SSB-64 Mafia - Page 55

[05/07/2012 14:51:23] Andrew Koster: new scumQT
[05/07/2012 14:51:40] Cephiro TL Mafia: Hehe works for me!
[05/07/2012 14:51:45] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: haha
[05/07/2012 14:51:54] Andrew Koster: still reading the thread
[05/07/2012 14:52:09] Andrew Koster: dealing with risen has to be done carefully
[05/07/2012 14:52:12] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: http://i.imgur.com/qGTYJ.png
[05/07/2012 14:52:16] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: that's how we deal with risen
[05/07/2012 14:52:27] Andrew Koster: i can't believe that that is two games with risen and twice he has figured me out
[05/07/2012 14:52:37] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: well
[05/07/2012 14:52:39] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: it's not like he's certain
[05/07/2012 14:52:40] Andrew Koster: while the rest of the game had me as town
[05/07/2012 14:52:56] Cephiro TL Mafia: Yeah, gotta give some credit, but in all honesty, he has blamed EVERYONE of being scum now
[05/07/2012 14:52:56] Cephiro TL Mafia: Literally
[05/07/2012 14:53:01] Cephiro TL Mafia: But himself*
[05/07/2012 14:53:20] Andrew Koster: i mean.. .in GoT people were so convinced I was town, that after he got a red check the vote was unanimous on him
[05/07/2012 14:54:17] Andrew Koster: if he learned to control his rage and angst i think he'd be a really good player
[05/07/2012 14:54:24] Andrew Koster: but he always gets lynched by town
[05/07/2012 14:54:38] Cephiro TL Mafia: Looks like it.
[05/07/2012 14:54:47] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: yeah, it's a shame though
[05/07/2012 14:54:50] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: we were pretty much confirmed town
[05/07/2012 14:54:55] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: without Risen interfering
[05/07/2012 14:55:09] Cephiro TL Mafia: Yep. But seriously, if I was a townie I'd lynch him
[05/07/2012 14:55:16] Cephiro TL Mafia: He hasn't done anything really townie-like
[05/07/2012 14:55:21] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: all we have to do
[05/07/2012 14:55:23] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: is get iGrok lynched
[05/07/2012 14:55:26] Cephiro TL Mafia: No
[05/07/2012 14:55:26] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: or killed
[05/07/2012 14:55:30] Cephiro TL Mafia: grush = lynch
[05/07/2012 14:55:32] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: and then we just follow his 'plan'
[05/07/2012 14:55:36] Cephiro TL Mafia: Risen -> push
[05/07/2012 14:55:36] Andrew Koster: yeah
[05/07/2012 14:55:38] Cephiro TL Mafia: = igrok dies
[05/07/2012 14:55:41] Andrew Koster: i like igrok's plan a lot
[05/07/2012 14:55:45] Cephiro TL Mafia: Then we are -3 townies
[05/07/2012 14:55:56] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: and risen and igrok have conflicting reads
[05/07/2012 14:55:59] Andrew Koster: and both donkeys are dead
[05/07/2012 14:56:03] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: we can push for igrok's plan
[05/07/2012 14:56:08] Cephiro TL Mafia: then we can shoot+kp = 2.5 stock power at night, unless we screw it up really hard, we win N2
[05/07/2012 14:56:16] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: gotta hope for some resistance
[05/07/2012 14:56:26] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: we can't really resist it ourselves
[05/07/2012 14:56:28] Andrew Koster: the question is: what is HRB?
[05/07/2012 14:56:28] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: since we both got outed
[05/07/2012 14:56:32] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: by Risen as scum
[05/07/2012 14:56:37] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: so we can't really push for his plan
[05/07/2012 14:56:50] Andrew Koster: and what power did tali eat?
[05/07/2012 14:56:55] Cephiro TL Mafia: Well if you were a town, you wouldn't push for his plan either
[05/07/2012 14:56:56] Cephiro TL Mafia:
[05/07/2012 14:57:06] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: true
[05/07/2012 14:57:06] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia:
[05/07/2012 14:57:08] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: but my point is
[05/07/2012 14:57:18] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: there would be people pushing for his plan if he was wrong
[05/07/2012 14:57:26] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: (e.g. scum)
[05/07/2012 14:58:03] Cephiro TL Mafia: Ah yeah.
