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On July 21 2012 01:14 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 00:57 Palmar wrote:
your persistence is amazing kurumi.
Did I mention katina is scum? How about you look into her? Don't trash one of the few people that's making sense this game.
looool
Your contributions to this game have been overwhelming foolishness, I have seen the light and realized that katina is indeed valuable to the town. How could I have not seen this before... riiiiiight.
Anyway we need to all make sure kurumi dies today. There's no excuse if he somehow wiggles out of this again. People need to remember this, it doesn't matter what alignment sandroba is at this point, kurumi got caught hook line and sinker. It'd be actually retarded if he somehow gets away.
It's great to discuss more potential lynch targets but everyone needs to make sure the kurumi lynch happens today. I've seen a couple people call him town in the last couple pages (cough rastaban cough) this is just grossly negligent failure to read the thread, don't let this sentiment somehow take hold. Again, if you think about it, it doesn't matter which side sandro is on for kurumi to be scum.
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On July 21 2012 01:28 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 23:53 marvellosity wrote:On July 20 2012 23:45 HiroPro wrote:On July 20 2012 14:38 Blazinghand wrote:On July 20 2012 14:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
OMG this is huge...this is big guy, Chez are you claiming town-aligned messenger? This is big because if you are I think I would rather lynch Sandroba than Zealos tomorrow. Given that the greater part of the Zealos case rests on Sandroba's use of his role This is so wrong... It's not even that it's wrong, it's the fact that PRIOR to the PM thing with Zealos coming to light, BH had branded him scum... "Zealos should be our D3 lynch", "you are the scummiest player alive after Kurumi" among other shizzle. Now most of the case is on the sandroba use of his role? Does not compute. # of people who liked my case against zealos before sandro got involved: like, 3 # of people who liked my case against zealos after sandro got involved: literally everyone
That is not what you said at all. You were not referring to support for the case. You said that the case itself rested mostly on sandroba's role usage, but that is completely false, with what you yourself said before. You have everything about Zealos pointing to scum. You have confirmed town in WBG calling zealos "almost confirmed scum". And then all of sudden, doubts about sandroba make you think Zealos was just "an easy target"? I don't buy it.
On July 20 2012 04:12 Blazinghand wrote:Like, I wish I could write MORE on Zealos, but his strategy this entire game has been to never post except to show up and call things "odd" and "weird" and then dissappear and lurk more. His attack on me is scummy as dicks, and then this: Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 05:26 Zealos wrote:
I'll just go ahead and vote for BH at the start of day2 then leave you guys to it. bb, like, what? What about kurumi, what about making a real case, what about checking in on things or being remotely helpful? This is scum trying to skate by, every one of his choices this game is clearly undefendable from town motivation, but easily has scum motivation.
On July 20 2012 14:38 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 14:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
OMG this is huge...this is big guy, Chez are you claiming town-aligned messenger? This is big because if you are I think I would rather lynch Sandroba than Zealos tomorrow. Given that the greater part of the Zealos case rests on Sandroba's use of his role, I must agree. I still don't like zealos though for his constant whining, but maybe he was just an easy target for scum.
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Concerning Bill Murray:
On July 20 2012 18:23 Bill Murray wrote:SLOOSH WROTE: Show nested quote +On Foolishness: many people (including sandroba!) think he is scum and I'm not seeing it. I'd have preferred if focused his energies on someone other than BM (opposed to other vets I would like better reads on such as Palmar, syllogism), but that's alignment null. So I've looked into BM to determine legitimacy of his read, which I find myself agreeing with and I'm surprised that BM has been so easily dismissed because people are hunting execs, because 1) mafia is mafia, so dismissing it purely on "hunt execs" makes no sense, and 2) to think an exec couldn't pretend to own his minion's power is a dangerous oversight. I think BM is trolling mafia as I don't see any town interest in his posts, opposed to Chezinu who is trolling but has a few posts in which he shows critical thought / town insights. Chezinu is town power role I am also town power role your reads are shit here
Chezinu has been spouting a lot of nonsense, and the fact BM expects me to take such claims as serious and valid makes no sense, nor does it logically follow that my reads are flawed due to this. I merely said that a few posts of his seem insightful, but to take every post of his seriously is nonsense. BM has shown that he has power / contact with someone with the power.Yet the logical conclusion isn't that these people are cleared - there are minions who can have powers or execs who can disguise themselves with these said powers. BM is demeaning my reads on nonexistent grounds.
On July 20 2012 18:40 Bill Murray wrote:
ANYWAYS. I'm not going to finish reading the thread. It's a bunch of herp-derp like Katina said. Foolishness is mafia, and I have reads on a few more. I am not going to delve into it.
I am feeling like Probulous isn't a higher-up-executive, and I question the read, which means I agree with the need for a reaction test there.
Chezinu - high up scum, dawg
VE - I feel he is way, way, way better at scumhunting as town. Scum.
