Bureaucracy Mafia!

On July 06 2012 11:54 HiroPro wrote:


You know you want to

When it says "He can send orders to one of them every half cycle.", do you mean that an order can be sent once during day and than once during night, or 2 orders per day/night?

On July 11 2012 22:44 risk.nuke wrote:
/in

On July 13 2012 23:53 Palmar wrote:
/in

On July 16 2012 14:49 Probulous wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Thoughts?

On July 16 2012 15:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
People are being shy violets right now but I like what probulous has posted thus far.

On July 16 2012 22:07 sandroba wrote:
Right I read through everything. I want to kill blazinghand. Smart people that disagree please post reasons!

On July 16 2012 22:26 syllogism wrote:
I actually somewhat agree with sandro on blazing. This post also feels artificial to me, that is to say he it doesn't read like he actually believes in what he is saying

On July 17 2012 00:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, so far we have pseudo-scumhunting by most, RL by Palmar (:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO) and Chezinu is a mad detective. Syllo wants to lynch Prob, marvel misses me and QbZ is sinani?

Did I miss anything gravely important before I post like...opinions?

On July 17 2012 01:27 Blazinghand wrote:


Why not vote me then? Or are you waiting for permission from your overlords.

On July 17 2012 01:30 Blazinghand wrote:
Welp I don't really know what to say to that since even a scum sandroba wouldn't KNOW that MZ was scum at this point unless he's one of the controllers and MZ was a minion. It's preposterous that there'd be any other reason to vote me, so after MZ flips minion, we can lynch Sandroba and he'll flip manager.

On July 17 2012 01:33 Blazinghand wrote:



What about him

On July 17 2012 01:54 HiroPro wrote:


You can call it whatever you want. But I see a case that I think is good.

On July 16 2012 23:07 supersoft wrote:


wifom



how can you like this nonsense?

On July 17 2012 02:07 sandroba wrote:

I don't agree at all. It's blazinghand we are talking about here not kurumi (apologies in advance, but you area bit crazy when you roll town. In fact you look red this game =P) . That thought process is either from someone who doesn't know better or someone who is pretending to do so. As sensible town, which from his previous games I'm certain he is capable of being he would analyze it from the perspective that either syllo or me or whoever he is jumping on currrently could be town and mistaken about him and see if that makes sense based on what he posted and the reasons we gave to finding him scummy.
This decent role play right now doesn't magically erase how he completely botched his previous one.

On July 17 2012 02:18 sandroba wrote:

No. I think in this game in particular, since most scum don't know each other, I think they will even more try to fit the "I must think and act like a townie" and try to represent that in thread, because it's the easier and most effective way to play day 1 with no information. What I'm seeing from BH is exactly that, a forceful and exaggerated caricature with no real purpose behind it, if not the one of looking townie.

On July 17 2012 02:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

There's nothing to explain, it's like the second post in the game and it makes a lot of sense. If someone has been going tunnel city on someone else and then next day they completely ignore it I think it's worth lynching into.

On July 17 2012 02:17 Palmar wrote:
I agree with BlazingHand let's kill syllogism. Nice catch supersoft.

On July 17 2012 02:37 sandroba wrote:

You are wrong. Katina alignment is non conclusive right now. Move on to palmar/mz/bh/syllo/probulus.

On July 17 2012 02:27 Palmar wrote:
Supersoft nailed it. MVP. I'm going to stop playing and start working on a bronze statue of him to erect in my bathroom.

On July 17 2012 03:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
I support Random Lynch.

On July 17 2012 06:45 supersoft wrote:
did i skip something or might sandroba still be scum hardcorebussing his minion?

On July 17 2012 06:46 sandroba wrote:
I sure can, does that make any difference to the fact kurumi is scum?

On July 17 2012 06:47 risk.nuke wrote:
##vote kurumi
Kurumi looks pretty busted. His first response to the accusation I can't buy. Feels like a poor scum-excuse but a nonexistant townexcuse and his posts after that are aligned with what I would expect from a busted scum.

On July 17 2012 15:32 sandroba wrote:
People let me make something clear. There is NO case on syllo so far. We are not lynching him this early period. You all will be able to tell 100% if syllo is town or scum by day 3-4. I really don't understand how so many people can be so sure he is scum at this point, it's like something that build up momentum out of the blue with no real evidence behind it.

