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GG marv
+ Show Spoiler [Speculation, ignore this if you want] +Hmm...okay there have been 2 VT's flipped, and we could (not definitive) claim that there is no SK.
Taking the C9++ thing into account, if there are 2 more VTs (the T's in the setup) it's likely there are only 2 scum in this game.
I doubt ALL VTs were the ones that already flipped, I guess its likely there are 2 more.
I.E it's likely there are only 2 scum and no SK
talismania, do you have anything to say about what I said about you earlier?
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On July 15 2012 07:56 sciberbia wrote:
@gonzaw
I don't think you understand how C9++ works
From what I understand, there can be as many as 7 VT's and still have 3 mafia and no SK.
I think I got it wrong and it was 4 more VTs rather than 2 VTs so ignore that.
Actually fuck I derped with that as well disregard it.
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Okay this is going nowhere and I really need some people to come and do shit.
@solstice: Apart from Risen and Milton from yesterday what are your opinions on other players you may find scummy? Anything changed since then? What about Risen's aggressivity and high activity? (if you can read my posts these last few pages about my thoughts on Risen and comment on him taking that into account).
What are your thoughts on S&B and talis?
@talis:
On July 15 2012 07:53 talismania wrote:
yeah for sure
I think you were wrong about one thing - I did comment on your setup posts in my big impressions post. The rest I kinda agree with. I honestly felt great about dropbear for the reasons I posted and because I smelled a bandwagon on me forming. Then milton and austin jumped off far too fast and I felt rather unsure of what was happening. Marv tempted me to jump off on austin but I felt like the majority would be easier on dropbear. At the same time risen took his chains off and went crazy. I liked the story he told with his case on vivax but none of that fit with my read on dropbear.
So what now? What will you do now? Will you still go against Dropbear? Do you have any thoughts on someone else that could be scum?
I expect some serious explanation from Mattchew. Like, I thought he was town but what you did made no fucking sense I'm contemplating lynching you just because of it (specially since you went AFK all night just to make a stupid drunk post as well).
I'm wary of Dropbear as well, but I don't really know what to think of him. His vote on Vivax was very bad, and him considering MIlton as almost confirmed town as well.
Hmm, but like some people (I think marv) said, the "in-your-face" attitude of his may not correspond to him being scum, and his vote on Vivax and him disappearing may mean derp town.
However it's still worrying how long he has been without contributing (since like half of D1 or something).
Keirathi, you too. I started to get a town feeling off you because of some little things you did, but this intermittent "ask guys stuff but not do anything myself" thing you are doing ever since late D1 doesn't convince me at all.
I'd like people to come in and state what they want this D2 (i.e who they want to lynch, which player they want more info from, stuff like that). If not we'll be like last day where it was 5 hours before the deadline and nobody had any idea of what to do.
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On July 15 2012 14:48 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 12:16 gonzaw wrote:
I get the feeling Keirath is more likely scum.
Like Matt said his reads seemed "forced", in the way that they weren't much reads at all. At least S&B's read, where Kei calls him suspicious but townie at the same time (and calls him suspicious for some bad reasons I think).
He seems fixated on "meta" somehow, thinking all of us are using "meta" to catch scum (we are not).
His defense of Milkton seemed out of place as well (like it came out of nowhere and he defended him just because of "meta" again, hell I don't even know why he's defending him).
Like said before his posts are too verbose, but trying to blend in IMO. He also spends quite time just defending himself which I don't particularly like (he could have been pushing for other reads at that time).
Let's go with this, but I'd be happy with a switch on Dropbear to be honest (hmm, I think S&B could be scum as well, but I'll wait till he comes back)
##Unvote: austinmcc
##Vote: Keirath Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 02:49 gonzaw wrote:
I agree with marv that Keirath has not been involved in anything since a long time. I did notice some "townie" stuff he might have done (calling Dropbear out for calling him town, coming out of nowhere to defend Milton); but I get a more "noob scum" feel from the rest of his post (differently than other players like solstice for instance, where I get a "noob town" feel from their post but may have done some little "scummy" stuff), so I don't really take those into account.
