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On July 19 2012 23:39 strongandbig wrote: Hmm. That is true.
What is the case on risen? My reasons for being suspicious of him are mostly that he let everyone think he had a scum investigation on Gonzaw and that Gonzaw was his top scum read, which was apparently a lie.
However I'm not willing to lynch him for that yet.
The fuck? It should be a requirement that people have 3rd grade reading comprehension when playing mafia. How about you go reread what I said then come back here and say I misled people.
I ever, NEVER gave any indication of a red check on Gonzaw
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On July 20 2012 01:16 DropBear wrote:Ok I'm moving on from Risen, I want to lynch Keirathi. There are five main points against him for mine. 1. Firstly, he backs up and sheeps tali's case against me on day 2. Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 05:15 Keirathi wrote:DropBearAlong with tali, I feel like he was been entirely overaggressive and disruptive with thinks like + Show Spoiler +On July 13 2012 02:58 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 02:20 talismania wrote:On July 13 2012 02:00 DropBear wrote: ##Vote Vivax the hell? any reasons beyond what marv said? I called him out as being suss last page, do you read boy? , but he refuted that with some meta argument, so I'll give him the BotD for that just being the way he plays. 2. His avoidance of voting for tali day 2. He clearly doesn't want to vote for tali, but doesn't give any other options. Not only this he puts in a martyr at the end. Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 05:45 Keirathi wrote:Man, missing 90% of the day is frustrating. I'm second guessing everything at this point, and don't have any really strong townie reads. Also I really don't know what I think about tali. There's so many cases against him, and they are all decent, but none of them are damning I think. Maybe enough little things adds up to him being scum, but I remain unconvinced. Almost everything about him is either directly relating to his plan, or relating to things that branched out from his plan. I agree that his plan was really bad and I don't want to support bad play, but like Milton pointed out, he was entirely too invested in it. I don't really see scum as staying that invested into pushing something to intentionally bring attention onto himself. Something about this case and being so little opposition just feels bandwagonny. If I'm wrong, it probably means I get lynched tomorrow because of this post though  3. So who does he vote? Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 06:51 Keirathi wrote: Bleh catch 22. Have to vote but I don't particularly feel good about the tali lynch. I don't think its impossible that he is scum, but I'm decently positive he's not.
I don't really think Drop or s0lstice are great cases either. So who the eff to vote for. My gut read on a throwaway vote, or the popular read with no conviction?! Who does he vote? sciberbia, the first person to make a case against tali. 4. Next he jumps rapidly onto the gonzaw bandwagon. Sole reasoning here. Note that a lack of explanation behind a vote was a key reason he voted for me on day 1, this is a double standard. 5. Lastly his ragequit. If he was actually a townie, he's arguing for a deliberate mislynch here. Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 16:48 Keirathi wrote:On July 18 2012 16:46 Risen wrote: It's hilarious how scummy keirathi's posting is. (i guess I'm the only one seeing it though since you have to take my being a cop as true to see it that way)
And maybe strongandbig sees it. Then fucking lynch me today so you can get past your tunnel vision that you had with Vivax and maybe make an actual good read. I'm serious, as much as I don't want us to lynch a townie today, I would rather Risen not be biased and tunneling me and not trying to find the real scum. ##Vote: Keirathi He mentions the real scum a lot, but his lynch plan was the same as mine, lynch Risen to confirm two townies. No scumhunting there. Also, I have only seen a ragequit like this once before; ilovejonn in mafia 39 who was scum and was backed into a corner so this is what he did. ##Unvote
##Vote Keirathi
Dropbear cleared in my mind. Long hair don't care let's get this man lynched!
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Choo! Choo! Chugga, chugga, chugga, chugga.
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Ebwop: just read your sig and I'm dying laughing right now strongandbig
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On July 20 2012 02:01 strongandbig wrote: so the deadline is in ~5 hours, we should be thinking about consolidation.
