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On July 20 2012 11:47 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 11:39 Probulous wrote:On July 20 2012 11:36 Chezinu wrote:
I still don't understand why the Chairman of the Board would have a minion with a nuke.. Well Kurumi is mafia, he had a nuke, ergo mafia have a nuke. Why would it have to be Chairman of the Board? I was trying to imply that you are the chairman of the board? Was that what I was doing?
Yes.
On July 20 2012 11:48 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 11:40 Blazinghand wrote:On July 20 2012 11:34 Katina wrote:On July 20 2012 11:23 Probulous wrote:On July 20 2012 11:10 Katina wrote:
This thread is so messy it's not even funny.
Here's what needs to happen:
Keep your votes on Kurumi. We are not going to spend the last day bringing up new candidates (Like Zealos) and throw the thread into complete chaos again then end up with another no lynch. There's hard evidence on Kurumi right now, let's not forget that. We will see what his flip is then go from therw. When D3 hits THEN will we start voting for other people who are Mafia. (Mattchew, Palmar, Foolishness, Blazinghand, etc)
There has been roughly ten pages since I looked at the thread this morning and all the content in those pages say close to nothing about anything. It's all a bunch of derp and twerp that is continuing to keep the thread horrible cluttered and disorganized. I'm surprised to see that the veteran players (who are usually good at keep direction for the town) are sitting around doing nothing or contributing to the chaos as well. If this continues then this game will be fast and resulting in a for sure Mafia victory.
Well that's a useless post. You basically come into the thread complaining that we have added no new information (false) and then proceed to add no new information yourself. Hipo-Creeeeeet  First of all, read my post properly. I wasn't complaining that there wasn't any new information. I was stating that the thread is unorganized and that we shouldn't start throwing our votes all over the place again. We need to keep our votes focused on Kurumi today. "we" need to keep our votes focused on kurumi? The only guys on zealos are me and rasta, and I've explicitly stated my willingness to vote kurumi. I won't disappear from the thread. Also, do you really think there's no possible good argument for a zealos lynch instead of kurumi? because I think the argument that zealos may still have a power while kurumi certainly has used his up is a compelling one. We're lynching both of them anyways, why not lynch zealos first? ._. It just takes one or two votes to switch to throw the whole town into confusion. If votes start switching there is no garauntee that enough people will switch off Kurumi to lynch Zealos then we will end up with another no lynch. We are all in agreement and have our votes placed. I never said there wasn't a good arguement to lynch Zealos now, Kurumi is basically confirmed scum. Why would we mess that up now to attempt to lynch Zealos who may or may not be an executive? There is no way to know how high up someone is.... The speculation that he might be an executive shouldn't be allowed to cloud our judgement. Mafia is Mafia, we need to start eliminating them now. We really cannot afford more confusion and vote switching chaos again.
How is Kurumi confirmed scum again? Because of a Nuke? Would he not use his Nuke as Town if Sandroba was mafia-gambiting-him? Hmm?
On July 20 2012 11:49 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 11:45 Chezinu wrote:On July 20 2012 11:44 gonzaw wrote:
Hey Prob, I didn't see you talk about me at all since N1.
Do you still think I'm mafia? Shh, be quite... Prob is going through a tough time right now.. He tried laughing it off.. but deep down, he is r scared! lol wat I take it you mean Prob is mafia? Meh, don't see him as mafia personally, specially taking into account his D1 play, and seems to interact with people and shit. Don't know how he plays as mafia though, the only game where he was scum I remember was that Newbie one he hydra'd with Jitsu. Prob, you still have your past games in your profile right?
Anyways, thank god this game is going slow because I think my mind would have exploded otherwise. I don't see anyone commenting on supersoft, *sigh* might as well try later on when people stop being lazy.
I actually see direct interaction between players like Probulous and Marvellosity that makes me raise my eyebrows
I can see why Chezinu would be rxn testing Probulous, but you ruined it, since you responded to it with a defense
Supersoft has been pretty lurky, non-commital, and stirring the pot from behind the scenes with one liners
On July 20 2012 11:49 HiroPro wrote:
slOosh could you explain a little bit more what makes you think Foolishness is town other than his case on BM?
He really doesn't have a case on me
If you read his giant wall it boils down to meta
and i have a defense for my absence.
