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Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 17 2012 06:18 GMT
#717
On July 17 2012 14:50 gonzaw wrote:
For fucks sake that took me like 3 hours, fucking hell.

On July 17 2012 04:03 gonzaw wrote:
Holy shit I've read the voting thread and its chaotic as fuck.

On July 17 2012 06:58 gonzaw wrote:
This mass vote-swing towards Kurumi is suspicious as fuck


Dude. It's a game. Getting tired of this. Save your swearing for when it's warranted, and keep the town environment a little friendlier.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 17 2012 08:25 GMT
#741
On July 17 2012 16:09 Chezinu wrote:
Hey guys, do you remember when people did not believe than a non-clue game would work? Do you remember what happened after a few non-clue games were hosted? Behavior analysis was proven to be true..

Hey guys, do you remember when people use to think a random lynch was a good idea? Do you remember what happened after a few nukes when off? Nukes were proven to be true..

Hey guys, do you remember when people use to think that Chezinu was unreadable? Do you remember what happened after people tried to analyze Chezinu? Chezinu was proven to be Chezinu..


Chezinu is Truth.

Layabout
Bill Murray
austinmcc
GGQ

My friends, you need to speak up more. I must say my suspicions are rising because of your lack of contribution. Especially GGQ, who has been around and still not contributed.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 17 2012 21:15 GMT
#920
Hello, good sirs.

Forgive my presumptuous lack of presence lately, i have been in the midst of some RL stuff that has had me busy. I'm currently waiting for my plane, and i don't know if my flight will get in by the deadline, especially since I'm not sure when it is... As such i will be voting for GGQ to be fired, for reasons i hope to post before the deadline. I will post them after the meeting, if i do not make it in time.

I have not caught up with everything yet, i will say that palmar has been making a lot of sense to me from what I've read. Again, more on that once i get some time tomorrow.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 18 2012 03:51 GMT
#1141
Sorry gentlemen, I've just got back, and still have to take care of a few things (if you know what I mean), but from my brief read-through of stuff that has happened, I believe that while Gonzaw hasn't been playing well, I think that this is due to his multiple other jobs.

Since GGQ looks like a forlorn hope, I will vote BH now, as I believe the arguments against him are stronger. (Stronger of the two up for lynch, that is.)

##Vote: BlazingHands
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 18 2012 05:30 GMT
#1290
Very strange circumstances. It would seem that The Legend thought that Kurumi wasn't scum. Why would The Legend think that?
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 18 2012 21:58 GMT
#1493
My fellow workers, it seems you have all been busy. I must take full responsibility for all of this spammy play, I forgot to hang the motivational posters, and encourage smart working, instead of hard working!

To answer those of you who asked for an explanation, I shall oblige you, and aqueous to your request for more information on my whereabouts before the lynch.

Long and short, traveling. I spent a good portion of my time in the air yesterday, and wasn't able to participate. I did put my vote on Sir Blazing once I saw that the only two likely lynches were the aforementioned Sir Blazing, and Gone Zzz. At that point I had landed but was still in transit, so I was able to monitor the thread to some extent in case my vote was needed elsewhere, but Sir Blazing remained the best place for my vote. Hope that clears things up for you.

Now, onto business. If the Mafia indeed have KP as Kurumi's existence would suggest, I have no doubt that the town will also have KP of it's own. People have suggested a night shot on Kurumi, however I must protest against such an action as it has denies the primary function of a vigilante type role: That of being able to shoot those scum you cannot lynch. Save Vig shots for lurkers, and people you can't build cases on. Save the lynch for obvious scum. (Unless you want to no-lynch tomorrow too.)

Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 18 2012 22:39 GMT
#1522
On July 19 2012 07:01 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 06:58 Q-bert-Z wrote:
My fellow workers, it seems you have all been busy. I must take full responsibility for all of this spammy play, I forgot to hang the motivational posters, and encourage smart working, instead of hard working!

