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On July 18 2012 13:41 HiroPro wrote:
Am i the only one uncomfortable with switching to a candidate who had a stolen vote on him.
I am as well, however ultimately, whether scum is trying to actively save or simply mislead, it's a WIFOM question. I think a simpler answer would be that they're simply trying to force a no lynch but even that is speculation. I have yet to find anything that would make me question the gonzaw case so I'm becoming slightly more happy with the switch.
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On July 18 2012 13:45 slOosh wrote:
!!!
Can't let no lynch happen.
##Unvote
##Vote BH
ok this is good, now we only need 1 person to switch to BH. With that in mind, if there's anyone from the gonzaw list who shows up and refuses to switch I'm all for lynching them tomorrow.
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On July 18 2012 13:49 Bill Murray wrote:
1) I haven't seen BH's posting at all - I am not caught up - it was a ploy
2) I HAVE seen Gonzaw make excuses
I don't like excuses
ok you can die tomorrow
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If given the choice I'd rather kill you BH.
Switch please Bill.
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There is a fairly extensive list of people responsible for this debacle and it starts with people who started the gonzaw wagon when austin and BH were already well established. Also under scruitiny should be anyone who voted for one of the non main targets. They essentially threw their vote away which does not help us at all.
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Fuck
1 in the hand versus 2 in the bush I guess.
If there's a vigi they need to hit kurumi tonight, otherwise we'll waste an entire day tomorrow.
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so foolishness, rather than argue with sandroba (which only makes you look worse), why don't you make one of those excellent posts you're famous for. Right now it doesn't look like you care too much about this game and are mad because sandro called you on it. Leaving who was at fault for the no lynch for a second, it's high time you came out with some suspects and reasons for those suspects. Something along the line of the post VE quoted from the other game.
We all know how town foolishness should be playing, when you don't do that it's very obvious.
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On July 18 2012 22:23 rastaban wrote:
Can we calm down on the insults on RoL, he can't defend himself and regardless of if he screwed town or not it isn't helping us now.
I think this is my first game with "Nukes" and it is closed so they are very confusing for me. Is it standard for people to be given duds? Even if it is does the launcher usually know it is a dud, I would think that would be something they wouldn't be privy to. Lastly BH, if you really are town can you explain your block since it has been used now, I am asking because is it possible it blocks the last Nuke fired?
RoL while lazy/absent much of the game actually was major contributor to the town win in Bang Bang, I find it incredibly hard to believe the story he knew K wouldn't be hit.
Foolishness is usually useless day one, and ramps up day 2 (why they try and kill him so fast) what surprises me is at least in my previous game he was open about it, this game he seems to be trying to hard to look like a contributor day 1. Of course he is amazing at outing scum when town so lets see if he has better reasoning if he survives the night.
That said, Kurumi needs to die, I don't trust a shot anymore (Sorry Palmar I thought you were crazy for wanting to lynch her, I had no clue nukes were so un-sure).
I still want to kill rastaban for continuing to be useless and contributing without contributing.
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On July 19 2012 05:44 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 05:40 marvellosity wrote:
pretty likely scum. from what i've seen he doesn't really afk as town yet he got himself modkilled as scum in LV for no apparent reason.
Flip flopping on BH due to his self-vote past the deadline. Now I don't particularly like that either, but it's not like he didn't admit to it straight away. Then he's justifying his read with the crap about influential town Kurumi.
clearly smacks of not reading the thread and if you're attempting to make a case knowing nothing about thread happenings then actually you're just shitting things up = scum.  Everyone please read the last 3/4 page with Zealos and his filter. He's scum.
Completely agree.
I'm glad we didn't end up lynching gonzaw. I've reread the parts I've skimmed and while I recognize that gonzaw hasn't been acting like his usual self, I do think the fact that he's playing in multiple games can account for some of it. Also his last post shows that he's paying attention and is at least trying to contribute which is more than can be said for some people.
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On July 19 2012 06:27 wherebugsgo wrote:Okay, several things: I can confirm that there is at least one messaging power that can be used on townies. I received this after the daypost: Show nested quote +Congratulations! You tripped down some stairs and hit your head. When you woke up, you realized that you were actually a member of the House Chezinu!