Furthermore, I am pretty meta clear, considering this wall alone.
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ANYWAYS. I'm not going to finish reading the thread. It's a bunch of herp-derp like Katina said. Foolishness is mafia, and I have reads on a few more. I am not going to delve into it.
I am feeling like Probulous isn't a higher-up-executive, and I question the read, which means I agree with the need for a reaction test there.
Chezinu - high up scum, dawg
VE - I feel he is way, way, way better at scumhunting as town. Scum.
Foolishness - tunneling too much, and engaging in banter = scum
Sandroba - When Kurumi flips town (my gut is telling me this) = obv scum we lynch
Marvellosity - interaction with Sandroba makes me believe he is scum
Kurumi - low level scum that is getting bussed by Chezini and Sandroba
town:
BM
Katina
Layabout
Gonzaw
Probulous
Zealos - he's either scum of a village idiot. I'm leaning village idiot. He's somebody scum messaged to look bad.
OMG BM, an incomplete list? Where does HiroPro rank in this?
Well, I just don't know, and I don't want clutter, yo.
I'm not unvoting Kurumi, I feel like Sandroba and Chezinu probably wouldn't gambit
I'm flip-flopping on chezinu, because I just re-read the Kurumi-Sandroba thing.
@ Kurumi, Chezinu and Sandroba contacted you? What is your side of the story/incident?
##unvote Kurumi
##vote Chezinu
Chezinu is being too crazy and illogical for his town game
Chezinu and Sandroba are scum if Kurumi isn't
We can't afford to lynch town here
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"We can't afford to lynch town here"
As if we aren't like over a game-week away from LYLO at the present rate.
As if we have mislynched even once this game.
As if we have ANYTHING to fear in lynching Kurumi today all things considered.
Bill I'd like you to elaborate on your read of me please. It will help town get a better read on you, if you won't do it for me because "I'm scum" or something asinine.
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I'm liking the odds of 4/4 out of the people who initially wanted to lynch me on day 1 being mafia: bh/probulous/foolishness/palmar.
I think the post of probulous I highlighted on day 1, the reason I subsequently got attacked by the aforementioned four, is still quite suspicious as he is a smart player. In this game I'm not seeing the clever probulous. When foolishness posted his case on BM, he didn't really comment on the content of said case until much later, after it had become clear that few people agreed. Yet when the case was posted, he spent time speculating whether BM would be given an executive mafia role if he were mafia. His theorycrafting today about BH's role seemed to lack the rational skepticism I would expect from him. He was too willing to accept the existence of the role.
Probulous when did you reach the conclusion that Foolishness is likely mafia?
Ps.
On July 18 2012 14:27 Probulous wrote:
Your play has been really underwhelming master Foolishness.
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Syllo will you read my Night-Kill Analysis and tell me your thoughts?
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I've read it and I agree with parts of it, but overall I think wbg was killed because there was no suspicion on him, he was active and he was a safe target to hit in the sense it wasn't likely that he would be protected. It's quite possible that his reads were also good for the most part, but I don't think layabout/marvel are mafia, especially marvel.
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And safe in the sense that he was very likely town
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On July 20 2012 13:49 VisceraEyes wrote:VisceraEyes Attempt At Night-Kill Analysis First, the reason I've done this: the mafia kill mechanic. Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 16:07 Protactinium wrote:
Extra Information:
The mafia kill process goes like this:
Every day, all mafia members except for the CEO send in a name on who they wish to kill. Then, the CEO must choose to kill one player on the list by the night deadline. So, here's my theory: this night-kill holds significance because A) I haven't done this analysis yet  and B) This night is the most likely that the CEO does not know who his minions are yet. The information that the CEO has, as I understand it, is the names of his two Executives. And the information that the Executives have are the names of the minions. But all mafia but the CEO must submit a name for the night-kill.So this means 2 things. 1) that the night-kills will more likely have an actual reason other than "to throw town off" or "blue snipe" and 2) that the CEO gets information on who his minions are by who they want to kill. Given all of this, my assumption is that Blazinghand is Mafia. First of all, just so we're clear, I do NOT have the ability to block nukes. Nothing stops a nuke. It's a nuke. I guess it's possible, but I very seriously doubt it for two reasons. 1) because RoL had a dud nuke. It never had a chance of exploding, ever. And 2) Because as Bugs commented earlier - if BH was town and had a block available, he would have blocked Kurumi's nuke the moment he found out that Kurumi was scum. Regardless of the fact that scum minions don't know who each other are, it is a net gain for town to prevent mafia from achieving their objectives. Period. Kurumi could have been under direct orders to fire that nuke for all we know. So right now I'm looking at something like... Kurumi, Zealos, Foolishness, Blazinghand...if we're talking about my like...really heavy strong scum reads. Layabout is still up there, and here's something else I found that was interesting: Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 10:04 wherebugsgo wrote:On July 17 2012 07:52 Katina wrote:On July 17 2012 07:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
Lol @ Kurumi trying to insinuate that mafia know who town are in this setup (hint: they don't)
The desperate flailings and failings of a caught scum, too funny.