Foolishness - tunneling too much, and engaging in banter = scum
Sandroba - When Kurumi flips town (my gut is telling me this) = obv scum we lynch
Marvellosity - interaction with Sandroba makes me believe he is scum
Kurumi - low level scum that is getting bussed by Chezini and Sandroba
town:
BM
Katina
Layabout
Gonzaw
Probulous
Zealos - he's either scum of a village idiot. I'm leaning village idiot. He's somebody scum messaged to look bad.
OMG BM, an incomplete list? Where does HiroPro rank in this?
Well, I just don't know, and I don't want clutter, yo.
I'm not unvoting Kurumi, I feel like Sandroba and Chezinu probably wouldn't gambit
I'm flip-flopping on chezinu, because I just re-read the Kurumi-Sandroba thing.
@ Kurumi, Chezinu and Sandroba contacted you? What is your side of the story/incident?
##unvote Kurumi
##vote Chezinu
Chezinu is being too crazy and illogical for his town game
Chezinu and Sandroba are scum if Kurumi isn't
We can't afford to lynch town here
In the same post there are glaring contradictions. First is the choice of lynch candidate. The whole game BM has expressed that he feels Foolishness is his #1 suspect and read. He says at the top of his post that he still believes this. So then why not him? Why Chezinu? According to his prior post he says "Chezinu is town power role", yet now he is scum exec? He is pushing Chezinu on the exact same grounds that he defended himself:
On July 19 2012 20:20 Bill Murray wrote:
but, im proven to not be an executive, now
im either 1) shitty low level/totem pole mafia
2) a blue/green (i consider it a green, because i have no real abilities other than 2 votes potentially)
i added the potentially, because I can probably be roleblocked
Next is how he considers Kurumi both town and scum at the same time. He calls him a low level bus, but at the same time a town that we cannot afford to lynch. He read the Kurumi-Sandroba thing, and claims that to be source of read change. Again, how does Chezinu get dragged into this? Where is the connection? BM is setting up future lynches and blame: he says if Kurumi flips town and then we should lynch sandroba and Chezinu yet he calls him low level scum, giving him an out should he not gain support for taking the lynch off, and throws doubt and suspicions on sandroba and Chezinu by saying if Kurumi flips scum that it is a bus.
Kurumi flip town -> sandroba & Chezinu are scum. Kurumi flip scum -> sandroba & Chezinu are scum. He is setting up the next D3 lynch on non existent connections. Follow this up:
On July 20 2012 22:58 Bill Murray wrote:
im still ok with checking kurumi.. i dont really want to lynch sandroba... i just feel like chezinu's alignment (say hes CEO) will flip a lot of people (VE confirmed scum if chez has no power) + sandroba would be scum if chez is scum 100%
if chez flips town then we def. go ahead with kurumi, and sandroba is 100% clear town afaik and can tell
Again more lynch trains. Lynch Chez. If town lynch Kurumi. If scum lynch sand. Setting up lynches without proper reasoning. Notice that in all of this, his confident read of "Foolishness is mafia" is nowhere to be found. Content with letting him live 2 more cycles?
Hiro, his latest post that was written while I was typing inspires more confidence in my read. Even if he is bussing scum, he is catching scum, and we have too many scum too little KP so no reason to go after him unless you are reasonably certain he is exec status.
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Foolishness
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On July 21 2012 01:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 01:14 Foolishness wrote:On July 21 2012 00:57 Palmar wrote:
your persistence is amazing kurumi.
Did I mention katina is scum? How about you look into her? Don't trash one of the few people that's making sense this game. looool Your contributions to this game have been overwhelming foolishness, I have seen the light and realized that katina is indeed valuable to the town. How could I have not seen this before... riiiiiight. Anyway we need to all make sure kurumi dies today. There's no excuse if he somehow wiggles out of this again. People need to remember this, it doesn't matter what alignment sandroba is at this point, kurumi got caught hook line and sinker. It'd be actually retarded if he somehow gets away. It's great to discuss more potential lynch targets but everyone needs to make sure the kurumi lynch happens today. I've seen a couple people call him town in the last couple pages (cough rastaban cough) this is just grossly negligent failure to read the thread, don't let this sentiment somehow take hold. Again, if you think about it, it doesn't matter which side sandro is on for kurumi to be scum.
Well you should have seen it a lot of earlier. Can you give me a name of someone who makes more sense? I can only think of two people in which you can make an argument for.
It's fine to discuss potential lynch targets, the issue is that it is day two and literally every player has been accused. There's absolutely zero focus. One page people are talking about Zealos, 3 pages later it's about Chezinu. With so many cases it's hard to tell who is actually trying to make a case (townies) and who's just fueling the fire (mafia). From what I can see though the people of interest in this regard are Blazinghand (should be obvious by now), marvellosity, and HiroPro. supersoft, Mattchew, Probulous, Palmar and yourself are somewhat guilty but not to the same extent.
