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On July 17 2012 11:04 Mattchew wrote: I just read Risen's entire filter, and couldn't find any inconsistencies or holes in logic. Even his read on me I can't really argue with. I haven't been as active as I should this game and while I don't think I have tried to fly under the radar, I could see where one may draw that conclusion. His reads are constantly evolving and changing more WAY more than when I played with him as scum, and he basically started and got Vivax lynched. While I didn't agree with the lynch + Show Spoiler + This leads me to my next scum candidate. Gonzaw. I was waiting to push this until Talis flipped because A. I wanted to see if he was scum and B. I wanted to keep the conversation on Talis. I will make my case before deadline tomorrow. I have a lot of it mapped out in my head just not written down yet and I want to keep up with the fast pace of Bureaurcracy Mafia tonight Is this statement still true Mattchew? | ||
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aside from all that, we've been talking about the set-up, NK stuff, the other mason etc....and you don't seem to care that we aren't talking about gonzaw your push on gonzaw feels very, very different from your push on Talis so far. | ||
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the truth though is that I have to think on it more. Your change in behavior has raised my eyebrows, and lends a little credence to the idea of you bussing Talis. | ||
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Listen up town, Mattchew is scum. On July 12 2012 22:39 Mattchew wrote: Strong I feel like the entirety of your posts could easily be made by either town or scum, if this is you trying to establish your alignment you have done a poor job with me. Your post is longwinded and looks to explain your thought process, but we both know that 95% of your posts content has nothing to do with this game at all. Not only that but your early attempt at a read on marv does not even account for his other posts in the thread. And your reasoning for voting him from this game is too, extremely weak. Let's start here. Look at what he tells s&b. Your posts thus far could come from either town or scum i.e. are neutral. He then goes on listing problems with it. -longwinded -off topic -bad read -bad reasoning for vote ...and the conclusion from this is neutral. After listing reasons for finding something suspicious, your end result should be 'I am suspicious of you.' More, who accuses someone of not looking definitively town in their first few posts? Someone who already knows the alignment of the person they are addressing. It wasn't 's&b your first few posts are crap and scummy looking,' it was 's&b you haven't shown me you are town in your first few posts.' Look now at what he did on day 1. This was basically his scum-hunting: On July 13 2012 02:43 Mattchew wrote: Marv I want to disagree with you so bad, but I was wrong about something JUST LIKE this is MTG mafia... hmm I don't like the way sciberbia has been posting... it all seems forced as hell like the way he says He clarifies that he's only saying this cause gonzaw asked, kinda reads to me like hes paranoid about not answering a question in the thread On July 13 2012 07:13 Mattchew wrote: Lets kill talis, Keirathi or scib Talis cause he's proposing anti town plans and then backpeddling super fast Keirathi cause he's posting super carefully, and his reads seem forced scib cause he seems hesitant to post, and he posts this (it was spoilered) as he has not pushed a single read yet This would be a weak day 1 from anybody, but it is especially so from a vet. He leaves his vote on sciberbia and drops off the face of the earth. Compare that now to day 2, where he goes balls to the wall trying to get Talismania lynched. He is sure of himself, he convinces others to get on board. He basically doesn't leave it alone until he gets what he wants: a Talis lynch. Have a look: On July 16 2012 03:10 Mattchew wrote: Drop you should be voting Talis with me, what do you think makes solstice more scummy than Talis? On July 16 2012 05:42 Mattchew wrote: still suspicious, just sure of you, nice scummy deflection btw and risen, do you not agree with my case on Talis? What do you find wrong with it or townie about him On July 16 2012 07:05 Mattchew wrote: I was in a hurry, but I am sick of playing in games and making weekend excuses for not being able post as much as I would like. Read my case on Talis, tell me where I am wrong or vote with me on him. On July 16 2012 07:06 Mattchew wrote: S&B your thoughts on talis? I want him dead This is a mismatch, like he flipped a switch and all of a sudden he is a scum-finding machine. It also reeks again of Mattchew already knowing someone's alignment. Now let's move to after the lynch. On July 17 2012 12:08 Mattchew wrote: Like, no offense to scib, but I would put a lot of the weight on Talis actually getting lynched on me forcing attention onto him. Scib's case was good and all, but would you agree that without me pushing individuals (not just HEY THREAD I MADE A CASE) was the real reason for all the votes on Talis? I wanted to get Talis lynched, something you flipflopped on a lot which I am extremely suspicious of. I think I did a pretty good job of bringing people from "I would lynch x,x, and talis," to actually voting and getting on Talis. But thats enough for patting myself on the back. What is he doing here? Why does he care so much about who is getting the credit for Talis' lynch? What's more, he's justifying it to the person who he is the next most suspicious of after Talis' lynch. Why even bother? Because who is getting the credit directly affects how well Mattchew's bus on Talismania worked. Now let's move on to night2/day2. He is supposedly trying to get Gonzaw lynched. Let's look at him pushing this case: On July 18 2012 13:57 Mattchew wrote: Wait Risen, why dont you think gonzaw is scum anymore? On July 18 2012 14:54 Mattchew wrote: Yeah so we should be lynching Gonzaw, cause hes scum The end. That is, until I called him out on it, then he is all about getting us on-board. This does not match with how he was pushing Talis. The early part of day 2 turned out to be a crucial time for Mattchew if he wanted his target lynched. At the time (earlier today) there was a lot of finger-pointing going on/discussion of things not gonzaw. I summarized it before, but I'll repeat it for shits and giggles. -Dropbear wants to kill Risen -s&b is suspicious of Risen -risen is suspicious of keir -we talk about the NK -we talk about the set-up -we talk about the mason claim We are definitely not focusing on gonzaw at that time. So Mattchew should be seeking to get us on track. But instead he is doing this: On July 19 2012 06:55 Mattchew wrote: Gonzaw you have a seven