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Literally everybody think gonzaw is scummy. I think we should start voting him now.
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On July 20 2012 02:02 sciberbia wrote:
Guys I really don't think keirathi is a good lynch. Read his filter back to front. There really isn't anything that scummy and a few things feel townie.
Point 1 - really not that suspicious
Point 2 & 3 - okay yea he made a bad read. he got caught up on the idea I was scum and talis was not. It still feels townie though. s0Lstice seems much more suspicious for originally "strongly agreeing" with the cases against talis and then getting cold feet after 1 minor point from miltonkram
point 4 - he understandably misread risen's claim
point 5 - I grant this is somwhat suspicious
His tone of posting since D2 just feels townie to me.
Overall, I just don't see enough evidence to warrant a lynch.
My read is based entirely on his day 3 play. Seriously who lynches a cop claim when the cop is either going to die that night or come back with another check then get lynched the next day?
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On July 20 2012 02:05 sciberbia wrote:
Literally everybody think gonzaw is scummy. I think we should start voting him now.
Vote Keir #1 martyr/cop killer scum.
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On July 20 2012 02:03 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 02:01 strongandbig wrote:
so the deadline is in ~5 hours, we should be thinking about consolidation.
I would be willing to vote for, from most preferred to least, the following people:
- Keirathi
- Gonzaw
- Milton or DropBear
I think Matt and Sci are town, and for the moment I'm accepting Risen's claim at least until we see the flip and NK. If keir flips green what is your plan? I think I have something posted somewhere.
So I actually had a paragraph of hypothetical speculation written up but then I realized this question makes no sense.
If Keir flips green my plan is to find scum and kill them.
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@Risen
There is some logic to it. You have to consider the very strong possibility that you survive the night but say you were roleblocked. Then what do we do?
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On July 20 2012 02:06 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 02:02 sciberbia wrote:
Guys I really don't think keirathi is a good lynch. Read his filter back to front. There really isn't anything that scummy and a few things feel townie.
Point 1 - really not that suspicious
Point 2 & 3 - okay yea he made a bad read. he got caught up on the idea I was scum and talis was not. It still feels townie though. s0Lstice seems much more suspicious for originally "strongly agreeing" with the cases against talis and then getting cold feet after 1 minor point from miltonkram
point 4 - he understandably misread risen's claim
point 5 - I grant this is somwhat suspicious
His tone of posting since D2 just feels townie to me.
Overall, I just don't see enough evidence to warrant a lynch. My read is based entirely on his day 3 play. Seriously who lynches a cop claim when the cop is either going to die that night or come back with another check then get lynched the next day?
sigh.
DOUBLE FUCKING SIGH.
Either milton is scum or there's a roleblocker (or both, possibly but unlikely).
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@Risen
and why do you think we'd lynch you tomorrow if you had another check? We wouldn't..
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actually you know what fuck this
i'm officially willing to lynch risen now.
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I don't think risen would be the worst lynch ever, but think about it.
If he fips scum, we probably lynch gonzaw tomorrow.
If he flips cop, we probably lynch gonzaw tomorrow.
So why don't we just lynch gonzaw today, and give risen the chance to get another check if he really is cop?
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if he's scum he'll just make up another green check though.
well, I'll lynch gonzaw or risen if keirathi's not happening but i'll keep my vote on keirathi until I get home, see you fools in a few hours.
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I'm just saying that we don't have anything to lose by lynching gonzaw today and risen tomorrow.
And there's the possibility that risen is the real cop and manages to get a red check tomorrow(shouldn't be that hard if gonzaw flips green and risen actually is a real cop).
So we have something to gain and nothing to lose by waiting until tomorrow before deciding whether to lynch risen IMO.
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On July 20 2012 02:09 sciberbia wrote:
@Risen
There is some logic to it. You have to consider the very strong possibility that you survive the night but say you were roleblocked. Then what do we do?