Hmm, I think I'll keep my vote on Keirath for now, him doing nothing since posting those reads like a day ago doesn't convince me to unvote him.
@gonzaw I just noticed this contradiction while reading through filters. Keirathi's defense of Milton was originally a scummy point in your eyes but suddenly changed to a townie point. There was no other discussion of Keirathi's defense of Milton in between your two posts. Care to explain the contradiction?
I guess the easiest way to explain that is a little bit of confirmation bias (in both ways, whether when I thought he was scum or whether when I thought he was town, or I started to doubt him being scum)
The hardest way to explain it is by having it be a "null tell, one that could be done by both scum and town" and me thinking one or the other when reading him.
To be honest, when I see that kind of "townie stuff" I try to see if it would be an "absurd play" as scum, and if it was (or wasn't) whether it could push a scum agenda or not.
That thing Keirathi did was "slightly" an "absurd play" if he was scum (but not that much), but I struggled to think of scum motivation behind it (besides other "absurd plays" other scum do in other games, like uber bussing or "Risen's LIII play", etc) since it may have not been that obvious, but I guess it's not that alignment telling (though kind of odd anyways).
Fuck, sorry for the above fluff 
Yeah I'm a little drunk
(OMG, DOES THAT MEAN I'M TOWN? YES THAT FUCKING HEURISTIC WORKS!!!? YAY!!)
(Actually no I could have posted drunk as scum as well so IGNORE IT.
Stay Pro-town Liquidia)
Yo S&B before doing anything I'd like to see what you think about solstice here accusing you, and what you think of said accusation.
Also be less of a derp and "ffffurfurfrustrated fuck" and be more chill if not I won't be able to read you.
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Just woke up, and it's Fathers Day here so I'll be gone for a couple of hours.
This is a fucking disgrace Mattchew, where the fuck are you?
Same to Dropbear really.
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Okay got back.
Skimming the thread, I got a weird feeling of solstice going against S&B, but that's maybe because I got a change of mind about S&B and wanted to give him a little break.
I see Mattchew just came right off the bat with a case and a vote...and I don't know if I like that (I didn't see him explaining wtf he did last day).
Anyways, gonna sort some stuff here in my house, do stuff for the other mafia game I'm playing, and get back here.
Dunno about talis yet, I'm having some difficulty trying to figure out the whole tails/Dropbear/solstice situation; but I'll make sure to read on that.
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On July 16 2012 06:33 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 06:28 gonzaw wrote:
Okay got back.
Skimming the thread, I got a weird feeling of solstice going against S&B, but that's maybe because I got a change of mind about S&B and wanted to give him a little break.
I see Mattchew just came right off the bat with a case and a vote...and I don't know if I like that (I didn't see him explaining wtf he did last day).
Anyways, gonna sort some stuff here in my house, do stuff for the other mafia game I'm playing, and get back here.
Dunno about talis yet, I'm having some difficulty trying to figure out the whole tails/Dropbear/solstice situation; but I'll make sure to read on that. No explaination, wasn't around
Yes you were, don't lie:
On July 14 2012 04:57 Mattchew wrote:
how much time till lynch
On July 14 2012 04:58 Mattchew wrote:
and can we get a vote count?
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On July 16 2012 06:45 Mattchew wrote:
So I couldn't have left 2 hours before the lynch? I wasn't voting Vivax, and my questions werent answered before I had left.
Not without explaining why you kept your vote on sciberbia (if you knew you weren't going to be back before the deadline) ro explaining anything at all or if you still thought sciberbia was scum.
Or anything at all basically. People not giving you an exact vote count isn't an excuse to waste your vote, leave the thread and come back 24 hours later without giving a shit about the lynch.
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On July 16 2012 06:48 sciberbia wrote:
"Heh heh heh. Town is trying to lynch one of us three scum: mattchew, talis, and gonzaw. How can I throw them off track? Oh I know! I'll leave my vote on sciberbia and mysteriously dissapear. Without my vote, there is no way they'll get a scum. Heh heh heh. I am the brilliant scum mastermind, Mattchew. And there's no way anyone will find my disapearence suspicious"
It's just ridiculous. His disappearing is a busytell, not a scumtell. If Mattchew was scum, how hard would it have been to just hang around and sheep marv's vote? Not that hard. Being around for the lynch but not doing anything (i.e. talis) is more suspicious than not being there at all.