On July 18 2012 00:31 austinmcc wrote:
Voting sandroba until he reveals his power.

On July 18 2012 01:15 sandroba wrote:
I would reveal I've been msg'ed in thread. Or if I could come to the conclusion the msg came from a townie I would think about what he is trying to accomplish and not follow the instructions.

On July 18 2012 02:19 Kurumi wrote:
Don't lynch layabout, that's mindless. This guy posted TWO TIMES. Everything he has done was to express some doubt in what happened. He did not attack sandroba, he asked questions. STOP voting layabout.

On July 18 2012 03:04 layabout wrote:
bah Sandro town Kurumi scum.

since none of you questioned mafia following a two line message of questionable intent when mafia can only have sent up to 3 messages that could have been as long as they liked and would have been their only method of communication.

Are we ignoring the nuke and just killing Kurumi then?

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lol

On July 18 2012 03:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Glad people are paying attention and voting BH.

Posts like this though are a problem. The last thing we want is to give scum more information on sandro's role.



Don't waste your vote like that, try and do something productive.

On July 18 2012 04:33 Kurumi wrote:

Interesting, why? Then I shouldn't get lynched before I got nuked!

On July 18 2012 04:35 Kurumi wrote:
Anyway I propose Kurumi lynch. I am dying as town anyway, so that sucks. If RoL flips town, then we have two towns dead. If we kill another town.. 3 towns dead day 1.
Lynch me. Please. This is the best thing you can do. Best case - RoL is scum. Worst case, I am town and so RoL is.

On July 18 2012 04:48 syllogism wrote:
It's exactly the kind of role I would expect to be in this setup. You know basically nothing about the setup other than the fact the fact town:mafia ratio is extremely abnormal and the immediate conclusion you draw is that this role is too powerful to be town? Why is your focus on the fact that mafia has limited communication instead of there being one mafia for every 2 townies? What exactly would mafia sandroba's motivation here be? Do you think he is CEO or how exactly do you think he communicated with kurumi?

On July 18 2012 05:04 VisceraEyes wrote:


I can tell by the way you shot a nuke at RoL before he posted.

On July 18 2012 05:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Do you think Layabout is scum? If so, why aren't you voting him with me, your strongest town-read?

On July 18 2012 06:23 wherebugsgo wrote:
1. First of all, sandro's probably the laziest scum I've ever played with. Unless he's magically become so good at playing mafia, the chance of him being scum right now is next to 0.

2. I've already shown that it is in the interest of scum and not town to seek a full roleclaim from sandro. It's also obviously in the interest of mafia to kill sandro right now, and it's in the interest of mafia to undermine sandro so that the damage is minimized.

On July 17 2012 23:37 austinmcc wrote:
Good lord you guys post too much. Read through, need to look closer at the syllo and BH stuff, but first I want to ask this:

Does anyone actually know what sandroba's power is?I want sandroba to reveal his role. He seems sure that mafia is going to kill him
so there's no harm in revealing.

1-shot? 1 message per half cycle? 1 message per cycle? Please reveal more about your actual power, sandroba, because it's not sitting well with me right now. More than anything else in the thread, I'm curious about this.

On July 17 2012 23:40 austinmcc wrote:

No thanks, I'd like to contribute. You're not at all curious about the magical power that out-ed you?

On July 17 2012 06:47 risk.nuke wrote:
##vote kurumi
Kurumi looks pretty busted. His first response to the accusation I can't buy. Feels like a poor scum-excuse but a nonexistant townexcuse and his posts after that are aligned with what I would expect from a busted scum.

On July 18 2012 14:15 Probulous wrote:


Well given you were on austin you can't really complain. We did try and get a lynch, I swear we did.

On July 18 2012 14:31 wherebugsgo wrote:
every game we've been in together, anyway.

On July 18 2012 14:51 Probulous wrote:
Bugs, Supersoft, Foolishness, QBertz.

Where were all you guys before the lynch?

On July 18 2012 22:42 Palmar wrote:
gonzaw is still 100% scum. So is meapak, and I'm pretty sure by now foolishness is one too.