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Blazinghand
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On July 21 2012 01:43 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 01:28 Blazinghand wrote:On July 20 2012 23:53 marvellosity wrote:On July 20 2012 23:45 HiroPro wrote:On July 20 2012 14:38 Blazinghand wrote:On July 20 2012 14:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
OMG this is huge...this is big guy, Chez are you claiming town-aligned messenger? This is big because if you are I think I would rather lynch Sandroba than Zealos tomorrow. Given that the greater part of the Zealos case rests on Sandroba's use of his role This is so wrong... It's not even that it's wrong, it's the fact that PRIOR to the PM thing with Zealos coming to light, BH had branded him scum... "Zealos should be our D3 lynch", "you are the scummiest player alive after Kurumi" among other shizzle. Now most of the case is on the sandroba use of his role? Does not compute. # of people who liked my case against zealos before sandro got involved: like, 3 # of people who liked my case against zealos after sandro got involved: literally everyone That is not what you said at all. You were not referring to support for the case. You said that the case itself rested mostly on sandroba's role usage, but that is completely false, with what you yourself said before. You have everything about Zealos pointing to scum. You have confirmed town in WBG calling zealos "almost confirmed scum". And then all of sudden, doubts about sandroba make you think Zealos was just "an easy target"? I don't buy it. Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 04:12 Blazinghand wrote:Like, I wish I could write MORE on Zealos, but his strategy this entire game has been to never post except to show up and call things "odd" and "weird" and then dissappear and lurk more. His attack on me is scummy as dicks, and then this: On July 19 2012 05:26 Zealos wrote:
I'll just go ahead and vote for BH at the start of day2 then leave you guys to it. bb, like, what? What about kurumi, what about making a real case, what about checking in on things or being remotely helpful? This is scum trying to skate by, every one of his choices this game is clearly undefendable from town motivation, but easily has scum motivation. Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 14:38 Blazinghand wrote:On July 20 2012 14:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
OMG this is huge...this is big guy, Chez are you claiming town-aligned messenger? This is big because if you are I think I would rather lynch Sandroba than Zealos tomorrow. Given that the greater part of the Zealos case rests on Sandroba's use of his role, I must agree. I still don't like zealos though for his constant whining, but maybe he was just an easy target for scum.
I meant it the other way. For what it's worth, my vote is still on Zealos, so clearly I think he's still as scummy or scummier than Kurumi.
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On July 21 2012 01:49 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 01:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 21 2012 01:14 Foolishness wrote:On July 21 2012 00:57 Palmar wrote:
your persistence is amazing kurumi.
Did I mention katina is scum? How about you look into her? Don't trash one of the few people that's making sense this game. looool Your contributions to this game have been overwhelming foolishness, I have seen the light and realized that katina is indeed valuable to the town. How could I have not seen this before... riiiiiight. Anyway we need to all make sure kurumi dies today. There's no excuse if he somehow wiggles out of this again. People need to remember this, it doesn't matter what alignment sandroba is at this point, kurumi got caught hook line and sinker. It'd be actually retarded if he somehow gets away. It's great to discuss more potential lynch targets but everyone needs to make sure the kurumi lynch happens today. I've seen a couple people call him town in the last couple pages (cough rastaban cough) this is just grossly negligent failure to read the thread, don't let this sentiment somehow take hold. Again, if you think about it, it doesn't matter which side sandro is on for kurumi to be scum. Well you should have seen it a lot of earlier. Can you give me a name of someone who makes more sense? I can only think of two people in which you can make an argument for. It's fine to discuss potential lynch targets, the issue is that it is day two and literally every player has been accused. There's absolutely zero focus. One page people are talking about Zealos, 3 pages later it's about Chezinu. With so many cases it's hard to tell who is actually trying to make a case (townies) and who's just fueling the fire (mafia). From what I can see though the people of interest in this regard are Blazinghand (should be obvious by now), marvellosity, and HiroPro. supersoft, Mattchew, Probulous, Palmar and yourself are somewhat guilty but not to the same extent.
Other than BM where should the focus be? Don't you beleive that Kurumi and Zealos are scum? We have BH after both of them. I am confused on what you want to focus on, is their more to discuss on these 3 players? I am just confused as to what you mean by wanting to focus. It seems to me that town is pretty agreed on the next, 2 if not 3 lynches.
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Foolishness
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On July 21 2012 02:01 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 01:49 Foolishness wrote:On July 21 2012 01:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 21 2012 01:14 Foolishness wrote:On July 21 2012 00:57 Palmar wrote:
your persistence is amazing kurumi.