I would be willing to vote for, from most preferred to least, the following people:
- Keirathi - Gonzaw - Milton or DropBear
I think Matt and Sci are town, and for the moment I'm accepting Risen's claim at least until we see the flip and NK. If keir flips green what is your plan? I think I have something posted somewhere.
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On July 20 2012 02:02 sciberbia wrote: Guys I really don't think keirathi is a good lynch. Read his filter back to front. There really isn't anything that scummy and a few things feel townie.
Point 1 - really not that suspicious Point 2 & 3 - okay yea he made a bad read. he got caught up on the idea I was scum and talis was not. It still feels townie though. s0Lstice seems much more suspicious for originally "strongly agreeing" with the cases against talis and then getting cold feet after 1 minor point from miltonkram point 4 - he understandably misread risen's claim point 5 - I grant this is somwhat suspicious
His tone of posting since D2 just feels townie to me.
Overall, I just don't see enough evidence to warrant a lynch.
My read is based entirely on his day 3 play. Seriously who lynches a cop claim when the cop is either going to die that night or come back with another check then get lynched the next day?
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On July 20 2012 02:05 sciberbia wrote: Literally everybody think gonzaw is scummy. I think we should start voting him now. Vote Keir #1 martyr/cop killer scum.
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On July 20 2012 02:09 sciberbia wrote: @Risen There is some logic to it. You have to consider the very strong possibility that you survive the night but say you were roleblocked. Then what do we do? If I live through the night and am roleblocked you lynch me and get confirmation on scum having a roleblocker when I flip cop. I don't see any other option there.
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On July 20 2012 02:10 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 02:06 Risen wrote:On July 20 2012 02:02 sciberbia wrote: Guys I really don't think keirathi is a good lynch. Read his filter back to front. There really isn't anything that scummy and a few things feel townie.
Point 1 - really not that suspicious Point 2 & 3 - okay yea he made a bad read. he got caught up on the idea I was scum and talis was not. It still feels townie though. s0Lstice seems much more suspicious for originally "strongly agreeing" with the cases against talis and then getting cold feet after 1 minor point from miltonkram point 4 - he understandably misread risen's claim point 5 - I grant this is somwhat suspicious
His tone of posting since D2 just feels townie to me.
Overall, I just don't see enough evidence to warrant a lynch. My read is based entirely on his day 3 play. Seriously who lynches a cop claim when the cop is either going to die that night or come back with another check then get lynched the next day? sigh. DOUBLE FUCKING SIGH. Either milton is scum or there's a roleblocker (or both, possibly but unlikely). Or there's a Jk or he's claiming he was rb'd and scum withheld their rb last night, will use it on me tonight and "clear" milton
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On July 20 2012 02:20 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 01:16 DropBear wrote:Ok I'm moving on from Risen, I want to lynch Keirathi. There are five main points against him for mine. 1. Firstly, he backs up and sheeps tali's case against me on day 2. On July 14 2012 05:15 Keirathi wrote:DropBearAlong with tali, I feel like he was been entirely overaggressive and disruptive with thinks like + Show Spoiler +On July 13 2012 02:58 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 02:20 talismania wrote:On July 13 2012 02:00 DropBear wrote: ##Vote Vivax the hell? any reasons beyond what marv said? I called him out as being suss last page, do you read boy? , but he refuted that with some meta argument, so I'll give him the BotD for that just being the way he plays. Not really anything to say about this. Yes, I did. Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 01:16 DropBear wrote:2. His avoidance of voting for tali day 2. He clearly doesn't want to vote for tali, but doesn't give any other options. Not only this he puts in a martyr at the end. On July 17 2012 05:45 Keirathi wrote:Man, missing 90% of the day is frustrating. I'm second guessing everything at this point, and don't have any really strong townie reads. Also I really don't know what I think about tali. There's so many cases against him, and they are all decent, but none of them are damning I think. Maybe enough little things adds up to him being scum, but I remain unconvinced. Almost everything about him is either directly relating to his plan, or relating to things that branched out from his plan. I agree that his plan was really bad and I don't want to support bad play, but like Milton pointed out, he was entirely too invested in it. I don't really see scum as staying that invested into pushing something to intentionally bring attention onto himself. Something about this case and being so little opposition just feels bandwagonny. If I'm wrong, it probably means I get lynched tomorrow because of this post though  I didn't give any other options? I posted my thoughts on sciberbia BEFORE i made that post. Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 01:16 DropBear wrote:3. So who does he vote? On July 17 2012 06:51 Keirathi wrote: Bleh catch 22. Have to vote but I don't particularly feel good about the tali lynch. I don't think its impossible that he is scum, but I'm decently positive he's not.