On July 18 2012 22:49 marvellosity wrote:
Hosts already said deadline was being moved to 12am or 1am my time (1 hour later for supersoft then). It's not entirely clear to me which :x

On July 19 2012 04:02 supersoft wrote:
Kurumi, who messaged you. Tell me now.

On July 20 2012 02:38 Foolishness wrote:
Anyone saying that my case on Bill Murray is too much based on meta did not read through it. It is clear from his fitler that he has not brought anything new to the table nor contributed anything. As I said his longest post was his little spiel about me but that only came after many others (sandroba, bugs, etc) laid out those arguments in full. He just repeated what others were saying. You can see from his past games that this matches up with his mafia play.

Bill Murray hasn't done anything this game. He's neither contributed nor done anything helpful. His attitude this game is very consistent with his mafia play.

Also I already explained my actions this game. If you want to sit there and call me mafia than go crazy, but don't expect me to respond unless you actually bring up a case.

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And Probulous, you are seriously misguided if you are thinking about whether someone is an executive or not. Hypothetical scenario. Let's say we have a confirmed sane DT check someone and get back the result of mafia. How are you going to be able to tell whether that person is an executive or a minion? You can't. It's a waste of time to think about it. A mafia is a mafia.

On July 20 2012 02:55 Foolishness wrote:

Yes. That doesn't change anything I've said.

On July 20 2012 07:34 sandroba wrote:
Man this is fun.

I messaged Zealos yesterday before the day post. He never revealed he got pm. I just got confirmation that the pm was sent and Zealos has posted twice since then. So yeah fun times.

On July 20 2012 07:50 sandroba wrote:
Well we should just lynch kurumi to not give the hosts much trouble. I asked zealos to breacrumb if he had any powers in his posts and he didn't do anything so I assume no power.

On July 20 2012 07:51 Blazinghand wrote:


As do I.

JUST TO REITERATE: I'm TOTALLY down to kill EITHER of these guys today. Both are fine to lynch. The other will be lynched tomorrow. Killing Zealos, however, cuts short one night of possible mafia PR usage, whereas Kurumi has already used his 1-shot nuke power.

I will be around CONSTANTLY and am totally willing to go back to Kurumi to insure a lynch today.

##unvote
##vote: Zealos

Let's do it.

On July 06 2012 09:28 Protactinium wrote:


They will know what exists, not who has what.
.
@Syllo- Current format is everyone sends in their choice to hosts by days end and CEO picks one from the list. Might tweak this a bit. If CEO dies, the decision power will go to one of the executives (in a certain order). If all 3 executives die, one or two minions may have the power to decide..If all possible decision makers die, it will be made by vote with priority on popularity and then who sent it in first. If anyone has suggestions for this feel free.

On July 20 2012 08:25 Probulous wrote:
Sandroba, do you get to message people directly or via the host?

If the message is anonymous, how would Zealos know it came from you? We don't know if scum can send messages to townies so ignoring the message is not a bad idea in my mind. Am I missing something?

On July 18 2012 08:08 supersoft wrote:
if you start to wifoming around someone who claimed a role and catched scum, at some point he will look suspicious in the eyes of an unexperienced mafiaplayer.
But if you look at the facts, sandroba is, if he catched scum with kurumi, town MVP right now. Noone else catched scum so far. he's not confirmed whatsoever and I already pointed out, that setupwise there is still a possibility that sandroba is scum. But this possibility is the only thing what stands between his status as townMVP and confirmedtown-townMVP. The assumption that the very existance of this possibility leads to the conclusion that sandroba is scum, is just bullshit.
sum-up: attacking sandro right now is bad play.

On July 21 2012 07:23 syllogism wrote:

I already explained but you refused to accept the explanation. How did you handwave this by the way?

On July 21 2012 07:30 Blazinghand wrote:


They have the best powers, communication

On July 21 2012 07:31 supersoft wrote:


If they die, someone else will take their spot, no?

On July 22 2012 04:07 Palmar wrote:


Even if I thought revealing my role was beneficial, why would I do it during the night?

On July 22 2012 04:58 VisceraEyes wrote:


Foolish can you comment on these points on BM I raised?

On July 22 2012 05:18 Foolishness wrote:

Man town's these days are brutal, no wonder so many people ragequit.