Did I mention katina is scum? How about you look into her? Don't trash one of the few people that's making sense this game. looool Your contributions to this game have been overwhelming foolishness, I have seen the light and realized that katina is indeed valuable to the town. How could I have not seen this before... riiiiiight. Anyway we need to all make sure kurumi dies today. There's no excuse if he somehow wiggles out of this again. People need to remember this, it doesn't matter what alignment sandroba is at this point, kurumi got caught hook line and sinker. It'd be actually retarded if he somehow gets away. It's great to discuss more potential lynch targets but everyone needs to make sure the kurumi lynch happens today. I've seen a couple people call him town in the last couple pages (cough rastaban cough) this is just grossly negligent failure to read the thread, don't let this sentiment somehow take hold. Again, if you think about it, it doesn't matter which side sandro is on for kurumi to be scum. Well you should have seen it a lot of earlier. Can you give me a name of someone who makes more sense? I can only think of two people in which you can make an argument for. It's fine to discuss potential lynch targets, the issue is that it is day two and literally every player has been accused. There's absolutely zero focus. One page people are talking about Zealos, 3 pages later it's about Chezinu. With so many cases it's hard to tell who is actually trying to make a case (townies) and who's just fueling the fire (mafia). From what I can see though the people of interest in this regard are Blazinghand (should be obvious by now), marvellosity, and HiroPro. supersoft, Mattchew, Probulous, Palmar and yourself are somewhat guilty but not to the same extent. Other than BM where should the focus be? Don't you beleive that Kurumi and Zealos are scum? We have BH after both of them. I am confused on what you want to focus on, is their more to discuss on these 3 players? I am just confused as to what you mean by wanting to focus. It seems to me that town is pretty agreed on the next, 2 if not 3 lynches.
Clearly there's still plenty more to discuss as the number of times I've seen a unique "Player X should be our day 3 lynch" is substantial.
Kurumi yes (that's why I've voted for him), Blazinghand yes, Bill Murray yes, Zealos I'm not convinced at all. Frankly there's no real case against him. You and blazinghand and Kurumi (as well as a few others) have all claimed he's mafia but have yet to provide more than a single sentence explanation. It was the same thing that happened with austin yesterday; nobody really made a case against him, everyone just decided to sheep along with one persons' thoughts and jump ship. Until someone actually makes a case there's no reason why Zealos should be getting killed.
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Blazinghand
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On July 21 2012 02:16 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 02:01 rastaban wrote:On July 21 2012 01:49 Foolishness wrote:On July 21 2012 01:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 21 2012 01:14 Foolishness wrote:On July 21 2012 00:57 Palmar wrote:
your persistence is amazing kurumi.
Did I mention katina is scum? How about you look into her? Don't trash one of the few people that's making sense this game. looool Your contributions to this game have been overwhelming foolishness, I have seen the light and realized that katina is indeed valuable to the town. How could I have not seen this before... riiiiiight. Anyway we need to all make sure kurumi dies today. There's no excuse if he somehow wiggles out of this again. People need to remember this, it doesn't matter what alignment sandroba is at this point, kurumi got caught hook line and sinker. It'd be actually retarded if he somehow gets away. It's great to discuss more potential lynch targets but everyone needs to make sure the kurumi lynch happens today. I've seen a couple people call him town in the last couple pages (cough rastaban cough) this is just grossly negligent failure to read the thread, don't let this sentiment somehow take hold. Again, if you think about it, it doesn't matter which side sandro is on for kurumi to be scum. Well you should have seen it a lot of earlier. Can you give me a name of someone who makes more sense? I can only think of two people in which you can make an argument for. It's fine to discuss potential lynch targets, the issue is that it is day two and literally every player has been accused. There's absolutely zero focus. One page people are talking about Zealos, 3 pages later it's about Chezinu. With so many cases it's hard to tell who is actually trying to make a case (townies) and who's just fueling the fire (mafia). From what I can see though the people of interest in this regard are Blazinghand (should be obvious by now), marvellosity, and HiroPro. supersoft, Mattchew, Probulous, Palmar and yourself are somewhat guilty but not to the same extent. Other than BM where should the focus be? Don't you beleive that Kurumi and Zealos are scum? We have BH after both of them. I am confused on what you want to focus on, is their more to discuss on these 3 players? I am just confused as to what you mean by wanting to focus. It seems to me that town is pretty agreed on the next, 2 if not 3 lynches. Clearly there's still plenty more to discuss as the number of times I've seen a unique "Player X should be our day 3 lynch" is substantial. Kurumi yes (that's why I've voted for him), Blazinghand yes, Bill Murray yes, Zealos I'm not convinced at all. Frankly there's no real case against him. You and blazinghand and Kurumi (as well as a few others) have all claimed he's mafia but have yet to provide more than a single sentence explanation. It was the same thing that happened with austin yesterday; nobody really made a case against him, everyone just decided to sheep along with one persons' thoughts and jump ship. Until someone actually makes a case there's no reason why Zealos should be getting killed.
