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Evulrabbitz
Sweden134 Posts
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BassInSpace
Australia165 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On July 07 2012 13:43 BassInSpace wrote: I'm still not liking Mackin's posts. Here's why: + Show Spoiler + On July 06 2012 05:48 Mackin wrote: Hey guys, I've only caught up on what I've missed, but I want to provide some defense for myself from some FoS I've been getting. I feel it's a little unfair, but I'll explain myself each time someone has called me out. Ok, so yeah dropped off but not exactly available 24/7 so it's not really that strange - just different time zones / bed times is all. I agree I haven't contributed too much, but call me out on anything I say and I'll justify it. Ok Lazer, I'm ready to contribute - I'll be pretty active for a good while if I have anything to add  As I said before, don't jump to point the FoS on me just because I have different sleeping times than others. I see the post isn't exactly contradictory now but it still is worded badly, and I think I was one of two who misinterpreted what he was saying about roleclaiming. // I would agree with you on that point except for the fact that if you read the thread you would realise I wasn't the only one trying to get people talking by saying stuff about their names. If anything I've been pro-town by trying to get people to post which I think worked in some small part, because now it's clearer to see people's stance on each other since they have actually been posting. More posts in thread = more informed decisions - absolutely true in Mafia. Also for Hapahauli, you're using words like "huge red flag" and "very anti town" when my motive was simply to get the ball rolling in this game. I feel this is very harsh for how little I've posted, but hopefully I'll have something to add when I re-read everyone's posts. Back to JieXian: Focus on me all you want, I have nothing but valid reasons for posting what I have so far, call me out if you want an explanation. Hmm, I know you say I haven't posted anything of worth, but I disagree. As I have stated above, that in my eyes, it's not so much as the content I had posted but the post itself to get people talking is the main reason for my post. Anyway, the way I see it, I haven't exactly "bandwagoned" I just agree putting pressure on players earlier on as it helps to get them talking. Anyway, I'm gonna look into everyone's post again and post my thoughts on some of the other players... Inflates the contributions he's made to the thread. At that point, he hadn't promoted any discussion, all he did was make a few people talk about how scummy he is. Next: + Show Spoiler + On July 06 2012 07:15 Mackin wrote: I'm not exactly sure of what to think yet. Nobody has clearly made any big bold statements but whoever the Mafia are, they sure are trying their best to confuse the shit out of me. I can see why people say Mafia is more rewarding the more time you spend looking at it, it is really difficult to make an informed decision when half of the people are lying to you Release seems like he's on the town's side, as does Hapa, Zen and JieXian, who mostly has the same motive to get people talking as me. Many people have already given credible reasons for suspicion of others, including suspicion aimed at myself but I can see pretty much everyone isn't doing too bad at acting townie. False, at that point release and lazer were already starting to go at each other (although maybe this doesn't fit his definition of bold, so it's arguable), but Hapa was already attacking Hopeless, and had even dropped his vote on him already. He's being non-committal. He also gives the excuse that he is confused by everyone, possibly as a cover for his infrequent and generally content light posting, although I admit this may be digging a little too hard. And then we have this post: + Show Spoiler + On July 06 2012 08:42 Mackin wrote: @Hapa: Your case on Hopeless1der: I don't know what to think here. It's like Hopeless is really trying to build a case against you, he builds up quite alot in the first post and when you make your stance clear in your response, his response is to back down immediately. Maybe he just wanted to question you and test the water a bit? I don't think he's trying to genuinely full on attack and point the FoS here. I don't know why he starts going on about Release, if I was thinking more suspiciously of him, he maybe just wanted the conversation to change quickly and forget about building a case on you. Case vs. TMG26: Unless his English is really bad, I can see some basis for thinking he isn't exactly on townie side. He may be trying to be really diplomatic for the purposes of going through to the next day, but then again mafia will try to act diplomatic while pushing accusations at the same time like he did in that first quoted post. It's hard to know whats going on in that first post, because his English really isn't great so I'm undecided. I think the indecision may be out of fear of being lynched on day1 townie, but it's hard to know whether the indecision is because he isn't sure and doesn't want to accuse someone innocent or because he has a reason to be indecisive... I don't understand what he's trying to achieve. It does seem odd/slightly scummy but still undecided. Bass said: I don't quite understand. So you think that hopeless and jingle are mafia because hopeless defended jingle, but jingle and harry are actually your prime suspects? I'd just like this point clarified. All in all, TMG is my strongest read so far. I think that's a good point actually. why would harry be one of TMG's prime suspects if hopeless had defended jingle (if he is assuming jingle to be scummy?) Onto the case against Release: I think TMG's case against Release isn't so strong - anyone putting out an early FoS isn't that serious in D1 early stages as it keeps the discussion going and there is no strong points in the post you (hapa) have linked, whereas Evul brings up a better worded, but still annoyingly confusing case against him. I can see why he calls out certain things Release has said, but nothing said actually sounds too scummy to me, but I know I could easily be missing something. Anyway, I'm getting really tired, damn GMT time so I might have to goto bed soon Again, claiming that he doesn't know what to think/is confused, thereby not taking a stance on either hopeless or TMG. And then, out of nowhere, this: No explanation before or after. Not even a post. At that point it was 3 votes a piece for Hopeless and Lazer. I'm thinking this is a throwaway vote on someone who is highly unlikely to be lynched; again, being very non-committal. It will be interesting to see how zen man responds now, since he promised a proper post on Lazer on day 2. | ||