On July 18 2012 14:25 Foolishness wrote:
God dammit I was playing league of legends then had to step out quickly. What the heck happened

On July 22 2012 05:18 Foolishness wrote:

Man town's these days are brutal, no wonder so many people ragequit.

On January 25 2012 00:46 GGQ wrote:
I dislike being labelled as bored/lazy/apathetic. I spent hours every day reading the thread, comparing filters, and scribbling notes.

I was aware that I wasn't having much impact on the thread, but with the time I had available i tried to do what I could, having ciryandor as my day 1 lynch target and BC as my mayor choice. I suspected Incog at first primarily because of his case against BC when it looked like the town might be ready to unite behind him. After the macpo lynch I pretty much decided to trust protact/BC/foolishness for the forseeable future. About macpo, when people wanted to lynch him for being uncertain and self-doubting in his first post, I wanted to defend him because I remember in my first game being very hesitent and having no confidence at all. Guess that's a scumtell for a reason. Mostly the game was proceeding in an acceptable manner (aside from way too much unnecessary posting), so there was no need for me to do anything drastic.

I know it's important for townies to establish their innocence and I will hopefully do better at that next time, but it was actually pretty enlightening to be the target of various accusations and to be able to judge people's intent based on the way the accusations were made. I never responded to any of them, either because they were dozens of pages back when I finally caught up to the thread, or because I just didn't feel threatened. Maybe I should have been more worried but I wasn't. I've never been lynched as town and I didn't intend to start.

On July 22 2012 06:18 syllogism wrote:

GGQ never posts in any of the games he joins, so linking wouldn't do much

On July 22 2012 05:26 supersoft wrote:


I never miss lynches if i am awake. It just never happens.

If you really are town, you're doing it wrong man.

On July 17 2012 01:35 Blazinghand wrote:
Oh my lord, you're right. Syllo's managed to make several posts without actually comitting to anything at all. I take it all back, he's the scum here. He agrees with Sandro on me, but doesn't do anything about it. He would "like to lynch" probulous, but doesn't vote him.

I've seen the light.

##unvote
##vote: syllogism

die scum

On July 17 2012 01:38 Blazinghand wrote:
NO! NO THIS ONE MAKES SENSE. Just check out his filter:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=102651

Ok so he starts off with irrelevant questions that look like pressure but aren't (link), then continues by saying that HE WANTS TO LYNCH PROBULOUS WITHOUT VOTING HIM (link), then states I'm scum but hides behind another dude's case and doesn't vote me! (link).

This is a man with no strong opinions except, apparently, that everyone is scum but he's not voting anyone. Scummy. Scum.

On July 17 2012 02:27 Palmar wrote:
Supersoft nailed it. MVP. I'm going to stop playing and start working on a bronze statue of him to erect in my bathroom.

On July 22 2012 05:18 Foolishness wrote:

Man town's these days are brutal, no wonder so many people ragequit.

On July 22 2012 07:04 syllogism wrote:

Even if that's the case, I don't believe you at no point had a few minutes to spare to move your vote somewhere useful. Yes, I do believe it's possible that you had to "step out" for a while, but before that you were playing LoL and clearly not very interested in helping town.

On July 22 2012 06:56 syllogism wrote:
It is conceivable that Palmar thought that I was mafia very early on, but it's pretty much impossible by now unless he hasn't read anything since

They can and I think are both mafia

On July 22 2012 08:03 syllogism wrote:

I said that it's conceivable and would be an attempt to convey to me that he is mafia. It was a random vote and he put 0 effort into actually pushing the point. What a pointless question

On July 22 2012 08:41 supersoft wrote:
Katina, is it true that foolish had no time to be around for the day1 lynch?

On July 22 2012 14:05 slOosh wrote:
Awesome on two counts!

I am a Crazed Employee - basically a delayed 1 shot vig, and I targetted Foolishness last night. As you know I've been spending a majority of my time figuring him out and was wavering because he had a good case on BM which I agree with, yet chose to do exactly that a case on BM. I was torn on trying to figure out meta and trusting people's reads, but VE's grilling brought out cold hard, in-thread contradictions that I understand and trust.