LIES
LIES AND SLANDER
On July 20 2012 04:09 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 05:19 Blazinghand wrote:On July 19 2012 05:16 Zealos wrote:On July 17 2012 07:43 Blazinghand wrote:On July 17 2012 07:42 Kurumi wrote:On July 17 2012 07:41 Blazinghand wrote:On July 17 2012 07:40 Kurumi wrote:On July 17 2012 07:38 Blazinghand wrote:
You know kurumi we got like tons of time maybe if you're really a town player you can help convince these people to lynch syllo after you die Meapak_Zipph is scum, I don't care about syllo. And why I would work for you, who the hell are you? Are you sure? Cause Syllo looks pretty scummy to me. You should read the cases on him and make a case against him, a glorious shining case that will be reinforced by your town flip. You are making this so easy. I am town. You "know" I am town. Why vote on me? ._. My point is that "if you are really a town player" you should be spending your resources to help me lynch syllo. You're not doing much to convince me right now. That is super odd to me. Clearly his logic makes no sense, and he's trying to buddy up to who he thinks will be an influential town player. LOL WUT LOL "an influential town player" Kurumi at that time? Are you fucking kidding me? Kurumi was caught scum and was self-destructing, and I figured on the off chance he was town I'd give him some advice on what to do before he died so that after the flip he'd look good. Are you even paying attention? Kurumi? Did you read the thread? Come on, man, there's tons of evidence against me, tons of qutoes you could use, and you used THAT ONE? Did you just quote a random post from me or what? Put some serious effort in. It's not THAT HARD. LOL Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 05:47 Blazinghand wrote:On July 19 2012 05:44 HiroPro wrote:On July 19 2012 05:40 marvellosity wrote:
pretty likely scum. from what i've seen he doesn't really afk as town yet he got himself modkilled as scum in LV for no apparent reason.
Flip flopping on BH due to his self-vote past the deadline. Now I don't particularly like that either, but it's not like he didn't admit to it straight away. Then he's justifying his read with the crap about influential town Kurumi.
clearly smacks of not reading the thread and if you're attempting to make a case knowing nothing about thread happenings then actually you're just shitting things up = scum.  Everyone please read the last 3/4 page with Zealos and his filter. He's scum. I concur. I hate to OMGUS but I really can't see a town player doing what zealos did, which was to not read the thread, find someone who's a bit scummy and pressure him in a shitty way that reveals unwittingly that he hasn't been reading the thread at all. At first I just couldn't stop laughing at how bad it was, but it's just super clear Zealos is scum, so he'll have my vote come daybreak. Case basically writes itself. Much kudos to HiroPro for staying on Zealos this whole time. Zealos should be the D3 lynch imo
On July 20 2012 04:12 Blazinghand wrote:Like, I wish I could write MORE on Zealos, but his strategy this entire game has been to never post except to show up and call things "odd" and "weird" and then dissappear and lurk more. His attack on me is scummy as dicks, and then this: Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 05:26 Zealos wrote:
I'll just go ahead and vote for BH at the start of day2 then leave you guys to it. bb, like, what? What about kurumi, what about making a real case, what about checking in on things or being remotely helpful? This is scum trying to skate by, every one of his choices this game is clearly undefendable from town motivation, but easily has scum motivation.
That plus Sandro's claim against him, whatever credibility you hold in Sandro, is the Zealos case
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Foolishness
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I still don't see a case. I just read his filter and I don't see any of the things you guys are accusing him of.
"I concur. I hate to OMGUS but I really can't see a town player doing what zealos did, which was to not read the thread, find someone who's a bit scummy and pressure him in a shitty way that reveals unwittingly that he hasn't been reading the thread at all. "
"This is scum trying to skate by, every one of his choices this game is clearly undefendable from town motivation, but easily has scum motivation."
Until you quote relevant posts and explain how he pressured someone in a shitty way and how everything he does has "scum motivation" then there's zero reason why we should be lynching him, and all you're doing is distracting the town from other people we shoudl be focusing on.
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On July 21 2012 02:16 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 02:01 rastaban wrote:On July 21 2012 01:49 Foolishness wrote:On July 21 2012 01:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On July 21 2012 01:14 Foolishness wrote:On July 21 2012 00:57 Palmar wrote:
your persistence is amazing kurumi.
Did I mention katina is scum? How about you look into her? Don't trash one of the few people that's making sense this game. looool Your contributions to this game have been overwhelming foolishness, I have seen the light and realized that katina is indeed valuable to the town. How could I have not seen this before... riiiiiight. Anyway we need to all make sure kurumi dies today. There's no excuse if he somehow wiggles out of this again. People need to remember this, it doesn't matter what alignment sandroba is at this point, kurumi got caught hook line and sinker. It'd be actually retarded if he somehow gets away. It's great to discuss more potential lynch targets but everyone needs to make sure the kurumi lynch happens today. I've seen a couple people call him town in the last couple pages (cough rastaban cough) this is just grossly negligent failure to read the thread, don't let this sentiment somehow take hold. Again, if you think about it, it doesn't matter which side sandro is on for kurumi to be scum. Well you should have seen it a lot of earlier. Can you give me a name of someone who makes more sense? I can only think of two people in which you can make an argument for. It's fine to discuss potential lynch targets, the issue is that it is day two and literally every player has been accused. There's absolutely zero focus. One page people are talking about Zealos, 3 pages later it's about Chezinu. With so many cases it's hard to tell who is actually trying to make a case (townies) and who's just fueling the fire (mafia). From what I can see though the people of interest in this regard are Blazinghand (should be obvious by now), marvellosity, and HiroPro. supersoft, Mattchew, Probulous, Palmar and yourself are somewhat guilty but not to the same extent. Other than BM where should the focus be? Don't you beleive that Kurumi and Zealos are scum? We have BH after both of them. I am confused on what you want to focus on, is their more to discuss on these 3 players? I am just confused as to what you mean by wanting to focus. It seems to me that town is pretty agreed on the next, 2 if not 3 lynches. Clearly there's still plenty more to discuss as the number of times I've seen a unique "Player X should be our day 3 lynch" is substantial. Kurumi yes (that's why I've voted for him), Blazinghand yes, Bill Murray yes, Zealos I'm not convinced at all. Frankly there's no real case against him. You and blazinghand and Kurumi (as well as a few others) have all claimed he's mafia but have yet to provide more than a single sentence explanation. It was the same thing that happened with austin yesterday; nobody really made a case against him, everyone just decided to sheep along with one persons' thoughts and jump ship. Until someone actually makes a case there's no reason why Zealos should be getting killed.
