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sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 20 2012 17:45 GMT
#2201
I don't like your lack of logic. I guess we are even.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 20 2012 17:45 GMT
#2202
You know what I find interesting Foolishness? The fact that Kurumi's response to sandroba's message is enough for you to kill him, but Zealos's response to sandroba's message isn't even worth mentioning in your read.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
July 20 2012 17:46 GMT
#2203
On July 21 2012 02:45 sandroba wrote:
I don't like your lack of logic. I guess we are even.


Well. I'm just saying, one of us is like a super baller town leader who's helping town to supposedly get 2 good lynches, and the other is sandro and should stop being butthurt and help the town
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
July 20 2012 17:49 GMT
#2204
-The Chairman of the Board and the Chairman of Marketing know 3 minions each. They can send orders to one minion every half cycle.

Seems to me that as soon as sandro sends a message to 4 people he'll be confirmed, I see no reason to kill him until it becomes apparent he can't do this.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
July 20 2012 17:59 GMT
#2205
On July 21 2012 02:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
-The Chairman of the Board and the Chairman of Marketing know 3 minions each. They can send orders to one minion every half cycle.

Seems to me that as soon as sandro sends a message to 4 people he'll be confirmed, I see no reason to kill him until it becomes apparent he can't do this.


You're pretty loose with your interpretation of the rules MZ. :/
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 20 2012 18:01 GMT
#2206
On July 21 2012 02:16 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 02:01 rastaban wrote:
On July 21 2012 01:49 Foolishness wrote:
On July 21 2012 01:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 21 2012 01:14 Foolishness wrote:
On July 21 2012 00:57 Palmar wrote:
your persistence is amazing kurumi.

Did I mention katina is scum? How about you look into her?

Don't trash one of the few people that's making sense this game.

looool
Your contributions to this game have been overwhelming foolishness, I have seen the light and realized that katina is indeed valuable to the town. How could I have not seen this before... riiiiiight.

Anyway we need to all make sure kurumi dies today. There's no excuse if he somehow wiggles out of this again. People need to remember this, it doesn't matter what alignment sandroba is at this point, kurumi got caught hook line and sinker. It'd be actually retarded if he somehow gets away.

It's great to discuss more potential lynch targets but everyone needs to make sure the kurumi lynch happens today. I've seen a couple people call him town in the last couple pages (cough rastaban cough) this is just grossly negligent failure to read the thread, don't let this sentiment somehow take hold. Again, if you think about it, it doesn't matter which side sandro is on for kurumi to be scum.

Well you should have seen it a lot of earlier. Can you give me a name of someone who makes more sense? I can only think of two people in which you can make an argument for.

It's fine to discuss potential lynch targets, the issue is that it is day two and literally every player has been accused. There's absolutely zero focus. One page people are talking about Zealos, 3 pages later it's about Chezinu. With so many cases it's hard to tell who is actually trying to make a case (townies) and who's just fueling the fire (mafia). From what I can see though the people of interest in this regard are Blazinghand (should be obvious by now), marvellosity, and HiroPro. supersoft, Mattchew, Probulous, Palmar and yourself are somewhat guilty but not to the same extent.


Other than BM where should the focus be? Don't you beleive that Kurumi and Zealos are scum? We have BH after both of them. I am confused on what you want to focus on, is their more to discuss on these 3 players? I am just confused as to what you mean by wanting to focus. It seems to me that town is pretty agreed on the next, 2 if not 3 lynches.

Clearly there's still plenty more to discuss as the number of times I've seen a unique "Player X should be our day 3 lynch" is substantial.

Kurumi yes (that's why I've voted for him), Blazinghand yes, Bill Murray yes, Zealos I'm not convinced at all. Frankly there's no real case against him. You and blazinghand and Kurumi (as well as a few others) have all claimed he's mafia but have yet to provide more than a single sentence explanation. It was the same thing that happened with austin yesterday; nobody really made a case against him, everyone just decided to sheep along with one persons' thoughts and jump ship. Until someone actually makes a case there's no reason why Zealos should be getting killed.


you're so cute. You say I just go along with the flow of the cases and stir the pot, and then you say this... when I was one the biggest outspoken babes at the time fighting AGAINST what you're saying was a silly austin lynch. adorable <3
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
July 20 2012 18:03 GMT
#2207
On July 21 2012 02:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 02:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
-The Chairman of the Board and the Chairman of Marketing know 3 minions each. They can send orders to one minion every half cycle.

Seems to me that as soon as sandro sends a message to 4 people he'll be confirmed, I see no reason to kill him until it becomes apparent he can't do this.