If I live through the night and am roleblocked you lynch me and get confirmation on scum having a roleblocker when I flip cop. I don't see any other option there.
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On July 20 2012 01:16 DropBear wrote:Ok I'm moving on from Risen, I want to lynch Keirathi. There are five main points against him for mine. 1. Firstly, he backs up and sheeps tali's case against me on day 2. Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 05:15 Keirathi wrote:DropBearAlong with tali, I feel like he was been entirely overaggressive and disruptive with thinks like + Show Spoiler +On July 13 2012 02:58 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 02:20 talismania wrote:On July 13 2012 02:00 DropBear wrote:
##Vote Vivax the hell? any reasons beyond what marv said? I called him out as being suss last page, do you read boy? , but he refuted that with some meta argument, so I'll give him the BotD for that just being the way he plays.
Not really anything to say about this. Yes, I did.
On July 20 2012 01:16 DropBear wrote:2. His avoidance of voting for tali day 2. He clearly doesn't want to vote for tali, but doesn't give any other options. Not only this he puts in a martyr at the end. Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 05:45 Keirathi wrote:Man, missing 90% of the day is frustrating. I'm second guessing everything at this point, and don't have any really strong townie reads. Also I really don't know what I think about tali. There's so many cases against him, and they are all decent, but none of them are damning I think. Maybe enough little things adds up to him being scum, but I remain unconvinced. Almost everything about him is either directly relating to his plan, or relating to things that branched out from his plan. I agree that his plan was really bad and I don't want to support bad play, but like Milton pointed out, he was entirely too invested in it. I don't really see scum as staying that invested into pushing something to intentionally bring attention onto himself. Something about this case and being so little opposition just feels bandwagonny. If I'm wrong, it probably means I get lynched tomorrow because of this post though 
I didn't give any other options? I posted my thoughts on sciberbia BEFORE i made that post.
On July 20 2012 01:16 DropBear wrote:3. So who does he vote? Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 06:51 Keirathi wrote:
Bleh catch 22. Have to vote but I don't particularly feel good about the tali lynch. I don't think its impossible that he is scum, but I'm decently positive he's not.
I don't really think Drop or s0lstice are great cases either. So who the eff to vote for. My gut read on a throwaway vote, or the popular read with no conviction?! Who does he vote? sciberbia, the first person to make a case against tali.
I mentioned I was out of town. I get back to the thread with 7 votes on my teamate (if we're assuming that I'm scum here). Why wouldn't I just hop on the wagon? Why would I go after the person attacking him? I mean, there was no way scib was going to get lynched at that point. So what would be the benefit for me as scum to even make a case or vote him?
On July 20 2012 01:16 DropBear wrote:4. Next he jumps rapidly onto the gonzaw bandwagon. Sole reasoning here. Note that a lack of explanation behind a vote was a key reason he voted for me on day 1, this is a double standard.
What can I say? I think hopping on someone for no reason is dumb. I obviously thought gonzaw was a red check from the cop. He keeps saying that that was never his intent, but thats what I thought when I read his claim post.
On July 20 2012 01:16 DropBear wrote:5. Lastly his ragequit. If he was actually a townie, he's arguing for a deliberate mislynch here. Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 16:48 Keirathi wrote:On July 18 2012 16:46 Risen wrote:
It's hilarious how scummy keirathi's posting is. (i guess I'm the only one seeing it though since you have to take my being a cop as true to see it that way)
And maybe strongandbig sees it. Then fucking lynch me today so you can get past your tunnel vision that you had with Vivax and maybe make an actual good read. I'm serious, as much as I don't want us to lynch a townie today, I would rather Risen not be biased and tunneling me and not trying to find the real scum. ##Vote: Keirathi He mentions the real scum a lot, but his lynch plan was the same as mine, lynch Risen to confirm two townies. No scumhunting there. Also, I have only seen a ragequit like this once before; ilovejonn in mafia 39 who was scum and was backed into a corner so this is what he did. ##Unvote
##Vote Keirathi
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You are right, I was arguing for a deliberate mislynch. Because I didn't (and maybe now still) believe that the whole Risen vs me situation isn't going to resolve until one of us dies. And, despite Risen constantly saying otherwise, I think the mafia will do whatever they can to keep him alive for absolutely as long as possible.