+ Show Spoiler [Zealos] +On July 19 2012 05:16 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 05:00 HiroPro wrote:
Zealos, who would you like to kill other than austin? Don't say Kurumi.
And can you explain your vote for austin? What did you find scummy? Unfortunately my vote for austin was a rush vote where I voted for who seemed to have a decent case against them. I simply didn't have time to look over the whole thread, which is regrettable. As for today, I think a good kill would be BH. I gather it's pretty much a wagon at this point, but just to add to things: Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 07:43 Blazinghand wrote:On July 17 2012 07:42 Kurumi wrote:On July 17 2012 07:41 Blazinghand wrote:On July 17 2012 07:40 Kurumi wrote:On July 17 2012 07:38 Blazinghand wrote:
You know kurumi we got like tons of time maybe if you're really a town player you can help convince these people to lynch syllo after you die Meapak_Zipph is scum, I don't care about syllo. And why I would work for you, who the hell are you? Are you sure? Cause Syllo looks pretty scummy to me. You should read the cases on him and make a case against him, a glorious shining case that will be reinforced by your town flip. You are making this so easy. I am town. You "know" I am town. Why vote on me? ._. My point is that "if you are really a town player" you should be spending your resources to help me lynch syllo. You're not doing much to convince me right now. That is super odd to me. Clearly his logic makes no sense, and he's trying to buddy up to who he thinks will be an influential town player. The post I made early about him also pointed his odd vote switch after the deadline, which doesn't seem town at all to me. Not to mention the massive cuffle with all the nuking and blocking (which I still don't understand at all, are nukes standard in some games?) So he's my pick so far. On July 19 2012 05:25 HiroPro wrote:
Like if you had told me that BH was being useless by talking to Kurumi, I might have believed that. But "buddying up to an influential town player". Really? On July 19 2012 05:31 HiroPro wrote:Wait a second.... You're the guy who said this about BH day 1: Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 19:55 Zealos wrote:On July 17 2012 19:08 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On July 17 2012 12:35 Blazinghand wrote:On July 17 2012 12:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
Well, if he were town, he would have used his block power to block Kurumi from nuking RoL, since Kurumi's nuke was mod-confirmed BEFORE Chezinu used ##nuke in the thread. Kurumi being scum doesn't mean RoL is town. Even if Kurumi is one of the managers, he still has very little idea who he's actually shooting, and RoL isn't exactly captain mctownerson to begin with. *I*, on the other hand, am 100% confirmed town (to myself). I think every time I have used this logic of "I know I am 100% town" I have been scum. I actually don't ever recall seeing anyone use this as town. ##Vote: BlazingHand I've used that logic on myself several times as town. I also feel like we might have overtunneled BH for a few fairly weak reasons and given the mafia players an easy free lynch. Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 07:40 Zealos wrote:
I don't like the idea of a BH lynch right now. I don't think there is enough against him, and if he does flip town we've lost a good vet.
And now your read is completely different. Despite the fact that the Kurumi post you quoted and the brunt of the case against BH was made very early on, well before you say that you didn't like a BH case. On July 19 2012 10:06 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 09:53 layabout wrote:On July 19 2012 09:31 HiroPro wrote:On July 19 2012 09:11 layabout wrote:Do the accusations agaisnt zealos go beyond him not reading properly, contradicting himself and deciding to do something that will hurt town? I would like to add that as a town replacement he didn't read very thoroughly in Bang Bang 2, he shot after expressing that he wouldn't earlier on and he committed to shooting early when doing so only hurt town's interests. + Show Spoiler [Bitter? who is bitter?] +On June 20 2012 06:40 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2012 04:51 Zealos wrote:
Dirkzor - Town
Zealos - Town
layabout - Unsure
Kenpachi - ???
RebirthOfLegend - Town
MrZentor - Leaning Town
Toadesstern - Town
I want to see Ken shoot layabout or MrZentor. Thoughts? Why did you just post a list that shows the varying degrees to which you think players are town at night? Why do you provide no explanations whatsoever? Why have you not formed a coherent stance on me? Why are you willing to let Mr. zentor die when you have 4 town reads you are leaning town on Mr Zentor and you are unsure about 2 players? Need i point out that there are only two anti-town players left? I think that zealos should shoot kenpachi. Also no shooting early on! People (should) have stuff to post.+ Show Spoiler +*glares at everyone with contempt* On June 20 2012 07:11 Zealos wrote:
I'm not shooting unless someone plans to shoot me, otherwise I waste the information I can gain from seeing who can shoot.