You're pretty loose with your interpretation of the rules MZ. :/

I have no idea what you're talking about. The OP says the chairmen dudes can send PMs to their minions, they have three minions each. Once sandroba sends to more than three people we'll know he's not a chairmen. I didn't really feel it necessary to include this one:

-The CEO knows the Chairman of the Board and the Chairman of Marketing. He can send orders to one of them every half cycle.


Since it's obvious that if he's not a chairman he can't be the CEO.


Where exactly is my interpretation bad?
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 20 2012 18:05 GMT
#2208
On July 21 2012 02:43 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 02:41 sandroba wrote:
Rofl, I can't believe the retardation going on in the last pages. And no I'm not going to message a person you choose. If you want to find out if I'm mafia or not without using your heads I guess you are going to have to lynch me.


I don't like your attitude in this post. Shouldn't you be wanting to be as confirmed-townie as possible?


this. why deliberately obstruct town?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 20 2012 18:06 GMT
#2209
On July 21 2012 03:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 02:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
On July 21 2012 02:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
-The Chairman of the Board and the Chairman of Marketing know 3 minions each. They can send orders to one minion every half cycle.

Seems to me that as soon as sandro sends a message to 4 people he'll be confirmed, I see no reason to kill him until it becomes apparent he can't do this.


You're pretty loose with your interpretation of the rules MZ. :/

I have no idea what you're talking about. The OP says the chairmen dudes can send PMs to their minions, they have three minions each. Once sandroba sends to more than three people we'll know he's not a chairmen. I didn't really feel it necessary to include this one:

Show nested quote +
-The CEO knows the Chairman of the Board and the Chairman of Marketing. He can send orders to one of them every half cycle.


Since it's obvious that if he's not a chairman he can't be the CEO.


Where exactly is my interpretation bad?


I don't think your idea make sense because there's no way to tell who messages are sent by. But in any case, sandroba is very likely town.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 20 2012 18:09 GMT
#2210
Sandroba, what was your reasoning behind picking Zealos?
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
July 20 2012 18:10 GMT
#2211
On July 21 2012 02:45 HiroPro wrote:
You know what I find interesting Foolishness? The fact that Kurumi's response to sandroba's message is enough for you to kill him, but Zealos's response to sandroba's message isn't even worth mentioning in your read.

Your "case" against him is taking things completely out of context. Zealos said early on he didn't like the BH lynch cause it was overtunneled and had weak reasons. He changed his opinion later on and he even said so and gave a reason why. I'm pretty sure I can find at least two other people who didn't like the BH lynch at first either but then changed their minds later (Probulous and VE come to my mind, correct me if I'm wrong though).

What's the rest of your case about? It seems to me to be all about not voting BH and then deciding to vote him. He clearly explained himself (yeah I agree not the best explanation in the world, but you're nitpicking at nothing).

Again, post a case otherwise there's no reason to be talking about lynching this guy.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
July 20 2012 18:12 GMT
#2212
On July 21 2012 03:10 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 02:45 HiroPro wrote:
You know what I find interesting Foolishness? The fact that Kurumi's response to sandroba's message is enough for you to kill him, but Zealos's response to sandroba's message isn't even worth mentioning in your read.

Your "case" against him is taking things completely out of context. Zealos said early on he didn't like the BH lynch cause it was overtunneled and had weak reasons. He changed his opinion later on and he even said so and gave a reason why. I'm pretty sure I can find at least two other people who didn't like the BH lynch at first either but then changed their minds later (Probulous and VE come to my mind, correct me if I'm wrong though).

What's the rest of your case about? It seems to me to be all about not voting BH and then deciding to vote him. He clearly explained himself (yeah I agree not the best explanation in the world, but you're nitpicking at nothing).

Again, post a case otherwise there's no reason to be talking about lynching this guy.


Don't forget the parts where he's not doing anything helpful and then gets outed by sandro.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
July 20 2012 18:15 GMT
#2213
On July 21 2012 03:01 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 02:16 Foolishness wrote:
On July 21 2012 02:01 rastaban wrote:
On July 21 2012 01:49 Foolishness wrote:
On July 21 2012 01:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 21 2012 01:14 Foolishness wrote:
On July 21 2012 00:57 Palmar wrote:
your persistence is amazing kurumi.

Did I mention katina is scum? How about you look into her?

Don't trash one of the few people that's making sense this game.

looool
Your contributions to this game have been overwhelming foolishness, I have seen the light and realized that katina is indeed valuable to the town. How could I have not seen this before... riiiiiight.