[05/07/2012 14:58:14] Cephiro TL Mafia: Sheesh why can't Risen just shut up Q_Q
[05/07/2012 14:58:24] Cephiro TL Mafia: He pretty much nailed it in his last post.
[05/07/2012 14:58:46] Cephiro TL Mafia: Remember to send in your itemgrab action too
[05/07/2012 14:58:51] Cephiro TL Mafia: I posted it somewhere
[05/07/2012 14:59:47] Cephiro TL Mafia: I got a great idea. I'll go in the thread and suggest a dedede+iGrok scumteam (Sarcastically, but so that it looks slightly serious)
[05/07/2012 15:00:14] Cephiro TL Mafia: They thought they'll shoot me and save me since I was "buddying" with you both since the start
[05/07/2012 15:00:22] Cephiro TL Mafia: So they'll get one brain-hypnotized townie on their side
[05/07/2012 15:00:46] Cephiro TL Mafia: And since Risen was pushing for iGrok
[05/07/2012 15:01:05] Cephiro TL Mafia: you thought it would be a good idea to bus to risen
[05/07/2012 15:01:07] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: won't it look like a desparation distancing tactic though?
[05/07/2012 15:01:14] Cephiro TL Mafia: since he was getting on your heels
[05/07/2012 15:01:28] Cephiro TL Mafia: I think I'll post that but in manner like this:
[05/07/2012 15:01:53] Andrew Koster: no no no, don't post that
[05/07/2012 15:02:11] Cephiro TL Mafia: "Seriously, Occam's Razor. Or does this sound very likely to you: *Explains dedede+iGrok scumteam because they wanted to buddy me, so they shot me and bussed the shot to Risen, since he was opposing them*
[05/07/2012 15:02:31] Andrew Koster: don't add any wifom at all
[05/07/2012 15:02:39] Andrew Koster: just let the stupid townies fight it out
[05/07/2012 15:03:24] Cephiro TL Mafia: I'll probably post it. Discredits him further
[05/07/2012 15:03:25] Andrew Koster: why discredit a theory nobody believes
[05/07/2012 15:03:33] Cephiro TL Mafia: Yeah, that's why I'm waiting
[05/07/2012 15:03:34] Cephiro TL Mafia: For now
[05/07/2012 15:03:34] Andrew Koster: that is scummy
[05/07/2012 15:03:47] Andrew Koster: it's paranoid
[05/07/2012 15:03:51] Cephiro TL Mafia: But if people start to believe it, I'll throw that in with some "I can't believe you guys are falling for that"
[05/07/2012 15:03:55] Andrew Koster: you've dismissed it as nonsense
[05/07/2012 15:03:59] Cephiro TL Mafia: But for now I'll shush
[05/07/2012 15:04:00] Andrew Koster: that's all
[05/07/2012 15:05:59] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: I'm thinking of asking if he has anything better then wifom and tin foil hat theories
[05/07/2012 15:06:04] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: and have some actual arguments I can respond to
[05/07/2012 15:06:17] Cephiro TL Mafia: I'm sure you can do a proper post.
[05/07/2012 15:06:37] Cephiro TL Mafia: But just so you know I very well may at some point show my "possible supermegascumplan"-theory
[05/07/2012 15:06:56] Cephiro TL Mafia: And then ask everyone "Yeah, go figure. How likely is it that iGrok+dedede are the scumteam?"
[05/07/2012 15:07:23] Cephiro TL Mafia: Risen going so aggressive :D
[05/07/2012 15:07:25] Cephiro TL Mafia: Poor guy
[05/07/2012 15:09:24] Cephiro TL Mafia: + Usually the most wicked takeoverplans are made by scum, so I could easily discredit him by saying if he really were a townie, why would you push something that is nigh impossible so hard, looks to me that you're just a scum trying to come up with some insane reasoning to survive.
[05/07/2012 15:10:10] Cephiro TL Mafia: Oh yeah but if igrok dies
[05/07/2012 15:10:12] Cephiro TL Mafia: It'll look bad
[05/07/2012 15:10:14] Cephiro TL Mafia: So no
[05/07/2012 15:11:09] Andrew Koster: Want to post:

Come cuddle me, Risen. I like your theory. It makes sense. It just has one major flaw: I'm town. So take off your tinfoil hat and start helping town by finding actual scum, instead of conspiracy theories.