Probulous I'm assuming is some sort of kingmaker (?) - and he made VE king to lynch BH. Prob has also said that Chezinu is some sort of rolecop:

Prob is it clear from your role name what your ability is? Because from a minion perspective, the knowledge of someone's role is hard to use - even if you knew someone was blue you can only submit the name to CEO kill list, and outting something like that isn't a town thing to do in the first place. But I also thought he was some sort of messenger role?


I forgot who said it (was quite recently) that scum and town may have mirror/similar abilities. Sandroba was a clear instance of a town messenger - use ability to find out scum. Chezinu or whoever is sending seems like they are sending messages of confusion (house of Chezinu etc.). In any case I still have to do more rereading & filtering in light of the new information influx.

Lastly, I think that the traitorous employee should claim. As I understand it it's like a self-aware miller who wins with town but numbers count with scum. Since mafia have to kill all town they are torn having a "confirmed town" alive and wasting their 1 KP on a useless kill (doesn't count to their wincon), and have lost their means of instantly killing him, plus the possible additional benefits of seeing scum strategies and redacted knowledge through outed PMs can be huge.

Original Message From Protactinium:
Nope

On July 22 2012 20:24 Bill Murray wrote:
but, yeah, i'm stealing sloosh's vote, and seeing if he has any unused powers i can use (then we'll know he's lying)

On July 22 2012 21:09 marvellosity wrote:


why would he claim if he knew he was going to get counter-claimed? he would want some kinda 1 for 1??

On July 22 2012 21:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
I guess the question is: why didn't either of you shoot Kurumi N1? We wasted our D2 lynch because of you guys, you WERE under specific orders to open fire.

##Unvote: Chezinu
##Vote: Palmar

Sup bro? Suuuuup?

I'm doing a little rereading over the course of today

Aside from myself and Probulous I seem to recall others unwilling to lynch BH D1 when gonzaw and he were on the block. I'm going back and specifically rereading that portion of the game to see if there's anything there...the Chairman of the Board knew BH would flip scum.



Why do you ask dear?

On July 23 2012 00:52 syllogism wrote:
After palmar we should definitely lynch into sloosh/zealos/austinmcc/meapak. Even if they all flip mafia, not quite sure who the remaining two are, though the pool of possible candidates isn't very large. Mass claim by that point may be a good idea.

On July 23 2012 03:38 syllogism wrote:
I read the role, but it seems like such a dumb strategy, especially with the claims being clearly so poorly thought out. I suppose if Supersoft is fake claiming it might make some sense

On July 23 2012 03:41 supersoft wrote:


mh no i am not. I know there are no clues in this game, but:
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 22 2012 16:45 supersoft wrote:



You didn't kill foolishness.

On July 22 2012 19:12 supersoft wrote:
yes i shot foolishness and i am the towndreamflower.
However it's possible, that be both shot him. vigs dont get their bullets back when 2 shot the same target.
But I still don't buy it.
He didn't shoot foolishness.

On July 22 2012 19:22 syllogism wrote:
I don't like how he spends a whole paragraph explaining why he shot him. If he shot him, it's likely that he would be more confident as there is no reason to assume someone else shot him and thus little reason to explain his rationale in such detail. He doesn't seem confident at all. He also never posted anything in-thread that indicated he was "wavering" or changing his mind on foolishness.

On July 22 2012 19:32 supersoft wrote:
yes. his claim looks extremely fake. i bet crazed employee is his fake-PM.
All scummembers have a fakePM i bet his is that crazed employee.

On July 23 2012 12:42 Chezinu wrote:
OK! First OFF, The mafia is panicking!! have you seen how many mafia posts there are pre-page 139? SOOO many.. I just skipped most of them to avoid hurting my sound town mind. If you would pick someone randomly to kill from those pages you will likey hit scum. Just avoid Prob, cause I likes him.

Prob, just noticed the exact same thing I noticed about slOosh and someone breadcrumb my suspensions. Therefore,

##Vote slOosh

oh and mafia try and calm yourselves down. Your just outing yourselves. I know your angry about the CEO and how he played. But you don't have to complain openly about it in the thread, making you obvious scum for the lynch. See what I did thar? oh and gonaz, stop trying to communicate secretly in the thread. You aren't skilled as me, thanks.

On July 23 2012 23:12 syllogism wrote:
You are right, I think he messed up and forgot that RoL died first, though obviously he can't claim RoL's role as that could be tested immediately. If he gets to choose whose role he takes, there is no way he would take WBG's pardoner role as that's worthless.