Also marv is a good scumhunter, an honorable scumhunter, let no harm befall him. Marv if you're town don't go afk, just ignore Kurumi. You can help me and sandro and whoever else is on town side. I'm still reading, but thoughts to come in a few hours after my lab.
Barring Kurumi I'd like to hear who Katina, Palmar, sandro, and syllo would kill right now. Palmar mostly. Wouldn't mind syllo, or Mattchew. <3 I believe you're the only one who even acknowledged my question. I agree with all three kills but I'd rank them differently. Wouldn't mind killing Blazingscum and layabout too, they're all scum. All scum, god damn them. Oh and Wiggles is AFK. Just thought I'd throw that out there, he hasn't posted yet. Possibly rolled scum again, the bastard. OH and BM is afk too. Wtf? Well hell, half the players are afk. W/e. Let's focus on one player first: Shit that makes layabout scummy:Read his filter first, it's not long at all. Keep that in mind for a second. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=233798He does nothing but shed doubt on sandro's claim. He instantly disbelieves it without considering other evidence. He knows the caliber of sandro's town play yet he doesn't even acknowledge the possibility that sandro could be town. In addition he's stayed toward the back of the discussion, as he does when he is scum. When he is town he is out in front if he thinks people are being stupid. He will kick and scream and call people retarded if they're doing something he disagrees with. Clearly he disagrees with us sheeping sandro on his catch of Kurumi (otherwise why else would he shed doubt on it?) but notice that he actually doesn't do anything to stop the wagon. i.e. his doubt is unfounded and he wants to undermine sandro without taking heat for the action itself. Scum tactic. Kurumi is going to die at the end of the day. Thus, we should kill someone else. Let's kill this guy for now. Make the bad man fly. ##unvote
##vote layabout Which further makes me question my read on marvellosity to be honest. Starting to think marvellosity is scum too, because layabout goes unnoticed by marvellosity in spite ofShow nested quote +On July 19 2012 21:01 marvellosity wrote:On July 19 2012 18:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Alright guys let’s talk rastaban. The first thing that caught my eye was, conveniently, his first post so let’s start there. On July 16 2012 23:32 rastaban wrote:Caught up now, thoughts so far: First off the random vote is a bad idea, normally the reason it is used is to eliminate mafia influence, but guess what the mafia don't know who each other are so this lynch will be without their influence anyway. We have a golden opportunity to have a lynch today with mafia having to base their judgments on reads, and make hard choices while not able to communicate. Fellow employees do not squander this opportunity! This leads to my second point, Lynching scum doesn't put someone in the clear, especially this early in the game. They don't know who each other is so they can lynch themselves, so look for sound reasoning not just who they voted for. @ HiroPro Third yes mafia only has 1 KP see: Extra Information:
The mafia kill process goes like this:
Every day, all mafia members except for the CEO send in a name on who they wish to kill. Then, the CEO must choose to kill one player on the list by the night deadline. Fourth, While I think a Policy lynch on claiming blues is bad, I do think you bring up a very valid point. As you mention 1 for 1 may not be a bad trade for them so I think we should certainly be extra wary of any claimants and possibly lynch the claimant if it seems fishy, but I think a Policy is going a bit too far. OK so thats my setup review / plans post, I am now working on locating scum so I will follow up in a bit with my thoughts on who to lynch. This post is a whole lot of fluff. The game has been going on for a while when he makes this and there’s plenty to discuss however rastaban is more comfortable discussing the setup. This is a red flag, this type of post is something you make right after the game starts, not when the game has been going on and there are actual issues that can be addressed. To continue with this theme we have posts like this: On July 17 2012 00:19 rastaban wrote:
Wait I just realized it said "one" of them in those posts. I had thought they sent out a message to all their followers at once, but it means instead of the above example, at most the high up, could tell one other person to try and save him. That means only 2 scum detractors at most from any lynch today Again, it’s just talking about the setup instead of actually scumhunting. Let’s look at the next two posts together: On July 17 2012 01:37 rastaban wrote:
@BH
What is this??? the only way someone could vote you is if they are scum, do you really believe you are that town?
