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On July 08 2012 19:35 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Just caught up to what has happened. This game seems to be pretty much over, as i don't think that 1 mafia can win against 9 town. Imo, mafia should give up.
I know i said that more would come on the monkey before, but im not sure it is necesary now. If people still wants it, i can write it, otherwise it would just be a waste of time. Loldude. So that much means you think I'm townie, ey? Because you avoided answering that question yesterday.
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On July 08 2012 19:43 Lazermonkey wrote:
YourHarry, I don't like the lynch into you. Imo we should just lynch into Release/Zen_Man/Mackin at this point. Sure, if one of them is medic, they will just claim. We will clear one more person, which is huge at this stage of the game where there are only . Yes, that means that he will get roleblocked and our DT/tracker will get shot at night but this will still narrow down the field for scum to hide in alot. And this is just the worst case scenario. Speaking pure numbers, we still have 50% chance for our medic not to be among those 3.
Alternativly, we could just no-lynch. This will either force the scum to have either go for DT/tracker while rb medic or go for medic while rb DT/tracker. In either case, we will get AT LEAST one more read. most likely more.
The medic will always be cleared, if not now, later. Medic claiming is so anti-town at this point. Medic will die, and tracker will be role-blocked. And we are OK as long as detective checks someone other than miller. But if he checks miller, there is a decent chance we might lose.
If medic does not claim, we have almost 0% chance of losing. I outlined all the strategies above, including detectives and tracker publicly announcing their planned targets.
Kill me. It's for the best.
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Though... The_zen_man asking for khorrous replacement..... makes me want to ignore everything and just lynch him immediately lol.
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On July 08 2012 19:53 YourHarry wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 19:43 Lazermonkey wrote:
YourHarry, I don't like the lynch into you. Imo we should just lynch into Release/Zen_Man/Mackin at this point. Sure, if one of them is medic, they will just claim. We will clear one more person, which is huge at this stage of the game where there are only . Yes, that means that he will get roleblocked and our DT/tracker will get shot at night but this will still narrow down the field for scum to hide in alot. And this is just the worst case scenario. Speaking pure numbers, we still have 50% chance for our medic not to be among those 3.
Alternativly, we could just no-lynch. This will either force the scum to have either go for DT/tracker while rb medic or go for medic while rb DT/tracker. In either case, we will get AT LEAST one more read. most likely more. The medic will always be cleared, if not now, later. Medic claiming is so anti-town at this point. Medic will die, and tracker will be role-blocked. And we are OK as long as detective checks someone other than miller. But if he checks miller, there is a decent chance we might lose. If medic does not claim, we have almost 0% chance of losing. I outlined all the strategies above, including detectives and tracker publicly announcing their planned targets. Kill me. It's for the best. Never said medic should claim just because. Medic should claim IF he is the one to be misslynched. Most people got a town read on you anyway, and if you don't want to lynch in order to avoid medic lynch, then you should just No-Lynch.
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Is no lynch a possibility? I would prefer that option, thought I thought voting was mandatory. We can all vote in non-bolded letters so they won't be counted 
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Hmm I assumed it would be possible but reading page one, that might not b
e possible...
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Yourharry, that would probably constitute cheating in some way, or result in mass modkills if Radfield feels like it since we are not allowed to abstain from voting. Also, you can't vote for yourself:
You may not vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game.
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OK. I didn't know that. Fail.
##Unvote
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BTW, I was kidding about voting unbolded. Sorry for the bad joke.
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I guess we could still vote you(or me for that matter) even if you can't vote yourself. But I don't think it's the best option.
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On July 08 2012 19:35 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Just caught up to what has happened. This game seems to be pretty much over, as i don't think that 1 mafia can win against 9 town. Imo, mafia should give up.
I know i said that more would come on the monkey before, but im not sure it is necesary now. If people still wants it, i can write it, otherwise it would just be a waste of time.
Why not?
Can Zen PM a mod to give up?
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Release, you really think Hapa would bus Hopeless at the very start of the game? I understand a bus on day 2 or day 3, but bussing at the very start when it's 3 v 10 and an open set up (town favoured) seems sub-optimal. Besides, I doubt Hopeless would agree to something like this. As much as mafia is meant to be a team game, I don't think Hopeless (or at least I wouldn't) would want to get bussed just for a team victory. He wouldn't be able to play for the rest of the game and would just be sitting on the sidelines. Btw Hapa and JieXian, he posted his little breadcrum before it was revealed Khorrus was the godfather. Even if the godfather is dead, his case doesn't become invalid just because he thought Hapa was the godfather. I just disagree with his case for reasons stated above.