[05/07/2012 15:11:32] Cephiro TL Mafia: Up to you. ^^ Might wanna use that picture
[05/07/2012 15:11:59] Andrew Koster: that only works in an angry post
[05/07/2012 15:12:21] Andrew Koster: i think the tinfoil hat picture comes later when he continues to go apeshit
[05/07/2012 15:12:34] Cephiro TL Mafia: Mkay. Haha
[05/07/2012 15:19:51] Cephiro TL Mafia: Yep, looks like we won't even need to defend ourselves. :D
[05/07/2012 15:22:25] Andrew Koster: i still like our original "look as frigging townie as possible plan" so extending the post a bit:
[05/07/2012 15:22:35] Andrew Koster: Come cuddle me, Risen. I like your theory. It makes sense. It just has one major flaw: I'm town. So take off your tinfoil hat and start helping town by finding actual scum, instead of conspiracy theories.

As for who to push, I'm not sure on Risen. I just really don't see how a scummy Risen would go so batshit insane against everybody. It draws a giant amount of attention for no reason. I don't see why he would push his reads so aggressively against the one person everybody has marked as town.

I am going to reevaluate how iGrok's plan makes sense if he's scum. I mean, the second he flips scum we ignore the rest of his plan, so unless his partner in crime has concocted up some wild plan for how to win the game alone, I'm going with iGrok being town as well.

Pushing two townies to death sounds like a pretty bad idea atm. Gonna talk to Artanis about what to do
[05/07/2012 15:25:25] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: hm
[05/07/2012 15:25:27] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: but then who do we push
[05/07/2012 15:25:28] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: lol
[05/07/2012 15:25:43] Andrew Koster: then igrok says "push risen anyway, doesn't matter if we're both town"
[05/07/2012 15:25:51] Andrew Koster: and we say "hmmm, fine I guess" /shove
[05/07/2012 15:25:56] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: meh
[05/07/2012 15:25:57] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: looks weak
[05/07/2012 15:26:00] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: when we just pushed against him
[05/07/2012 15:26:08] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: I don't think we can make that switch after that post
[05/07/2012 15:26:09] Andrew Koster: but he DIES
[05/07/2012 15:26:40] Andrew Koster: ok, then we push tali
[05/07/2012 15:26:46] Andrew Koster: or say we do
[05/07/2012 15:26:53] Cephiro TL Mafia: You should push Risen :x
[05/07/2012 15:26:54] Andrew Koster: and push risen anyway
[05/07/2012 15:26:54] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: how about we're just not certain who to push attm
[05/07/2012 15:27:11] Andrew Koster: well, that's what i'm saying isn't it
[05/07/2012 15:27:14] Cephiro TL Mafia: I mean, you can't really push for iGrok at the moment even if you tried
[05/07/2012 15:27:19] Cephiro TL Mafia: I kinda lost myself half in that
[05/07/2012 15:27:20] Cephiro TL Mafia: :D
[05/07/2012 15:28:01] Cephiro TL Mafia: "Push Risen. Kill us both. Then lynch grush." Let us fullfill his wish!
[05/07/2012 15:28:41] Andrew Koster: I'll say this
[05/07/2012 15:28:42] Andrew Koster: I'll ask Artanis what he thinks.
[05/07/2012 15:28:53] Cephiro TL Mafia: Whatever works!
[05/07/2012 15:28:55] Andrew Koster: and then later we can come back and say artanis thought risen was scum
[05/07/2012 15:29:04] Andrew Koster: hydra power!!!