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On July 20 2012 02:10 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 02:06 Risen wrote:On July 20 2012 02:02 sciberbia wrote:
Guys I really don't think keirathi is a good lynch. Read his filter back to front. There really isn't anything that scummy and a few things feel townie.
Point 1 - really not that suspicious
Point 2 & 3 - okay yea he made a bad read. he got caught up on the idea I was scum and talis was not. It still feels townie though. s0Lstice seems much more suspicious for originally "strongly agreeing" with the cases against talis and then getting cold feet after 1 minor point from miltonkram
point 4 - he understandably misread risen's claim
point 5 - I grant this is somwhat suspicious
His tone of posting since D2 just feels townie to me.
Overall, I just don't see enough evidence to warrant a lynch. My read is based entirely on his day 3 play. Seriously who lynches a cop claim when the cop is either going to die that night or come back with another check then get lynched the next day? sigh. DOUBLE FUCKING SIGH. Either milton is scum or there's a roleblocker (or both, possibly but unlikely).
Or there's a Jk or he's claiming he was rb'd and scum withheld their rb last night, will use it on me tonight and "clear" milton
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On July 20 2012 02:20 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 01:16 DropBear wrote:Ok I'm moving on from Risen, I want to lynch Keirathi. There are five main points against him for mine. 1. Firstly, he backs up and sheeps tali's case against me on day 2. On July 14 2012 05:15 Keirathi wrote:DropBearAlong with tali, I feel like he was been entirely overaggressive and disruptive with thinks like + Show Spoiler +On July 13 2012 02:58 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 02:20 talismania wrote:On July 13 2012 02:00 DropBear wrote:
##Vote Vivax the hell? any reasons beyond what marv said? I called him out as being suss last page, do you read boy? , but he refuted that with some meta argument, so I'll give him the BotD for that just being the way he plays. Not really anything to say about this. Yes, I did. Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 01:16 DropBear wrote:2. His avoidance of voting for tali day 2. He clearly doesn't want to vote for tali, but doesn't give any other options. Not only this he puts in a martyr at the end. On July 17 2012 05:45 Keirathi wrote:Man, missing 90% of the day is frustrating. I'm second guessing everything at this point, and don't have any really strong townie reads. Also I really don't know what I think about tali. There's so many cases against him, and they are all decent, but none of them are damning I think. Maybe enough little things adds up to him being scum, but I remain unconvinced. Almost everything about him is either directly relating to his plan, or relating to things that branched out from his plan. I agree that his plan was really bad and I don't want to support bad play, but like Milton pointed out, he was entirely too invested in it. I don't really see scum as staying that invested into pushing something to intentionally bring attention onto himself. Something about this case and being so little opposition just feels bandwagonny. If I'm wrong, it probably means I get lynched tomorrow because of this post though I didn't give any other options? I posted my thoughts on sciberbia BEFORE i made that post. Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 01:16 DropBear wrote:3. So who does he vote? On July 17 2012 06:51 Keirathi wrote:
Bleh catch 22. Have to vote but I don't particularly feel good about the tali lynch. I don't think its impossible that he is scum, but I'm decently positive he's not.