page filter, mind reposting your accusations against me 'Gonzaw, my #1 scum read, could you please post your suspicions of me again so I can address them?' Doesn't fit. We were half way through day 2, starting to peel away from Mattchew's target, and he is asking his scum read to remake his case against him. Now for some extraneous stuff: -here's him swinging the WIFOM bat around: On July 13 2012 04:55 Mattchew wrote: The moment you think marv is scum, is the moment you should realize hes town. Also, marv and gonz, what do you think of scib On July 13 2012 07:43 Mattchew wrote: So you know that you do this as town, whats to stop you from doing so as scum? Here's some buddying: On July 12 2012 23:57 Mattchew wrote: Marv how fucking buddied up are we right <3 On July 17 2012 13:55 Mattchew wrote: And yeah I probably took too much credit from scib... meh <3 he's my bud now <3 NK shit: I don't care how you want to WIFOM around this, I have a very hard time thinking a scum team would leave Mattchew alone on N2 after he just wtfpwned Talis on day 2. He is a vet and a known good player. There was no N1 RB, so they could be reasonably sure that there was no JK. s&b does this fit with your early game thoughts on Marv? ;D His dealings with Risen: Here is an older read on Risen: On July 17 2012 11:04 Mattchew wrote: I just read Risen's entire filter, and couldn't find any inconsistencies or holes in logic. Even his read on me I can't really argue with. I haven't been as active as I should this game and while I don't think I have tried to fly under the radar, I could see where one may draw that conclusion. His reads are constantly evolving and changing more WAY more than when I played with him as scum, and he basically started and got Vivax lynched. While I didn't agree with the lynch + Show Spoiler + This leads me to my next scum candidate. Gonzaw. I was waiting to push this until Talis flipped because A. I wanted to see if he was scum and B. I wanted to keep the conversation on Talis. I will make my case before deadline tomorrow. I have a lot of it mapped out in my head just not written down yet and I want to keep up with the fast pace of Bureaurcracy Mafia tonight I question him on this. Risen has been making logic holes the size of Jupiter since his claim. On July 19 2012 07:16 Mattchew wrote: Not exactly, because of his gonzaw play which I don't fully understand, but I don't think that changes my read on him in anyway A read, that lead off with the strength of Risen's logic and consistency, is not affected by Risen's recent logic and inconsistency? This really smells scummy. One last thing. Look at his opinion of the current state of the thread when we are talking about anything EXCEPT his top scum read: On July 19 2012 07:18 Mattchew wrote: have we lost focus? I think a very high percentage of posts today are about who people think are scum and who to lynch today He thinks it's good that we are trying to find scum outside of gonzaw, even though he has already found it in gonzaw. So, to sum up: -shitty day 1 scum hunting -extreme pursuit of Talis on day 2... -...which doesn't match at all his pursuit of the gonzaw read -lack of pursuit on his 2nd main scumread -play which exhibits signs of Mattchew knowing people's alignment -very bad logic in his read on Risen -WIFOM batting us all -buddying -being alive after N2 I think Mattchew is scum and I want us to kill him today ##vote Mattchew | ||
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Town, read my case, read Matt's filter, and then vote. Mattchew must die. | ||
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yes I am extremely sure. I read gonzaw as scummy, but Mattchew infinitely more so. I will revisit Gonzaw after Matt's flip. Go through Matt's filter and see how hard it is to get him to talk about Risen. He said he would on day 1, and then didn't. I asked him again, and he wouldn't until after Tali's flip. After Tali's flip, i had to ask him AGAIN. Matt's read on Risen not being affected by Risen's recent play creates a strong linkage for me. Like I said though, today we kill Mattchew. | ||
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ladies and gentlemen, your scum team! | ||
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I hope to see lots of matt votes when I wake up | ||
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I'm not letting this go, my case against Mattchew is here. Read it. sciberbia-- your suspicions of me are blinding you the the merit of my arguments here. The thing that should stand out the most is how different Mattchew has looked while trying to get Talis killed, and while trying to get gonzaw killed. With Talis, he built up this huge head of steam, asked us as individuals to get on his case...basically forced it through however he could. Compare that with gonzaw. He posts a case, then while it lingers and we aren't talking about it, he spends his time asking his #1 scum read to remake his case against him. He was barely trying to push this read when it REALLY needed to be pushed. This is really important, it's strong evidence that Talis was a bus. s&b-- have you read my case? I want you to vote Mattchew. Go through his filter with a mind for both scum and town motivation. Remember he busses teammates a as scum. Look and tell me what he has done to help town win this game. gonzaw-- are you on board here? I know you suspect Mattchew, I need to check but I think that is where your vote lies currently? I hope you stay on target here Milton-- same deal. I want to know what you think of my case. Keir-- You have been suspicious of Mattchew before. Does my case align with your thoughts on him? I want your vote. | ||
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You say Matt is terrible at posting cases and getting people to follow them....what about in the case where a townie is directly working with him to forward his interests? If sciberbia hadn't said anything against Talis, would this fit your idea of him not getting lynches as scum? Would we have lynched Talis without sciberbia's effort? Also, I'm going to correct you. It's the difference in his play between day 2 and day 3. Day 2- he's all over Talis, drives it ahead as best as he can....Day 3- after posting a case on gonzaw night 2, there is basically no push. He doesn't seem to mind that we are trying to find scum outside of gonzaw, when his top read was gonzaw. In fact he labels is a positive. On day 2, he told people they should be finding Talis scummier than their current read. He asked us as individuals to switch to his read. And like I said, when he should be pushing his case, when it must must MUST be pushed, he's wanting to defend himsel from his top scum read. I don't really know how else to spell this out. Please reconsider s&b | ||
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