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Zen, address the concerns people have raised with you. Right now all it looks like you're doing is dodging.
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On July 08 2012 20:38 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 19:35 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Just caught up to what has happened. This game seems to be pretty much over, as i don't think that 1 mafia can win against 9 town. Imo, mafia should give up.
I know i said that more would come on the monkey before, but im not sure it is necesary now. If people still wants it, i can write it, otherwise it would just be a waste of time. Why not? Can Zen PM a mod to give up?
Mafia may concede if they feel the situation is totally unwinnable for them.
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On July 08 2012 20:43 BassInSpace wrote:
Release, you really think Hapa would bus Hopeless at the very start of the game? I understand a bus on day 2 or day 3, but bussing at the very start when it's 3 v 10 and an open set up (town favoured) seems sub-optimal. Besides, I doubt Hopeless would agree to something like this. As much as mafia is meant to be a team game, I don't think Hopeless (or at least I wouldn't) would want to get bussed just for a team victory. He wouldn't be able to play for the rest of the game and would just be sitting on the sidelines. Btw Hapa and JieXian, he posted his little breadcrum before it was revealed Khorrus was the godfather. Even if the godfather is dead, his case doesn't become invalid just because he thought Hapa was the godfather. I just disagree with his case for reasons stated above.
Well Bass, if I was playing mafia, I wouldn't mind being bussed if it meant a win - I understand you don't get to analyze and post as much but a win is a win regardless. Maybe it is just brilliant strategy as everyone's convinced on Hapa's pro-town status?
If it did turn out Hapa was mafia it would be hilarious, because I can't see anyone wanting to lynch him the rest of the game. Fairly unlikely, but still possible.
I'm wondering what happens if its decided to lynch Zen/Release/me and we all flip green. I'm fairly sure the mafia would be sitting happy and in great shape for actually winning with the odds against (s)he...
Anyway I provided some defense earlier showing some pro-townie stuff I've said and some people have basically ignored it. Please read and comment appropriately.
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Mackin, does that mean that you have a town read on Release/Zen?
To Mackin, Zen and Release: if one of you is the medic, only claim if you are about to get misslynched. Do NOT claim earlier than ~5 hours before deadline.
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I will work on some reads I have and let you know at some point later Lazer. Hold me to that.
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And Mackin, I can only take your word that you were busy and simply threw your vote on YourHarry. You'll understand it if I say this doesn't clear you for me, although it makes you slightly less suspicious. The other issue I and others raised with you is that you have been indecisive on just about everything so far. Just look at this post of yours for example:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 08 2012 10:02 Mackin wrote:Ok guys so I know I stepped out of the loop for quite a while, but I'm gonna step in now before bed and give my opinions on some people before we get back into day. Evul has his case/claim now for being pro-town with his vote being important on the day 1 lynching. I don't see him as too suspicious so far. Zen_man I feel is pro town. Either that or he's good mafia. Don't know why he has such a strong hate against Lazer but I'm gonna look into Lazer in some more detail later. Lazer: I don't see anything from his posts that are particularly mafia so far. I really don't understand where people got off accusing him. I would like someone to point out the traits people see in him as mafia. Release: Literally no idea, from what he has posted I didn't learn much except for the fact he near toppled over back at end of D1 voting. It was so so good Hopeless was mafia because it said something about Release's read. YourHarry: My vote on him probably gave a lot of people a WTF type feeling. I just had some feeling that he was scum but since voting I'm not so sure. Hapa: Is being unbelievably good townie. I find it funny though because I've came up with some crazy theories on how he could be the Godfather who wanted to bus one of his men early to add confidence to his name, then acts and "is" pro town until the end where you discover he's really been the mastermind behind it all. I severely doubt this is the case though because he literally has provided really really good information and reads on each person, especially on Hopeless. It's easy to say now, but had I seen Hapa's post on why Hopeless had to go I would've switched votes... though I was unavailable at the time (which shouldn't be an issue anymore) Jingle: Scummy or not?Recently, if you look Jingle gets annoyingly defensive and suspicious every time he posted in response to grilling from Hapa. This could be for either two things - straight up scum or else genuine townie getting so annoyed. I don't know which way to take this but I'll say he's not on my townie list Bass: From what he has posted so far, I'm thinking he's town but meeeh... TMG: Meeh - I'll do one later Jie: Also do one later, but slightest scum vibes.
