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 Now we listen to VE. | ||
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Before you ask, he is the only person I am certain is town. | ||
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Risk Mattchew Qbertz BH Palmar That's off the top of my head. I need to retread but I am on my phone which makes it difficult. | ||
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On July 22 2012 09:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Foolish wtb town cred. ##Lynch Blazinghand <3 Prob. ##vote Chezinu Association tells are a go. Phoneposting. I am but your humble servent  | ||
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Palmar Meapak Risk Layabout gonzaw Possible mafia Mattchew Qbertz Zealos ##Vote: Palmar Time to read that Ole foolish filter. I don't think Chez is scum. He worked out my role but never outed it. I think he can check the names of roles because he correctly emphasised the first three letters of mine to me and only me. | ||
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Defends Chez (Ignore list, No case against him, 10x more transparent) Katina (interested, Don't trash one of the few people that's making sense this game) Mattchew (ignore list) Palmar (is town) Qberts (Suggests GM smurf, does nothing) Risk nuke (quotes him as saying town is dumb) Zealos (I'm not convinced, No case against him) Attacks BH (makes sense when he is mafia, should be obvious, not helpful, good analysis, solid case) BM (big case, not helpful, good analysis, solid case,.....) Chez (I didn't defend him) GGQ (not helpful, good analysis) Hiropro (Hiropro syndrome, people of interest, not helpful) Marvel (redirect nuke x2, follow up when questioned, people of interest, not helpful) Mattchew (Doesn't make sense, suggests Katina case, somewhat guilty, not helpful, solid case) Meapak (somewhat guilty. not helpful) Palmar (somewhat guilty, Not helpful, Page number stuff) Probulous (somewhat guilty) QBertz (not helpful) Risk (Not helpful) Supersoft (somewhat guilty) Syllo (Balls to the wall, not helpful, good analysis, solid case) Zealos (not helpful, solid case) austin (not helpful, good analysis) slOosh (not helpful) Just rough data. Will need to go through carefully and tease out intentions. | ||
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Notes: Foolishness Actions Defends Chez (Ignore list, No case against him, 10x more transparent) Katina (interested, Don't trash one of the few people that's making sense this game) Mattchew (ignore list) Palmar (is town) Qberts (Suggests GM smurf, does nothing) Risk nuke (quotes him as saying town is dumb) Zealos (I'm not convinced, No case against him) Attacks BH (makes sense when he is mafia, should be obvious, not helpful, good analysis, solid case) BM (big case, not helpful, good analysis, solid case,.....) Chez (I didn't defend him) GGQ (not helpful, good analysis) Hiropro (Hiropro syndrome, people of interest, not helpful) Marvel (redirect nuke x2, follow up when questioned, people of interest, not helpful) Mattchew (Doesn't make sense, suggests Katina case, somewhat guilty, not helpful, solid case) Meapak (somewhat guilty. not helpful) Palmar (somewhat guilty, Not helpful, Page number stuff) Probulous (somewhat guilty) QBertz (not helpful) Risk (Not helpful) Supersoft (somewhat guilty) Syllo (Balls to the wall, not helpful, good analysis, solid case) Zealos (not helpful, solid case) austin (not helpful, good analysis) slOosh (not helpful) I get this Makes an effort to defend Chez (Ignore list, No case against him, 10x more transparent) Katina (interested, Don't trash one of the few people that's making sense this game...) Palmar (is town with major defense) Attacks BM (big case, not helpful, good analysis, solid case,.....) Hiropro (Hiropro syndrome, people of interest, not helpful) Marvel (redirect nuke x2, follow up when questioned, people of interest, not helpful) Mattchew (Doesn't make sense, suggests Katina case, somewhat guilty, not helpful, solid case) Palmar (somewhat guilty, Not helpful, Page number stuff) Syllo (Balls to the wall, not helpful, good analysis, solid case) From this I gather Hiro and Marvel are likely town given Foolishness lacklustre attempts to discredit them without following through. Mattchew is a similar case where Fool uses Katina to bash him. Palmar is interesting because he was dead set on him being town but then changed later in the first day and into day 2 suggesting he got some new "news". Given his tunneling of Syllo who is town, I suspect BM received similar treatment. Compare the difference between his behaviour around Palmar and around Syllo, BM. The vehemence of his defense versus the pussy cat attack suggests he doesn't really want to lynch Palmar. Initial thoughts? | ||
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knew that when he died people would look at who he pressured, what would he do? Would he live up to his name, or would he set up fake reads??? I wouldn't put it past Fool. Given his insistence that Syllo is scum (unlikely) and BM has been open about his role and used it to help town, I think they were his false cases. Look at how hard he pushed them. As I said earlier, given Palmar's skill I find it highly unlikely that Foolishness just dropped his defense so a really soft attack if he genuinely wanted Palmar dead. | ||
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On July 20 2012 16:44 Chezinu wrote: FYI, the message I sent on day 1 was never posted... Muahhahaha I control the minionz muahhahaha.. I wonder if the person I messaged was a chairman... I wonder if he still is following my orders... orders that will reveal to me all of the mafia!!! muahahhahaaha Master Chez. This went to BH didn't it? PS. Why Merc Mini II? I am not sure I see the significance of banking in this game. | ||
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On July 22 2012 16:05 Chezinu wrote: serious time, The chairman of the board now has the power to decide the kills. However, it did not come without a loss. The chairman of the board as you know it has lost a valuable minion, BlazingHand. May he rest in pieces. Now is not the time for moaning for we have greater threats ahead of us. We have a leader that knows less than half the core. If the chairman does not prove his capabilities, the chairman of the market may strike. We cannot afford another rebellion at this time. For now is the time of war. As you have heard it many times before from a variety of worlds, war never changes. How do you know this? | ||
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Mattchew, do us a favour and stop tunnelling Katina. It makes you look like scum because that is all you ever do. | ||