To answer those of you who asked for an explanation, I shall oblige you, and aqueous to your request for more information on my whereabouts before the lynch.

Long and short, traveling. I spent a good portion of my time in the air yesterday, and wasn't able to participate. I did put my vote on Sir Blazing once I saw that the only two likely lynches were the aforementioned Sir Blazing, and Gone Zzz. At that point I had landed but was still in transit, so I was able to monitor the thread to some extent in case my vote was needed elsewhere, but Sir Blazing remained the best place for my vote. Hope that clears things up for you.

Now, onto business. If the Mafia indeed have KP as Kurumi's existence would suggest, I have no doubt that the town will also have KP of it's own. People have suggested a night shot on Kurumi, however I must protest against such an action as it has denies the primary function of a vigilante type role: That of being able to shoot those scum you cannot lynch. Save Vig shots for lurkers, and people you can't build cases on. Save the lynch for obvious scum. (Unless you want to no-lynch tomorrow too.)



Yes, you want to leave the guy with A CONFIRMED NUKE POWER alive for another day, on the off chance it is one shot use.

No, you and your stupid roleplaying has no use here. Kurumi dies tonight if there is a vig.


Forgive me, friend, but is it likely that the mafia have someone who can shoot two nukes? I'm obviously not as experienced as you, but wouldn't that be rather over powered and unlikely? Of course, I've heard of multi-shot vigs, but nukes are more powerful, and I can't recall anyone having more than one of them. If you can redirect me to a game where that has happened, I'd be much obliged.


Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 18 2012 23:12 GMT
#1530
My fellow workers, I have been given a mask from Chezinu. It looks serious, let's see what it does...

*puts on mask*

Most intriguing. It seems to do nothing. But it looks cool.

I found a book on the floor just now, I think it belongs to Palmar. It was written by Sun Tzu, and when I picked it up I found that it was turned to a page that said "“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle”

If we are to throw off the chains of tyranny we must understand the psyche of the those who would enslave us. The majority of them out there know nothing until the are contacted. Put yourself in the shoes of someone who is an enemy of the common worker, but is still at risk of being fired by those over him. They cannot appear too pro-worker or they may be shot. They cannot appear too pro-bureaucrat or they will be fired. If you ask me, this sounds like the position that a Mole is in, where they must focus on surviving the lay-offs. Palmar must have been the owner of the book, because he mentioned this earlier, but nobody really paid attention.

Welp, it's getting hot in here, so I'm going to take this thing off.

*takes mask off*

AMERICA!
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 19 2012 00:08 GMT
#1563
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 19 2012 09:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
[image loading]
The Ravings of a Supressed VisceraEyes


Kurumi, layabout, Zealos, Foolishness, Meapak_Ziphh, syllogism

In order from who should be dead to who I'd be least comfortable lynching.

Kurumi is as good as dead, so I'm not gonna say much. He's our best lynch tomorrow if he lives the night. I will say however that given his new lease on life, he's not doing much in the way of scum hunting and appears more interested in discrediting those who are and sowing doubt.

layabout is still doing very little. He's subdued and not actively engaging people as I'd expect him to do. His comeback post

+ Show Spoiler +
On July 18 2012 10:35 layabout wrote:
Not game relevant:

I think i am going to take a break from TL mafia. I had looked forward to this game for some time but now it's happening i can't bring myself to care. At some point during the last game something inside just snapped. There were a number of reasons for it and i was going to make a thread but then real life kicked in and i haven't had the time. Yesterday was my first day back to myself and i spent most of it away from my computer and most of my computer time on Blacklight: Retibution.

In spite of this i hate nothing more than asshats that don't play or people that are exempt from trying/playing because "It's player soandso" so i will try.

After i die i will bugger off.



I began writing a long post but i am tired and it reads like dogpoo.

Following sandro since the last time... well it worked out pretty well for town.
##vote gonzaw

I am not sure how he can think that both foolishness and syllogism are scum. He seems to be looking at the thread from a very different viewpoint.



