Newbie Mini Mafia XX - Page 29

Tracked EvulRabbit, knew he was DT. Confirmed.

(Your seemed worried for no reason N1 >_>)

On July 08 2012 14:31 JieXian wrote:
About Mackin, I've a feeling that he's just a lazy townie.

His vote on YourHarry was probably because he jumped right to the last page and read my argument with Harry and just voted.

On July 07 2012 15:19 Release wrote:
Well i read the Jingle case and i can't disagree with it.

But it makes me uncomfortable to feel that he is scum, because then YourHarry would be the other scum (those two had a little OMGUS battle and then suddenly reconciled, great way to clutter the thread), leaving no place for Lazer to be scum, which i still think is true. And mackin...

On July 08 2012 14:51 Release wrote:
if there are no roleclaims, then take this with a grain of salt:
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 08 2012 15:10 BassInSpace wrote:



After having said you didn't feel that Jingle was scum:

On July 08 2012 15:17 Hapahauli wrote:


Release... this is just awful. No mafia in their right mind would ever claim blue int his situation (if they did, they're auto-dead next day). What's the point of even drawing suspicion at JieXian? There is none, and you've been doing nothing but pointing fingers the entire night cycle.

FOS: Release

On July 06 2012 00:00 Release wrote:

This is kind of interesting

You defend Lazer and try to downplay the importance of first posts (despite Lazer calling his own post bad).

Absolutely not. If his post caught traction, we would waste lots of time. Your post did catch traction, but we hardly wasted any significant amount of time. Something meaningless works better than what he did because we know it's not serious. You know it, i know it, he knows it, but he chose to choose something "significant."

TMG looks rather shit, but if his english actually sucks, then we have a serious problem.

Lurkers speak up now. I will lynch you if Lazer is not a serious contender.

On July 06 2012 23:58 Release wrote:
caught up; I think Meta is a horrible form of analysis. + Show Spoiler + But, ingoring the meta, the case on hope1 is still fairly good.

Since i should be back 15 minutes before the deadline, i'll leave my vote on Lazer for now.
One word: deceitful

and Jingle is pulling a half-grush, which i think is never good for town.

On July 07 2012 10:00 Release wrote:
Fuck fuck fuck fuck.

From what i see, the scum has to be Lazer and Jingle (maybe Harry)

On July 07 2012 10:13 Release wrote:
you two seem awfully pretentious and deceitful, but i didn't see that Hopeless hasn't posted shit since the acusation (probably scared of slipping.)

On July 07 2012 12:38 Release wrote:
@hapahauli

His first post, which is incredibly deceitful

His repeated bringing up of the fact that the sex toys discussion was worse than his first post, and that the sex toys was legitimately bad and scummy behavior.

On July 07 2012 15:19 Release wrote:
Well i read the Jingle case and i can't disagree with it.

But it makes me uncomfortable to feel that he is scum, because then YourHarry would be the other scum (those two had a little OMGUS battle and then suddenly reconciled, great way to clutter the thread), leaving no place for Lazer to be scum, which i still think is true. And mackin...

On July 08 2012 01:35 Release wrote:
caught up and evul has wasted a hell of a lot of time talking about circumstance/hypothetical scenarios about D1, despite the fact that we have passed day 1.

He also tried the if this, then that bullshit. I don't really see what town motivation would cause this, but as a scum, it's trying to survive without an analytical basis.

"meh, that post doesn't feel like a sufficient basis for an accusation" = defense because there was an accusation (I) and your saying there should be no accusation tells me to stop attacking him for that reason.

On July 08 2012 10:00 Release wrote:
I've caught up in this thread and have to say that i no longer believe Lazer to be scum.

so far, Hapa has been very good on fighting against scummy plays, making his analyses and i would hope that others follow suit. Especially jingle.

On July 08 2012 10:04 Release wrote:
very unlikely that the two remaining scum is among those who voted for me.

the remaining 2 scum is among:Release, JingleHell, JieXian, The_Zen_Man, Khorrus(replacement) and Mackin

These are 100% contradictory and mentally retarded. Correct me if i'm missing something but
you just said "no they're not" and "yes they are" in close succession

On July 08 2012 10:08 Release wrote:
lazer i just cleared, you and you post this. Explain yourself. This is total bullshit and you know it and as far as i'm concerned,

##vote: lazer

On July 08 2012 16:35 Hapahauli wrote:
My FOS on Release

A quick case on Release - I find his current gameplay very different from his typical town-aligned gameplay, which is well established from three newbie mafia games:
Newbie Mafia XIV
Newbie Mafia XVI
Newbie Mafia XVIII

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I'll give a brief overview of his playstyle in each game. I also highly recommend skimming through his past games to get a feel for his posting - it doesn't take much reading to realize how different he is as a townie. (all underlined words are hyperlinks for referencing).