I would prefer Ken to shoot you laya, obviously, but if the rest of the town is strongly for a zentor kill, then that can work too. With only 3 people who I am unsure about, the shot WILL hit either the sk or mafia. On June 21 2012 02:13 layabout wrote:
It is very important that if i am alive i have the opportunity to post tomorrow.
Please don't fuck up another game. On June 21 2012 03:13 layabout wrote:Suck my dick. I have to wait until day to post it because posting it at night would be harmful to town.There is no reason for town to shoot before i get back to the thread and have a chance to post. Tomorrow may be lylo and an early shot is a less informed shot. The only two people that have expressed a desire for me to die are zealos and kenpachi. The reasons zealos has given are defensible from his standpoint (except that he doesn't explain any of his town reads and yet still offers them publicly) and kenpachi has told us that i am scummy. On June 21 2012 03:23 MrZentor wrote:
Yeah, Zealos, there's no reason for layabout to post it now, and you're a lot scummier than he is. On June 21 2012 19:43 Zealos wrote:
If mafia shot ken then he's stupid.
##kill(##kill): layabout
If dirk isn't town then shit. On June 21 2012 19:56 Ace wrote:Day 6
layabout, Vanilla Towny has been shot+ Show Spoiler [Role] +
You are a Vanilla Towny. You've had enough. No more sitting around voting on who's guilty. You've got a gun, and people will learn to listen to you or get bent. Any time during the day you may type ##kill(##Kill): player in the thread and shoot them. The day will end once you shoot. Once you have shot, you have to wait X number of days to shoot again where X is based on the total number of times you've shot during the game. So if you've shot at 2 people during the game, you have to wait 2 days before shooting again.
You win when all anti-town players are eliminated. Good luck!
You don't think the fact that he initially says he has no intention of lynching BH, then based on the same exact evidence later tells me that BH is the person he would kill (and based on a complete bs reason: BH buddying to "influential townie" Kurumi) is scummy? That is not what happened. On July 17 2012 19:55 Zealos wrote:On July 17 2012 19:08 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On July 17 2012 12:35 Blazinghand wrote:On July 17 2012 12:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
Well, if he were town, he would have used his block power to block Kurumi from nuking RoL, since Kurumi's nuke was mod-confirmed BEFORE Chezinu used ##nuke in the thread. Kurumi being scum doesn't mean RoL is town. Even if Kurumi is one of the managers, he still has very little idea who he's actually shooting, and RoL isn't exactly captain mctownerson to begin with. *I*, on the other hand, am 100% confirmed town (to myself). I think every time I have used this logic of "I know I am 100% town" I have been scum. I actually don't ever recall seeing anyone use this as town.##Vote: BlazingHand I've used that logic on myself several times as town. I also feel like we might have overtunneled BH for a few fairly weak reasons and given the mafia players an easy free lynch. Zealos contradicts RoL reason for his vote. He thinks that "we" might have overtunneled BH with relatively weak reasons. He does not say that he has not intention to lynch BH merely that he has doubts. Now i think there were more reasons for lynching BH in the intervening time but i am too tired to find them. On July 19 2012 05:16 Zealos wrote:On July 19 2012 05:00 HiroPro wrote:
Zealos, who would you like to kill other than austin? Don't say Kurumi.
