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On July 20 2012 20:04 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 07:30 Blazinghand wrote:Just received this PM: Hello my minion,
I need you to follow orders unlike the previous minion. You must protect Chezinu Isunizech, aka Mr. Walton, aka Power ranger, aka The Brown, aka Unizehc. If you cannot protect Chezinu, you must destroy his enemies. If you follow my orders, I can arrange protection for you.
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The Boss Man Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 09:17 Chezinu wrote:
VE, my first impression was to look up the OP for something I recalled. "However, there will be no word limit either. So there will be plenty of room to dictate strategy."
You see, minions can receive an enormous amounts of information. Can you find a pattern of illogical behavior among the members?
If I had minions... would I be rash and command them to do my impulsive bidding or would develop an epic long trilogy of the adventures of Chezinu Isunizehc renamed that contains complex and hard to follow strategies for my minions. I wonder what would be censored...
VE, you said that this would not take long.. maybe in terms of read all of their posts...
If I was mafia, would tell my minions to go for the no lynch and if that fails, I would tell them 3 targets that they could possibly kill. I would reiterate all the rules in the OP. To make sure everyone has read the rules. I would not take my pm's lightly. For PMs are Powerful..
I live you with food for thought and inconclusiveness in order to maintain my undercover identity...
We did have somebody with pm from "The Boss Man", didn't we?
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Nah we didn't. Strange, I really thought we had pm like this claimed already. Oh well.
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
The point is Kurumi that's a fairly direct link I bolded in both passages, so either the message was from Chezinu or someone was very attentive to Chezinu's posts and used that. I favour the former.
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On July 20 2012 17:06 Chezinu wrote:
Blaze.. you must protect me... my end is near...
On July 20 2012 15:46 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 15:46 Probulous wrote:
Ok guys, it is clock off time. Weekend is calling.
I am going to be busy as hell but will try and post when I can. ok, if you are going I'll let you know a secret... I'm a boss!
Yeah pretty much it looks that Chezinu sent that message.
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On July 20 2012 19:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
Chez sent me a message last night Marv. What do you make of that?
i think you'd have told us what the message was by now if that were the case. What are you up to dear?
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On July 20 2012 20:05 Kurumi wrote:By the way I'd rather you see me as town in your plans of people being linked, so you know where to go from there when I flip >_> Sandroba isn't scum... But presence of two messengers (I think?) makes me uneasy. Sandroba, I am going to ask you that question again. Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 06:08 sandroba wrote:
Meh I think mafia is going to kill me anyway so no harm doing this. I can msg people. kurumi just nuked someone so I knew he couldn't be CEO/Chairman/President. So I messaged kurumi this:
How did you know that Sandroba?
The CEO/Chairman/President can't have abilities, even I read that much of the OP
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@Bill Murray, your stance on the Kurumi/Sandroba thing is insane.
Knowing scum has to eliminate every single town, and town has to eliminate every single scum, you can make the argument that kurumi was extremely smart and understood that at some point in the game it might be beneficial if scum thinks you're scum, might even save an otherwise lost game.
However, that's stretching it alot, and assuming Kurumi knew about this rule before someone posted it, (I didn't) and was capable of recognizing the possible strength of such a position. Obviously sandroba being town fucked completely with whatever plan he might've had if he was town.
However, the simple solution is kurumi fell for a trap and is scum.
Which is why we hang him. The simple solution is usually right.
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On July 20 2012 20:25 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 20:05 Kurumi wrote:By the way I'd rather you see me as town in your plans of people being linked, so you know where to go from there when I flip >_> Sandroba isn't scum... But presence of two messengers (I think?) makes me uneasy. Sandroba, I am going to ask you that question again. On July 17 2012 06:08 sandroba wrote:
Meh I think mafia is going to kill me anyway so no harm doing this. I can msg people. kurumi just nuked someone so I knew he couldn't be CEO/Chairman/President. So I messaged kurumi this:
How did you know that Sandroba? The CEO/Chairman/President can't have abilities, even I read that much of the OP
I don't get what you're trying to say. I knew that from the very beginning.
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what were you even asking about then?
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On July 20 2012 21:40 Palmar wrote:
what were you even asking about then?
On July 17 2012 09:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
VIVA LA NUKES
##NUKE: Kurumi
Notice the timestamp. RoL had role, yes. That's why he couldn't be a high ranked scum. BUT, we've learnt that looooooong after sandroba's gambit. How sandroba knew that RoL had a power?
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what are you talking about? he was talking about you not RoL
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United States2294 Posts
wow, so many developments.
First, I don't agree it was a fake block from BH, that doesn't make sense though it was what I thought was being refered to last night. I can see a someone on the board of directors having veto power, which is where I think chez was going with it. He decided to try to test his blocking powers on a nuke rather than a person.
This could be explained by:
##block: Chezinu
I was hoping not to have to use this.
