today. He claimed cop, no one counter claimed, and no one has claimed any other blue role, which with a GF flip and no mason buddy claim makes me believe he is telling the truth.
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
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