I don't really think Drop or s0lstice are great cases either. So who the eff to vote for. My gut read on a throwaway vote, or the popular read with no conviction?! Who does he vote? sciberbia, the first person to make a case against tali. I mentioned I was out of town. I get back to the thread with 7 votes on my teamate (if we're assuming that I'm scum here). Why wouldn't I just hop on the wagon? Why would I go after the person attacking him? I mean, there was no way scib was going to get lynched at that point. So what would be the benefit for me as scum to even make a case or vote him? Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 01:16 DropBear wrote:4. Next he jumps rapidly onto the gonzaw bandwagon. Sole reasoning here. On July 18 2012 08:09 Keirathi wrote:
##vote: gonzaw Note that a lack of explanation behind a vote was a key reason he voted for me on day 1, this is a double standard. What can I say? I think hopping on someone for no reason is dumb. I obviously thought gonzaw was a red check from the cop. He keeps saying that that was never his intent, but thats what I thought when I read his claim post. Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 01:16 DropBear wrote:5. Lastly his ragequit. If he was actually a townie, he's arguing for a deliberate mislynch here. On July 18 2012 16:48 Keirathi wrote:On July 18 2012 16:46 Risen wrote:
It's hilarious how scummy keirathi's posting is. (i guess I'm the only one seeing it though since you have to take my being a cop as true to see it that way)
And maybe strongandbig sees it. Then fucking lynch me today so you can get past your tunnel vision that you had with Vivax and maybe make an actual good read. I'm serious, as much as I don't want us to lynch a townie today, I would rather Risen not be biased and tunneling me and not trying to find the real scum. ##Vote: Keirathi He mentions the real scum a lot, but his lynch plan was the same as mine, lynch Risen to confirm two townies. No scumhunting there. Also, I have only seen a ragequit like this once before; ilovejonn in mafia 39 who was scum and was backed into a corner so this is what he did. ##Unvote
##Vote Keirathi
You are right, I was arguing for a deliberate mislynch. Because I didn't (and maybe now still) believe that the whole Risen vs me situation isn't going to resolve until one of us dies. And, despite Risen constantly saying otherwise, I think the mafia will do whatever they can to keep him alive for absolutely as long as possible.
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Nice try, but in this post Keir pretty much tells us he knows scum has a role blocker (how could he know this? He's scum)
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On July 20 2012 02:24 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 02:20 Keirathi wrote:On July 20 2012 01:16 DropBear wrote:Ok I'm moving on from Risen, I want to lynch Keirathi. There are five main points against him for mine. 1. Firstly, he backs up and sheeps tali's case against me on day 2. On July 14 2012 05:15 Keirathi wrote:DropBearAlong with tali, I feel like he was been entirely overaggressive and disruptive with thinks like + Show Spoiler +On July 13 2012 02:58 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 02:20 talismania wrote:On July 13 2012 02:00 DropBear wrote:
##Vote Vivax the hell? any reasons beyond what marv said? I called him out as being suss last page, do you read boy? , but he refuted that with some meta argument, so I'll give him the BotD for that just being the way he plays. Not really anything to say about this. Yes, I did. On July 20 2012 01:16 DropBear wrote:2. His avoidance of voting for tali day 2. He clearly doesn't want to vote for tali, but doesn't give any other options. Not only this he puts in a martyr at the end. On July 17 2012 05:45 Keirathi wrote:Man, missing 90% of the day is frustrating. I'm second guessing everything at this point, and don't have any really strong townie reads. Also I really don't know what I think about tali. There's so many cases against him, and they are all decent, but none of them are damning I think. Maybe enough little things adds up to him being scum, but I remain unconvinced. Almost everything about him is either directly relating to his plan, or relating to things that branched out from his plan. I agree that his plan was really bad and I don't want to support bad play, but like Milton pointed out, he was entirely too invested in it. I don't really see scum as staying that invested into pushing something to intentionally bring attention onto himself. Something about this case and being so little opposition just feels bandwagonny. If I'm wrong, it probably means I get lynched tomorrow because of this post though I didn't give any other options? I posted my thoughts on sciberbia BEFORE i made that post. On July 20 2012 01:16 DropBear wrote:3. So who does he vote? On July 17 2012 06:51 Keirathi wrote:
Bleh catch 22. Have to vote but I don't particularly feel good about the tali lynch. I don't think its impossible that he is scum, but I'm decently positive he's not.