Why would a townie hope not to have to use his power? Wouldn't someone as townie expect to use their power as they got it for a reason?
Next we have the sandroba issue, I am not following that at all. Apparently Chezinu is claiming to be the head of the board of communication. That would mean he has 3 minions as well, and that his group broke off from the bureaucracy. I can see this being true as they would help keep the messages from revealing everyones name since it could out the whole scum team if caught.
The messages are Censored to some degree, though apparently Chez doesn't see the messages but has some input on what gets censored, and possibly adds his own messages to the original message. This means he has been sending commands to the mafia as well without them knowing for a while
Chez as head of communications though is also the link with the minions and part of why things get censored that the CEO isn't aware of. He has tried antagonizing both sides , as their is likely a hierarchy or something in place that will disrupt mafia communication were he to die as they wouldn't have a relay even if that relay does do some censoring. Possibly they get delayed or are less frequent, maybe it is just passed on like with the mafia system. I beleive Chezinu is limited in what he can say or something similar, but he has a living will (see his minion with communication on death) that will reveal a lot of things which is why death doesn't scare him like I thought it would.
So back to sandroba... he isn't on Chezinu's list so he can't be on the board of communications. Is this why you suspect him? Messages were sent and he was aware of them, so he obviously has the power. Both Z and K confirmed them as well and unless he bussed them both he has to have a power like that. I don't know, and the evidence them is how they acted regarding the messages, which they did regardless of his alignment as ti didn't affect them. If he was mafia he would know if he was bussing or not (has power so would be minion) and he would be outing his own people possibly.
Also heads up to town, chezinu got mew thinking about how CEO doesn't have a power role. Be on the lookout for someone using someone else's power... bah is this what you mean chez??
Did Sandroba have a minion do something and then claim responsibility for it? this would be a powerful play to make as an exec would be protected. But I don't see how they could know, at least not at this point. I don't know, I can't find find any way to construe sandroba as mafia within the bounds of what I currently know about how the system works.
Chez do you know your minions, are they confirmed town to you?
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Hmm I guess Sandroba could have bussed 2 minions to make it seem he has his role. Well that is easy to check, We just have town decide who he messages next. He only has 1 minion left at this point if scum exec, so only 1 in 20 something of actually picking that person. If that person gets the message then we confirm him town, if not then we can lynch him. he gets 1 a 1/2 cycle and no one else is likely to fall for it at this point so no waste if he gices up one of them to confirm himself.
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On July 20 2012 19:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
Chez sent me a message last night Marv. What do you make of that?
this shit is mafia communication
VE+Chez+Marv scum
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On July 20 2012 22:52 rastaban wrote:
Hmm I guess Sandroba could have bussed 2 minions to make it seem he has his role. Well that is easy to check, We just have town decide who he messages next. He only has 1 minion left at this point if scum exec, so only 1 in 20 something of actually picking that person. If that person gets the message then we confirm him town, if not then we can lynch him. he gets 1 a 1/2 cycle and no one else is likely to fall for it at this point so no waste if he gices up one of them to confirm himself.
THANK YOU
someone agrees with me finally
take over while i go to bed
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im still ok with checking kurumi.. i dont really want to lynch sandroba... i just feel like chezinu's alignment (say hes CEO) will flip a lot of people (VE confirmed scum if chez has no power) + sandroba would be scum if chez is scum 100%
if chez flips town then we def. go ahead with kurumi, and sandroba is 100% clear town afaik and can tell
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On July 20 2012 22:44 marvellosity wrote:
what are you talking about? he was talking about you not RoL
oh my
Fuck thanks marv, I misread it for the first time...
and did not correct myself ever since, SORRY
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trying to understand you kurumi gives me a headache.
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On July 20 2012 14:38 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 14:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
OMG this is huge...this is big guy, Chez are you claiming town-aligned messenger? This is big because if you are I think I would rather lynch Sandroba than Zealos tomorrow. Given that the greater part of the Zealos case rests on Sandroba's use of his role
This is so wrong...
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Kurumi, before you get lynched,
How do you feel about Sandroba? He may have bussed you and Zealos, obviously you don't agree and if you flip town that can't be true. Do you think that he is mafia or town?
what are your feelings on Zealos, i know earlier you said you couldn't read him, but has the interaction between him and sandroba changed anything? You think you are town for not sharing the PM, do you think Zealos had a legit reason for not sharing the PM?
You said 4 of these are likely red, I marked the one you called out. Any others you want to add to that list?
Veterans:
RebirthOfLegend (dead, town)
Foolishness
GGQ
Bill Murray
Meapak_Ziphh
Chezinu (eeeeee I am going to say town on this one)
Good players:
sandroba (alive but all looks like he is town)
Palmar
wherebugsgo (dead, town)
syllogism
probably VisceraEyes, not sure though.
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