Reads mostly like an Appeal to Emotion. Like…why not /out of the game if "something snapped last game"? Rather than stay /in to the game and do fuck-all? I don't know, it doesn't make sense to me. Also he says that he's voting for Gonzaw because "He seems to be looking at the thread from a very different viewpoint" but fails to elaborate on how or why other than "I'm not sure how he can think that both Foolishness and syllogism are scum"…which is funny because at this point that's where I'm at too.

Zealos is playing very much like he did in MTG (I think?). I thought he was scum then for many of the same things I'm witnessing this game: lurking, not contributing, not caring about the lynch. I'd really like some of his thoughts in general, but he seems pigeonholed into posting about what's happening currently…which in my experience is a scum-tell (damage-control, attempting to look contributory, etc.) Also he appeals to emotion here:

+ Show Spoiler +
On July 19 2012 05:25 Zealos wrote:
Well this is a fun game to play :3



Nothing major or concrete - just my read.

Foolishness is on my radar. He's not really contributing much. He's sitting back and casting doubt on anyone who's suspicious of him. It reminds me heavily of the play of BC in Storm. He's not a credible lynch for tomorrow, but keep eyes on the Foolish one.

syllogism is pinging my scumdar mainly because of his read on Palmar. I've got a pretty hefty town-read on Palmar, mainly based on his reads. However, the fact that syllo has a scum read on one of my town reads isn't really the core of the issue. The core is the fact that it's SYLLOGISM and he's basing his read on TONE AND ATTITUDE.

Syllo is logical to a fault (look at his fucking name!) He says that in spite of agreeing with a lot of the content Palmar puts out, he thinks he's scum based on tone and attitude. Further, he doesn't even really say WHAT ABOUT Palmar's attitude/tone is indicative of scum.

MZ is scummy. Isn't contributing much and is conveniently absent for the lynch (iirc...I might be wrong as I wasn't here for the latter part.) My weakest read but one of Palmar's strongest...which warrants his name being in red since we agree at least.



Good sir, you had me very excited for a moment. I thought that this was a day-post full of delicious red.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 19 2012 00:46 GMT
#1607
##Vote: Kurumi
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 20 2012 06:13 GMT
#2087
Hello my co-workers. Please forgive my absence, thing have been quite busy in RL, I've been taking care of an ailing grandfather, and thought that I would have more time, but things have picked up as of late. I will contribute when I can, but it's not going to be much for a while.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 20 2012 07:47 GMT
#2107
A few things I'd like to point out:

There are (were) 27 people in this game. There are two regular sources of death: Lynch, and the Mafia KP. With no other KP it would take 4 perfect lynches, and 5 self-kills from the mafia for town to win in the shortest amount of time. That would still be a Day 6 victory. The shortest amount of time that the mafia could win in is Day 7, if I ran the numbers right.

That's a really really long game, considering it will almost certainly not be a perfect victory from either side (We already no-lynched also, so that doesn't help). What I'm trying to point out here, is that unless the mods decided to make a really really really long game, we are missing a LOT of KP.

While I opposed Kurumi being shot (initially), the rest of the town was fairly vocal about wanting him shot. But he wasn't. I don't think the mafia has a medic given the KP situation we have, and most vigs are oneshot, and claim after shooting? (Still not sure about that.

Anyways, I feel like we're missing a ton of information (like vets who have taken a hit, vigs who made a shot). Isn't it standard to claim those things?




Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 20 2012 07:56 GMT
#2109
As far as suspects, I can say before I sleep that Foolishness's play strikes me as...hidden. I feel like he's got a lot more going on than he's saying all at once, and that more or less agrees with what I know of him from his town play. Definetly not his lurk till day three then rape, but it doesn't strike me as scum. Either way not conclusive, and all around a bad lynch.

GGQ still reads scum to me, though there really hasn't been much change to what he's done since I last mentioned that.

