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Like I said, if he was scum, why wouldn't he just claim "vig that can shoot from N2 onwards" or something? It doesn't make sense for him to fake-claim that as scum.
Because that isn't strange is it 
It's quite simple really. slOosh realised he was on the wrong end of the Foolishness thing and so decided to save his bacon with a claim. Problem is that he had to find an excuse not to shoot Kurumi night 1 so he made up a delay thing. Then when people quetioned his use of the word delay he had to make up something that explained it. There is no difference between his claim and a night 2 vig. They are both weird and don't make sense.
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I noted this earlier but I think I should come back to it
On July 16 2012 17:59 Palmar wrote:
As an alternative, sinani is trolling and taking part in dumb discussion so I'd be fine with killing him.
is remarkably similar to this
On February 13 2012 17:49 Palmar wrote:
I think we should murder sinani206. At worst nothing of value will have been lost.
From Werewolves where he was scum and successfully pushed for sinani's lynch. His efforts into labelling QBertz as sinani seem way over the top, especially that QBertz sounds nothing like sinani (could be roleplaying but I find it hard to believe QBertz is sinani).
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On July 16 2012 21:19 Palmar wrote:
This is of course assuming the analyst isn't terrible, but I'm not.
He obviously believes he is an amazing analyst so where is his analysis, let's take a look.
On July 16 2012 22:12 Palmar wrote:
note to self: sandroba confirmed scum.
In response to this
On July 16 2012 22:07 sandroba wrote:
Right I read through everything. I want to kill blazinghand. Smart people that disagree please post reasons!
So wrong on both accounts here. What about this
On July 17 2012 02:17 Palmar wrote:
I agree with BlazingHand let's kill syllogism. Nice catch supersoft.
Probably wrong as well. So next is MZ who could be scum, let's see the case
On July 17 2012 22:49 Palmar wrote:
MZ is one of my stronger scum suspicions. The main reason is the fact that he spent a lot of time chasing after opinions from me.
Now, asking people questions is generally good, but MZ has played with me enough times to understand that if I'm not going to answer something, I just don't. Nothing he can do can change that. If I'm intent on trolling, I will troll, and you can't do shit about it. He should be familiar with my personality now, so while someone like syllo just assumed I was trolling and ignored the issue, MZ kept harping on about getting me to respond.
Why would he do this? Not only is it an excellent way to contribute without ever risking contributing anything, because he was never going to get an answer for me, it's also a good set up for a later attack on me.
Not a normal palmar case. Where is the vehemence and fire and passion. Note how passive the bolded is. This is a case meant to fail.
+ Show Spoiler [Passive pushes for MZ lynch] +On July 17 2012 23:26 Palmar wrote:
But between lynching kurumi, and preferably killing MZ too, you have some time if you're town. On July 18 2012 00:52 Palmar wrote:
I have no problem with kurumi nuking rol as I already explained. And I don't think BH will flip scum. If you want to lynch someone else, MZ would be my first choice. On July 18 2012 05:32 Palmar wrote:
I also have no intention of lynching you right now, I want to lynch Kurumi, MZ, maybe gonzaw. I can only kill one guy a day On July 18 2012 05:35 Palmar wrote:
regarding GGQ, he's super lurky when he's scum, but he kinda is as town too. It's not a bad call to lynch him based on his day 1 posting right now, but I'd prefer MZ On July 18 2012 07:35 Palmar wrote:
Can we kill MZ instead pls? On July 18 2012 07:43 Palmar wrote:
for emphasis
##Vote Meapak
Then I post my initial case on Gonzaw and suddenly
On July 18 2012 09:37 Palmar wrote:
gonzaw is scum, you are correct. one million dollars for you bro.
On July 18 2012 22:42 Palmar wrote:
gonzaw is still 100% scum. So is meapak, and I'm pretty sure by now foolishness is one too.