On July 17 2012 02:27 Palmar wrote:
Supersoft nailed it. MVP. I'm going to stop playing and start working on a bronze statue of him to erect in my bathroom.

On July 23 2012 23:12 syllogism wrote:
You are right, I think he messed up and forgot that RoL died first, though obviously he can't claim RoL's role as that could be tested immediately. If he gets to choose whose role he takes, there is no way he would take WBG's pardoner role as that's worthless.

On July 23 2012 23:33 Palmar wrote:


At the time I thought BH was town, and I thought he'd get lynched. I actually meant to pardon him, which is pretty terrible.

Sorry for the shitty play.

On July 24 2012 02:03 Katina wrote:
I read somewhere that I didn't say or vote for Palmar until the wagon started to form on him. That is not true at all, I have been pushing Palmar since D1 and put my vote on him after BH was lynched since he was next on my list to lynch.

On July 24 2012 02:03 Katina wrote:
It is true that the Mafia are panicking now. (gonzaw's case on me and risk's sheeping along and claiming to not stop until I'm lynchng) I don't believe sloosh's claim and I think that he has a high chance of flipping Mafia. Once Palmar flips then we need to focus our attention on the others. gonzaw, Layabout, Meapak, risk.nuke, sloosh.

On July 24 2012 00:03 supersoft wrote:
Okay I am home, let's clean up.

First of all, I want you to explain what really happened this game:
It's always the same, the scumvets and the townvets fight for the townleadership. 2 Townvets, syllogism and sandroba had an insanely strong start.

+ Show Spoiler +

I knew that they were town from the first couple of posts.
Foolishness and Palmar saw that, too. I know exactly that they saw it because they tried to attack both of them instantly. There is no way, that Palmar honestly thought that syllogism is scum at the end of day1.



he even tried to pull me on his side. So my first allegation is basically this:

Palmar attacks Syllogism even though he knows that he's town.

Second allegation:
Some people are wondering why we chose Palmar all of a sudden, while I for example was defending him until n2. As you see, I faked it.
+ Show Spoiler +
I was suspicious of Palmar right from the start, when he attacked syllo and sandro for no reason. I wanted to see how Palmar plays without pressure and we all saw it:

He was fucking useless.

Third: His roleclaim *facepalm*


the thought that Palmar picks up a pardoner-power when he's town is just ridiculous

LET'S LYNCH THAT SCUM

On July 24 2012 05:03 Mattchew wrote:
I am voting Palmar.

I unintentionally saved BH from a day 1 lynch.

Sandroba saying Palmar was the best reason I could find, and I trust that sandroba is smarter than I.

My vote is late and meaningless, but it does help ensure a lynch.

##vote: Palmar

On July 24 2012 05:06 marvellosity wrote:


Alright. I'm gonna trust you/sandroba/syllo/whoever else. My read on him still isn't much away from null, but for someone who knows Palmar better that may be telling in itself

On July 24 2012 09:51 syllogism wrote:
See no need to make cases, just yell at/blackmail people until they vote right

On July 25 2012 03:10 rastaban wrote:

well maybe if you would stop lurking and actually help out the town for once she could get a read on you...

On July 25 2012 06:55 Mattchew wrote:

Marv imo this means nothing given the setup

On July 25 2012 07:10 Mattchew wrote:

This is using your knowledge that like Palmar is 100% scum. Not everyone is as confident as you

On July 25 2012 07:23 supersoft wrote:
Catching bad players is a little bit different, but it basically should work somewhat similar.

On July 25 2012 07:53 Chezinu wrote:


I wonder how that happened. It seems every time I play people always say the thread is chaotic.. wait a minute... I haven't heard anyone call me useless this game! People tend to do that too when I play..

On July 25 2012 14:16 Probulous wrote:
I PM'd them.

On July 25 2012 16:26 supersoft wrote:
ve, read the thread. really. we discussed the slooshtopic like 1474383 pages. no he did not claim the same role.

i dont lynch based on a stupid mirrortheory, if i dont have all roleclaims.
today's lynch will be determined the good old behaviorbased way.

even though you still are welcome to roleclaim, meapak.