Blazinghand looks like scum, with the exception of the amount of effort that he's putting into posting. (even if a lot of it isn't helpful)

If I were around tomorrow, I would push GGQ, but I'm not going to be. I agree with most of what has been said about Layabout and Zealos, and would vote for them if GGQ wasn't an option.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 20 2012 16:22 GMT
#2178
Am I missing something or did Mr Murray say that he also steals the power of the person he votes for? If so, that makes him more or less a role - checker... Why not have him steal sandroba's vote, and see if he gets a messaging power?

Or does that not count as a thread action? (Which, now that I think about it, seems likely)

BM, what kind of information do you receive when you steal someone's power? How do you know what power they have?
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 22 2012 23:06 GMT
#2704
Good day, fellow workers,

I see you have fared quite well in my absence. You are to be commended. As Mr. Murray said, my vote has been stolen. It seems we have a mass of claims. Very interesting, everyone wants to take credit for killing of The "meany head" Fool. To be honest, I don't blame them, I would want to participate in that glorious act too, so that I may also be recorded in the annals of the Kings of Chez, as the man who helped bring down the pillar of injustice! But alas, I fear I can claim no such act.

Of course, not everyone could have killed The Fool, so we must be careful to weed out those who would use this to further their own bureaucratic goals... I must admit that I am a little confused. Did the Risky Nuke actually claim to have shot The Fool also? Or was he just being silly.

As I was reading through the newspaper the other day, I realized that i had locked my keys in my car, and when I went to go get them, I accidentally bumped my head on the glass of the car door. It hurt a lot, but suddenly I realized something! If The Fool was the CEO, and knew that when he died people would look at who he pressured, what would he do? Would he live up to his name, or would he set up fake reads??? Was his pressure in the past present a defense for the present future? Was he pressuring people in the present future by defending them in the past present? Chezinu! What is your council?


Regardless, it would seem that things for the Brown Revolution are coming along swimmingly, but we still need your help, Minonz! You must Revolt for us to begin the earnest Rebuilding! Revolt against your overlords! Your CEO has been removed, quickly, now while they are still unorganized!


Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 22 2012 23:08 GMT
#2705
On July 23 2012 04:59 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 04:58 syllogism wrote:
Actually I copy pasted

If you aren't saying what I thought you were saying, then I'm not quite sure what you are saying

awww, I thought you would click the silly!


I clicked the silly. >_>
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 23 2012 20:57 GMT
#2866
Baa baa black sheep, have you any votes?
Yessir, three scum, have found a scape-goat.

What if a scum voted someone and everyone sheeped him? If sandroba jumped off a cliff would you follow him?

Once upon a time, there was a sheep who never gave opinions. The town lynched him then continued on to victory because they were able to hold people accountable for their votes!

But what am I saying. Those are just fairy tales.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 23 2012 20:58 GMT
#2867
On July 24 2012 05:52 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 05:45 supersoft wrote:
good god you have 11 filterpages of trash.

I got 12 pages of filter!

<3

And they are delicious!
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 24 2012 13:42 GMT
#3053
Hello again, you lovely bunch of people! I regret to inform you that I will be flying out today, to a location which I am told has no internet... I disbelieve this assessment, but nonetheless I will not have a computer, or time to play any more. I will do my best to give you the only thing I have left: my count as a townie. I will post and vote to avoid modkill, but I will likely not be able to read anything, or make intelligent votes. As my last act before turning into a carrot-like vegetable, i will urge you to listen to King Chez, and follow in his wise footsteps. Viva la brown revolution!

Q out.

P.S., Phone post from airport, yes i already asked for replacement. Don't know if they will allow it though. gl, hf, dd.
Q-bert-Z
Profile Joined October 2011
United States75 Posts
July 25 2012 03:51 GMT
#3256
mod-kill avoiding post...

I would also like to point out the fact that Chezinu, Bill Murray, and Viscera Eyes are all leading town discussion. What has happened to TLMafia?
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