I don't really think Drop or s0lstice are great cases either. So who the eff to vote for. My gut read on a throwaway vote, or the popular read with no conviction?! Who does he vote? sciberbia, the first person to make a case against tali. I mentioned I was out of town. I get back to the thread with 7 votes on my teamate (if we're assuming that I'm scum here). Why wouldn't I just hop on the wagon? Why would I go after the person attacking him? I mean, there was no way scib was going to get lynched at that point. So what would be the benefit for me as scum to even make a case or vote him? Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 01:16 DropBear wrote:4. Next he jumps rapidly onto the gonzaw bandwagon. Sole reasoning here. On July 18 2012 08:09 Keirathi wrote: ##vote: gonzaw Note that a lack of explanation behind a vote was a key reason he voted for me on day 1, this is a double standard. What can I say? I think hopping on someone for no reason is dumb. I obviously thought gonzaw was a red check from the cop. He keeps saying that that was never his intent, but thats what I thought when I read his claim post. Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 01:16 DropBear wrote:5. Lastly his ragequit. If he was actually a townie, he's arguing for a deliberate mislynch here. On July 18 2012 16:48 Keirathi wrote:On July 18 2012 16:46 Risen wrote: It's hilarious how scummy keirathi's posting is. (i guess I'm the only one seeing it though since you have to take my being a cop as true to see it that way)
And maybe strongandbig sees it. Then fucking lynch me today so you can get past your tunnel vision that you had with Vivax and maybe make an actual good read. I'm serious, as much as I don't want us to lynch a townie today, I would rather Risen not be biased and tunneling me and not trying to find the real scum. ##Vote: Keirathi He mentions the real scum a lot, but his lynch plan was the same as mine, lynch Risen to confirm two townies. No scumhunting there. Also, I have only seen a ragequit like this once before; ilovejonn in mafia 39 who was scum and was backed into a corner so this is what he did. ##Unvote
##Vote Keirathi You are right, I was arguing for a deliberate mislynch. Because I didn't (and maybe now still) believe that the whole Risen vs me situation isn't going to resolve until one of us dies. And, despite Risen constantly saying otherwise, I think the mafia will do whatever they can to keep him alive for absolutely as long as possible. [/QUOTE]
Nice try, but in this post Keir pretty much tells us he knows scum has a role blocker (how could he know this? He's scum)
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On July 20 2012 02:24 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 02:20 Keirathi wrote:On July 20 2012 01:16 DropBear wrote:Ok I'm moving on from Risen, I want to lynch Keirathi. There are five main points against him for mine. 1. Firstly, he backs up and sheeps tali's case against me on day 2. On July 14 2012 05:15 Keirathi wrote:DropBearAlong with tali, I feel like he was been entirely overaggressive and disruptive with thinks like + Show Spoiler +On July 13 2012 02:58 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 02:20 talismania wrote:On July 13 2012 02:00 DropBear wrote: ##Vote Vivax the hell? any reasons beyond what marv said? I called him out as being suss last page, do you read boy? , but he refuted that with some meta argument, so I'll give him the BotD for that just being the way he plays. Not really anything to say about this. Yes, I did. On July 20 2012 01:16 DropBear wrote:2. His avoidance of voting for tali day 2. He clearly doesn't want to vote for tali, but doesn't give any other options. Not only this he puts in a martyr at the end. On July 17 2012 05:45 Keirathi wrote:Man, missing 90% of the day is frustrating. I'm second guessing everything at this point, and don't have any really strong townie reads. Also I really don't know what I think about tali. There's so many cases against him, and they are all decent, but none of them are damning I think. Maybe enough little things adds up to him being scum, but I remain unconvinced. Almost everything about him is either directly relating to his plan, or relating to things that branched out from his plan. I agree that his plan was really bad and I don't want to support bad play, but like Milton pointed out, he was entirely too invested in it. I don't really see scum as staying that invested into pushing something to intentionally bring attention onto himself. Something about this case and being so little opposition just feels bandwagonny. If I'm wrong, it probably means I get lynched tomorrow because of this post though  I didn't give any other options? I posted my thoughts on sciberbia BEFORE i made that post. On July 20 2012 01:16 DropBear wrote:3. So who does he vote? On July 17 2012 06:51 Keirathi wrote: Bleh catch 22. Have to vote but I don't particularly feel good about the tali lynch. I don't think its impossible that he is scum, but I'm decently positive he's not.