Anyway we need to all make sure kurumi dies today. There's no excuse if he somehow wiggles out of this again. People need to remember this, it doesn't matter what alignment sandroba is at this point, kurumi got caught hook line and sinker. It'd be actually retarded if he somehow gets away.

It's great to discuss more potential lynch targets but everyone needs to make sure the kurumi lynch happens today. I've seen a couple people call him town in the last couple pages (cough rastaban cough) this is just grossly negligent failure to read the thread, don't let this sentiment somehow take hold. Again, if you think about it, it doesn't matter which side sandro is on for kurumi to be scum.

Well you should have seen it a lot of earlier. Can you give me a name of someone who makes more sense? I can only think of two people in which you can make an argument for.

It's fine to discuss potential lynch targets, the issue is that it is day two and literally every player has been accused. There's absolutely zero focus. One page people are talking about Zealos, 3 pages later it's about Chezinu. With so many cases it's hard to tell who is actually trying to make a case (townies) and who's just fueling the fire (mafia). From what I can see though the people of interest in this regard are Blazinghand (should be obvious by now), marvellosity, and HiroPro. supersoft, Mattchew, Probulous, Palmar and yourself are somewhat guilty but not to the same extent.


Other than BM where should the focus be? Don't you beleive that Kurumi and Zealos are scum? We have BH after both of them. I am confused on what you want to focus on, is their more to discuss on these 3 players? I am just confused as to what you mean by wanting to focus. It seems to me that town is pretty agreed on the next, 2 if not 3 lynches.

Clearly there's still plenty more to discuss as the number of times I've seen a unique "Player X should be our day 3 lynch" is substantial.

Kurumi yes (that's why I've voted for him), Blazinghand yes, Bill Murray yes, Zealos I'm not convinced at all. Frankly there's no real case against him. You and blazinghand and Kurumi (as well as a few others) have all claimed he's mafia but have yet to provide more than a single sentence explanation. It was the same thing that happened with austin yesterday; nobody really made a case against him, everyone just decided to sheep along with one persons' thoughts and jump ship. Until someone actually makes a case there's no reason why Zealos should be getting killed.


you're so cute. You say I just go along with the flow of the cases and stir the pot, and then you say this... when I was one the biggest outspoken babes at the time fighting AGAINST what you're saying was a silly austin lynch. adorable <3

Don't take what I said out of context. I said you subtly like to push any and all cases that come up against you and I said you don't like to make cases and instead fuel the fire on other cases that are made. I said nothing about austin in there.

I don't literally expect you to push every single case that comes up. If that was true you would have accused everyone in the game of being mafia by now. Don't be silly.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
July 20 2012 18:16 GMT
#2214
On July 21 2012 03:10 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 02:45 HiroPro wrote:
You know what I find interesting Foolishness? The fact that Kurumi's response to sandroba's message is enough for you to kill him, but Zealos's response to sandroba's message isn't even worth mentioning in your read.

Your "case" against him is taking things completely out of context. Zealos said early on he didn't like the BH lynch cause it was overtunneled and had weak reasons. He changed his opinion later on and he even said so and gave a reason why. I'm pretty sure I can find at least two other people who didn't like the BH lynch at first either but then changed their minds later (Probulous and VE come to my mind, correct me if I'm wrong though).

What's the rest of your case about? It seems to me to be all about not voting BH and then deciding to vote him. He clearly explained himself (yeah I agree not the best explanation in the world, but you're nitpicking at nothing).

Again, post a case otherwise there's no reason to be talking about lynching this guy.

Isn't the biggest issue the fact that he covered up the fact that he had been PMed? How is that any different that what Kurumi did? To me it is worse since by that point it was made known that Sandroba was using that tactic and yet Zealos didn't come forward.
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
July 20 2012 18:18 GMT
#2215
- Kurumi's PM said to do something, which he did
- Zealos didn't say anything about his PM

The responses are different. Kurumi obeyed a PM when we didn't know anyone but mafia could send messages. Zealos didn't mention his PM, and either hasn't read thread or is pretending not to read thread and know about Sandroba's claim, and either didn't understand that the message sounded like mafia orders or is pretending not to understand what it sounded like.
Fe fi fo fum.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
July 20 2012 18:20 GMT
#2216
On July 21 2012 03:18 austinmcc wrote:
- Kurumi's PM said to do something, which he did
- Zealos didn't say anything about his PM

The responses are different. Kurumi obeyed a PM when we didn't know anyone but mafia could send messages. Zealos didn't mention his PM, and either hasn't read thread or is pretending not to read thread and know about Sandroba's claim, and either didn't understand that the message sounded like mafia orders or is pretending not to understand what it sounded like.


the natural response, as a townie, if you received a PM that looked like orders, is to post it to the thread. why would you do anything but that? The only reason you wouldn't is if you were scum and you thought those orders were for you.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
July 20 2012 18:21 GMT
#2217
On July 21 2012 03:12 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 03:10 Foolishness wrote:
On July 21 2012 02:45 HiroPro wrote:
You know what I find interesting Foolishness? The fact that Kurumi's response to sandroba's message is enough for you to kill him, but Zealos's response to sandroba's message isn't even worth mentioning in your read.