Your latest post is so crazy I almost think it is a joke. On July 17 2012 03:54 rastaban wrote:
VE both games I have played with you you pushed someone incredibly hard day 1, why do you want to do a random lynch, cant you find any scum this time? Both these posts serve no purpose. Does rastaban think either of these two are scummy? Who knows. He says that BH is so crazy he almost thinks it’s a joke but gives us no read. Similarly with VE, he mentions how VE’s behavior is different than what he’s observed but gives no read. After a nice little wagon has built up on BH, rastaban finally feels confident calling for someone’s death: On July 17 2012 05:18 rastaban wrote:
I like the case on BH better than the on Mz right. I feel GGQ is right in his assessment that mafia will use the lack of ties to make them more bold in their case rather than second guessing. Look at my play as Serial Killer, I decided to try and play as pro town as possible, I ended up going overboard and tunneling risk.nuke in my effort. I feel like MZ's caution is the sign of town who wants to get things right rather than scum who wants to get the day over with. Think about it we still have more than 24 hours of discussion to go.
As others have also pointed out, he is also trying too hard to find reasons for his votes, it makes them seem fake.
##vote blazinghand He like the case on BH better than the one on me but spends most of the post talking about something other than his reasons for voting BH. Ultimately, rastaban’s vote seems like it is available to whichever candidate is currently the flavor of the hour: On July 17 2012 13:29 rastaban wrote:
Sylo also looks like a good target, and while his actions are Scummy I recommend the Ace method, when two people both look like scum start by lynching the player you have more content on. We can give Sylo till tomorrow to improve if need be, and lynch this scum BH he has so much content and it all points one way On July 18 2012 11:33 rastaban wrote:
I like the BH LYnch better but I could go for lymching Austin as well mainly because the only defense for him is it's so scummy scum wouldn't do it. I have mis-lynched gonzaw before and this case on him doesn't seem that strong. That said his reaction is quite different than in bang bang so I would take over a nolynch if we can't get BH or Austin stung up. On July 18 2012 12:32 rastaban wrote:On July 18 2012 12:26 Mattchew wrote:
I think Gonzaw is overwhelmed (not enough time) and that very much plays into why his meta would seem off. His confidence seems to be gone without being able to be the most dominant (usually by sheer volume) poster in the thread. I think this is the first time I have ever seen this little filter out of him and I think this all stems from not having enough time. I think his reactions and posts are sincere and truthful I see u are on MZ. Gonzaw and mh are our leading candidates and it looks like I agree to give gonzaw a bit more time. Will u switch to MH? On July 18 2012 12:57 rastaban wrote:
Sorry guys but I have to head to bed. I think the momentum is swinging back to BH so I will leave my vote where it is. The last post really betrays rastaban’s strategy. He “agrees” with the every case that was brought up d1 however he sticks with BH because that’s where the momentum is. This just screams scum trying to fit in. He’s not going to argue hard for the BH lynch, he won’t stick his neck out by switching to another candidate but he’ll agree with the argument against that person just to be in agreement. Finally, he chooses to go with BH because it’s the one that seems the least controversial. This may not be a very elegant post but it should get the point across and I need sleep. I’ll be happy to answer any questions when I wake up. tl;dr rastaban needs to die at some point. I'd like to give this some love. I started off reading it sceptically but at the end I was down with it. Meapak demonstrates in rastaban what I would classify as the classic mafia mindset in this setup - not rocking the boat, going with the flow, not drawing attention to yourself with dissent. rastaban this game is classic mafia. ...being the reason marv gave for agreeing with MZ's case. Considering marv's high regard for Bugs as a player, I'd expect a town marv to be all up on layabout after Bugs post on him. But Bugs must have been killed for a reason.tl:dr - - Blazinghand is Mafia
- I think marvellosity and layabout are suspicious based on my reread.