Mattchew did very similar stuff in MTG. He went AFK for the WHOLE D1 and he didn't give a fuck about being called out.
Him being afk itself isn't worrying, it's worrying when it's obvious he doesn't give a shit about anything and isn't even trying to explain himself about his inactivity and lack of effort.
I'm torn because his earlier posts did seem townie, but that behaviour of his strikes some doubt (specially if it wasn't for some outside reason, like getting his internet connection cut or something).
I'll try to drop the subject before reading this thread and his case on talis; but this is basically exclusive since it's about his earlier behaviour.
gonzaw telling our vig to shoot Mattchew over this is one of the reasons I'm suspicious of gonzaw
That was marv
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On July 16 2012 06:55 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 06:49 gonzaw wrote:On July 16 2012 06:45 Mattchew wrote:
So I couldn't have left 2 hours before the lynch? I wasn't voting Vivax, and my questions werent answered before I had left. Not without explaining why you kept your vote on sciberbia (if you knew you weren't going to be back before the deadline) ro explaining anything at all or if you still thought sciberbia was scum. Or anything at all basically. People not giving you an exact vote count isn't an excuse to waste your vote, leave the thread and come back 24 hours later without giving a shit about the lynch. I had given my opinion on Vivax, because I wasn't confident in it doesn't mean I was ever going to vote to lynch him. So I left my opinions and my vote as they were
Vivax wasn't the 100% sure lynch at that point. Dropbear already had votes, and to be honest you could have voted for someone else like austin, Keriathi, etc since they had votes as well.
What made you keep your vote on sciberbia and not even consider changing it? What made you not even discuss about it? Or were you in too much of a hurry to explain stuff? If so you could have mentioned you were in a hurry before so we'd avoid this whole mess
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On July 16 2012 07:01 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 06:53 gonzaw wrote:On July 16 2012 06:48 sciberbia wrote:
"Heh heh heh. Town is trying to lynch one of us three scum: mattchew, talis, and gonzaw. How can I throw them off track? Oh I know! I'll leave my vote on sciberbia and mysteriously dissapear. Without my vote, there is no way they'll get a scum. Heh heh heh. I am the brilliant scum mastermind, Mattchew. And there's no way anyone will find my disapearence suspicious"
It's just ridiculous. His disappearing is a busytell, not a scumtell. If Mattchew was scum, how hard would it have been to just hang around and sheep marv's vote? Not that hard. Being around for the lynch but not doing anything (i.e. talis) is more suspicious than not being there at all. Mattchew did very similar stuff in MTG. He went AFK for the WHOLE D1 and he didn't give a fuck about being called out. Him being afk itself isn't worrying, it's worrying when it's obvious he doesn't give a shit about anything and isn't even trying to explain himself about his inactivity and lack of effort. I'm torn because his earlier posts did seem townie, but that behaviour of his strikes some doubt (specially if it wasn't for some outside reason, like getting his internet connection cut or something). I'll try to drop the subject before reading this thread and his case on talis; but this is basically exclusive since it's about his earlier behaviour. gonzaw telling our vig to shoot Mattchew over this is one of the reasons I'm suspicious of gonzaw That was marv Gonzaw do you really not see the difference between how mattchew is posting this game and how he posted in mtg? I'm like 75 percent sure mattchew is town right now.
I'm talking about the action itself and how it isn't a "town tell" coming from Mattchew.
I said I'm reading the thread later (I'm not actually seriously accusing him right now, at least not before reading his other posts), I just want a (justified) explanation for that previous behaviour of his (you can't tell me it wasn't odd as fuck, everybody noticed it).
I already talked about his posting before his "derp", although I skimmed his posts afterwards (from this D2) and they aren't that "townie" as his first ones.