Your "case" against him is taking things completely out of context. Zealos said early on he didn't like the BH lynch cause it was overtunneled and had weak reasons. He changed his opinion later on and he even said so and gave a reason why. I'm pretty sure I can find at least two other people who didn't like the BH lynch at first either but then changed their minds later (Probulous and VE come to my mind, correct me if I'm wrong though).

What's the rest of your case about? It seems to me to be all about not voting BH and then deciding to vote him. He clearly explained himself (yeah I agree not the best explanation in the world, but you're nitpicking at nothing).

Again, post a case otherwise there's no reason to be talking about lynching this guy.


Don't forget the parts where he's not doing anything helpful and then gets outed by sandro.

Here's a list of people who aren't doing anything helpful:

Sloosh, HiroPro, Bill Murray, MZ, austin, syllogism, GGQ, yourself, Kurumi, Mattchew, marvellosity, risk,nuke, Qbertz, Palmar, and Zealos.

Hardly a reason to be killing Zealos when I can easily say the same thing about any of the above players. Furthermore from what I understand sandroba sent him a message and he didn't post it. From his filter it's quite clear to me the guy has no idea what's going on in the game, I don't see anything unnatural about how he handled the situation. Dumb/bored townie != mafia.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
July 20 2012 18:23 GMT
#2218
sandroba didn't send Kurumi a PM
On July 19 2012 02:49 sandroba wrote:
Yes I am denying it. I didn't message kurumi. There are 9 mafia in this game so I guess I'm one short I'm sorry. And yes I didn't know katina was mafia for sure until her recent post that says she is mafia. Please teach me so I can do better.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
July 20 2012 18:23 GMT
#2219
On July 21 2012 03:21 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 03:12 Blazinghand wrote:
On July 21 2012 03:10 Foolishness wrote:
On July 21 2012 02:45 HiroPro wrote:
You know what I find interesting Foolishness? The fact that Kurumi's response to sandroba's message is enough for you to kill him, but Zealos's response to sandroba's message isn't even worth mentioning in your read.

Your "case" against him is taking things completely out of context. Zealos said early on he didn't like the BH lynch cause it was overtunneled and had weak reasons. He changed his opinion later on and he even said so and gave a reason why. I'm pretty sure I can find at least two other people who didn't like the BH lynch at first either but then changed their minds later (Probulous and VE come to my mind, correct me if I'm wrong though).

What's the rest of your case about? It seems to me to be all about not voting BH and then deciding to vote him. He clearly explained himself (yeah I agree not the best explanation in the world, but you're nitpicking at nothing).

Again, post a case otherwise there's no reason to be talking about lynching this guy.


Don't forget the parts where he's not doing anything helpful and then gets outed by sandro.

Here's a list of people who aren't doing anything helpful:

Sloosh, HiroPro, Bill Murray, MZ, austin, syllogism, GGQ, yourself, Kurumi, Mattchew, marvellosity, risk,nuke, Qbertz, Palmar, and Zealos.

Hardly a reason to be killing Zealos when I can easily say the same thing about any of the above players. Furthermore from what I understand sandroba sent him a message and he didn't post it. From his filter it's quite clear to me the guy has no idea what's going on in the game, I don't see anything unnatural about how he handled the situation. Dumb/bored townie != mafia.


AND he hasn't been reading the thread. Are all of these things just coincidences in your mind? Is Zealos just magically at the crossroads of all these scummy behaviors and patterns, each of which, sure, might individually happen t a townie, but all of which together point towards scum? It's like if you walk by someone and they make a weird face, ok, fine, but if you walk by 10 people and they all make weird faces it's time to check your deoderant
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
July 20 2012 18:25 GMT
#2220
On July 21 2012 03:23 Foolishness wrote:
sandroba didn't send Kurumi a PM
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 02:49 sandroba wrote:
Yes I am denying it. I didn't message kurumi. There are 9 mafia in this game so I guess I'm one short I'm sorry. And yes I didn't know katina was mafia for sure until her recent post that says she is mafia. Please teach me so I can do better.


Even more reason to lynch Zealos instead!
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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