On July 25 2012 16:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

lol.

You're a good player supersoft but your weakness is that you sometimes get hopelessly arrogant. You don't have a case, I'm not getting lynched.

Moving on how about we hear from you on who you'd realistically like to lynch today.

On July 25 2012 02:51 syllogism wrote:

He has been very passive and his behavior near day 1 lynch deadline was quite suspicious. First he wanted to switch from BH to Gonzaw because mattchew's vote was "stuck" on gonzaw. He also stated that he was fine with lynching either BH or Gonzaw and cites Sandroba's support being one of his reasons for support gonzaw lynch. However, after the no-lynch he started the blame game in a very noncommittal manner, vaguely alluding to people responsible for the gonzaw wagon when BH and austin wagons were "well established". Now, who is responsible for Gonzaw wagon? Sandroba and Probulous, the former who is considered nearly confirmed town by this point! He also says people who "threw their vote away" are also under scrutiny, but they certainly didn't come under any scrutiny from Mr. Meapak.

It's also worth nothing that Meapak hadn't voted at all until he showed up 45 minutes before the lynch when BH wagon was the dominant one. He had to vote, so he pretty much had no choice but to vote BH at the time.

It doesn't get much more passive than this:





At the time Meapak is still sure that BH is mafia (though for some reason he writes a case on Rastaban instaed), but right after saying he thinks Zealos is mafia he weakly asks BH to write a case on Zealos.

Now he, just like Palmar was, is barely posting and doesn't seem to care at all.

On July 25 2012 06:32 marvellosity wrote:
Oki doki, here are my thoughts (so you can hold me accountable, VE )

Meapak_Ziph: Yeah, there's a high likelihood he's scum. syllogism pre-empted what I was going to say about him a couple of pages ago:

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Passivity is the name of the game. I have two recent memories of Meapak playing town, that is Liar mafia and LV. In Liar Mafia Meapak was a central figure, being a part of the meapak/gonzaw/ET town circle. More pertinently, in LV he believed he had found scum in VisceraEyes, and what did he do? He made a big case and then relentlessly pushed VE until he got his lynch. We have none of this here. Here he has 'found scum' in rastaban and makes a case. Except he never pushes anyone to lynch rastaban, even though he pops up on occasion to go "yeah rastaban is still scum" and the like. Meapak is uninvested and scum.

On July 22 2012 09:25 Katina wrote:
Meapak: Picks on easy targets for the most part. The only one he hard pushs is rastaban who hasn't been too active this game. He makes for an easy target. Meapak continues to push rastaban when it's clear that no one is going to go for it. His Mafia list is pretty meh, As I said the only hard read he has been pushing is rastaban to try and make it look like he's scum hunting so he doesn't draw too much suspicion.

On July 25 2012 17:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
sigh I guess I better do this one real quick as well.



You gotta do better than this supersoft.

On July 25 2012 18:35 supersoft wrote:
gonzaw is no threat*** compared to meapak. if we let him get away like that today we give town a wrong signal. and if we dont survive until tomorrow, he might use this to his advantage and to cast doubt. we have to get rid of him as long as we're still alive.
i am not at all disagreeing with a gonzawlynch, but i think he can wait since he has no pull at all.

On July 25 2012 18:52 risk.nuke wrote:
Supersoft what kind of argument is that? Kill MZ because if every sensible person dies he's going to manipulate the town if he's scum. What's with the damn unwillingness to lynch actuall scum. We got people I've felt like nearly everyone agrees are scummy, like zealous or rastaban but somehow they don't die.

I'm going to vote Zealous now and everyone who's interested in killing scum should join in.
##Vote Zealous

On July 26 2012 06:58 gonzaw wrote:
We still have 24 hours or more, this isn't coming down to a "gonzaw vs Meapak" lynch just because syllo/supersoft says so.

On July 26 2012 07:28 supersoft wrote:
sloosh didn't push my lynch, because he knew that I was saying the truth. You basically delivered a good point there. Thanks!

On July 26 2012 07:36 gonzaw wrote:


Are we going to go through the same shit from Bang Bang?

On July 26 2012 07:38 supersoft wrote:


I already realized that you try to mirror this play.

On July 26 2012 07:45 marvellosity wrote:


deadline isn't for 25 hours...