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On July 22 2012 14:04 Chezinu wrote: town kills: 1 RoL town and mafia kills: 1 Kurrumi mafia kills: 4 WBG, Sand, Fool, BH Seems the mafia are better at killing the mafia than town is at killing mafia. I know I am asking you a bunch of questions, but that's because I value your opinion. Since VE killed BH, are you saying VE be scum? Similarly, Supersoft/SlOosh... | ||
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On July 22 2012 21:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Aside from myself and Probulous I seem to recall others unwilling to lynch BH D1 when gonzaw and he were on the block. I'm going back and specifically rereading that portion of the game to see if there's anything there...the Chairman of the Board knew BH would flip scum. Mattchew refused point blank with no real reasoning (BH town meta is he is crazy...) but remember minions don't know who is scum that early. So are unless you think Mattchew is an Exec I am not following your line of reasoning... | ||
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On July 20 2012 11:46 slOosh wrote: On Foolishness: many people (including sandroba!) think he is scum and I'm not seeing it. I'd have preferred if focused his energies on someone other than BM (opposed to other vets I would like better reads on such as Palmar, syllogism), but that's alignment null. So I've looked into BM to determine legitimacy of his read, which I find myself agreeing with and I'm surprised that BM has been so easily dismissed because people are hunting execs, because 1) mafia is mafia, so dismissing it purely on "hunt execs" makes no sense, and 2) to think an exec couldn't pretend to own his minion's power is a dangerous oversight. I think BM is trolling mafia as I don't see any town interest in his posts, opposed to Chezinu who is trolling but has a few posts in which he shows critical thought / town insights. So here he has a townish read on Fool who he then follows with his case on BM (Klicky). So nothing here indicating suspicion of Foolishness at all. Strangely he say Chez is trolling (excuse to ignore) but in a townie way. Ok, maybe that is a throw away line but then On July 21 2012 01:45 slOosh wrote: Chezinu has been spouting a lot of nonsense, and the fact BM expects me to take such claims as serious and valid makes no sense, nor does it logically follow that my reads are flawed due to this. I merely said that a few posts of his seem insightful, but to take every post of his seriously is nonsense. On July 21 2012 15:36 slOosh wrote: Does Chezinu actually have confirmed powers or not? I've started off ok ignoring him but he has begun to seriously hamper thread legibility. Which just makes people even less likely to read Chez. If you think Chez is town, why make excuses not to read his filter? Then comes this in his claim On July 22 2012 14:05 slOosh wrote: Prob is it clear from your role name what your ability is? Because from a minion perspective, the knowledge of someone's role is hard to use - even if you knew someone was blue you can only submit the name to CEO kill list, and outting something like that isn't a town thing to do in the first place. But I also thought he was some sort of messenger role? How is this information useful to town? Knowing my entire role is only beneficial to mafia. Even if my role name suggests a mafia role, the fact that I have proven I have a role that has been useful to town should make it clear I am not mafia. Why is outing a role name not in town's benefit? I can tell you that my role name sounds like a mafia role but Chez took the time to examine my filter, to question me and to evaluate whether I am mafia based on my play. The fact that I think he is town because he didn't out me should be enough. Especially for someone who thinks Chez is town. Note slOosh is not calling Chez scum but he is insinuating that I shouldn't trust him. I also find his statement that minions knowing blue roles is not useful for scum completely out of place. Correct me if I am wrong but a CEO who gets a list full of blues is going to be happier than if it was full of greens. Here is some more muck throwing at Chez On July 22 2012 15:04 slOosh wrote: Couldn't believe I'd pick up such an idea from Chezinu so I did some digging. So slOosh
Note: I have disregarded the claim because well, it is a claim and others are providing insight into that. | ||
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On July 23 2012 09:33 syllogism wrote: Your strongest scum read? Stronger than Palmar? Stronger than the guy who claimed 1-shot vig who can only shoot if no mafia has died in 1.5 cycle? There is no way she is your strongest read unless you are tunnelling or you are lying; i.e. you are mafia. Vote Palmar. Pretty much this. Mattchew latched onto Katina early Day 1 and has never looked back. This is despite her pushing Foolishness AND providing insights into other people's play. She has given us plenty of reasons to think she might be town but Mattchew never considers this a possibility. Coupled with his refusal to entertain the idea that BH was mafia, I think his game plan from Day 1 was to pick a target and tunnel them until they get lynched. This gives him an excuse not to actively participate and hopefully (for him that is) get a townie misslynched. | ||
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On July 23 2012 09:51 layabout wrote: I think Foolishness thought "Mafia never propose stupid things like random lynches day 1." and then it turned out not to be correct. If you think Palmar is town, why is it not correct? | ||
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Regarding Foolishness's Actions: On July 22 2012 12:15 Probulous wrote: Palmar is interesting because he (Fool) was dead set on him being town but then changed later in the first day and into day 2 suggesting he got some new "news". Given his tunneling of Syllo who is town, I suspect BM received similar treatment. Compare the difference between his behaviour around Palmar and around Syllo, BM. The vehemence of his defense versus the pussy cat attack suggests he doesn't really want to lynch Palmar. | ||
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On July 23 2012 10:05 syllogism wrote: I need to go, Probulous/VE/Katina push Palmar while I'm gone thanks. Anyone who is town has to vote Palmar today. Feel free to lynch me if he doesn't flip mafia.  I find it hilarious that two people who have lurked all game are defending Palmar with no evidence. They haven't even bothered to read the thread and contradict the cases against him. The evidence is there, we have pointed it out but suddenly he is town. | ||
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