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On July 03 2012 01:15 ShiaoPi wrote:
Thinking about the whole random damage stuff, I guess there really is no way to avoid the damage. But I would suggest all piling up in one spot, so if one gets damage all get it. It would add more transparency to the whole thing and we can easily make out if someone tries to avoid it.
If you don't like that idea, I am also open to the spread I guess. With more than 1 person in each zone, at least we can confirm if somebody dodged the zone if he did not get damage when the other one did.
Given toads reluctance to allow randomizer, we should probably get along with the plan iGrok laid out. At least it is a way to make item distribution more transparent.
goddamn :S
-Shiao
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On July 02 2012 17:53 kingdedede wrote:
Hi fellow Nintendo-citizens!
We are Yoshi! We talked it over and it seemed best to just come straight out and roleclaim, because bus drivers can be pretty damned destructive and chaotic if used badly. However, they can also be awesome. We will use it as an interesting twisted medic, meaning we will drive from someone we read as town to someone we read as scum! This obviously works better when scum doesn't know beforehand who is being protected and targeted, so we won't announce our actions beforehand, but after the night is over we will say exactly what we did, and why.
We feel a mass claim would be a pretty good idea now in any case. That way scum roleblockers can't hide (or can be caught if scum lies about their role/target) and everybody can be held accountable for their actions.
More advantages of mass claim: it makes it so that if there's a Mario we can have them be randomized separately, then randomize everybody else: sucks if you get stuck with a Mario, but at least you don't take damage AND lose the item as you would using Hiro's completely random generation (which I think is a good idea). Ensures optimal item distribution and minimizes random damage!
/Artanis and Acro
Just to be clear - yoshi was your first choice?
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Also I will plug my idea one more time since it got smushed between two mod-posts: two people sit out until six people are left (w/ regard to the item thing). We rotate who sits out. I'm sitting out today, still need one more. Then everyone else can have their own area.
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Hiyah everyone! Here's for a fun themed game!
First of all, as it has already been revealed, I am indeed Samus. (First pick, was second in Draft. - So much for your meta iGrok! :p)
I will be using my shot as the majority wants to, unless I feel you're about to do something totally retarded, or that scum manipulating the shot is likely (whether it's by gaining control of discussion or having a busdriver/roleblocker/medic). So as long as I'm alive, you can count + 1.5 KP for town from me. If at some point I feel shooting is a bad idea and there are others whom agree with me, I will refrain from shooting. (The last thing we want is to lose the game by killing all of town with our own KP.)
I think roleclaims should be reduced to a minimum, as we don't want the scum to gain any additional information (Possible roleblocks, medics, vigs, etc.). The only exception being Mario, if we decide to go with the "Possible Mario's claim and try to gain the item" -plan. In that case I hope that whatever item they will be gaining, if they are not transparent of it's usage, they should get lynched.
I would like to go for the item since I know that I am town, and if I decide to sit out as Town, it increases the possibility of scum gaining the item. I am willing to sit out with talismania if the majority wants to though.
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EBWOP: About stage position choice (today, due to tornadoes <3), I'm open for suggestions. I'm personally somewhat in favour of a 4-4 split on two of the three spots, and deciding on the split together.
We could either go for a full split, forcing all the suspicious players into the same bunch, or go with a more even split (2 seemingly town, 2 slightly suspicious), to try and ensure some kp on the more suspicious players. If someone would do against the majority's wishes without a valid reasoning, they could be lynched or shot.
The average KP we take from the stage event is 1.33, but it can range from 0 to 4.
Basically, the less we split, the higher the chance of an extreme is. (By this I mean that we could end up taking either nothing at all, or a ton of KP.)
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Oh, ceph, you cheeky bastard.
I think my idea of having players choose other's zones would be best. We can gai na lot of info based on who they pair/decide to sit out.
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On July 03 2012 02:26 iGrok wrote:
Oh, ceph, you cheeky bastard.
I think my idea of having players choose other's zones would be best. We can gai na lot of info based on who they pair/decide to sit out.
I do agree that can gain some good information if I understood you correctly.
So what you're suggesting is that we move down this list (Player list, or do you mean another randomly generated one?):
1) Igrok
2) Cephiro
3) Mister Saturn (HiroPro + strongandbig)
4) grush57
5) talismania
6) kingdedede (Artanis[Xp] + Acrofales)
7) HomerunBat (ShiaoPi + s0Lstice)
8) Risen
And then taking turns everyone gets to decide whom goes where, and others should do as told or risk getting punished?