On July 22 2012 00:47 Palmar wrote:
if you can shoot tonight kill foolishness, syllo, katina, BM, zealos etc
Palmar is known for his analysis which he clearly states in the early game. He is then wrong about Sandroba and BH straight away. Then when he pushes MZ he posts a case that is weak as shit and then never actually pushes it. He even pleads for us to vote MZ but never forces the issue, despite it being clear that we were looking for targets. His language is passive and nonconfrontational. Then when I post my case on Gonzaw suddenly Gonzaw is the flavour of the month and not MZ, despite his constant pleas to vote off MZ. Ok, maybe Gonzw was a more feasible lynch but why is his shoot to kill list devoid of his target he was pushing all Day 1? I'll tell you why because he realised that MZ is probably the other Executive.
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On July 23 2012 10:23 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 10:04 Probulous wrote:
Ok you two, what do you think about Foolishness going balls to the wall against Syllo and BM but not Palmar. Regarding Foolishness's Actions: On July 22 2012 12:15 Probulous wrote:
Palmar is interesting because he (Fool) was dead set on him being town but then changed later in the first day and into day 2 suggesting he got some new "news". Given his tunneling of Syllo who is town, I suspect BM received similar treatment. Compare the difference between his behaviour around Palmar and around Syllo, BM. The vehemence of his defense versus the pussy cat attack suggests he doesn't really want to lynch Palmar. I don't think Foo' ever said he wanted to lynch Palmar or even implied it.
On July 21 2012 01:49 Foolishness wrote:
It's fine to discuss potential lynch targets, the issue is that it is day two and literally every player has been accused. There's absolutely zero focus. One page people are talking about Zealos, 3 pages later it's about Chezinu. With so many cases it's hard to tell who is actually trying to make a case (townies) and who's just fueling the fire (mafia). From what I can see though the people of interest in this regard are Blazinghand (should be obvious by now), marvellosity, and HiroPro. supersoft, Mattchew, Probulous, Palmar and yourself are somewhat guilty but not to the same extent.
On July 21 2012 03:21 Foolishness wrote:
Sloosh, HiroPro, Bill Murray, MZ, austin, syllogism, GGQ, yourself, Kurumi, Mattchew, marvellosity, risk,nuke, Qbertz, Palmar, and Zealos.
On July 22 2012 02:32 Foolishness wrote:
Palmar - number of pages in filter by start of day 3 by game
Mafia
iGrok's Normal - 2.8
Emergency Mini - replaced in and had less than 1 page of filter
Liar game - 3.5
Werewolves - 2.5
Town
PYP redux - 3
JubJub - 4.2
Resistance 2 - 7 pages by start of Mission 3
Arkham City - 11.5
Mafia L - 3 pages at end of day 1 (he was lynched)
Election Mafia - 9 pages under hydra with syllogism.
This game you have barely made it to page 4....hmmm....
All soft accusations against him. Considering his absolute defense of Palmar Day 1, I consider this an accusation. My whole point is that he went out of his way to distance himself from his early defense without outright pushing Palmar like he did Syllo and BM.
Foolishness was discredited basically from the get-go, I don't think anyone ever took his cases seriously, I know I didn't (with his BM case at least).
I did. I took his original Syllo case very seriously. Are you reading the thread?
Prob, what do you think of Katina or Zealos, and why would you want to lynch Palmar instead of any of them?
Because I think he is more likely scum than those two. Zealos could be Zealos, could be town, could be scum. I mean Kurumi flipped town and we know Zealos wasn't reading the thread. Katina, right now is townie to me. I will always go back and reread but right now neither are deserving of the lynch. Both you guys have been absent and we have just killed two scum, but instead of trying to read carefully and see where we are coming from you jump into the thread with different targets and try to derail the lynch. Why? You don't present evidence for Palmar being town. Just that Palmar is Palmar.
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On July 23 2012 10:48 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 10:10 Probulous wrote:Like I said, if he was scum, why wouldn't he just claim "vig that can shoot from N2 onwards" or something? It doesn't make sense for him to fake-claim that as scum. Because that isn't strange is it It's quite simple really. slOosh realised he was on the wrong end of the Foolishness thing and so decided to save his bacon with a claim. Problem is that he had to find an excuse not to shoot Kurumi night 1 so he made up a delay thing. Then when people quetioned his use of the word delay he had to make up something that explained it. There is no difference between his claim and a night 2 vig. They are both weird and don't make sense. Foolishness flipped the CEO - no-one knew his identity! Why would I make such a claim up on the spot when I know that both town and scum could easily make the same mistake and continue to fly under everyone's radar, yet doing what I did would not hide, but expose the seemingly contradiction in my stance with Foolishness?
