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kingdedede
Kazakhstan80 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On July 03 2012 04:05 HomerunBat wrote: I would say that stock for mafia is more valuable as they have less in total compared to town. That's my gut reaction at first too, but then if you think about it once mafia guys are "found out" we're going to be throwing everything we have at them to kill them. This means they will die fast anyways. A lower total stock pool only hurts town. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
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kingdedede
Kazakhstan80 Posts
On July 03 2012 04:05 HomerunBat wrote: I would say that stock for mafia is more valuable as they have less in total compared to town. We also lose more total stock if we all get hit by a tornado together. I'm not sure how stock is balanced, but if you look at it purely from ratios, then currently stock is 3:1 in our favour and that stays exactly the same if we all get hit by a tornado together (18:6 vs 15:5). | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
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kingdedede
Kazakhstan80 Posts
On July 03 2012 04:09 iGrok wrote: It's all about how difficult it is to lynch them. There are a lot of things that are -1kp in this game. Cutting everyone down from 3 to 2.5 is very nice for us because then it only takes 2 actions to kill them instead of 3 (or two lynches) Ah, that makes a lot more sense. It's all about the vig shots. While scum kp is also 1, the chance of scum shooting someone who just got lynched is pretty small: why would they bother shooting someone who got lynched (aka: looks scummy)? However, it allows us to vig shoot someone who was lynched and not waste 2 lynches on it. Bringing down everybody's stock sounds like a good idea. | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
____________ random hypothesis: toad picked alignments after character select so that he could guarantee a balanced game (aka he did not do it randomly). otherwise I don't see why we picked characters first and couldn't talk and all that which was half the fun (and half the information) in pick your power. Therefore I hypothesize that cephiro and mister saturn are not both mafia, because that sounds kind of broken. The other possible configurations sound reasonable though. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On July 03 2012 04:15 kingdedede wrote: Ah, that makes a lot more sense. It's all about the vig shots. While scum kp is also 1, the chance of scum shooting someone who just got lynched is pretty small: why would they bother shooting someone who got lynched (aka: looks scummy)? However, it allows us to vig shoot someone who was lynched and not waste 2 lynches on it. Bringing down everybody's stock sounds like a good idea. How can you be agreeing with this? iGrok you've hosted this before I feel like your giant cred post at the very beginning was an attempt to make everyone confirm you as town right off the bat, but as someone coming in late to the party I think your behavior is very scummy and I don't think someone who knew how this game worked would suggest your plan. We should be minimizing town stock loss. What do you mean "if the scum don't follow us it's clear who they are". Yeah no shit, this plan works out perfect for them why wouldn't "they" follow it. The more I think about it the more I KNOW you wouldn't post some stupid idea like this as town. Add to this your removal of two people from the item position list? What the heck man. All you've done by removing two people from the item list is make it so mafia has a better chance of getting an item. Want to minimize mafia chance of item while maximizing town chance so we're not double stacking? Then have us go down the list in numerical order and say that's left, bottom left, center, etc. Same for left, center, right on the position discussion. I'm going to be voting iGrok for lynch at this point. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
On July 03 2012 04:25 talismania wrote: bah I wanted to stand in the middle :-( ____________ random hypothesis: toad picked alignments after character select so that he could guarantee a balanced game (aka he did not do it randomly). otherwise I don't see why we picked characters first and couldn't talk and all that which was half the fun (and half the information) in pick your power. Therefore I hypothesize that cephiro and mister saturn are not both mafia, because that sounds kind of broken. The other possible configurations sound reasonable though. I can confirm that your hypothesis is correct because thats how you run SSB64 | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On July 03 2012 04:30 iGrok wrote: Risen i don't care who you vote for as long as you stand in the right place. And where do I stand for items, overlord? | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
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kingdedede
Kazakhstan80 Posts
On July 03 2012 04:26 Risen wrote: How can you be agreeing with this? iGrok you've hosted this before I feel like your giant cred post at the very beginning was an attempt to make everyone confirm you as town right off the bat, but as someone coming in late to the party I think your behavior is very scummy and I don't think someone who knew how this game worked would suggest your plan. We should be minimizing town stock loss. As I said earlier: from a pure math point of view, it makes no difference. Whether town outnumbers scum 18:6 in total stock or 15:5 is irrelevant, it's both a 3:1 advantage for us. What do you mean "if the scum don't follow us it's clear who they are". Yeah no shit, this plan works out perfect for them why wouldn't "they" follow it. The more I think about it the more I KNOW you wouldn't post some stupid idea like this as town. Add to this your removal of two people from the item position list? What the heck man. All you've done by removing two people from the item list is make it so mafia has a better chance of getting an item. Want to minimize mafia chance of item while maximizing town chance so we're not double stacking? Then have us go down the list in numerical order and say that's left, bottom left, center, etc. Same for left, center, right on the position discussion. I'm going to be voting iGrok for lynch at this point. That was also proposed. I'm not sold on the item idea, but in the end why do you think randomizing it is better than iGrok deciding? I have no read on iGrok yet, but this gives us some information. Hell, it has given us information already, like that you are vehemently opposed to being benched. It also allows us to ask questions like iGrok: why are you benching Risen? iGrok: why is Risen getting benched for an item? | ||
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kingdedede
Kazakhstan80 Posts
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On July 03 2012 04:06 Risen wrote: That's my gut reaction at first too, but then if you think about it once mafia guys are "found out" we're going to be throwing everything we have at them to kill them. This means they will die fast anyways. A lower total stock pool only hurts town. This is bad logic... Mafia don't just announce themselves and then we kill them whenever we feel like it lol. We don't know who is mafia until they flip. There's also a 2/3 chance that no one takes any damage at all. Not to mention the fact that the worst case scenario is not that everyone gets hit; the worst case scenario is that only town gets hit. And that's something that cannot happen if we do this. | ||
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Mister Saturn
Vatican City State155 Posts
On July 03 2012 04:06 Risen wrote: That's my gut reaction at first too, but then if you think about it once mafia guys are "found out" we're going to be throwing everything we have at them to kill them. This means they will die fast anyways. A lower total stock pool only hurts town. This is bad logic... Mafia don't just announce themselves and then we kill them whenever we feel like it lol. We don't know who is mafia until they flip. There's also a 2/3 chance that no one takes any damage at all. Not to mention the fact that the worst case scenario is not that everyone gets hit; the worst case scenario is that only town gets hit. And that's something that cannot happen if we do this. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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