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On July 16 2012 07:03 sciberbia wrote:
@gonzaw
Don't you think Mattchew expected to get some serious flak for disappearing?
If he was scum and did it on purpose yes (if he's town then he obviously didn't think about it).
I just don't get why scum Mattchew would intentionally draw suspicion to himself unless he had a legit reason for vanishing.
I guess you don't know scum Mattchew and what he's capable of. Some scum don't give a shit about slight "WIFOMy" suspicion on themselves if they can get it away easily later or shift attention elsewhere and keep doing what they do. Risen, Mattchew, Palmar, Ace, etc are some players that tend to act like that as scum every once and then
Hence why I think it's just a busytell and not alignment indicative.
I don't know if its a busytell if I don't get a reasonable explanation for it. He WAS active when he made those posts, and there were lots of discussion going on about Vivax, Dropbear, Keirathi, solstice, etc. At that point in time (if he didn't just come, post and immediately leave) there were tons of things he could have done to help town, keeping his vote on sciberbia and not explaining anything isn't part of that.
Unless he was in such a hurry he only had time to post and not read the thread at all (and he still believed sciberbia was scum); then it's not a "busytell" and it's odd as fuck.
Him not explaining himself at all until I JUST asked him to is odd as fuck as well.
(damn, I see this is taking quite a detour in town discussion. Matt please explain EVERYTHING that went through your mind at that time and what you did (i.e what activity you had, if you were actually reading the thread or just posted and left, etc) so we can get this over with)
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Okay I finished my stuff in the other game, I'll start on this one.
What fucking difference does it make whether or not he explains himself? If we think he's town it doesn't matter and if we think he's scum we can't believe him anyway. He disappeared; that's scummy or it's not. But stop obsessing over it.
If he's town he has an alibi and a justification for it, I want it.
Why? Because what he did was very scummy, it was (I've already stated why).
I'm not calling him straight up scum since his earlier posting made me think he was town, but if he tries to avoid this issue I won't know what to think of it, you can't just ignore what Matt did (specially considering he made that "drunk" post later and disappeared again).
Hmm, I'll reread the cases but first I have some questions to solstice and austin:
@solstice: Could you give examples of this?:
On July 15 2012 15:17 s0Lstice wrote:
He was just in a game with risen where he flipped town, and exhibited the exact same behaviors he is finding scummy here. I know that he knows that Risen likes to throw out whole scumteams as town, and rely on connections between scum teammates.
Finding him suspicious for those reasons this game makes me think he is scum.
Do you have proof that S&B would know Risen acts like that as town?
Speaking of which, I guess this means you think Risen is town then? Weren't you suspicious of Risen before?
You even voted him last day and said he "had a high chance of flipping scum" (or something like that).
Does this thing you posted (Risen likes to make connections and whole scumteams, implying he's playing here just like he's playing when he was town) mean you changed your mind about him?
@austin:
I'm getting a town feel off you, but some people pointed this out and I can't help but feel it's weird:
On July 14 2012 05:29 austinmcc wrote:
Torn on Keirathi. He's got some townie-looking posts, but they come only after he was pressured for being too neutral and guarded. Once he posts them, he's mostly checked out. Wishing there was more to work with here. (He posted as I was writing this, need to look back over)
Vivax looks scummy in his hopping around, all the meta nometa crap. But Vivax ALWAYS looks scummy to me. I mislynched him in newbie XVI, I found him scummy in LVI (alignment unknown as of yet), and so I don't really want to vote him D1. To me, he's an easy mislynch to push if I'm scum. He's so wrapped up in this person's meta or that person's meta that the scum team should be telling him to knock it off, right? There were plenty of other options for today's lynch, we had so many scattered votes at the start of the day. So why let him keep hanging himself? Don't like it.
marv and solstice, how are you seeing Vivax right now?
Risen still doesn't look great either. He comes back with a full scum team, an alternate scum in Gonzaw, and finds my finding him townie scummy. No activity --> 5 scum reads, with only a little reasoning backing that up. And now he tunnels Vivax, who again I always seem to find scummy and could see myself trying to mislynch if I were scum.