I agree that your choice to claim is strange. I just think your play up till this point does not match with your claim. So either you changed 180 degrees with no mention in the thread, or you are lying to put yourself back on towns` side.
It doesn't matter right now as I am intent on lynching Palmar. You can redeem yourself in my eyes by providing some insight into layabout, Gonzaw and Palmar. I know you are good at finding inconsistencies and motivations, help me out here.
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On July 23 2012 11:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
I misread you hard last game slOosh, likewise I'm sure. Your claim is...the same as two other peoples'. One of you is going to die tomorrow. Which one is it going to be? Take a guess?
Master VE, I hope the hat fits.
Would you have any aversion to lynching Palmar? Oh and what do you make of Gonzaw and layabout...
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it was from my phone if that means anything.
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OK people, getting Palmar lynched is not going to be easy since we have a lot of scum and it is majority lynch. Syllo, supersoft, VE and myself have either voted for him, and or pushed his case. Call it blackmail if you want but I am not moving my vote unless someone can tell me why Palmar is town. We know what happens when multiple targets for lynch are presented with about half a day before lynch time.
Right now it is 5:4 Palmar ealos. Zealos is not going to be able to disrupt the thread whilst Palmar is certainly capable of misleading us. I also think Palmar is an executive, thus to me it makes sense to lynch him first even if Zealos is scum.
Objections?
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Chez, no love for Palmar?
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Fair nuff, I know you will be back 
Can you explain the bank to me? I looked up Merc Mini where you were a bank but I didn't get the connection to this game.
Oh and this would be a nice clarification too
On July 23 2012 08:21 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 16:44 Chezinu wrote:
FYI, the message I sent on day 1 was never posted... Muahhahaha I control the minionz muahhahaha.. I wonder if the person I messaged was a chairman... I wonder if he still is following my orders... orders that will reveal to me all of the mafia!!! muahahhahaaha This went to BH didn't it?
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Still reading Chez, really interesting game.
@layabout
What are your opinions on Risk.Nuke and Meapak? Also your reasons for thinking Palmar is town are required.
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Okay worktime be over. I will pop into the thread later (maybe depends if I am lazy or not). If you are on Zealos, or want me to move my vote to someone other than Palmar, then I need an explanation of why he is town.
Thank you
Hail the Chezimites! Hail Lord Viscera!
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For those wavering. No one has commented on this
On July 23 2012 10:35 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 21:19 Palmar wrote:
This is of course assuming the analyst isn't terrible, but I'm not. He obviously believes he is an amazing analyst so where is his analysis, let's take a look. In response to this Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 22:07 sandroba wrote:
Right I read through everything. I want to kill blazinghand. Smart people that disagree please post reasons! So wrong on both accounts here. What about this Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 02:17 Palmar wrote:
I agree with BlazingHand let's kill syllogism. Nice catch supersoft. Probably wrong as well. So next is MZ who could be scum, let's see the case Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 22:49 Palmar wrote:
MZ is one of my stronger scum suspicions. The main reason is the fact that he spent a lot of time chasing after opinions from me.
Now, asking people questions is generally good, but MZ has played with me enough times to understand that if I'm not going to answer something, I just don't. Nothing he can do can change that. If I'm intent on trolling, I will troll, and you can't do shit about it. He should be familiar with my personality now, so while someone like syllo just assumed I was trolling and ignored the issue, MZ kept harping on about getting me to respond.