Please clarify how you mean to go about it.
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On July 03 2012 02:26 iGrok wrote:
Oh, ceph, you cheeky bastard.
I think my idea of having players choose other's zones would be best. We can gai na lot of info based on who they pair/decide to sit out.
Oh, that was about STAGE position. That makes a lot more sense then. I like this plan! Have to do it fast.
Also, yes, Yoshi was our first choice.
I didn't know we could actually sit out an item choice, can we actually do that without taking damage?
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Idea was a random list but since we cant use randoms that list is fine. Starts with my strongest Town read and follows with the two people I'm most interested in seeing their decisions.
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/sigh... this signing is hard. That was Acro speaking. In fact, I reckon you can assume it's me if it's not signed. I tend to discuss things with Artanis, though.
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yeah you can sit out the item part without getting damage, toad just said so (and it says so in the op).
I don't particularly understand this pick for other people thing... I think I'm just going to stand in the middle if that's cool with everyone.
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On July 03 2012 00:28 Toadesstern wrote:
ALSO A REMINDER
WE NEED INFORMATION ON STAGE EVENTS AND ITEM PLACES BY THE END OF 22:30 GMT (+00:00).
IF YOU DON'T SEND IN STAGE EVENT INFORMATION YOU WILL GET HIT BY A TORNADO NO MATTER WHAT.
IF YOU DON'T SEND IN ITEM INFORMATION YOU WON'T GET A CHANCE TO GET AN ITEM BUT ALSO WON'T GET HIT IF SOMEONE ELSE IS IN THE SAME PLACE, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO SEND THAT IN
^ reply to kingdedede
So yes, I take the way Toad puts it that we can decide to not go for an item, but if you decide to "Skip" the stage event, you get punished. (And in this stage that means an automatic tornado hit, causing a -0.5 KP loss.)
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Vatican City State155 Posts
Oh, I didn't realize you wanted the people picking others to be only for the stage spots; I thought you were responding to my item idea. I'm fine with people picking stage choices for others. How do you intend to do it? Three people picking, each of them in a different spot, with each person picking 2 people to go in the other 2 slots? Well last person only picks 1, I guess.
There is something that I don't get here. iGrok was the very last person in the role picking order. If I was in that position I would have listed four characters, with the first couple being ones that I thought might already be taken. I would think that since iGrok was concerned about what roles are in the game, he would have done a similar thing. But iGrok hasn't said anything like that.... Did you really get your first pick, iGrok?
- Hiro
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On July 03 2012 02:37 talismania wrote:
yeah you can sit out the item part without getting damage, toad just said so (and it says so in the op).
I don't particularly understand this pick for other people thing... I think I'm just going to stand in the middle if that's cool with everyone.
Think of it as a complex voting. Whomever picks whatever does it for a reason (most likely, although there is a small possibility that someone would go totally random about it.). However, mafia is more likely to think their decision through. If they decide to go for "optimal" play, it is much more likely that they are able to be linked to each other. So it's very much about risk/reward balancing for mafia, as if they try to go for optimal mafia play, they are more likely to get caught, but if they try to play it safe, they also won't most likely gain as good results.
And not only do we gain information whom whoever is deciding, but if there are persons that disagree / do not follow the plan, we will hear their thoughts on why they do not agree, or then just straight up punish them for it. I like iGrok's idea tbh.
How I see it as a TL;DR version: More actions from players = More information to go by from.
I'm fine with iGrok deciding everyone's position on the board today. (Better let me hug a tornado if we end up deciding this! ♥)
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@Ceph: You got it ♥
@Saturn, yes, I did get my first pick.
iGrok's Clarification
Every time theres a stage, one person (the "King") picks the locations for each individual person.
The "King" changes each time, going to the next person on the list.
Is it really that difficult?
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Ok, that seems alright to me.
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Vatican City State155 Posts
Ok, that seems alright to me.
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and this is for stage event position or item position? In any event I'm still just going to stand in the middle and skip going for an item.
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We're willing to sit out for the item as well if neccesary.
/Artanis+Acro
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On July 03 2012 03:26 talismania wrote:
and this is for stage event position or item position? In any event I'm still just going to stand in the middle and skip going for an item.
iGrok's Clarification
Every time theres a stage, one person (the "King") picks the locations for each individual person.
The "King" changes each time, going to the next person on the list.
Is it really that difficult?
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