At the moment, I'm willing to consolidate onto Vivax or Risen if needed, but probably not Keirathi in light of his most recent response(s).
For now, my vote's going on solstice. Something really bugs me about him finding my early game to match my townie play. Yes, the length is always there, but my early posts were a mess. Gonzaw's right about that, marv is right that they look off. I wasn't pressured at all really in my newbie games, barring XIII which was just an odd game to play in. I think my response to a little pressure here was way off, because while I normally post lengthy, it's not so disorganized and jumbled. Concerned that he didn't pick up on that. That little thing keeps nagging at me enough that I'm willing to vote him.
##Vote: Solstice
What exactly went through your mind when you made this post? Did you really think Vivax or Risen were scummy?
You posted reasons why Vivax could be an "easy misslynch scum would push", but you said you'd consolidate on him, and hell you actually did later (you did change your vote on Vivax later):
On July 14 2012 06:47 austinmcc wrote:
I said I'd consolidate on Vivax or Risen, and I will.
##Unvote
##Vote: Vivax
Two things basically:
1)What exactly had Risen and Vivax have to do with your vote choice here? Did you really think solstice was more likely scum? Why did you choose to vote him over those 2?
2)What made you vote Vivax later and not talk about it? You didn't explain anything about it, even though you actually posted some reasons not to vote Vivax. After that you never mentioned Vivax or your vote on him again. Why exactly was that?
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(ehmm, I didn't really read the whole thread by that point and I skimmed solstice other post and I may have missed something though, so if I did I'm sorry I didn't read the whole thread before doing that).
@solstice: I wrote A LOT of shit about S&B, what do you think of it? (specially what I wrote about him last night)
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Basically what I mean is this:
1)I wrote a lot of shit about why I initially thought S&B was scummy: Here, and here.
2)I then wrote a lot of shit about why I think he could have posted those as "frustrated townie", which made me back off attacking him: Here, and here.
What are your thoughts on both issues? You seemed to ignore them in your read of S&B and instead focused on his read on marv/Risen and few stuff.
I also want to know if it affects your read on him or not, and why.
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On July 16 2012 04:44 Risen wrote:
Going to lunch with my mentee, going to the store, then I'll be back. I'll go through and rebuild everything with Viv as a townie in mind (still... STILL hurts me on the inside that he was town and I could be so wrong. I have never felt so certain of someone being scum)
Are you here now? (I think 4 hours is enough to lunch+go to the store).
I really really want you to do something Risen, this "Oh no Vivax was town my life is over!" attitude of yours doesn't help (I actually find it a little weird Vivax's flip affected you so much).
Like it may be too convenient if you are scum:
1)Tunnel the hell out of Vivax, post shit, sought chaos, accuse everybody that defends Vivax and just have fun disrupting the hell out of D1 all you want
2)Once Vivax flips town, be "demoralized" and "lack confidence" so you are justified in not doing shit for the rest of the game (or at least D2) and you are free to lurk all you want
I know you can do that as scum Risen (some reasons I already posted here and here), so please forget about Vivax and put more effort
If you are here reading the thread/filters, please post now so we know you are doing so (so we can hold you accountable that you will be posting soon).
I don't want you away until way too late into the day, in case you are scum.
@solstice: Please read what I posted about S&B (I think it may have described S&B's behavior quite well).
I'll be waiting for your thoughts on it (I really want to see the impact it has on you and your read on S&B, and your reaction to it).
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On July 16 2012 09:02 sciberbia wrote:
@gonzaw
I'll post my thoughts on s&b next. Please post your most current thoughts on talis.
I found him initially suspicious last night, and so far I didn't see anything that would change my mind from him when I skimmed the thread.
But damn I still haven't finished reading the thread in its whole :/ (still haven't reached most of the cases done this day)
Too little time to do everything.