I don't really think Drop or s0lstice are great cases either. So who the eff to vote for. My gut read on a throwaway vote, or the popular read with no conviction?! Who does he vote? sciberbia, the first person to make a case against tali. I mentioned I was out of town. I get back to the thread with 7 votes on my teamate (if we're assuming that I'm scum here). Why wouldn't I just hop on the wagon? Why would I go after the person attacking him? I mean, there was no way scib was going to get lynched at that point. So what would be the benefit for me as scum to even make a case or vote him? On July 20 2012 01:16 DropBear wrote:4. Next he jumps rapidly onto the gonzaw bandwagon. Sole reasoning here. On July 18 2012 08:09 Keirathi wrote: ##vote: gonzaw Note that a lack of explanation behind a vote was a key reason he voted for me on day 1, this is a double standard. What can I say? I think hopping on someone for no reason is dumb. I obviously thought gonzaw was a red check from the cop. He keeps saying that that was never his intent, but thats what I thought when I read his claim post. On July 20 2012 01:16 DropBear wrote:5. Lastly his ragequit. If he was actually a townie, he's arguing for a deliberate mislynch here. On July 18 2012 16:48 Keirathi wrote:On July 18 2012 16:46 Risen wrote: It's hilarious how scummy keirathi's posting is. (i guess I'm the only one seeing it though since you have to take my being a cop as true to see it that way)
And maybe strongandbig sees it. Then fucking lynch me today so you can get past your tunnel vision that you had with Vivax and maybe make an actual good read. I'm serious, as much as I don't want us to lynch a townie today, I would rather Risen not be biased and tunneling me and not trying to find the real scum. ##Vote: Keirathi He mentions the real scum a lot, but his lynch plan was the same as mine, lynch Risen to confirm two townies. No scumhunting there. Also, I have only seen a ragequit like this once before; ilovejonn in mafia 39 who was scum and was backed into a corner so this is what he did. ##Unvote
##Vote Keirathi You are right, I was arguing for a deliberate mislynch. Because I didn't (and maybe now still) believe that the whole Risen vs me situation isn't going to resolve until one of us dies. And, despite Risen constantly saying otherwise, I think the mafia will do whatever they can to keep him alive for absolutely as long as possible. Nice try, but in this post Keir pretty much tells us he knows scum has a role blocker (how could he know this? He's scum)
Fixed?
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For those that can't catch it. Keir pretty much just outed himself bc he's claiming I'll be rb'd every night and scum will keep me alive. How could he know scum had a rb unless he was scum? Surely he's not implying that scum would just let a cop stay alive with free checks every night. The dude is scum and scib's defense of him is sketch as fuck
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On July 20 2012 02:31 Keirathi wrote: Basically what I'm saying is that if they DO have a roleblocker, they have no reason to ever kill you. If they have a framer, they don't have much reason to kill you tonight unless gonzaw is scum since you already made it clear you plan to investigate him when I die. Lol wtf is this? If you're town you're doing a horrible job defending yourself. If they have rb I claim rb'd and get lynched tomorrow to confirm. If they have framer he better do a good job of guessing bc a smart cop will place his investigations where they aren't expected when there's a possible framer. Night one I almost literally threw a dart at a board of people to determine my check. If there is a framer and they want to let me live he and I will be doing the dance of wifom.