That's right! You are now part of the third party, House Chezinu! The first order of business is to get out there and make it known to the world! You'll need some more members to get this really rolling, so spread the word and get recruiting! Once a cycle, you may recruit someone. Simply type "##Recruit: <name> in the thread, and you will be able to recruit a new member! You may use this ability once per day! (Once per cycle, at night) However, you may only have a total of three members besides yourself.
You're part of House Chezinu, so you're above win conditions. (You're already part of House Chezinu, what more do you need to win?) But maybe you can unite the workers in a glorious revolution!
P.S., There's no House Chezinu like a house with Chezinu. Just sayin. And I confirmed with the host that this is a player-sent message. Secondly we have two near-confirmed scum in Kurumi and Zealos. If you're a vig or you have any sort of night KP it might be a good idea to kill them given that tomorrow will likely be a wash if they're alive.
bugs it doesn't sound like you have a townie wincon anymore.
I had you as a pretty strong town read before so this is rather annoying.
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On July 19 2012 06:38 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 06:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 19 2012 06:27 wherebugsgo wrote:Okay, several things: I can confirm that there is at least one messaging power that can be used on townies. I received this after the daypost: Congratulations! You tripped down some stairs and hit your head. When you woke up, you realized that you were actually a member of the House Chezinu!
That's right! You are now part of the third party, House Chezinu! The first order of business is to get out there and make it known to the world! You'll need some more members to get this really rolling, so spread the word and get recruiting! Once a cycle, you may recruit someone. Simply type "##Recruit: <name> in the thread, and you will be able to recruit a new member! You may use this ability once per day! (Once per cycle, at night) However, you may only have a total of three members besides yourself.
You're part of House Chezinu, so you're above win conditions. (You're already part of House Chezinu, what more do you need to win?) But maybe you can unite the workers in a glorious revolution!
P.S., There's no House Chezinu like a house with Chezinu. Just sayin. And I confirmed with the host that this is a player-sent message. Secondly we have two near-confirmed scum in Kurumi and Zealos. If you're a vig or you have any sort of night KP it might be a good idea to kill them given that tomorrow will likely be a wash if they're alive. bugs it doesn't sound like you have a townie wincon anymore. I had you as a pretty strong town read before so this is rather annoying. You realize that's not a mod PM, meapak. It's likely a player sending a fake message...
skipped what bugs said -_-
bugs are you going to try that command out to see what happens?
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On July 19 2012 06:52 wherebugsgo wrote:
And no, I'm not going to use that command. In fact I'm suspicious of you for asking because it's possible scum rigged that as a keyword for a bomb placed on me.
Actually I had considered that. I didn't ask you to use it, simply if you were going to.
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On July 19 2012 06:56 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 06:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 19 2012 06:52 wherebugsgo wrote:
And no, I'm not going to use that command. In fact I'm suspicious of you for asking because it's possible scum rigged that as a keyword for a bomb placed on me.
Actually I had considered that. I didn't ask you to use it, simply if you were going to. MZ if you had a gun right now, who would you shoot?
kurumi
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but that's an easy answer. If kurumi is out of the equation (and zealos) I would probably shoot blazinghand or rastaban. BH because I'm still confident he's scum and his flip with the night post would really help clarify what happened yesterday. I'd shoot rastaban because I'm very certain he's scum but we have a huge backlog of other people who need to be dealt with first so we won't get around to him for a couple of days, I'd like to expedite that process.
I'm going out for a bit, be back later.
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I have had my vote stolen for the entire cycle.
Also I really don't like the idea of not killing kurumi today. The last thing we need to do is give up an easy scum kill.
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On July 19 2012 10:23 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 10:19 layabout wrote:On July 19 2012 10:08 HiroPro wrote:
Also, you still did not explain why a town Zealos would ever try to argue that BH was trying to buddy "influential townie" Kurumi. I have a very low opinion of town Zealos and that i something i think he could do if e hadn't been reading the thread. What you said he did was not accurate and this play from Zealos reminds me very much of how he acted at the end of Bang Bang mafia 2. Zealos said that he would vote for Blazinghand and not come back for the rest of the day. If he is town and he cares then he will come back and try to be productive there is nothing to stop him doing this as mafia but if he doesn't do it he is probably mafia and we should lynch him. Let me read Bang Bang. I will come back after I have read his filter from that game.
