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Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-02 23:07:25
July 02 2012 23:05 GMT
#16
/in

This is Ver's game right? Interesting setup.

Will the roles and positions be randomed?

This could go so badly if scum get terrible senior management. Or worse terrible independent minions This is going to require a lot of work from scum to be organised. Town is also going to be so confused because Scum won't be working as a normal team.
There is no upwards or lateral communication.

There goes scum's biggest advantage. No one to bounce ideas off. I look forward to some on the job learning.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 04 2012 00:09 GMT
#22
Hmmm but it will make scum hunting hard as well. It is highly likely that there will be a bus-a-thon going on (either accidental or purposeful) which means town has to assume even less than usual. I love the idea, should be a hell of a game
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 09 2012 05:16 GMT
#51
This is going to be so much fun. With this roster I can legitimately claim newb status
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 09 2012 23:36 GMT
#58
You could call it intuition if you want, but I sense good things for this game
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 10 2012 00:17 GMT
#67
I retract my previous statement
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 10 2012 05:17 GMT
#81
[image loading]

Sorry BH, your skills are beyond me ><
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 11 2012 22:51 GMT
#130
On July 12 2012 05:44 austinmcc wrote:
No paint pics. BH is scum.


Someone gets it.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 13 2012 00:27 GMT
#143
I be sad..

There is no Ace

There is no Radfield

There is no Palmar

"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 15 2012 23:28 GMT
#169
On July 13 2012 23:53 Palmar wrote:
/in


"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 16 2012 04:21 GMT
#172
How shortly is shortly

Seriously though, do we know when this will begin?
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 16 2012 04:27 GMT
#174
ooooh I have a comrade!

Are we proud proletariat or bourgeois kulaks? Down with the imperialist scum!

Actaully a soviet theme would work well with this setup. The whole USSR was one giant bureaucracy.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 16 2012 05:02 GMT
#180
I wonder what the yachting connection means? Note how he mentioned every other activity but left out the boats? Is this where they are hiding their incriminating corporate documentation? It's a good place to start looking...
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 16 2012 05:03 GMT
#182
Chezinu, what is the significance of the boats? In my experience yachts are always used to launder money and ship pure cocaine.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 16 2012 05:13 GMT
#186
On July 16 2012 14:05 Chezinu wrote:
I'm mean ummm cocaine!


So we're not expanding our product line then?

Hmmm, this corporate stratey needs more cross-functional synergy. For the sake of compliance and maximising our opportunities, a feedback system of transparency is needed. That being said to gain traction we need to double down on incentivising our stakeholders. A dynamic process of focusing on our core competencies where we drill down to the point of no return, will calibrate our business to exceed partner expectations.

Remember we can only succeed if we work together!
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 16 2012 05:16 GMT
#188
Have we really started? As in there will be no day post.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 16 2012 05:28 GMT
#190
ROFL, prescience is mine

So introductions then. Hi I am Probulous. Who are you?
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 16 2012 05:49 GMT
#192
Wow, that was useful...

Ok since no-one seems to want to actually participate, here are some thoughts of mine of the setup.

Aside from trying to kill town, the only thing that binds mafia as a team is their strategy dictated from above. From my reading this is sent during the night. Thus day 2 is going to be crucial. We should be aware of people who change reads for bad reasons or suddenly become active. Basically anyone who suddenly gains direction overnight will be a good target to poke. As for Day 1, I think participation and clarity will be extra useful because mafia now know that they are setting themselves up for difficulties in Day 2 if they pick targets Day 1. People with clear targets are going to have to work harder to change them if a different CEO strategy comes in.

Thoughts?
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 16 2012 06:12 GMT
#194
Hi Q-bert-Z

You seem to be in a similar frame of mind as me. Thoughts on my post? When you say
so we should try to create an environment that is shifting too much for that message to be useful.


What exactly do you mean?
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 16 2012 06:25 GMT
#197
On July 16 2012 15:16 Chezinu wrote:
##Vote EchelonTee

I wonder if this works...

Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 15:12 Probulous wrote:
When you say
so we should try to create an environment that is shifting too much for that message to be useful.


What exactly do you mean?


Chaos


Which is exactly what we don't want. Mafia are going to be all over the place Day 1, they are in the same boat as us right now. But tomorrow they will have a goal that they can work towards. The only way we can counteract that is by holding people accountable to their Day 1 reads. If someone suddenly changes their read for no reason, it will look even more suspicious than usual.

Why would a chaotic environment help? Surely the opposite, where people are clear about who they think is scum and why, is much better for finding inconsistencies.

Qbert, can you explain your thoughts please?
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 16 2012 06:46 GMT
#210
On July 16 2012 15:32 Blazinghand wrote:
@Prob: I think that's Chezinu you got quoted there.

Thank you for not reading.
On July 16 2012 15:09 Q-bert-Z wrote:
They can only send one message a day, so we should try to create an environment that is shifting too much for that message to be useful.

It was in the spoiler. That is what Chez was responding too

In any case, in this setup it seems pretty straightforwards to me. Analyze like normal, hold people to their views like normal, look for weird unsubstantiated cases like normal. There's more scum and they're less organized, but I don't see why we need to do our D1 or D2 anything different than what we typically do. Just keep an eye open for people doing shit without legit town motives and you're good to go as always.

@Chezinu: Chaos bad

##vote: Chezinu


Fluff and nonsense. I have never played a game with Chez but I have read his games and he is never clear. Chaos is his middle name (OK, maybe I am exaggerating) but the point being voting for him, is just dumb. It is not like he wasn't posting and your vote isn't going to make him be all clear and transparent.

So Mr Blazinghand, why aren't you reading the thread and why are pushing easy targets? In addition why are you dismissing my ideas without actually commenting on them.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
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