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On July 20 2012 02:40 s0Lstice wrote: Except you barely talked to s&b all day. You said it was because you were avoiding attention from him.
So which is it?
What? I chose strongandbig nearly at random from a list of people who I felt weren't doing much that would make them targets n1. I chose s0L n2 bc I genuinely thought he was scum. If you think I'm going to just sit here and actually tell the thread prior to the dawn zone who I checked you're bonkers.
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On July 20 2012 02:54 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 02:48 Keirathi wrote:On July 20 2012 02:47 Mattchew wrote: S&b and risen you should be on Gonzaw... And risen keirathi was unlikely to be jailed so If he's telling the truth about being rb'd it's logical to think it was a scum rb Err what? I never claimed that I was rb'd? :o woops I rushed.. It is unlikely Milton was jailed* ... The post has the same message Wtf no it doesn't. Matt is the second scum? How could Keir possibly trust Milton's claim 100%
What a screwup.
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Rofl Matt that was so bad I can't believe it.
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##unvote ##vote gonzaw
If he's red I no longer want Matt lynched. I don't think he'd bus THIS hard. Also, I'm not being thick the message isn't the same bc you were just defending keir then swapped his name with miltons and said the message was the same. No it isn't, you're shady as fuck if Gonzaw flips green.
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On July 20 2012 03:11 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 02:35 Risen wrote:On July 20 2012 02:31 Keirathi wrote: Basically what I'm saying is that if they DO have a roleblocker, they have no reason to ever kill you. If they have a framer, they don't have much reason to kill you tonight unless gonzaw is scum since you already made it clear you plan to investigate him when I die. Lol wtf is this? If you're town you're doing a horrible job defending yourself. If they have rb I claim rb'd and get lynched tomorrow to confirm. If they have framer he better do a good job of guessing bc a smart cop will place his investigations where they aren't expected when there's a possible framer. Night one I almost literally threw a dart at a board of people to determine my check. If there is a framer and they want to let me live he and I will be doing the dance of wifom. The bolded is you saying that during N1, you chose almost at random who to check. Now look at this: Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 09:31 s0Lstice wrote:cool ##unvotewhile I think about that one. I went through your day one filter and saw pretty much nothing on s&b. this is your last post before the day post: On July 15 2012 06:32 Risen wrote: If I die, be suspicious of anyone who hard defended Vivax. No one should have felt he was towny (only scum would be defending him hard because they're the ones who KNOW he's town, like I did with VE day 1 of my last scum game. Gave me town cred up the wazoo yo), and be even more wary of anyone who was hard defending him and ended up on him instead of DropBear. Day post in 30 mins. in fact you called a lot of people scummy, but never him Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 09:44 Risen wrote: Yup I've been focusing on not being shot, but with mason claim (provided it isn't you or s&b) we pretty much have this game in the bag. Not sure how that makes you unvote gonzaw, though, unless you think the scum team is s&b and I, in which case that's quite the about face. Regardless, I think you have to lynch gonzaw or me today. I'll flip cop and then you lynch gonzaw or you lynch gonzaw and he flips either town or scum, if scum I die at night b/c scum can't afford me checking around and if town it's pretty WIFOM on whether scum lets me live another night so I get lynched the next night. Either you made your decision on who to check day 1, and didn't speak to him for fear of getting shot, or you decided at random on N1 to s&b, which you are asserting now.
What the fuck are you talking about? I was gone for almost all of day 2 and how would I talk to strongandbig that makes no sense. I see no contradiction anywhere
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Ebwop: continuing on that thought, wtf does trying to avoid being killed at night have to do with my checks?
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