[05/07/2012 15:29:52] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: what Artanis thinks is that it's too hot outside
[05/07/2012 15:29:53] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia:
[05/07/2012 15:30:00] Cephiro TL Mafia: LOL point that out
[05/07/2012 15:30:03] Cephiro TL Mafia: Risen just outright lied
[05/07/2012 15:30:11] Cephiro TL Mafia: How could he be carrying me
[05/07/2012 15:30:19] Cephiro TL Mafia: Since iGrok got hit during the night
[05/07/2012 15:30:36] Andrew Koster: he's misunderstanding his role
[05/07/2012 15:30:38] Andrew Koster: that's not a lie
[05/07/2012 15:30:40] Andrew Koster: it's a derp
[05/07/2012 15:30:53] Cephiro TL Mafia: :< But I want to point it out as a blatant lie
[05/07/2012 15:31:24] Cephiro TL Mafia: ... Okay I can't control myself so
[05/07/2012 15:31:35] Cephiro TL Mafia: Will you allow me to make a calm post about how that is impossible
[05/07/2012 15:31:44] Cephiro TL Mafia: DONKEYKONG YOU ARE DONKEYKONG! YOU CAN CARRY SOMEONE ON YOUR BACK! IF YOU LOSE STOCK, THEY WILL TOO! YOU MAY CHOOSE A TARGET AT THE START OF THE GAME AND CHANGE EVERY NIGHT!
YOUR ABILITY DOESN'T TRIGGER WHEN BEING HIT BY A DK-ABILITY
CHANGING YOUR TARGET AT NIGHT ALREADY CHANGES IT FOR THAT NIGHT CONSIDERING YOUR DAMAGE DONE
[05/07/2012 15:31:46] Cephiro TL Mafia: I'll just quote that
[05/07/2012 15:31:48] Cephiro TL Mafia: And point out it's impossible
[05/07/2012 15:31:51] Cephiro TL Mafia: Nothing else
[05/07/2012 15:32:07] Andrew Koster: why antagonize him
[05/07/2012 15:32:21] Andrew Koster: in fact, why go near a rabid dog at all?
[05/07/2012 15:32:48] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: just ask yourself
[05/07/2012 15:32:50] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: what would you do as town
[05/07/2012 15:33:08] Andrew Koster: what artanis said
[05/07/2012 15:35:09] Cephiro TL Mafia: As town I would calmly point out why that's impossible
[05/07/2012 15:35:10] Cephiro TL Mafia: I think
[05/07/2012 15:35:12] Cephiro TL Mafia:
[05/07/2012 15:35:22] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: just first stop
[05/07/2012 15:35:24] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: say to yourself
[05/07/2012 15:35:24] Andrew Koster: also if that guy is OMGUSing you?
[05/07/2012 15:35:27] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: "I'm town"
[05/07/2012 15:35:28] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: 10 times
[05/07/2012 15:35:32] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: then think about it again
[05/07/2012 15:35:48] Cephiro TL Mafia: Gaah fine I'll not post for now ._.
[05/07/2012 15:35:54] Cephiro TL Mafia: But I'm sure it wouldn't make me look worse
[05/07/2012 15:37:27] Andrew Koster: you see, igrok already took care of it
[05/07/2012 15:37:31] Cephiro TL Mafia: Lol DK would be super imba if they could change whenever they wanted
[05/07/2012 15:37:37] Cephiro TL Mafia: Yeah. But I wanted to! *Attentionwhores*
[05/07/2012 15:37:39] Cephiro TL Mafia:
[05/07/2012 15:37:50] Cephiro TL Mafia: I guess I'll just get back to posting in 3-4 hours, closer to the deadline anyway
[05/07/2012 15:42:47] Cephiro TL Mafia: Yeah. I'll do that
[05/07/2012 15:42:53] Cephiro TL Mafia: Might not respond here in a while
[05/07/2012 16:22:50] Cephiro TL Mafia: Back
[05/07/2012 16:22:50] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: I don't want Risen to flip
[05/07/2012 16:22:56] Cephiro TL Mafia: I suppose I'll agree with iGrok
[05/07/2012 16:23:07] Cephiro TL Mafia: I mean, his shoot Saturn
[05/07/2012 16:23:12] Cephiro TL Mafia: But questionably
[05/07/2012 16:23:36] Cephiro TL Mafia: But I want Risen to flip! :D
[05/07/2012 16:23:53] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: can't we like
[05/07/2012 16:23:59] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: both give a stack away
[05/07/2012 16:24:01] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia: to make Risen flip scum
[05/07/2012 16:24:02] Artanis[Xp] TL Mafia:
[05/07/2012 16:24:15] Andrew Koster: lol
[05/07/2012 16:24:15] Cephiro TL Mafia: Yeah. :x That'd be fun
[05/07/2012 16:24:31] Cephiro TL Mafia: But we'll just go with iGroks plan
[05/07/2012 16:24:33] Cephiro TL Mafia: and we win