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Evulrabbitz
Sweden134 Posts
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BassInSpace
Australia165 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On July 08 2012 12:28 Evulrabbitz wrote: In my opinion there is no point for the tracker to claim at this point. Maybe closer to the night if he can prevent a mislynch but for the moment there is no point to it unless he have evidence against a mafia(which I highly doubt). I still like the idea of tracker role-claiming, especially if we can take suspicion off of one of two players. For example, if tracker declares and it leads to the clear of even one of Lazer/Zen/Release/JieXian, we're in really really good shape. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
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Release
United States4397 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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Evulrabbitz
Sweden134 Posts
If he claims both me and him have a 50/50 chance to die. If he doesn't have to claim at all the medic can save me instead. On me faking this claim. I have already made a case for my innocence. I also believe my role claim is further proof for my innocence (if you want me to elaborate this please ask). Note: The tracker might also be a she so replace the "he"s for "she"s if necessary. | ||
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Evulrabbitz
Sweden134 Posts
In the event a mafia player does NOT use his role, he will be tracked to the kill target. The only threat to the credibility of the Trackers information is the Miller. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On July 07 2012 10:00 Release wrote: Fuck fuck fuck fuck. From what i see, the scum has to be Lazer and Jingle (maybe Harry) That wasn't the only time he accused me and Lazer of working together, either. He said it at least twice while we were going at it. And since a large portion of my case against Lazer was predicated on my misread of hopeless, I may dislike Lazer intensely, but I can't really still justify a case against him. But, given that Hopeless flipped red, and the case against lazer almost killed Lazer instead (Release had his vote on Lazer all of D1, longer than even me), Release looks fishy to me right now. Thoughts? | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On July 07 2012 15:19 Release wrote: Well i read the Jingle case and i can't disagree with it. But it makes me uncomfortable to feel that he is scum, because then YourHarry would be the other scum (those two had a little OMGUS battle and then suddenly reconciled, great way to clutter the thread), leaving no place for Lazer to be scum, which i still think is true. And mackin... Indecisive on Jingle case, points fingers at a bunch of players for zero justification, etc. | ||
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Evulrabbitz
Sweden134 Posts
But, where did that suspicion on me go? For a moment there, on page 10, there was suspicion on me and poof... It suddenly vanished? Maybe both of them went to sleep after they posted that, they sure left in a hurry This was regarding my case against Release early on. There was a lot going on, but I still find it odd that you didn't even attempt to defend yourself. caught up and evul has wasted a hell of a lot of time talking about circumstance/hypothetical scenarios about D1, despite the fact that we have passed day 1. He also tried the if this, then that bullshit. I don't really see what town motivation would cause this, but as a scum, it's trying to survive without an analytical basis. This is just plain false. Exactly that reasoning was a proof of my innocence (unless both me and Lazer are mafia, in which case my whole argumentation would fall). Now that we know both Lazer and I can't be mafia the "waste of time" you are talking about is solid proof I am innocent. | ||
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BassInSpace
Australia165 Posts
If anything made him look fishy to me, it's his willingness to jump on Lazer (again) based on what is obviously a typo (to put it in Release's own words against Lazer awhile ago, "grasping at straws"), and the vote switch to Jingle without much explanation at all. The post he made listing detective claims could also have been an attempt at making a useful post without actually being all that useful, but this could be stretching it too far. | ||
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Evulrabbitz
Sweden134 Posts
Being able to provide evidence of a player's alignment is townie play, regardless of the alignment proven. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Also, we should look at Lazer's case of The_Zen_Man and decide who's the more suspicious. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349066¤tpage=25#492 Bass's case against Mackin still stand as well. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
On July 08 2012 13:05 BassInSpace wrote: Regarding Release: If anything made him look fishy to me, it's his willingness to jump on Lazer (again) based on what is obviously a typo (to put it in Release's own words against Lazer awhile ago, "grasping at straws"), and the vote switch to Jingle without much explanation at all. The post he made listing detective claims could also have been an attempt at making a useful post without actually being all that useful, but this could be stretching it too far. I asked for clarification and he wasn't giving it. He just made that post so i assumed he would be online. Typos tend to get corrected instantly or very quickly. He took quite a while to respond. Leaving his post as it was made it extremely ambiguous as to the actual meaning of his post. And he also included an "all townies must agree with me" clause, which could be used as "evidence" against anyone because they can't agree two a contradictory statement. And i unvoted him ##unvote: Jinglehell in light of what recently happened. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
##Unvote: JingleHell | ||
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