- I do not have a nuke-block.
- Skidoosh.
Reading through the thread at the moment and found this. The reason I am not all up on layabout's shizzle is because my views align with Palmar on the layabout issue. Palmar said "I don't think layabout would be an asshole like that", bringing his own frustrations about mafia into the game as an excuse. I know some of you disagree.
VE, you also know I have history of thinking like this. Remember Magic Mini where I told you Matt was basically confirmed town to me, because he'd sworn at me and if he'd "faked" that swearing he was a total asshat and I didn't believe Matt was a total asshat? You weren't particularly satisfied with it at the time (you tried to get me to think about different reasons) but I was 100% on it.
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Yes I remember. And like Magic Mini, I'm just going to suck ass and disagree with you because I think the fact that he's not doing anything is scummy as shit. 
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On July 18 2012 05:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
For anyone who is actually town and believes what Austin says, consider the following points:
1. Sandro's trick only works if you force a mafia to out themselves publicly.
2. Mafia can utilize commands that have absolutely nothing to do with public member identification.
3. A town player who has caught scum has the vested interest in outting that scum immediately in the case that he will die. In sandro's case this is immensely likely given that he is among the strongest scumhunters on the forum.
4. In accordance with the above 3 points the trick only works once.
Was just looking for something and found this. Humdeho.
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On July 20 2012 19:41 VisceraEyes wrote:Yes I remember. And like Magic Mini, I'm just going to suck ass and disagree with you because I think the fact that he's not doing anything is scummy as shit.
Disagree with me all you like, I was just explaining my (in)action regarding layabout ^^
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Chez sent me a message last night Marv. What do you make of that?
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I mean today - last night as in overnight IRL. :/
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I'm trying to wrap my head around the last few pages. To my shame it was a revelation to me that it's quite likely there's no blockers. At least it makes me feel better about telling Prob i wasn't comfortable with categorical setup statements ^^
On the hunt for something in wbg's filter atm.
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Didn't find it, my brain's gone.
Atm we've had Kurumi receiving a message, wbg, Zealos, is there anyone else? (excluding what you just said)
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I got one message from sandroba Day 1.
That's all.
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BH got a message too, I couldn't tell if Chez admitted to sending it. Cause you know...it's Chez.
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I thought it was BH but I keep not finding it in his filter. ffs. will re-look.
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On July 20 2012 07:30 Blazinghand wrote:Just received this PM: Show nested quote +Hello my minion,
I need you to follow orders unlike the previous minion. You must protect Chezinu Isunizech, aka Mr. Walton, aka Power ranger, aka The Brown, aka Unizehc. If you cannot protect Chezinu, you must destroy his enemies. If you follow my orders, I can arrange protection for you.
From,
The Boss Man
On July 18 2012 09:17 Chezinu wrote:
VE, my first impression was to look up the OP for something I recalled. "However, there will be no word limit either. So there will be plenty of room to dictate strategy."
You see, minions can receive an enormous amounts of information. Can you find a pattern of illogical behavior among the members?
If I had minions... would I be rash and command them to do my impulsive bidding or would develop an epic long trilogy of the adventures of Chezinu Isunizehc renamed that contains complex and hard to follow strategies for my minions. I wonder what would be censored...
VE, you said that this would not take long.. maybe in terms of read all of their posts...
If I was mafia, would tell my minions to go for the no lynch and if that fails, I would tell them 3 targets that they could possibly kill. I would reiterate all the rules in the OP. To make sure everyone has read the rules. I would not take my pm's lightly. For PMs are Powerful..
I live you with food for thought and inconclusiveness in order to maintain my undercover identity...
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By the way I'd rather you see me as town in your plans of people being linked, so you know where to go from there when I flip >_>
Sandroba isn't scum... But presence of two messengers (I think?) makes me uneasy.
Sandroba, I am going to ask you that question again.
On July 17 2012 06:08 sandroba wrote:
Meh I think mafia is going to kill me anyway so no harm doing this. I can msg people. kurumi just nuked someone so I knew he couldn't be CEO/Chairman/President. So I messaged kurumi this:
How did you know that Sandroba?
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