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On July 16 2012 09:42 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 09:19 gonzaw wrote:On July 16 2012 09:02 sciberbia wrote:
@gonzaw
I'll post my thoughts on s&b next. Please post your most current thoughts on talis. I found him initially suspicious last night, and so far I didn't see anything that would change my mind from him when I skimmed the thread. But damn I still haven't finished reading the thread in its whole :/ (still haven't reached most of the cases done this day) Too little time to do everything. You look extremely dodgy right now with matters involving the actual lynch and scum hunting today
I haven't read the entire thread and I'm having doubts about some people.
Some, like solstice, I want to see how he reacts about that S&B thing I mentioned to see if their reaction is legit or not.
Same with austin, and Risen.
I haven't looked too much into talis/Dropbear since I haven't gotten to the cases against them (the ones on this D2), so I haven't updated my thoughts on them yet.
What do you mean by "dodgy" though?
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Okay, I've been rereading some stuff and I drop my suspicion of austin, I just can't see him as scum at the moment.
Some of that stuff you guys (sciberbia && austin) said makes sense. Plus what I said last night (that S&B's actions did make sense with him being overly frustrated at me, plus his suspicion of solstice and shit) it's likely he's town.
Okay, 2 conundrums resolved, now onto talismania/Dropbear/solstice/Mattchew/Risen/Keirathi
Just by gut feeling without reading those cases (again, sorry really don't have the time, I'm putting lots of effort in that other mafia game....hey if you guys want you can check it out if I link it to you, you can learn one thing or two  ) I get the feeling the scum are there and nowhere else.
I haven't checked Milton too much, but I get a feeling he's town, specially because of his stance on talis which he changed after people pointed out how "bad" it was (in the sense that he was only talking about meta).
His case on Dropbear seems legit, since I can't really see him heavily accusing someone that considers him almost confirmed town as scum.
So by process of elimination (sciberbia, S&B, austin, Milton), it leaves those 6, with 3-4 anti town factions (scum+SK), so I think this day will be a good one.
About Keirathi:
I get the feeling Keirathi is town but I'm not that sure, I wouldn't mind leaving him for later.
Basically, some of what I said earlier applies, in the sense that he didn't really try to scumhunt until being called out (by marv), and those reads seemed pretty bad (specially the one on S&B). After that he spent most of his time defending himself and not really trying to scumhunt. Plus since N1 and D2 I didn't see him do anything constructive at all (hell did he even post in D2?).
His defense of Vivax could have given him town points...but I'm not sure (scum opposing a town misslynch on D1 isn't uncommon at all).
There are little things that make me think he's town (I've explained them already I think), and tiny bits of reaction he made that I don't really see him making as scum. However those reactions were basically the only thing in his filter at some points, and there was very little scumhunting in between.
Now that I look at the tone of his posts it seems townie too me though (gut feeling) so maybe he's likely town
I just noticed this:
On July 16 2012 08:46 Keirathi wrote:
Sorry, I had to make an emergency trip out of town. Posting from my phone now, but I should have access to a computer later tonight so that I can catch up and post some ideas.
So I guess that's the reason he wasn't active.
Hmm, I'm slightly leaning town but I'm not that sure. Just like Risen I need him to actually do something today to solidify my read on him
I already discussed Risen (I'm waiting for him to come back), and I'll discuss Mattchew a little bit:
About Mattchew:
On July 12 2012 10:44 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 10:38 Risen wrote:On July 12 2012 10:34 gonzaw wrote:On July 12 2012 10:00 gonzaw wrote:On July 12 2012 09:49 Risen wrote:
Any particular reason you're trying to push something on people with a low post count in thread so early? Didn't even know lurking was possible at this point. So you're either an extremely eager townie or scum looking for easy targets to push early. Thank you captain obvious. Instead of posting tautologies, do you have an opinion on said subject? (i.e do you think I'm extremely eager townie or do you think I'm scum looking for easy targets to push?) In hindsight this came out more aggressive than I meant it :/ It's cool. It's nothing compared to what I handled from igrok my last game. Anywho, I was just pointing out I found it odd you would try and push people onto "lurkers" so early on. I don't think anything about you. There's nothing to go on right now. I don't think that post was in your favor, though. He wasn't pushing lurkers he was pushing people that posted that sounded excited to participate and post and then didn't.