Why would he do this? Not only is it an excellent way to contribute without ever risking contributing anything, because he was never going to get an answer for me, it's also a good set up for a later attack on me. Not a normal palmar case. Where is the vehemence and fire and passion. Note how passive the bolded is. This is a case meant to fail. + Show Spoiler [Passive pushes for MZ lynch] +On July 17 2012 23:26 Palmar wrote:
But between lynching kurumi, and preferably killing MZ too, you have some time if you're town. On July 18 2012 00:52 Palmar wrote:
I have no problem with kurumi nuking rol as I already explained. And I don't think BH will flip scum. If you want to lynch someone else, MZ would be my first choice. On July 18 2012 05:32 Palmar wrote:
I also have no intention of lynching you right now, I want to lynch Kurumi, MZ, maybe gonzaw. I can only kill one guy a day On July 18 2012 05:35 Palmar wrote:
regarding GGQ, he's super lurky when he's scum, but he kinda is as town too. It's not a bad call to lynch him based on his day 1 posting right now, but I'd prefer MZ On July 18 2012 07:35 Palmar wrote:
Can we kill MZ instead pls? On July 18 2012 07:43 Palmar wrote:
for emphasis
##Vote Meapak Then I post my initial case on Gonzaw and suddenly Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 09:37 Palmar wrote:
gonzaw is scum, you are correct. one million dollars for you bro. Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 22:42 Palmar wrote:
gonzaw is still 100% scum. So is meapak, and I'm pretty sure by now foolishness is one too. Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 00:47 Palmar wrote:
if you can shoot tonight kill foolishness, syllo, katina, BM, zealos etc Palmar is known for his analysis which he clearly states in the early game. He is then wrong about Sandroba and BH straight away. Then when he pushes MZ he posts a case that is weak as shit and then never actually pushes it. He even pleads for us to vote MZ but never forces the issue, despite it being clear that we were looking for targets. His language is passive and nonconfrontational. Then when I post my case on Gonzaw suddenly Gonzaw is the flavour of the month and not MZ, despite his constant pleas to vote off MZ. Ok, maybe Gonzw was a more feasible lynch but why is his shoot to kill list devoid of his target he was pushing all Day 1? I'll tell you why because he realised that MZ is probably the other Executive.
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Marv why are you so angry?
You got shitty with VE. You got shitty with Supersoft and now you are getting shitty with BM.
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On July 24 2012 07:55 marvellosity wrote:
Probe you best be town my friend
You know what is useful in these games?
READING 
Honestly Marv you haven't bothered reading and now you're complaining without knowing anything. Save your berth and read. Thn come back when you have something.
From phone.
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Honestly what reads? I mean he has pushed MZ and Gonzaw both of which I agree are scummy but neither of them has he actively pushed for lynch. Syllo looks town to me.
I will comment on Katina when it matters. Right now we are focused on Palmar. No one has said why he is town so I don't understand the fuss. I mean if he flips town then literally none believed he was town before hand so his play has been atrocious. His claim means nothing because as VE says his play is so nonexistent that even if it is true we can't work it out beforehand.
BM is town. Marv is likely town but I am less sure. My point is that if you have no idea what is going on in this game it is your responsibility to read. Asking me if I am town is dumb because I have proven my alignment. It shows a lack of reading.
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Remember people, Day 1 only Foolishness knew his two subordinates. Palmar's play is very similar to Foolishness in that both of them softly pushed people who are likely scum and tunnelled those that are likely town. In Day 1 Palmar straight up called Sandroba confirmed scum and then tunnelled Syllo. However, despite Sandroba being "confirmed scum" and Foolishness pushing Syllo like crazy, Palmar opts to constantly soft push MZ. Why?
I think MZ is the other executive and Palmar never knew this. Palmar is smart, he would easily pick up on how MZ was going with the flow on Day 1 but he cannot push him hard because of his vet status he might be an exec. Then suddenly come Day 2, he stops mentioning MZ at all. Why? Well because Foolishness has found a way to let his execs know who their buddy is.
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On July 24 2012 09:01 Mattchew wrote:
I hope you guys are right
Well no one told me why I am wrong (if I am). Why is this?
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On July 24 2012 09:06 VisceraEyes wrote:Probulous, I'm going to hold you PERSONALLY responsible for this flip. That cool bro?
Fine. I stand by my read.
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