Newbie Mafia XIV
On page 1 of his filter, you'll notice long posts that take clear stances on players early in the game. He never appears wishy-washy or unsure of himself. THIS POST sums up this game's town-alligned Release very well - forceful, looking to pick confrontations, and actively builds cases (even if this particular case was against the town doctor xD).

Newbie Mafia XVI
Release doesn't build any large cases in the early parts of this game, but is very forceful about his opinions. He locks on to one player (Grush) early on in the game and grills him relentlessly. However, he's very willing to change his vote multiple times at a whim. He's extremely reckless and not afraid to forcefully point fingers/generate discussion. Look at THIS POST for another example of forceful townie Release.

Newbie Mafia XVIII
Release gets killed by Mafia N1 here, so there's not much to go on. Do note that his tone is forceful throughout his filter, he never summaryposts, and never tries to out several people in a single post. His post count/activity here is much lower due to a busy schedule, something he mentions after death.

Release Townie Meta Summary
- Release always accuses 1 player at a time. He locks on to someone and grills them forcefully, actively seeking confrontation. He'll switch votes at whim if he sees other suspicious behavior.
- Release rarely, if ever, attacks cases on players he's not pursuing. Release really locks on to his cases and tries to build it.
- Release is always at the center of the controversy.
- Release is not afraid to defend himself against accusations.

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Release Day 1 Lynch

Release in this current game has been very different. Just take a look at some of these quotes:
One thing that I really fucked up in my case against JingleHell was not looking for Mafia motive. I had evidence of scummy play, but did not have a story and mafia-motive behind actions and behaviors. I will be clearly identifying motives in this analysis

First, Release calls JingleHell's post suspicious after defending him against Lazer in his previous post. In addition, he doesn't take any forceful opinions. Note he doesn't accuse Jingle ("This is kind of interesting"), and takes a very unclear stance on TMG26. Townie Release would have been throwing around votes based on past meta. Release is trying to spread suspicion against multiple players while pushing a bad case against LazerMonkey. The push in itself isn't bad, but spreading suspicions is pro-mafia.

Next, Release acknowledges my case on hopeless as "fairly good," then continues his vote for LazerMonkey for unclear reasons. This is consistent with a Release who wants to put himself in good standing with the author of a case against fellow mafia, but instead tries to push a townie lynch. Release is keeping his options open and remaining unclear - a mafia trait.

Release's post just before the D1 lynch. Pre-lynch panic, combined with outing THREE players in one post for unclear reasons. This is wildly inconsistent with Townie Jingle, and it is in mafia's best interest to spread baseless suspicion.

When its clear that Hopeless is going to hang, Release covers his bases before the D1 mod post. Note that he acknowledges a legitimate suspicion against Hopeless, yet does not change his vote. He also outs 3 players in this post again.

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Release: Night 1

You're going to see Release make a huge gear-switch after Hopeless1der gets lynched. He tries to further justify his suspicions against LazerMonkey for vague reasons (and ignores me the MULTIPLE TIMES I call him out for it). Instead, he tries to establish a friendly rapport with the town, while pointing fingers and generally not doing anything.

Release first addresses why he voted for Lazer. Look at the complete lack of reasoning. In my counter argument, I proved all of these false.

Despite still having HEAVY suspicions of Lazer, Release agrees with my case on Jingle then promptly outs YourHarry and Mackin for scummy behavior. His reasons are vague, unclear, and this is not the forceful Release in his townie meta. Release is trying to stirr up suspicions and create unrest.

Release outs two MORE players in his next post.

Release has a sudden change of heart against Lazer and jumps on the Jingle bandwagon (before Evul claimed DT and verified Jingle as townie). Release finds a better angle and jumps on the mislynch in an attempt to avoid suspicion

Summaryposting in an attempt to gain rapport with the town.

Sudden voteswitch to lazer for a single line after N1. This is an effort to create further confusion, knowing that JingleHell is on pace to be lynched.


Release spends the rest of the night (and the opening of D2) posting summary and one-liners.

In conclusion, Release's behavior this game is very different from his Town-alligned meta in a mafia-oriented way. Furthermore, clear and logical mafia motivations can be derived from all of his actions.

I highly suspect Release to be Mafia.