On July 12 2012 10:46 Mattchew wrote:
Also, talis has the worst plan ever with his 3 people thing. That just allows people to half ass push some stupid reads and then connections theories run wild and everything turns to shit
I like these since they are concise and give good info. Talis plan was bad and he immediately pointed out without dragging it on. He pointed out the "root" of my accusation and basically agreed with it, even though he was one of the guys I accused (and I mentioned before I wouldn't really expect this from scum Matt, I thought he'd either ignore it or shit on it).
His next posts are good as well, I like how he's not shitting on me and reads me okay by that point (that might be a little biased though ).
He does make contributions that are indeed "concise" and improve town's atmosphere. He even goes to great length to defend Vivax from marv even before the Vivax wagon started. As well as his read on S&B.
So far (assuming S&B is town) that would be a VERY passive game for Mattchew to make as scum, in the sense that he doesn't start shitting and accusing townies left and right, but actually making sense and getting those townies to be recognized as such.
His later posts don't really seem the same way (trying to improve town), yet seem more like slightly irrelevant one-liners. Him defending Dropbear and me does seem townie though.
However, after that he makes his blunder, where he posts asking for the vote count, but doesn't do shit and keeps his vote on sciberbia.
I found this extremely scummy because he WAS active then and as a townie would have cared more about the lynch (and his vote), yet he didn't seem to care.
I find it odd as well how now Mattchew seems to avoid that issue and not give me an explanation at all (was he really busy and in a hurry or was he lurking the thread at that point?) that could completely remove my suspicion on him (well not "completely" but I would disregard it).
I don't like this drunk post at all:
On July 14 2012 14:18 Mattchew wrote:
Hey guys I'm. Little drunk right nowzzzz but I want to lynch Gonzaw tlmmore cause his shoot is so lo g but bad and he acts likes it good... Off he thinks vivid I'd scum he's dumber than anywenbeebebe
Since I don't know wtf he's saying and why he thinks I'm scum.
On July 15 2012 02:02 Mattchew wrote:
Wow I guess drunk me doesn't like reading
Here he posts sober but fails to explain his behaviour last day, even though he should have read that me+marv+others found it suspicious as fuck.
From then he seemed less interested in improving town's atmosphere than early-D1. He didn't explain himself at all, and throughout all N1 didn't do shit.
I may agree with his case on talis (need to filter talis first), but after that he doesn't really do a good job of explaining himself (about his behaviour or why he thinks I'm scum).
I don't like how he's casting suspicion on me right now either, yet refuses to say anything about me or why he changed his town read on me.
However, I could see town Mattchew just not caring about his D1 fluke and thinking I'm shitting up the thread about it (thus making him a little bit more suspicious of me), but those reasons above don't make me confident in thinking he's town at all, specially since I know Mattchew is capable of doing that "fluke" as scum just to skate by D1, whether other people find it scummy or not (he wouldn't really care as scum).
This is why I'm torn on him, and why I wanted that explanation from him.
I would also like an explanation on what he thinks of sciberbia ever since early-D1 and why he changed his mind on me (him not responding these strike me as suspicious as well, since again I can easily see scum Mattchew just not caring about it at this point).
He had a good start that made me think he was town but some of his actions and behaviour made me doubt that (since scum Matthew could have just tried to appear pro-town on early-D1 like that)
Holy shit that was long.
Anyways, I do feel solstice+talismania are scum, and well didn't really read on Dropbear yet (or these new cases) so I'll do it shortly.
I don't really know how to decipher the talis/Dropbear situation (if one is scum, or both are scum, etc), but I'll give it a try.
For now I wouldn't oppose a talismania lynch at all by what I've skimmed (plus talismania has basically been useless all late-D1, and all D2 as well).
I don't know if maybe I'd support a solstice lynch better, or if I change my mind and find Dropbear more scummy, but we'll see once I read the thread once and for all!
Stay tuned.
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Fuck it I doubt I'll change my mind about talismania.
##Vote: talismania
Just wanted to get the vote out there for a more "official" standing of what I said before.
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