And can you explain your vote for austin? What did you find scummy? Unfortunately my vote for austin was a rush vote where I voted for who seemed to have a decent case against them. I simply didn't have time to look over the whole thread, which is regrettable. As for today, I think a good kill would be BH. I gather it's pretty much a wagon at this point, but just to add to things: On July 17 2012 07:43 Blazinghand wrote:On July 17 2012 07:42 Kurumi wrote:On July 17 2012 07:41 Blazinghand wrote:On July 17 2012 07:40 Kurumi wrote:On July 17 2012 07:38 Blazinghand wrote:
You know kurumi we got like tons of time maybe if you're really a town player you can help convince these people to lynch syllo after you die Meapak_Zipph is scum, I don't care about syllo. And why I would work for you, who the hell are you? Are you sure? Cause Syllo looks pretty scummy to me. You should read the cases on him and make a case against him, a glorious shining case that will be reinforced by your town flip. You are making this so easy. I am town. You "know" I am town. Why vote on me? ._. My point is that "if you are really a town player" you should be spending your resources to help me lynch syllo. You're not doing much to convince me right now. That is super odd to me. Clearly his logic makes no sense, and he's trying to buddy up to who he thinks will be an influential town player. The post I made early about him also pointed his odd vote switch after the deadline, which doesn't seem town at all to me. Not to mention the massive cuffle with all the nuking and blocking (which I still don't understand at all, are nukes standard in some games?) So he's my pick so far. He says that in addition to what has been said already that BH's behaviuor was odd, both in his "post deadline voteswitch" and his "nuke blocking cuffle". When Zealos says he would kill BH it is after a number of new reason to kill him have come to light it is not for the same reasons that he earlier referenced but never explicitly mentioned. He says again later that he does not want to lynch BH and this is well into day 1. The nuke blocking stuff has already been completely covered by WBG at this point. Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 07:40 Zealos wrote:On July 18 2012 06:38 risk.nuke wrote:On July 18 2012 06:21 marvellosity wrote:
for tonight, 6h 40 mins Okey good thanks, I just finnished reading up on the thread and I'd say I did better then skimming but not really a thorough readthrough either. Right now I'm feeling of a mind to join in on the austin wagon. It seems nice there. Unfortunatly I'm going to have to go with this. Having only recently replaced in and having been out all day today, I'm just gonna vote for the person that seems the most scummy recently. I don't like the idea of a BH lynch right now. I don't think there is enough against him, and if he does flip town we've lost a good vet. ##Vote: austinmcc So the only point that came up new was BH's post deadline vote-switch. I find it very hard to believe that alone is enough to shift from a lynch he doesn't like to the person he would most like to kill (other than Kurumi. Additionally, look at his behavior when I started talking to him. As soon I become a little suspicious he completely leaves the thread and says that he'll just vote for BH when the day starts and leave people to do what they like. On July 19 2012 10:48 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 10:19 layabout wrote:On July 19 2012 10:08 HiroPro wrote:
Also, you still did not explain why a town Zealos would ever try to argue that BH was trying to buddy "influential townie" Kurumi. I have a very low opinion of town Zealos and that i something i think he could do if e hadn't been reading the thread. What you said he did was not accurate and this play from Zealos reminds me very much of how he acted at the end of Bang Bang mafia 2. Zealos said that he would vote for Blazinghand and not come back for the rest of the day. If he is town and he cares then he will come back and try to be productive there is nothing to stop him doing this as mafia but if he doesn't do it he is probably mafia and we should lynch him. Ok, I read his filter. I was too lazy to read the thread going on at the same time. I think your opinion of his town play is a little low - while he's certainly not what I would call very helpful and the shot seemed bad (I can't judge that well), he seems to have more involvement in the thread - and he did identify Zentor as scum correctly...
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Kill sand if you want to know the truth... there be some communicahtions that are goingz about... these messages takes a lots of the times to get to where they be the be going... so you beetter bees the living when you the gets this! or your gonna have to the protect the Director of the Communication!
Is the message I received. I received it shortly after guessing that Chez is a message sender and he confirmed sending it to me.
Here's what I think should happen. IMO Sandroba should send me a message to confirm that he can (can we agree that it's probable that scum aren't going to "fall" for his shenannies anymore if he's town?).
If Sandroba is unable to send me a message, then he's an Executive and has been bussing his department. If he IS able, then tomorrow we figure out which of Sandroba/Chezinu is scum. Because two people having that power on town side seems ridiculously unfair to scum, I think that would make one of them scum. Does anyone disagree with this?
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Blazinghand
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Man why is foolishness all up in my butt about zealos, shouldn't he be attacking me for a myriad of other reasons
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We haven't even seen Kurumi and Zealos flip, VE....
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On July 21 2012 02:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
If he IS able, then tomorrow we figure out which of Sandroba/Chezinu is scum. Because two people having that power on town side seems ridiculously unfair to scum, I think that would make one of them scum. Does anyone disagree with this?
And this is such a bad assumption to make....
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So you disagree - hence my question. Thanks for your input Hiro. <3
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I find it interesting that you didn't take issue with the FIRST assumption, that if he is UNABLE, then he's certainly scum bussing his department...which is more of an empirical statement and actually more of an assumption. :/
I'd like everyone's thoughts plz.
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On July 21 2012 02:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
I find it interesting that you didn't take issue with the FIRST assumption, that if he is UNABLE, then he's certainly scum bussing his department...which is more of an empirical statement and actually more of an assumption. :/
I'd like everyone's thoughts plz.
Hence why I said "we haven't seen kurumi and zealos flip, VE....."
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Blazinghand
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On July 21 2012 02:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
I find it interesting that you didn't take issue with the FIRST assumption, that if he is UNABLE, then he's certainly scum bussing his department...which is more of an empirical statement and actually more of an assumption. :/
I'd like everyone's thoughts plz.
Lynch Zeal + Kuru, but in the meantime test sandro (since one or both could be bus)
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Rofl, I can't believe the retardation going on in the last pages. And no I'm not going to message a person you choose. If you want to find out if I'm mafia or not without using your heads I guess you are going to have to lynch me.
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Blazinghand
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On July 21 2012 02:41 sandroba wrote:
Rofl, I can't believe the retardation going on in the last pages. And no I'm not going to message a person you choose. If you want to find out if I'm mafia or not without using your heads I guess you are going to have to lynch me.
I don't like your attitude in this post. Shouldn't you be wanting to be as confirmed-townie as possible?
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