EPTThere's nothing to explain, it's like the second post in the game and it makes a lot of sense. If someone has been going tunnel city on someone else and then next day they completely ignore it I think it's worth lynching into.
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6782 Posts
There's nothing to explain, it's like the second post in the game and it makes a lot of sense. If someone has been going tunnel city on someone else and then next day they completely ignore it I think it's worth lynching into. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On July 17 2012 01:55 supersoft wrote: what exactly is your case about? What do you think of MZ? It's not my case -_- But BH voted strangely in his switch from Chezinu to MZ (the position that he took on Chezinu was pretty much a pressure to get him to change his style yet when MZ did something very similar, BH considers it scummy (yes I see the FoS without calling scum thing, I don't consider it very strong at all: I don't think anyone is arguing that Chezinu is scum - more that his playstyle is good for scum and bad for town)). He ignored Probulous for an illogical reason. And the way in which he's posting makes it seem as if he's coming up with reasons for his actions after he actually does them. I don't have a strong read on MZ. He seems to be sincere in his dislike of the way Chezinu/q-bert are playing but it's a position that is fairly easy for scum to take too. | ||
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Katina
United States454 Posts
Palmar is Mafia: He puts out the idea of a random lynch and tries to convince the town to go with it. Random lynches are a bad idea, yes there are a lot of mafia but there are more townies. There's a higher chance of hitting a townie D1 which I rather not have happen. Palmar's defenses and responses to other people are pretty interesting and lacking to say the least. Here are a couple recent ones that I pulled from his filter. When Marv confronted Palmar and asked his to share this is how Palmar replied On July 16 2012 21:21 Palmar wrote: I don't want to talk to you anymore marvellosity Then a couple of pages later comes back with this On July 17 2012 00:00 Palmar wrote: I hate you guys. I thought it was interesting and wanted to bring attention to him. Palmar as isn't playing like his "Usual" self this game. He hasn't started up his play of calling people idiots and chewing them out for disagreeing with him. Instead he has been trying to keep his mouth shut in case he gets a few people a little too angry and the votes start shifting towards him. As for BH, I'm not too sure about him yet. I'm going to wait to see more until I make a decision on him. Kurumi: I'm leaning suspicious on. I have been in enough games with him where he's been Mafia to have a good idea of how he plays. So far he hasn't been as obnoxious and confusing as he has been previously in other games but there is still enough to make me be weary. Until I see more I'm going to keep an eye on him. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On July 17 2012 01:53 supersoft wrote: Facts: - he posted these thoughts sponaneously, in a conversation with me with almost no time to rethink this stuff. - therefor I believe he honestly posted his thoughts. - there is some logic behind that and he's following his thoughts up with votes. I don't agree with him, but I cannot deny that this might be a possible scenario. someone has to be manager and someone has to be CEO. - His assumption only makes any sense if he's town. As scum this assumptions would be a complete overkill. - therefor I don't think he's scum. I don't agree at all. It's blazinghand we are talking about here not kurumi (apologies in advance, but you area bit crazy when you roll town. In fact you look red this game =P) . That thought process is either from someone who doesn't know better or someone who is pretending to do so. As sensible town, which from his previous games I'm certain he is capable of being he would analyze it from the perspective that either syllo or me or whoever he is jumping on currrently could be town and mistaken about him and see if that makes sense based on what he posted and the reasons we gave to finding him scummy. This decent role play right now doesn't magically erase how he completely botched his previous one. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On July 17 2012 01:56 Blazinghand wrote: You see a case you think is good, and you voted. This is not something syllo did. Are you being intentionally obtuse, or is this actually what you think? syllo hasn't been in the thread since you made your response. I don't consider it suspicious that he withheld his vote when I myself did not vote until I saw the response that you made. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On July 17 2012 01:56 Blazinghand wrote: You see a case you think is good, and you voted. This is not something syllo did. Are you being intentionally obtuse, or is this actually what you think? Doesn't mean anything about syllo's alignment. He could be mafia or could be town, we have yet to see. The case wasn't that good until you responded to the pressure. | ||
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Katina
United States454 Posts
##Vote Palmar | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On July 17 2012 02:10 Katina wrote: Almost forgot ##Vote Palmar Now this is getting entertaining. More please? | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On July 17 2012 02:07 sandroba wrote: I don't agree at all. It's blazinghand we are talking about here not kurumi (apologies in advance, but you area bit crazy when you roll town. In fact you look red this game =P) . That thought process is either from someone who doesn't know better or someone who is pretending to do so. As sensible town, which from his previous games I'm certain he is capable of being he would analyze it from the perspective that either syllo or me or whoever he is jumping on currrently could be town and mistaken about him and see if that makes sense based on what he posted and the reasons we gave to finding him scummy. This decent role play right now doesn't magically erase how he completely botched his previous one. Mh well i didn't look at previous games of this fellow. I have to think about it. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On July 17 2012 02:07 Katina wrote: Okay, I have read through the thread and I will give my thoughts so far. Palmar is Mafia: He puts out the idea of a random lynch and tries to convince the town to go with it. Random lynches are a bad idea, yes there are a lot of mafia but there are more townies. There's a higher chance of hitting a townie D1 which I rather not have happen. Palmar's defenses and responses to other people are pretty interesting and lacking to say the least. Here are a couple recent ones that I pulled from his filter. When Marv confronted Palmar and asked his to share this is how Palmar replied Then a couple of pages later comes back with this I thought it was interesting and wanted to bring attention to him. Palmar as isn't playing like his "Usual" self this game. He hasn't started up his play of calling people idiots and chewing them out for disagreeing with him. Instead he has been trying to keep his mouth shut in case he gets a few people a little too angry and the votes start shifting towards him. As for BH, I'm not too sure about him yet. I'm going to wait to see more until I make a decision on him. Kurumi: I'm leaning suspicious on. I have been in enough games with him where he's been Mafia to have a good idea of how he plays. So far he hasn't been as obnoxious and confusing as he has been previously in other games but there is still enough to make me be weary. Until I see more I'm going to keep an eye on him. This is an awful post. A. You clearly did not read austin's post here + Show Spoiler + On July 16 2012 22:17 austinmcc wrote: Ummmm, did nobody read iGrok's game? The %s may be higher here, but a random lynch still isn't anything but a discussion-generator. That game was 2 scum 1 SK 8 town, 3/11 or 27% chance to hit non-town on a random lynch. This is 9/27, 33% chance. Not higher enough to really matter. I like the discussion of causing chaos to mess with mafia, to some extent. Just like with the Sleeper Cell games, this isn't normal mafia. Town have the numbers advantage, and, for now, are more or less on even footing information-wise. Scum don't have an advantage UNTIL they get organized. Some forms of being chaotic would be equally harmful to both factions, other forms would be more harmful to town (higher numbers). However, I don't support trying to cause chaos, because we don't know (and can't know) when mafia will get organized. We can speculate all we want about how many cycles it could take, and how each of us would communicate with mafia underlings were we CEO (see sleeper cell...II? for message speculation), but, especially given the vague comments about censoring messages made by hosts, we just don't know whether mafia can get fully organized, or how long that would take. At some point, IF they can organize, any chaos we cause only hurts town and no longer hurts mafia. Not good. B. His response to Marv is also explained in that same post The point is that you can't really explain that in the thread (hence why I didn't) because as soon as everyone realizes you're meant to argue about whether you actually follow through with the random lynch, instead of just executing it, everyone will start thinking about it like a normal case based on analysis, and the advantage will have been lost. ..C. The "I hate you all" post was (i think) in response to Austin post, because it says explicitly that it cant be explained in thread or it is ruined. D. Palmar does call us all stupid On July 16 2012 21:29 Palmar wrote: I should've signed up with two accounts, that way I'd at least have someone intelligent to talk to. When Katina posts this bad she is scum. I think Katina is scum. ##vote Katina Another post that I liked was this On July 16 2012 15:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I almost... It'd be irresponsible to call someone scum after one post.... just want to put this out there That is some Grade A carefullness, right there. Those phrases in particular are very passive. [/QUOTE] | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On July 17 2012 02:10 supersoft wrote: yes of course, but do you think it's worth mentioning? This stuff is common sense. dont you think that these thought are rather thoughts a scumplayer has, because he has to control and plan who he accuses? No. I think in this game in particular, since most scum don't know each other, I think they will even more try to fit the "I must think and act like a townie" and try to represent that in thread, because it's the easier and most effective way to play day 1 with no information. What I'm seeing from BH is exactly that, a forceful and exaggerated caricature with no real purpose behind it, if not the one of looking townie. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
Palmar, since I am an idiot (the first step is admitting right), can you explain to me why syllogism is scum to you? | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6782 Posts
Marvellosity Blazinghand Rastaban Supersoft Scum or town, go. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On July 17 2012 01:35 Blazinghand wrote: + Show Spoiler + Oh my lord, you're right. Syllo's managed to make several posts without actually comitting to anything at all. I take it all back, he's the scum here. He agrees with Sandro on me, but doesn't do anything about it. He would "like to lynch" probulous, but doesn't vote him. I've seen the light. ##unvote ##vote: syllogism die scum oh this makes his stuff look artificial... looks like he doesn't believe his own words. ahm okay. maybe i was wrong. BH can you link me like 2 recent towngames of you please? | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On July 17 2012 02:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Palmar since you're here you and I are going to play a lighting round. Marvellosity Blazinghand Rastaban Supersoft Scum or town, go. Go home pawn. You're boring. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On July 17 2012 02:18 sandroba wrote: No. I think in this game in particular, since most scum don't know each other, I think they will even more try to fit the "I must think and act like a townie" and try to represent that in thread, because it's the easier and most effective way to play day 1 with no information. What I'm seeing from BH is exactly that, a forceful and exaggerated caricature with no real purpose behind it, if not the one of looking townie. ah lol that post of mine belongs to my conversation with MZ :D On July 17 2012 02:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: There's nothing to explain, it's like the second post in the game and it makes a lot of sense. If someone has been going tunnel city on someone else and then next day they completely ignore it I think it's worth lynching into. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On July 17 2012 02:21 supersoft wrote: oh this makes his stuff look artificial... looks like he doesn't believe his own words. ahm okay. maybe i was wrong. BH can you link me like 2 recent towngames of you please? BH being all over the place and aggressive is like, the definition of his town play. If he offers to eat his hat (and turns out to be wrong) in the next ~5 posts he's like basically confirmed town | ||
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