I don't really think Drop or s0lstice are great cases either. So who the eff to vote for. My gut read on a throwaway vote, or the popular read with no conviction?! Who does he vote? sciberbia, the first person to make a case against tali. I mentioned I was out of town. I get back to the thread with 7 votes on my teamate (if we're assuming that I'm scum here). Why wouldn't I just hop on the wagon? Why would I go after the person attacking him? I mean, there was no way scib was going to get lynched at that point. So what would be the benefit for me as scum to even make a case or vote him? On July 20 2012 01:16 DropBear wrote:4. Next he jumps rapidly onto the gonzaw bandwagon. Sole reasoning here. On July 18 2012 08:09 Keirathi wrote:
##vote: gonzaw Note that a lack of explanation behind a vote was a key reason he voted for me on day 1, this is a double standard. What can I say? I think hopping on someone for no reason is dumb. I obviously thought gonzaw was a red check from the cop. He keeps saying that that was never his intent, but thats what I thought when I read his claim post. On July 20 2012 01:16 DropBear wrote:5. Lastly his ragequit. If he was actually a townie, he's arguing for a deliberate mislynch here. On July 18 2012 16:48 Keirathi wrote:On July 18 2012 16:46 Risen wrote:
It's hilarious how scummy keirathi's posting is. (i guess I'm the only one seeing it though since you have to take my being a cop as true to see it that way)
And maybe strongandbig sees it. Then fucking lynch me today so you can get past your tunnel vision that you had with Vivax and maybe make an actual good read. I'm serious, as much as I don't want us to lynch a townie today, I would rather Risen not be biased and tunneling me and not trying to find the real scum. ##Vote: Keirathi He mentions the real scum a lot, but his lynch plan was the same as mine, lynch Risen to confirm two townies. No scumhunting there. Also, I have only seen a ragequit like this once before; ilovejonn in mafia 39 who was scum and was backed into a corner so this is what he did. ##Unvote
##Vote Keirathi You are right, I was arguing for a deliberate mislynch. Because I didn't (and maybe now still) believe that the whole Risen vs me situation isn't going to resolve until one of us dies. And, despite Risen constantly saying otherwise, I think the mafia will do whatever they can to keep him alive for absolutely as long as possible. Nice try, but in this post Keir pretty much tells us he knows scum has a role blocker (how could he know this? He's scum)
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For those that can't catch it. Keir pretty much just outed himself bc he's claiming I'll be rb'd every night and scum will keep me alive. How could he know scum had a rb unless he was scum? Surely he's not implying that scum would just let a cop stay alive with free checks every night. The dude is scum and scib's defense of him is sketch as fuck
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What? I fail to see where I said that.
I assume you mean "And, despite Risen constantly saying otherwise, I think the mafia will do whatever they can to keep him alive for absolutely as long as possible."
They could have a framer too. You've already made abundantly clear who you plan to investigate if I get lynched today.
Also, if gonzaw is town, they could just leave you alive anyways, but that would leave 2 confirmed townies in the day of 5 so I doubt that.
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Basically what I'm saying is that if they DO have a roleblocker, they have no reason to ever kill you. If they have a framer, they don't have much reason to kill you tonight unless gonzaw is scum since you already made it clear you plan to investigate him when I die.
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On July 20 2012 02:31 Keirathi wrote:
Basically what I'm saying is that if they DO have a roleblocker, they have no reason to ever kill you. If they have a framer, they don't have much reason to kill you tonight unless gonzaw is scum since you already made it clear you plan to investigate him when I die.
Lol wtf is this? If you're town you're doing a horrible job defending yourself. If they have rb I claim rb'd and get lynched tomorrow to confirm. If they have framer he better do a good job of guessing bc a smart cop will place his investigations where they aren't expected when there's a possible framer. Night one I almost literally threw a dart at a board of people to determine my check. If there is a framer and they want to let me live he and I will be doing the dance of wifom.
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