While you're rereading bang bang, have a look at rastaban as well.
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On July 19 2012 10:26 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 10:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 19 2012 10:23 HiroPro wrote:On July 19 2012 10:19 layabout wrote:On July 19 2012 10:08 HiroPro wrote:
Also, you still did not explain why a town Zealos would ever try to argue that BH was trying to buddy "influential townie" Kurumi. I have a very low opinion of town Zealos and that i something i think he could do if e hadn't been reading the thread. What you said he did was not accurate and this play from Zealos reminds me very much of how he acted at the end of Bang Bang mafia 2. Zealos said that he would vote for Blazinghand and not come back for the rest of the day. If he is town and he cares then he will come back and try to be productive there is nothing to stop him doing this as mafia but if he doesn't do it he is probably mafia and we should lynch him. Let me read Bang Bang. I will come back after I have read his filter from that game. While you're rereading bang bang, have a look at rastaban as well. Explain your rastaban case to me please. I did not find your inital thing very strong.
Yeah I understand people haven't been thrilled with it yet so I'm going to formally write an analysis up later tonight.
On July 19 2012 10:28 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 10:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I have had my vote stolen for the entire cycle.
Also I really don't like the idea of not killing kurumi today. The last thing we need to do is give up an easy scum kill. When did you learn this? Mattchew told us about it during the day.
looking at the time stamps it was about 45 minutes after the day post so I think it's likely this was a day action as well, I find it odd that it would be used so soon though.
On July 19 2012 12:20 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 10:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I have had my vote stolen for the entire cycle.
Also I really don't like the idea of not killing kurumi today. The last thing we need to do is give up an easy scum kill. It doesn't matter if your vote was stolen, just vote.
No actually. If I do people will claim that I was faking the whole stealing thing in the first place. I'd rather see where whoever is controlling my vote (most likely scum) puts it. When I don't get modkilled for failure to vote people will have confirmation that this is a real role. This also clears mattchew to a certain extent because we know he wasn't faking his claim. He could of course still be scum but at least he's not lying just to muddy the waters.
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Alright guys let’s talk rastaban. The first thing that caught my eye was, conveniently, his first post so let’s start there.
On July 16 2012 23:32 rastaban wrote:Caught up now, thoughts so far: First off the random vote is a bad idea, normally the reason it is used is to eliminate mafia influence, but guess what the mafia don't know who each other are so this lynch will be without their influence anyway. We have a golden opportunity to have a lynch today with mafia having to base their judgments on reads, and make hard choices while not able to communicate. Fellow employees do not squander this opportunity! This leads to my second point, Lynching scum doesn't put someone in the clear, especially this early in the game. They don't know who each other is so they can lynch themselves, so look for sound reasoning not just who they voted for. @ HiroPro Third yes mafia only has 1 KP see: Show nested quote +Extra Information:
The mafia kill process goes like this:
Every day, all mafia members except for the CEO send in a name on who they wish to kill. Then, the CEO must choose to kill one player on the list by the night deadline. Fourth, While I think a Policy lynch on claiming blues is bad, I do think you bring up a very valid point. As you mention 1 for 1 may not be a bad trade for them so I think we should certainly be extra wary of any claimants and possibly lynch the claimant if it seems fishy, but I think a Policy is going a bit too far. OK so thats my setup review / plans post, I am now working on locating scum so I will follow up in a bit with my thoughts on who to lynch.
This post is a whole lot of fluff. The game has been going on for a while when he makes this and there’s plenty to discuss however rastaban is more comfortable discussing the setup. This is a red flag, this type of post is something you make right after the game starts, not when the game has been going on and there are actual issues that can be addressed.