It pretty much tells us nothing about your reads on who is mafia. It just tells us who you "feel" is town, and who you're unsure of. You are still a candidate for mafia for me at the very least. I'l also be taking you up on your offer now to ask you questions. What do you think of the current cases? Who do you actually think could be mafia?
Now YourHarry, I don't like how you're playing with the numbers here and going through multiple scenarios. Randomly lynching can still lose us the game. It should be played out as it normally would: finding scummy behaviour and voting for it. Random lynching would just be lazy. JieXian is right, even if the odds may seem favourable, it's still gambling. There was no need to tell him to shut up though...
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Mackin, if you are referring to this post:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 08 2012 18:40 Mackin wrote:Hey guys, I'm claiming Vanilla Townie. I know I'm on a couple of people's suspicions list, but as JieXian said: Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 14:31 JieXian wrote:
About Mackin, I've a feeling that he's just a lazy townie.
His vote on YourHarry was probably because he jumped right to the last page and read my argument with Harry and just voted. He's right here. I was very short on time IRL and knew I had to get a vote down. I said early I was unavailable at the time but whatever. And whoever wants to ask me any questions, feel free. I have nothing to hide. Also glad to see Jingle cleared as if you check my earlier posts, I can't see anything I've said to overly mislead anyone. If you look at one of my larger blocks of text: Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 08:42 Mackin wrote:
@Hapa:
Your case on Hopeless1der:
I don't know what to think here. It's like Hopeless is really trying to build a case against you, he builds up quite alot in the first post and when you make your stance clear in your response, his response is to back down immediately. Maybe he just wanted to question you and test the water a bit? I don't think he's trying to genuinely full on attack and point the FoS here. I don't know why he starts going on about Release, if I was thinking more suspiciously of him, he maybe just wanted the conversation to change quickly and forget about building a case on you.
I totally made a logical reason for why he posted talking about Release. I said that if he was scum, he was probably trying to distract from the case against him, and that proved correct no? In my opinion, I can't see any real just case against me, though feel free to bring it people.
That doesn't count. Yes, it's an analysis. But let's have a closer look at the bolded sections. You have the benefit of hindsight now in saying that you were right about Hopeless. At the time of making that post, you weren't sure about anything. You didn't even commit to anything. If Hopeless had flipped green, you could just argue and say "oh, look I was right, he really WAS just testing the waters".
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EBWOP:
The above post is in reply to Mackin's latest post here:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 08 2012 21:07 Mackin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 20:43 BassInSpace wrote:
Release, you really think Hapa would bus Hopeless at the very start of the game? I understand a bus on day 2 or day 3, but bussing at the very start when it's 3 v 10 and an open set up (town favoured) seems sub-optimal. Besides, I doubt Hopeless would agree to something like this. As much as mafia is meant to be a team game, I don't think Hopeless (or at least I wouldn't) would want to get bussed just for a team victory. He wouldn't be able to play for the rest of the game and would just be sitting on the sidelines. Btw Hapa and JieXian, he posted his little breadcrum before it was revealed Khorrus was the godfather. Even if the godfather is dead, his case doesn't become invalid just because he thought Hapa was the godfather. I just disagree with his case for reasons stated above. Well Bass, if I was playing mafia, I wouldn't mind being bussed if it meant a win - I understand you don't get to analyze and post as much but a win is a win regardless. Maybe it is just brilliant strategy as everyone's convinced on Hapa's pro-town status? If it did turn out Hapa was mafia it would be hilarious, because I can't see anyone wanting to lynch him the rest of the game. Fairly unlikely, but still possible. I'm wondering what happens if its decided to lynch Zen/Release/me and we all flip green. I'm fairly sure the mafia would be sitting happy and in great shape for actually winning with the odds against (s)he... Anyway I provided some defense earlier showing some pro-townie stuff I've said and some people have basically ignored it. Please read and comment appropriately.
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