To continue with this theme we have posts like this:
On July 17 2012 00:19 rastaban wrote:
Wait I just realized it said "one" of them in those posts. I had thought they sent out a message to all their followers at once, but it means instead of the above example, at most the high up, could tell one other person to try and save him. That means only 2 scum detractors at most from any lynch today
Again, it’s just talking about the setup instead of actually scumhunting.
Let’s look at the next two posts together:
On July 17 2012 01:37 rastaban wrote:
@BH
What is this??? the only way someone could vote you is if they are scum, do you really believe you are that town?
Your latest post is so crazy I almost think it is a joke.
On July 17 2012 03:54 rastaban wrote:
VE both games I have played with you you pushed someone incredibly hard day 1, why do you want to do a random lynch, cant you find any scum this time?
Both these posts serve no purpose. Does rastaban think either of these two are scummy? Who knows. He says that BH is so crazy he almost thinks it’s a joke but gives us no read. Similarly with VE, he mentions how VE’s behavior is different than what he’s observed but gives no read.
After a nice little wagon has built up on BH, rastaban finally feels confident calling for someone’s death:
On July 17 2012 05:18 rastaban wrote:
I like the case on BH better than the on Mz right. I feel GGQ is right in his assessment that mafia will use the lack of ties to make them more bold in their case rather than second guessing. Look at my play as Serial Killer, I decided to try and play as pro town as possible, I ended up going overboard and tunneling risk.nuke in my effort. I feel like MZ's caution is the sign of town who wants to get things right rather than scum who wants to get the day over with. Think about it we still have more than 24 hours of discussion to go.
As others have also pointed out, he is also trying too hard to find reasons for his votes, it makes them seem fake.
##vote blazinghand
He like the case on BH better than the one on me but spends most of the post talking about something other than his reasons for voting BH.
Ultimately, rastaban’s vote seems like it is available to whichever candidate is currently the flavor of the hour:
On July 17 2012 13:29 rastaban wrote:
Sylo also looks like a good target, and while his actions are Scummy I recommend the Ace method, when two people both look like scum start by lynching the player you have more content on. We can give Sylo till tomorrow to improve if need be, and lynch this scum BH he has so much content and it all points one way
On July 18 2012 11:33 rastaban wrote:
I like the BH LYnch better but I could go for lymching Austin as well mainly because the only defense for him is it's so scummy scum wouldn't do it. I have mis-lynched gonzaw before and this case on him doesn't seem that strong. That said his reaction is quite different than in bang bang so I would take over a nolynch if we can't get BH or Austin stung up.
On July 18 2012 12:32 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 12:26 Mattchew wrote:
I think Gonzaw is overwhelmed (not enough time) and that very much plays into why his meta would seem off. His confidence seems to be gone without being able to be the most dominant (usually by sheer volume) poster in the thread. I think this is the first time I have ever seen this little filter out of him and I think this all stems from not having enough time. I think his reactions and posts are sincere and truthful I see u are on MZ. Gonzaw and mh are our leading candidates and it looks like I agree to give gonzaw a bit more time. Will u switch to MH?
On July 18 2012 12:57 rastaban wrote:
Sorry guys but I have to head to bed. I think the momentum is swinging back to BH so I will leave my vote where it is.
The last post really betrays rastaban’s strategy. He “agrees” with the every case that was brought up d1 however he sticks with BH because that’s where the momentum is. This just screams scum trying to fit in. He’s not going to argue hard for the BH lynch, he won’t stick his neck out by switching to another candidate but he’ll agree with the argument against that person just to be in agreement. Finally, he chooses to go with BH because it’s the one that seems the least controversial.
This may not be a very elegant post but it should get the point across and I need sleep. I’ll be happy to answer any questions when I wake up.
tl;dr rastaban needs to die at some point.
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Everyone should be taking this time to post their various cases that they have. Since we already have our lynch for today, let's not waste it by voting and chilling. Let's still try and garner some use out of the day.
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On July 20 2012 04:01 HiroPro wrote:
MZ, you think Zealos is scum?
I do actually. He came in, was under some pressure, and then promptly checked out once he was safe. To me that's always extremely scummy. If you were a serious lynch target you had better work your ass off to give town reason to keep you around next time. Zealos hasn't done that.
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